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My Giants - Eagles Breakdown (it is long, but has diagrams)

AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 3:52 pm
Here is my Giants- Eagles Breakdown. It took me a while creating this. Hope you guys enjoy this. It took me from after the game sunday to last night to complete this.



Link to the PDF version for easier reading or printing it out. 5.19 MB

http://savefile.com/projects/808578341





1. Formation Page - The formation page lists the different formations by our offense during the game. The number in the box given is also listed in the film breakdown sheet. So if you see for offensive formation 2, refer to the formation page for that formation.

2. Film Breakdown Sheets - Show a log of information of Down-distance, hash, offensive formation, and other key info.

3. Runs Vs the Eagles - I took some run plays I liked or saw from the game and diagramed them out



- I wrote descriptions for each of the run plays as well. Few of them were just descriptions and there are no diagrams for them




4. Pass plays Vs the Eagles - I took some of the pass plays and basically used it to study the blitzes our offense had to deal with.

5. Play by Play Sheets - This includes every play penalty or not, and has them diagramed out. 8 pages of that, for 64 plays, INCLUDING penalties.


6. Front Composite - This sheet gives us what techniques, were being played throughout the game. I divided this into hashes, zones, and down and distances to help us examine trends. Also listed what they were in, nickel, even front, odd front and so on. I also included stunts and who was stunting

7. Blitz Composite - This helps us understand where the blitzes were coming, and where they were being called on the field. Left Hash, Middle Hash, and so on. Also, I indicated who was coming on the particular play.



PAST BREAKDOWNS(Not as detailed)


Giants-Vikings Game
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15314

Giants-Eagles Game ( Offense and defense for the giants until half time)
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15054






















































































































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holy shit  
armstead98 : 12/13/2007 4:53 pm : link
great frickin post. too bad im in the middle of finals and don't have hours to spend studying it. I guess ill use this as motivation for getting through the next couple of days. When im done with school work i can spend as many hours as i want looking at and trying to understand this post.

thanks anish! you're the man!
Sorry if this has already been asked.  
Crispino : 12/13/2007 4:54 pm : link
I'm just in awe.
Great job!  
geemanfan : 12/13/2007 4:56 pm : link
Eric should give you your own break down page.
gman56  
dorgan : 12/13/2007 5:12 pm : link
Most DIII, DII and high school coaches work for less than minimum wage.

You guys are real impressed with this but it's just a single game break down. Anish probably does two to three of these a week. If he doesn't there is someone on staff who does.

I usually do three games a week during the season, but there are times I break down 4.
After a few years you can do them much quicker than when you start out, but it's still very time consuming.

Once you've broken the game down, the work has just begun.
Compiling and analyzing the data from two or three games is next.

Then you have to decide what your path will be for the week, then devise the specific game plan for each side of the ball.
Considering you have until Monday's practice to do all of this, weekend evenings are at a premium.
There is very little time to celebrate a win or mourn a loss.
dorgan  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 5:27 pm : link
Yeah this is just front and blitz, normally coverage composite is added to it, but we don't have access to the film coaches use so I had to leave that out. Either way it's fun to do to break down NFL games because you see the different Xs and Os that take place.
Thanks very much Amish, great work  
HBart : 12/13/2007 5:31 pm : link
I look forward to getting the time to go through all this, but just wanted to say thanks for your time in creating it.
Anish  
dorgan : 12/13/2007 5:32 pm : link
I think you did a very good job considering the limited view you had to work with.

I salute your work ethic!

At this point in my life, I'm too damned burned out to break down games beyond those that are required to do the job well.
Simply  
BlueFox : 12/13/2007 5:34 pm : link
Thank you. Your work is very much appreciated. When I saw your breakdowns of a few plays in the game review a few weeks ago I was excited. And this is more then we could have ever expected!
Shit  
Gmen56 : 12/13/2007 5:36 pm : link
I would do this for nothing, if I had the chance.
Gmen  
dorgan : 12/13/2007 5:42 pm : link
This is the shittiest part of coaching!
Working on the field is the gravy and the games are the dessert.
Dorgan,  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 6:02 pm : link
Yeah breaking down the games is a painstaking process, and towards the end of the game, I am praying for a 3 and out so I can be done with that series! lol. This game went quickly though, so I didn't mind it as much. The Lions and Vikings games seemed to drag on and on.
This is sick detail  
SGMen : 12/13/2007 6:03 pm : link
Wow. Thanks.
Dorgan  
Gmen56 : 12/13/2007 6:05 pm : link
I know. Of course getting on the field is the gravy. And, know these breakdowns are moreso of a burden to some than others, but, I would enjoy this aspect of the job as well because the love I have for the game of football.

Call me nuts.
someone owes Anish an  
bob in tx : 12/13/2007 6:06 pm : link
apology.gg was never this good.
anish.. thank you. I am printing this out  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/13/2007 6:11 pm : link
to read.. simply awesome

Dorgan

I know what you mean

Dorgan:
don't forget calling in the game stats on Friday night to the papers after the game...before midnight, of course,

then doing all what you said and having the game film from the last game ready to watch with the players on Monday all broken down play by play .. they never sleep

then sitting in all the new stuff for next week

the actual game goes by in a blur

Coaches, good coaches, are worth their weight in good

Very impressive .....  
Manny in CA : 12/13/2007 6:53 pm : link
In content, but most of all in the statement that it makes about how willing many are, now, to elevate the level of discussion here, beyond the childish "I hate your more" dialog, that has been way too prevalent in the past.
Well hope everyone  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 7:00 pm : link
enjoys it. The PDF link I provided might be easier if people are going to print it out. But overall I never realized how much Jim Johnson blitzed. I knew he was aggressive, but he impressed me alot.
Anish  
lawguy9801 : 12/13/2007 7:01 pm : link
seriously, Eric should throw you a few bucks for doing this. . .
Anish  
Spock : 12/13/2007 7:05 pm : link
you are the man! Great stuff to look at while on the john....:)
Anish  
Bill2 : 12/13/2007 7:12 pm : link
You win the prize. The greatest post I ever saw on BBI.

Thank you very much.
spock,  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 7:59 pm : link
Yeah def. will pass the time when your in the bathroom.
Anish..your DIII team is now my favorite...  
SHO'NUFF : 12/13/2007 7:59 pm : link
i will root for them, especially the TEs
AnishPatel, kudos to you  
CardinalX : 12/13/2007 8:39 pm : link
you may have fooled all these minions and onions and asparagus etc here at BBI (BigBatch'oIdiots)

but i'm calling you out.

you may be the master of copy and paste

but i'll figure out how you got a hold of my notes and what not and i'll be damned if i see you do it again

rot in hades man!!! hell hath no vengeance like a true psychotic genius scorned
umm disregard my previous post  
CardinalX : 12/13/2007 8:40 pm : link
i found my notes....







yours is pretty good too
After a long lay off...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 9:01 pm : link
...I had to come back just to say, well done. I am just getting my feet wet regarding breaking down film (little league) and certainly don't have the knowledge that some here have. I really appreciate what you've done here and am already using it as motivation for my 1st stint as HC next season.

Of course, I won't need to be this thorough, hell, I'd just confuse the kids, but I can see where some of the "real stuff" can help me understand what I'll need to be aware of when teaching my boys.

Good luck to you and thanks for the effort.
Excellent  
Suburbanite : 12/13/2007 9:05 pm : link
effort. I haven't read through it all to give my opinion, but anything that thorough needs to be recognized.
Un-Freaking-Believable.  
Wellington : 12/13/2007 9:16 pm : link
That is so impressive.
mine or his?  
CardinalX : 12/13/2007 9:44 pm : link
.
anish  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 9:47 pm : link
thsnk you. If you are still here could you discuss the shotgun spread formatio? - people seem to be warming to the run from the spread (first question) idea -

and what would you think of toomer (boss in the slot) (shocky right slot) buress...the thinking being that eli has connected with these guys well, they can block well for the formentioned run from spread and the average heights prsent a match up situation on certain routes especially. Another question is which run plays might be more to the advantage of a bradshaw with his additional shiftyness. saw bj head for the pile a few times there.

I would imagine this next one is the game to pull out all the stops play calling wise.
Is this it?  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:13 pm : link
Quote:
anish
freebluelove : 9:47 pm
thsnk you. If you are still here could you discuss the shotgun spread formatio? - people seem to be warming to the run from the spread (first question) idea -

and what would you think of toomer (boss in the slot) (shocky right slot) buress...the thinking being that eli has connected with these guys well, they can block well for the formentioned run from spread and the average heights prsent a match up situation on certain routes especially. Another question is which run plays might be more to the advantage of a bradshaw with his additional shiftyness. saw bj head for the pile a few times there.

I would imagine this next one is the game to pull out all the stops play calling wise




So double slot, and have Toomer, Shockey, Boss and Plax right? Jacobs in the backfield next to Eli? Does that sound right?
FYI...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2007 10:15 pm : link
Anish has been doing breakdowns in the game reviews (see BBI Vikings and Eagles game reviews).
anish  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:21 pm : link
yes and eli will adjust at the line run or pass...one of those four is almost guaranteed to deliver on a short route of some kind...recommend this time of year that the wrs best moves be made available as early and often as possib;e...I dunno how bjacobs is doing health wise but if he gets outside either boss or shocky can run the pick for him on the lbs. conversly any of the four can go long ..play action from this set?
Is this the...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 10:26 pm : link
..."Big" Run & Shoot?
So basically you're talking  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:29 pm : link
about a run and shoot type scenerio. 4 wrs and 1 back, and go from there. It's tough to sell that offense now a days. An offense like that can get you're qb killed at this level. It may work now and then, but at this level, you take out the franchise qb, and your left with a backup. Then what? On some plays it won't be bad, but blitz a LB or safety and you're going to get your qb killed. I love that offense for college, but in the pros, it's a tough sell because you're investing so much in a qb at this level. To leave him open for big hits is not smart.

Not to mention Gilbride runs a strong pro style offense, based on I formations, and a lot of variations of it. I am convinced if he had his way, we'd stick with I pro right, left, Big I, strong and weak I, and not leave it.
to help sell the playaction  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:29 pm : link
boss blocks his dback, the lbs slide to go after jacobs, the safety bites, toomer is alone on a cb

....or boss runs a short crossing route )fast) to cause a pile up in the flat (the pick) and jacobs takes the ball sharply the other direction.

question; how often are the more complex bocking schemes used during shotgun sets...if not why not....?
its like run and shoot but  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:35 pm : link
there are still two TEs on the field and the RB (if he still can at this point in the season) can A) ge outside and B) block like hell...its mainly used for short yardage running gains counterinuitavely ...with bj being a threat to do more and for C) quick passing patterns to the big TEs...if the D steps back on its heels due to the above..then we have a nice long play scenario...some poster mentioned that the spreads actaully had longer average running stats this year the the nfl.
we discussed this in the preseason and  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:44 pm : link
my two cents was that the power formations force a power D aka a stacked line...which is great if one gets around it and terrible if one rams into it

the spread forces the D to disperse and some were hoping this would get jacobs isolated on single lbs or better yet cbs...now BJ might be slowing a bit for now late in the season with the hammy but

..but the classic run blocking schemes as slated seemed a better fit for Ward - a quick guy to the hole type runner...bradshaw might be able to do BOTH styles but can he pick up the blitz is the question.
Run and shoot  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:48 pm : link
offenses tend to thrive on smaller shiftier backs, that don't need a lead blocker, and yet strong enough to handle a blitz. In the pros that's pretty damn specifc, and we don't have the back for that. So that alone put's us at a disadvantage.
so the idea was that  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:50 pm : link
the spread as a running formation (mostly) would been seen a few more times per game with Jacobs than it was with Ward....my favorite sample however was a touchdown by QB Collins where we ran the spread near the goal line....at the last second Tiki split to the slot leaving an empty backfield and forcing a lb out...and Collins ran three yards up the middle for the TD.

Game before last Eli ran about 9 yards for a 1st down from the spread I think.
so the idea was that  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:51 pm : link
the spread as a running formation (mostly) would been seen a few more times per game with Jacobs than it was with Ward....my favorite sample however was a touchdown by QB Collins where we ran the spread near the goal line....at the last second Tiki split to the slot leaving an empty backfield and forcing a lb out...and Collins ran three yards up the middle for the TD.

Game before last Eli ran about 9 yards for a 1st down from the spread I think.
Lorenzo White...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 10:54 pm : link
...Duncan, Jeffries, Hill & Givins.

oh yea, and Warren Moon.

btw, no TE on that team if I remember correctly.
It's good for  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 10:56 pm : link
couple good times but teams will watch tape and catch on, especially at the pro level. They will rep the hell out if it. Plus if we did that against philly they would have 6 down linemen and 5 covering our 4 guys, with 6 guys rushing. It would be a mess to see.
we were hoping that with  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 10:58 pm : link
Jacobs having a few extra steps from the shotgun to gain speed and going more or less in a straight line...being very fast for his size..he could bust these right out...I think last year he had some big gains this way...

he has been a stellar blocker early in the season picking up blitzes and just hammering them....

eli seems to love having lots or recievers and really made some decisive short throws in preseason I think from formations like this...I am fairly sure we saw some really nice first downs near the red zone in preseason this way as well.
That's the thing though  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2007 11:01 pm : link
you want a small back, not a big back.. You have two DTs on O'hara and 6 down linemen total. By the time Jacobs thinks of getting speed, he would be hammered. If we run playaction, Eli would need to be scrapped off the turf.
Thanks Anish!  
Chris in Philly : 12/13/2007 11:06 pm : link
This is a great read!
come to think of it those were  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:06 pm : link
fairly short gains...like 10 yards or so on those preseason passes..

yes it is a VERY scary high risk formation...

but it would seem to force alot of decisions onto a D that the power formations just don't.

...it is utterly less predictable...

and for that play would be putting the things really in the hands of Eli and (probably toomer or burress)the more one gets away with it the greater the chance it opens things up
freelove...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 11:08 pm : link
It's a recipe for disaster if it's used on a regular basis.

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well...  
Brown Hornet : 12/13/2007 11:08 pm : link
...that didn't come out right.
if I am counting right would that then mean:  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:20 pm : link
6 guys on the line, four 'man on' (covering our two tes and two wrs wide)

would that leave zero lbs back and only one safety?

I would then in that case split the TEs all the way out wide taking those two defenders out of the running and blitzing scenarios

so if they put 6 on the line plus the 4 'man on' near the line that is almost a totally empty backfield for burress to juke or an isolation scenario for shocky to bull through as examples...when have we seen shocky not be pulled down by five guys this year?

scary for them as well
it is sort of nuclear both ways  
freebluelove : 12/13/2007 11:30 pm : link
because we could get our rb and or qb creamed...

but they certainly dont want 3 out of the 4 of

shocky, boss, burress and toomer

being in a one on one with no linebackers around and no safety...they are all out wide so pick your poison

I.m thinking the safety has to go for burress if he goes long..

so I could easily see one of them, maybe Boss taking a short pass such as a quick semi-underneath crossing route to the house on this one with the other guys blocking if need be

in a mix up from last weeks td
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