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My Giants - Eagles Breakdown (it is long, but has diagrams)

AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 3:52 pm
Here is my Giants- Eagles Breakdown. It took me a while creating this. Hope you guys enjoy this. It took me from after the game sunday to last night to complete this.



Link to the PDF version for easier reading or printing it out. 5.19 MB

http://savefile.com/projects/808578341





1. Formation Page - The formation page lists the different formations by our offense during the game. The number in the box given is also listed in the film breakdown sheet. So if you see for offensive formation 2, refer to the formation page for that formation.

2. Film Breakdown Sheets - Show a log of information of Down-distance, hash, offensive formation, and other key info.

3. Runs Vs the Eagles - I took some run plays I liked or saw from the game and diagramed them out



- I wrote descriptions for each of the run plays as well. Few of them were just descriptions and there are no diagrams for them




4. Pass plays Vs the Eagles - I took some of the pass plays and basically used it to study the blitzes our offense had to deal with.

5. Play by Play Sheets - This includes every play penalty or not, and has them diagramed out. 8 pages of that, for 64 plays, INCLUDING penalties.


6. Front Composite - This sheet gives us what techniques, were being played throughout the game. I divided this into hashes, zones, and down and distances to help us examine trends. Also listed what they were in, nickel, even front, odd front and so on. I also included stunts and who was stunting

7. Blitz Composite - This helps us understand where the blitzes were coming, and where they were being called on the field. Left Hash, Middle Hash, and so on. Also, I indicated who was coming on the particular play.



PAST BREAKDOWNS(Not as detailed)


Giants-Vikings Game
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15314

Giants-Eagles Game ( Offense and defense for the giants until half time)
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15054






















































































































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Well hope everyone  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 7:00 pm : link
enjoys it. The PDF link I provided might be easier if people are going to print it out. But overall I never realized how much Jim Johnson blitzed. I knew he was aggressive, but he impressed me alot.
Anish  
lawguy9801 : 12/13/2007 7:01 pm : link
seriously, Eric should throw you a few bucks for doing this. . .
Anish  
Spock : 12/13/2007 7:05 pm : link
you are the man! Great stuff to look at while on the john....:)
Anish  
Bill2 : 12/13/2007 7:12 pm : link
You win the prize. The greatest post I ever saw on BBI.

Thank you very much.
spock,  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 7:59 pm : link
Yeah def. will pass the time when your in the bathroom.
Anish..your DIII team is now my favorite...  
SHO'NUFF : 12/13/2007 7:59 pm : link
i will root for them, especially the TEs
AnishPatel, kudos to you  
CardinalX : 12/13/2007 8:39 pm : link
you may have fooled all these minions and onions and asparagus etc here at BBI (BigBatch'oIdiots)

but i'm calling you out.

you may be the master of copy and paste

but i'll figure out how you got a hold of my notes and what not and i'll be damned if i see you do it again

rot in hades man!!! hell hath no vengeance like a true psychotic genius scorned
umm disregard my previous post  
CardinalX : 12/13/2007 8:40 pm : link
i found my notes....







yours is pretty good too
After a long lay off...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 9:01 pm : link
...I had to come back just to say, well done. I am just getting my feet wet regarding breaking down film (little league) and certainly don't have the knowledge that some here have. I really appreciate what you've done here and am already using it as motivation for my 1st stint as HC next season.

Of course, I won't need to be this thorough, hell, I'd just confuse the kids, but I can see where some of the "real stuff" can help me understand what I'll need to be aware of when teaching my boys.

Good luck to you and thanks for the effort.
Excellent  
Suburbanite : 12/13/2007 9:05 pm : link
effort. I haven't read through it all to give my opinion, but anything that thorough needs to be recognized.
Un-Freaking-Believable.  
Wellington : 12/13/2007 9:16 pm : link
That is so impressive.
mine or his?  
CardinalX : 12/13/2007 9:44 pm : link
.
anish  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 9:47 pm : link
thsnk you. If you are still here could you discuss the shotgun spread formatio? - people seem to be warming to the run from the spread (first question) idea -

and what would you think of toomer (boss in the slot) (shocky right slot) buress...the thinking being that eli has connected with these guys well, they can block well for the formentioned run from spread and the average heights prsent a match up situation on certain routes especially. Another question is which run plays might be more to the advantage of a bradshaw with his additional shiftyness. saw bj head for the pile a few times there.

I would imagine this next one is the game to pull out all the stops play calling wise.
Is this it?  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:13 pm : link
Quote:
anish
freebluelove : 9:47 pm
thsnk you. If you are still here could you discuss the shotgun spread formatio? - people seem to be warming to the run from the spread (first question) idea -

and what would you think of toomer (boss in the slot) (shocky right slot) buress...the thinking being that eli has connected with these guys well, they can block well for the formentioned run from spread and the average heights prsent a match up situation on certain routes especially. Another question is which run plays might be more to the advantage of a bradshaw with his additional shiftyness. saw bj head for the pile a few times there.

I would imagine this next one is the game to pull out all the stops play calling wise




So double slot, and have Toomer, Shockey, Boss and Plax right? Jacobs in the backfield next to Eli? Does that sound right?
FYI...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2007 10:15 pm : link
Anish has been doing breakdowns in the game reviews (see BBI Vikings and Eagles game reviews).
anish  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:21 pm : link
yes and eli will adjust at the line run or pass...one of those four is almost guaranteed to deliver on a short route of some kind...recommend this time of year that the wrs best moves be made available as early and often as possib;e...I dunno how bjacobs is doing health wise but if he gets outside either boss or shocky can run the pick for him on the lbs. conversly any of the four can go long ..play action from this set?
Is this the...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 10:26 pm : link
..."Big" Run & Shoot?
So basically you're talking  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:29 pm : link
about a run and shoot type scenerio. 4 wrs and 1 back, and go from there. It's tough to sell that offense now a days. An offense like that can get you're qb killed at this level. It may work now and then, but at this level, you take out the franchise qb, and your left with a backup. Then what? On some plays it won't be bad, but blitz a LB or safety and you're going to get your qb killed. I love that offense for college, but in the pros, it's a tough sell because you're investing so much in a qb at this level. To leave him open for big hits is not smart.

Not to mention Gilbride runs a strong pro style offense, based on I formations, and a lot of variations of it. I am convinced if he had his way, we'd stick with I pro right, left, Big I, strong and weak I, and not leave it.
to help sell the playaction  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:29 pm : link
boss blocks his dback, the lbs slide to go after jacobs, the safety bites, toomer is alone on a cb

....or boss runs a short crossing route )fast) to cause a pile up in the flat (the pick) and jacobs takes the ball sharply the other direction.

question; how often are the more complex bocking schemes used during shotgun sets...if not why not....?
its like run and shoot but  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:35 pm : link
there are still two TEs on the field and the RB (if he still can at this point in the season) can A) ge outside and B) block like hell...its mainly used for short yardage running gains counterinuitavely ...with bj being a threat to do more and for C) quick passing patterns to the big TEs...if the D steps back on its heels due to the above..then we have a nice long play scenario...some poster mentioned that the spreads actaully had longer average running stats this year the the nfl.
we discussed this in the preseason and  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:44 pm : link
my two cents was that the power formations force a power D aka a stacked line...which is great if one gets around it and terrible if one rams into it

the spread forces the D to disperse and some were hoping this would get jacobs isolated on single lbs or better yet cbs...now BJ might be slowing a bit for now late in the season with the hammy but

..but the classic run blocking schemes as slated seemed a better fit for Ward - a quick guy to the hole type runner...bradshaw might be able to do BOTH styles but can he pick up the blitz is the question.
Run and shoot  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:48 pm : link
offenses tend to thrive on smaller shiftier backs, that don't need a lead blocker, and yet strong enough to handle a blitz. In the pros that's pretty damn specifc, and we don't have the back for that. So that alone put's us at a disadvantage.
so the idea was that  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:50 pm : link
the spread as a running formation (mostly) would been seen a few more times per game with Jacobs than it was with Ward....my favorite sample however was a touchdown by QB Collins where we ran the spread near the goal line....at the last second Tiki split to the slot leaving an empty backfield and forcing a lb out...and Collins ran three yards up the middle for the TD.

Game before last Eli ran about 9 yards for a 1st down from the spread I think.
so the idea was that  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:51 pm : link
the spread as a running formation (mostly) would been seen a few more times per game with Jacobs than it was with Ward....my favorite sample however was a touchdown by QB Collins where we ran the spread near the goal line....at the last second Tiki split to the slot leaving an empty backfield and forcing a lb out...and Collins ran three yards up the middle for the TD.

Game before last Eli ran about 9 yards for a 1st down from the spread I think.
Lorenzo White...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 10:54 pm : link
...Duncan, Jeffries, Hill & Givins.

oh yea, and Warren Moon.

btw, no TE on that team if I remember correctly.
It's good for  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:56 pm : link
couple good times but teams will watch tape and catch on, especially at the pro level. They will rep the hell out if it. Plus if we did that against philly they would have 6 down linemen and 5 covering our 4 guys, with 6 guys rushing. It would be a mess to see.
we were hoping that with  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:58 pm : link
Jacobs having a few extra steps from the shotgun to gain speed and going more or less in a straight line...being very fast for his size..he could bust these right out...I think last year he had some big gains this way...

he has been a stellar blocker early in the season picking up blitzes and just hammering them....

eli seems to love having lots or recievers and really made some decisive short throws in preseason I think from formations like this...I am fairly sure we saw some really nice first downs near the red zone in preseason this way as well.
That's the thing though  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 11:01 pm : link
you want a small back, not a big back.. You have two DTs on O'hara and 6 down linemen total. By the time Jacobs thinks of getting speed, he would be hammered. If we run playaction, Eli would need to be scrapped off the turf.
Thanks Anish!  
Chris in Philly : 12/13/2007 11:06 pm : link
This is a great read!
come to think of it those were  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:06 pm : link
fairly short gains...like 10 yards or so on those preseason passes..

yes it is a VERY scary high risk formation...

but it would seem to force alot of decisions onto a D that the power formations just don't.

...it is utterly less predictable...

and for that play would be putting the things really in the hands of Eli and (probably toomer or burress)the more one gets away with it the greater the chance it opens things up
freelove...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 11:08 pm : link
It's a recipe for disaster if it's used on a regular basis.

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well...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 11:08 pm : link
...that didn't come out right.
if I am counting right would that then mean:  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:20 pm : link
6 guys on the line, four 'man on' (covering our two tes and two wrs wide)

would that leave zero lbs back and only one safety?

I would then in that case split the TEs all the way out wide taking those two defenders out of the running and blitzing scenarios

so if they put 6 on the line plus the 4 'man on' near the line that is almost a totally empty backfield for burress to juke or an isolation scenario for shocky to bull through as examples...when have we seen shocky not be pulled down by five guys this year?

scary for them as well
it is sort of nuclear both ways  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:30 pm : link
because we could get our rb and or qb creamed...

but they certainly dont want 3 out of the 4 of

shocky, boss, burress and toomer

being in a one on one with no linebackers around and no safety...they are all out wide so pick your poison

I.m thinking the safety has to go for burress if he goes long..

so I could easily see one of them, maybe Boss taking a short pass such as a quick semi-underneath crossing route to the house on this one with the other guys blocking if need be

in a mix up from last weeks td
holy shit  
ITaLiRiCaN : 12/13/2007 11:34 pm : link
...
so it would be burress and boss left  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:34 pm : link
and shock toomer right...the same pass as the one to burress last week but this time to boss...a very fast and short route...plex is going long and toomer shock the out or short hook or whatever obscures the boss route and takes the dbacks away from the play..if one of those lbs gets smart and drops back eli will have to put touch on it but more likely boss has the moves and just torches him
Anish..  
TheEvilLurker : 12/14/2007 9:45 am : link
Awesome stuff.

Just curious (for Anish, dorgan and other coaches), does this stuff go into a database at all? It seems to me that it could be useful to put into a database to find patterns with visualization software. I know it won't replace regular analysis, but it may come up with a pattern that isn't easily visible.
What, no color coding?  
Art in JerseyII : 12/14/2007 10:01 am : link
Great stuff Anish:)
TEL,  
AnishPatel : 12/14/2007 10:43 am : link
Yeah it does. This is all long hand stuff, but then you put the information in the system. ODK, it's called it and from there you generate reports.
Anish  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/14/2007 10:54 am : link
I hadn't been on line for a while and just saw this - unbelievable - I won't be able to look at it closely until later - but I appreciate all your effort here and I know I'm going to enjoy going through this!!!
Kudos  
MotownGIANTS : 12/14/2007 10:56 am : link
guy. Excellent effort.
I think we have our new game preview  
Section331 : 12/14/2007 10:59 am : link
and review aanalyst for next year! Awesome stuff, Anish, I can't wait to pour through it.
Anish  
Bob in Vt : 12/14/2007 2:06 pm : link
Thank you very much for the unbelievable time and effort it took to capture all of this.
Man alive  
Montreal Man : 12/14/2007 2:29 pm : link
That was incredible, just incredible. Thanks for doing all that. Can't say enough about how great it all is.
Not bad.  
Randy in CT : 12/14/2007 2:53 pm : link
Just wish there was more detail. Slacker.
section...  
Brown Hornet : 12/14/2007 3:36 pm : link
...I'm guessing that Anish will have his hands full doing this for his team during the season.
Yeah BH,  
AnishPatel : 12/14/2007 3:57 pm : link
but it's easier if because I have access to a wide shot and tight shot of the game. So it should go alot faster than using Fox's coverage which sucks in my opinion.
So Anish  
Art in JerseyII : 12/14/2007 3:59 pm : link
Watching the game as a coach, wahst your take on Eli?
I think he is a good qb,  
AnishPatel : 12/14/2007 4:19 pm : link
don't know if I like our system when it comes to passing. One great philosophy that Coach Davis, the OC for Texas, said is if your offense has more than 5 or so breakdowns, you ask yourself as a coaching staff. Are we asking them to do too much mentally? Or are we asking them to do too much physically? I would say mentally, because not only is Eli and his skill guys on the wrong page, but we seem to drop a lot of balls, which indicates lack of focus because something else could be on their mind.

That thing needs to be fixed. It's hard to know exactly without sitting in on their meetings and watching their practices. But Eli will be fine, it's the system I worry about more. If Eli fails it would be because this franchise didn't surround himself with the proper coaches on the offensive side of the ball. Ben had Whisenhunt, Rivers and Brees had Cam C. Who did we have? Huffy, who is now in Cananda. And our qb coach was Gilbride who last held that position when he was with the Oilers in '89. In my opinion we failed to surround him with good coaches.

Gilbride is a step above Huffy, but overall I am not really a fan of him. I love his running plays, but still I think when you invest in a pick and a qb like Eli, you better be damn prepared by giving him everything so he can have a chance to succeed. Surpisingly even through all this, we still make the playoffs, which shows me he has a lot of potential.
anish  
freebluelove : 12/14/2007 5:52 pm : link
what is up with Sean Peyton?

...what did he do to get our guys open when here an what has he been doing now?

Have not followed really but remember some nice open long routes when he was here. Think I remember someone saying they let Collins go for first read only towards the end of that year (vikings game?)...eli seems much smarter than collins..that must play into things
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