1) Eli simply playing better
2) Shorter passes (simpler playcalling by Gilbride)
3) The emergence of Steve Smith as a legit #3 (finally)
4) Ahmad Bradshaw indirectly helping with his running
What is your feeling?
To me, I think it's Smith being the reliable #3. It really does make a difference.
Like most things in life, it's never one thing but I think since returning from his shoulder and hamstring injury, Smith has helped to re-open some things out there.
I don't think much has changed in the way of routes or passing options, as the play calling looks similar to the rest of the year.
and Baby Bavaro is taking over...
They have called far more DESIGNED plays i.e plays with more finite and clear reads, roll-outs, slants, plays with 1-2 quick reads vs. 5 or more etc.
Couple that with a stronger commitment to the run, you see the 'magical' metamorphis of Eli.
Truth is if we had went to this type of playcalling 2 years ago , we would have seen similiar results. Eli coming out was more polished than both Rivers and Roeth. With our weapons free to just beat thier man instead of trying to out-cute them (a Tiki and Shockey term) we would have performed much more consistently on O.
Holy shit the act is tiring.
playing a lot of man coverage. In fact Simms interview, and
Eli stated we planned to get the ground game going in GB but
based on the looks - daring single coverage on Plax - we knew we could move the ball.
Obviously it changes Eli's reads. At Minnesota, they claimed they rolled and gave different presnap coverage looks throwing Eli off... I'm sure we'll see more mental stuff from the Pats and they'll try and get into the throwing lanes....
They may walk LB'ers up into gaps pulling and rushing some trying to break the pick up protections, which honestly scares the piss out of me... just picturing Eli frazzled is my biggest worry, hopefully a few early big plays to Bradshaw... Jacobs loosen up the looks we'll see and have them play on their heels.
We do drive early in the 1st quarter against many teams and that changes the defenses we see.... Anyone else getting nervous/overlypsyched?
Its already been proven (to those who arent in self denial or have an agenda) that this offense was one of the most complicated. Now Im betting, it'll be soon be confirmed that it was simplified as well (in fact comments have already begun on this, though not nearly as much as the analysis confirming how complicated this O used to be).
Listen to Phil Simms analysis on the fan a couple days back on WFAN.com. He already begins to talk about this. How the O took a long time to find what works best for it etc.
Giants are running the football even when behind in the game
by being a balanced attack they are opening up opportunites for Eli
"Bill
JerseyJoe : 1/28/2008 9:27 pm
The fact that you still claim Eli magically improved without admitting what numerous analysts including 6 other former NFL Qbs have said that the O was simplified..."
Who are these numerous analysts and 6 other QBs again?
That would mean there has been no shift in the play calling, no change in the decision making on the WR's part. It's merely execution between QB and WR.
No change in playcalling can explain why Eli performed well in the freezing Green Bay weather. Previously, all we've heard, and mostly believed, is that Eli sucked in the cold. Yet the below freezing temperature barely fazed him. Eli continued his solid football. If the cold was his weakness, nothing Kevin Gilbride nor Tom Coughlin can draw up would help Eli then. It was up to him to handle his grip, and his throws better. Thankfully, his Wide Receivers and Tight Ends are giving him the room he needs to make the throw, while Eli himself just threw better in the cold.
If - as some ppl are saying - it is b/c of just one thing like Plax's ankle mending, Smith becoming a valid 3rd option, Brandshaw's emergence, etc. Then the Giants and us fans are in big trouble, b/c that would mean once this factor goes away via injury, etc next year we're back to the same old Eli.
I don't believe in "analysts" much, and I certainly don't believe in you - a guy who thinks that he's had the magic formula for success, and then comes here crowing about it when we've continued to do the same damn things over and over throughout the year.
You keep mentioning the quicker passes, the lack of deep balls, the simplified routes, less play action. Each and every one of those points has been refuted. Can't this simply be a case of the QB and the WR's getting it, which times correctly with the #1 and #2 guys getting back to better health and the emergence of Smith and Bradshaw?? Nah. That would be too logical.
It must be the points you mentioned years ago, and Coughlin and the boys looking for a way to lead an errant offense turned to BBI's junior OC for guidance.
I'm just glad spags hasn't done the same thing so that the 2-9 isn't at play.
There is a reason Eli became a world beater practically every time we go into the two minute O. it allows him to be more decisive rather than thinking excessively. The results are as clear as day. And weve seen it over and over.
Finally the staff is calling plays that complement our talent on O. Rather than have them out-think and out-cute everyone, they are going out and simply playing and beating the other guy. And play designs are more often for one or two primary recievers than a free for all, 5 read, all are equal system.
After the season is over Im betting the changes/offensive adjustments will begin to leak even more than they already have.
Nothing will be "leaked" unless you want to hear that Gilbride gameplanned for each and every opponent, something all coaches do. After getting 50 games under his belt, why is it so hard to believe Eli didn't just "get it"?? It coincides with the learning curve of many good QB's.
Really don't now how you can watch this and think it is simplfied.
Do you see the pressers yesterday? Are the Giants lying or are you full of shit?
Armchair OC'ing is a great thing, because it means you can pick and choose your times to appear. When we play poorly and the playcalling is bad - here's Joe to tell us why we lost. When we play well and the play calling is good, here's Joe to tell us how the coaches finally came to their senses.
It's a convenient way for idiots to operate.
Pray tell me why Eli has looked so amazing in the two minute offense the last few years. nah it cant be the fact that it's simpler!
Wow talk about seeing a forest and saying those arent really trees!
I gotta say, I think you're way off base. I believe it's really a simple case of confidence. Manning has been spreading the ball around beautifully, getting almost everyone involved, and each week, there has been a different gameplan going in.
You guys act as if our passing game has never been good and neither has Eli. The fact is Eli has had good games and so has the passign offense. The difference is they've done it for three consecutive weeks.
His drops are shorter and I also believe that the # of "reads" that the WR has to make has changed. Eli really seems to know where the WRs are supposed to be on every pass, he looked unsure earlier on. I don't believe that some sort of light went on in his head. I believe that the offense has been modified to better fit all of the players, not just Eli.
Not trying to be an ass but what are you basing that on? I assume it's a guess?
The fewer reads, the quicker two people on each end of the pass route can process the information necessary for success.
There are many reasons why the offense has gotten better, Plax being able to practice helps. Toomer over a year removed from surgery is more efficient, and Smith picks up a valuable role as the intermediate guy, something Moss and others just couldn't do.
If the coaches have gotten Eli to "simplify" his reads, that isn't a different play call, that is a different point of emphasis they are coaching him on.
Personally, I think we are watching eli blossom. Whether it is because he doesn't have Shockey out there or if it is because he has strung a couple of good performances together and is reading things better, I don't know. I'm pretty sure that most of it isn't due to different play calls though.
Mike fr Warwick nailed it above - the routes and tree routes are identical, and in some cases even more complicated than before (due ot Smith playing well). Eli is just hitting guys with more frequency and accuracy.
JerseyJoe : 1/28/2008 9:27 pm
The fact that you still claim Eli magically improved without admitting what numerous analysts including 6 other former NFL Qbs have said that the O was simplified...
Who are these numerous analysts and 6 other QBs again?
A guess? Sure. But an educated guess.
I said a number of reasons, that being one of them. I don't think you can explain it solely by the light going on for Eli, although that's partly the case also. If the system is made more user friendly, it would follow that one would find it easier to succeed in such a system.
Analysts, Tilfer, Hasselbeck, Jaws among others (persons who have much more football knowledge than me, or even you), have described our system as very difficult with multiple reads on both ends.
Simplification is one of a few reasons, IMO, for our improved passing game. To simply dismiss this theory out of hand is foolish.
When I have a little more time, I'll start a thread listing my theory of all the reasons for success.
Do you get the whole concept behind theories and educated guesses?
Eli is getting the ball out faster, hence less pressure. He's spreading the ball around more, meaning he's able to make reads faster and check down to 3rd or 4th receivers in some cases.
Without a playbook, it's theory. Got it?
Eli is far more deliberate with his passes. Some of the "huess work" has apparently been removed.
Fats, the plays are more than likely very similar, altho there seems to always be a check-down available now that was not always there, but if the order in which Eli is supposed to make reads is different, than the play design is in fact different.
As MOOPS pointed out, it's a theory based on viewing from the TV.
Don't you have something better to do?
Insert fishing line?
Catch fish?
Naaaa, can't be done.
anybody got a canoe?
anybody got a canoe?
The only place to fish in the desert is the Supermarket.
I just don't agree with it. eli has always had a checkdown available. Perhaps it wasn't as evident early in the year because of Jacobs and Ward being less proficient than Tiki at getting open. We also didn't have a viable 3rd WR until Smith stepped up. Moss wasn't that guy.
I believe the ball is coming out more quickly because Eli trusts either his WR's or himself to put the ball where it needs to be and he may have just caught up to the learning curve needed to make the correct decisions. Most young QB's struggle in that aspect.
The best part is that Eli has put the work in and has kept his head up and it is now apparent he is succeeding. But looking at the plays, there appears to be little difference in them.
Just remember, attacking teams differently (i.e short passes vs. Tampa, long and medium vs. the Pats) is gameplanning. Simplifying the offense would mean that we actually only give the WR's one option and Eli only a couple. That isn't the case. The routes and play designs are the same. anything else that changes within that framework isn't simplification, it is adjustment.
That is a key point of differentiation.
The only thing I've seen that has been simplified is the options to Boss.
It looks like he has a primary pre snap read and his route is determined pre-snap.
Other than that, we've added to our base offense all year.
We have gone back and reinvigorated the waggle series, but that's not new. We ran that last year and a few times early this year.
You cheap bastard!
I'm no expert but it seems to me that such simple things can be the cause of his improvements.
Since I don't have transcripts of the broadcasts - & neither does Joe or anyone else - it's pretty friggin' hard to come up w/ quotes of Aikman, Jaws & others saying this was how the O was run. If the receiver & Eli aren't reading the same thing post-snap for whatever reason, balls are not going to be thrown where the receiver is. I don't see why that's difficult to comprehend. Boss probably doesn't know the plays as well as Shockey, so they've simplified his routes by removing his options from them. The plays look like "run 5 yards, cut to the right & the ball will be there 2 seconds later," rather than "run 5 yards, but if you see X coming over to cover you, turn upfield & hopefully Eli will see that X was coming up to cover you & know you're turning upfield."
Eli is making reads faster b/c I think he & the receivers are making fewer of them post-snap. He's been more accurate b/c he's much more sure of where the receivers are gonna be. He doesn't have to take the extra second or 2 or whatever to figure if the receiver might get open if he exercices an option. If he's covered, he goes to the 2nd read, period. Plays develop quicker when they're more cut & dry. I just can't believe a player can get so much better so quickly just b/c he's played the "magical" # of games that a light goes on.
Plax practicing certainly helps a lot. So does having a viable 3rd option in Smith.
This has then forced us to run plays out of different formations then what we have in the past, which may have surprised teams that have film on us.
Our receivers have also stepped up their play which has been a big factor.
(more on Eli Manning’s play) “I think he’s always worked at that very diligently, and he’s spent great amounts of energy and time to get himself prepared. It just seems like as a team, we’re playing better so everybody’s complimenting him. But, he’s always worked at that aspect of the game. I think it’s a combination of experience and I think the guys around him are playing a lot better right now. It just looks like he’s had this breakout that is so different from everything else, but it’s really been a steady process. Week-by-week, we’ve taken two steps forward, one step back. But, he has made gradual movement in the right direction. Maybe the decision making that he’s demonstrated over the last five week is probably been the biggest difference from everything else. He just has not made a bad decision. You had that go route down to Steve Smith, and you wish he’d thrown it a little bit more outside and we’d have had a touchdown, but in terms of where to go with the ball, that’s exactly where it needed to go. That’s the way he’s been. He hasn’t made a bad decision with the ball in a long time.”
(on if his play calling has been different and would attribute to the success) “I wish it was an easy thing to identify, or to say it was this game or this quarter. We have not changed our offensive philosophy since Day 1. We’ve always tried to approach each game with an effort to keep defenses off-balance, and yet have us try to maintain a degree of balance in terms of running and passing. But more importantly, to have the ability to adjust as the game went on. What were they overloading and committed to stopping, and then have the ability to exploit that area where they were vulnerable. That’s what we’re doing now, but we’re just being more consistent and successful.”
There have been changes, I can see them and I'm no brighter than most. I agree though, that they have been minor (so some call them adjustments....semantics?) and as most have said, there really, are many factors.
"I wish it was an easy thing to identify, or to say it was this game or this quarter. We have not changed our offensive philosophy since Day 1. We’ve always tried to approach each game with an effort to keep defenses off-balance, and yet have us try to maintain a degree of balance in terms of running and passing. But more importantly, to have the ability to adjust as the game went on. What were they overloading and committed to stopping, and then have the ability to exploit that area where they were vulnerable. That’s what we’re doing now, but we’re just being more consistent and successful.”
I know some people want to point to a simplified playcalling, but most of them aren't saying that based on observation, they are saying that because they said the only way for the offense to improve was by simplifying it.
The statements, "Eli couldn't hit the broad side of a barn." or "Eli can't hit a 5 yard slant." were completely baseless, imo. Just as baseless as, "The offense was simplified."
Fiddy??
He also deftly never refered to complexity but focused on general philosophy. And to that tune he is correct the general philosophy HASNT changed (though the were a bit pass happy at times) but the complexity defintily HAS.
I and many others have eyes and Eli was inconsistent as hell...He has taken his game to the next level virtually overnight...
Bullshit and you know it.
Somebody needs to straighten this guy out, because I'm done with him on this...My lord...Take the blinders off...
(on if QB Eli Manning has improved the past four weeks) “Everybody has asked me that question, saying he has gotten better the past few weeks. But if you look at the start of the season, we started off throwing the ball great. He had a great day in Dallas on opening week when we scored 35 points. (Even though) we lost to Green Bay the second week of the season, we started off very well. We played in some bad weather games, with monsoons and wind blowing 30- and 40-miles per hour. Everybody experienced that during that time. But ever since we were able to go out and execute our offense and throw the football, all of a sudden he’s a magician? He’s (actually) been doing it the whole season. It’s not just been four weeks. We won 10 games. I guess he went home or into his locker and hit a switch and became a magician (laughing). But, he’s been playing well the whole season. I guess ever since London when we had all those bad weather games, (people were saying Manning is a) bad quarterback, he doesn’t play well in bad weather or play well in the cold. But, he has been doing just fine all year, if you ask me. If you look at the success we’ve had as receivers and as running backs catching the ball – we all have some touchdowns – he has been phenomenal not just for four weeks.”
I don't care if he's on the same team and is maybe just being politically correct. The more knows more about the situation then either of us.
This win is gonna be sweet!
What was Peyton's excuse for six INTs against SD?
you can't be perfect every sunday.
There are a few others here who I think are afraid of the backlash who have noticed this too and haven't spoken up.
Its funny how the truth sometimes can be so difficult to comprehend for some. Especially the ones who fancy themselves as intelligent people.
Coach speak and Qb speak....you never blame your coaching it goes against team and leadership concept.
Its crystal clear to unbiased eyes whats going on the field. And Eli didnt just 'magically' improve overnight. We are now seeing College Eli and its because the playcalling is finally allowing him to play more than over-think.
You claimed no less than 6 former NFL QBs claimed the offense has been simplified but you refuse to name even one.
I honestly believe you were disappointed to see the Giants offense click.
"Numerous BBIers have been complaining about playcalling"
He can and he has, but it takes time and maturation - a maturation that has come from studying, practicing, and learning.
And no, Eli's confidence isn't something that was never there, he had glimpses, but he's taken it to a whole new level since week 17. JerseyJoe claims it can only be due to a dumbing down of the playbook and he uses these fictional 6 former QB's as the ones claiming how complex the system is. what he doesn't say is if these fictional people have said that the offense has been simplified. He assumes that since we now are efficient that the only way to get there was due to dumbing things down. An assumption he makes because it is what he's been preaching all along.
That doesn't make it right, and the game tape evidence doesn't back him up. The route running doesn't back him up. Eli's words and Gilbride's words don't back him up. But to him, it doesn't matter.
That, my friends, is aggressive cluelessness at its finest.
There have been announcers and annalysts that have commented on how complicated the system is. I can't name all six because I don't recall all six names, but each time it happened a seperate thread was brought up discussing this persons POV. I've personally heard Jim MILLER and I know AIKMAN, Tim HASSELBECK and Ron JAWORSKI have been brought up on these discussions although I dont' personally recall if it was them or not that brought it up.
HOWEVER, its everyones best guess if anything was simplified or not. The bottom line is no one knows if this happened or not except those on the Giants. We all have our opinion and we could debate it all day. Personally, I have no idea, since I don't have the bennefit of game tape to evaluate and even if I did I don't have the Giants playbook.
Lastly, can we stop with this crap about Eli not being able to hit the brought side of a barn crap argument. Its worse then the people saying the playbook has changed, because it is based in nothing more then opinion and nothing to back it up. Anyone who has been a fan has seen that Eli can and has had some very good games over his career along with some very bad ones. His knock has never been that he can't throw every pass or that he can't play period. His knock has been that he is inconsistant. It's that fact that he does have those really good games and the next can have a really bad game. But, to say he can't throw certain passes or can't it the broad side of a barn is based no where in reality.
You dont' go from not being able to hit the broad side of a barn to being the only QB in the playoffs without an interception. There are several logical reasons that have been laid out by Dorgan, Fatman and others that explain in detail all the things that have helped. However, it is beyond lunacy to think there is some magic switch that just all the sudden went off in Eli's head that allowed him to do what he has the last three weeks.
That is the major flaw of JerseyJoe's argument. He contends that the only way to be successful with a complex offense is to dumb it down, which doesn't have to be the case, nor does it appear to be the case.
It's like saying that because somebody struggles to solve the Rubik's Cube that when they finally do, it is only because of a new version released with solid colors on all 6 sides.
Perhaps Gilbride might make it clearer:
"I wish it was an easy thing to identify, or to say it was this game or this quarter. We have not changed our offensive philosophy since Day 1. We’ve always tried to approach each game with an effort to keep defenses off-balance, and yet have us try to maintain a degree of balance in terms of running and passing. But more importantly, to have the ability to adjust as the game went on. What were they overloading and committed to stopping, and then have the ability to exploit that area where they were vulnerable. That’s what we’re doing now, but we’re just being more consistent and successful.”
"...We have not changed our offensive philosophy since Day 1...."
"...That’s what we’re doing now, but we’re just being more consistent and successful.”
When a WR lines up he has several reads he must make in order not to run directly into coverage. Giving you the short version. The leverage the CB is playing. If needed I will explain that. Then the safeties. Can explain that too. Then the LB alignment.Often the the defense will stem late in the count and the WR will have to make the reads again.
An example. Defense shows cover 1, stems into a cover 2. The WR was going to run an out but because the defense changed he runs a quick slant. That is why they have a passing tree. Based on the coverage the QB and WR know whether the route will be inside,outside or deep. Hence the numbering of the routes in the passing tree. You can't lock in routes you must read the coverage.
Simplifying the offense is not eliminating those critical reads. It is reducing the number of plays in the game plan and focusing on the execution of said plays.
Several people on this thread, BBI and announcers have listed several logical reasons why he has showed consistancy in the playoffs. These have included, but have not been limited to, having Plax practice more, emergence of Bradshaw and Smith, entire team playing bettter, etc...
All of those reasons to include Eli just throwing better are all logical reasons why we have looked better. My problem is when we use the hyperbolic statments like, "can't hit the broad side of a barn."
1a) Steve Smith - he's recovered from a hamstring injury and probably now is the healthiest wide receiver on the team. He is finally getting involved more in the offense.
1b) Plaxico Burress - besides the ankle, don't forget that Plax has had to recover from a knee injury from mid-season. He's gotten healthier and has improved since the earlier weeks of the season (story on the front page quotes him as saying he's at 97%...excellent), and I think we saw some of that quickness come back in the Green Bay game.
1c) Amani Toomer - I'll admit that I had been pretty critical of Toomer all season long about him not getting separation, but maybe I underestimated his recovery time on the torn achilles (he's now a year removed from it). He still has a case of the dropsies, but it looks like he's been getting open more often.
1d) Boss/Shockey - there's no way I'll say that Boss is an improvement over Shockey, but there's no denying that Eli and Shock have struggled this season to get on the same page. I don't think that sort of miscommunication exists with Boss, and it helps that the Giants don't feel compelled to stretch him down the field or run any complicated routes with him. Plus, he's been the most reliable reciever when it comes to catching the ball.
2) Weather conditions: It seems like everytime someone wants to ridicule Eli the first game they go back to this year is the Buffalo game. It was a game with 25mph winds, rain AND snow. Eli threw 11 total passes in that game I believe. Not the best game to reference. The Giants have played a lot of games this year in some pretty crappy weather - let's not forget the conditions against Miami, Washington, and Chicago. Keep in mind that poor weather doesn't just affect the QB, it affects the receivers as well - that goes understated quite often.
I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to believe that Eli Manning was already a capable quarterback who was placed at a disadvantage this season. Many "analysts" and some BBIers just seem to go out of their way to attribute the Giants' success to everything but Eli - I think he's earned a little more respect than that by now.
I'm not going to go into the playcalling and how that has affected him because I just want to make the point that some people are selectively overlooking the obvious differences between now and midseason.
However, when you say he can't hit the broad side of the barn, that implies there are throws he can't make. He has clearly shown over four years that he can make every throw. His problem has not been that he can't throw the passes, the problems have been he hasn't been able to consistantly do it.
He still makes shitty throws at times, but as you pointed out, all QBs do...The difference is that he is very consistent now and the shitty throws no longer define his game in the main...
Secondly I will yet again clarify what I meant by simplification. I never said it meant taking out ALL option routes, thats absolutely false. However they have pared down the number of excessive option plays, they have started calling plays that complement our recievers skills sets the best. I.E motioning Toomer and finding the soft spot in the zone D (Toomer has been very good at this). Using Burresses size and calling more specific plays that take advantage of his skill vs. heavy option stuff that takes away from his aggressiveness. Also calling designed quick hitting plays with 1-2 primary quick hitting reads like slants and or rollouts designed to hit crossers etc.
It is a quite the change vs. calling predominantly long developing and/or multi-option plays where EVERYONE is a primary read and EACH reciever has up to 5 passing trees to choose from. That type of playcalling could make virtually any Qb's head swim (along with recievers high on AA but short on cerebral ability like Shock and Plax- hence the NUMEROUS mis-reads with a reciever going one way ball going the other).
Did i clear that up enough for you???
Multiple passing trees?
Heh.
You talk our of your ass so much that your breath has got to be alarmingly bad.
Stop with the exagerations and Hyperbole. You act as if every throw he made was 10 feet over peoples head. Were some of his passes off? Sure, every QB has passes that are off, even the great ones. He has thrown some really bad throws and some really good ones. But when you make statements like that, you act is if the guy was the worst QB in the NFL. You don't make the playoffs and win consistantly if your team has a QB that can't hit the broad side of the barn.
The only difference we are seeing now is that he has been MORE consistant. It is not that some magical switch happened in his brain that dropped his throws by 10 feet.
That is why against the Bucs we went with a controlling, short passing game vs. a wide-open style against the Pats. Like Dorgan mentioned above, our offense has been fine-tuned and has actually incorporated MORE plays into the fold as the year progressed. Not less. Not less complicated.
By the way, the point about Toomer is completely false. Toomer has always been regarded as the possession WR because he finds spots. This isn't something new or something that has been used more of. In fact, Toomer has been used more on crossing patterns than before and waggles.
Joe - I admit people call this offense complex - it is. But that has NO CORRELATION to a successful offense suddenly becoming simple. Why does it have to be simplified to succeed?? It doesn't and it hasn't.
That does not equate to simplifying the offense
I just put him on my permanently ignore list.
I don't like to waste time with people who refuse to listen and make up their own facts.
Fuck 'em. Let them live in ignorance.
(cue the Battle Hymn of the Republic playing in the background)
This is America!
Many brave men died so that JJ could retain the right to be an idiot.
If he's a masquerading Canadian, all bets are off.
In the end I guess we agree to disagree.
That's right Barilko, your own word used against you.
: )
Seriously Jerseyjoe, get off your high horse, it's leading you off the deepend.
THIS facet has been pared down. I.E. instead of 10-15 overall options /reads/ adjustments the quarterback and recievers have to collectively make, it is now 5-10 and sometimes less on most of the plays.
Does it mean the playbook has changed? not necessarily. they could just be calling the less thought-intensive/'heavy read and react' type plays and focusing on calling plays that are simpler but still take full advantage of the D formation.
This is a shift to a playcalling based O (where the onus is more on the playcalling) vs. a QB based O (where the onus is more on the Qb to always make the right read)
get it now 'coach' or still too difficult to grasp?
Holy shit - I thought I had seen it all. I think dorgan lost more football knowledge in his morning stool than you've accumulated in the warped world you watch.
I'm with him - I'm done on this thread.
Glory, Glory Hallelujah!!
#2 I dont see anyone here admitting how wrong they were when I have vehemently stood by the fact that this O was one of the most complicated in the entire NFL. Ive said this for 3 years now, very few people here agreed with me
, and of course was unmercifully mocked by the resident wannabe pundits the whole time.
it turns out I was quite right in the face of all the ridiculous criticism here. but yeah of course no one wants to come forth and admit that.
Its much easier to keep pouring on the insults, but Its ok. I have no problem standing by what I know to be true.
This will be proven correct as well and many here will twist it and say that wasnt what I said and make stuff up. Just like the famous 2-9 LOL.
Go back and read the archives I never said anything about a 2-9. However i did say using a similiar defense to what Bill B used against Buffalo in Super Bowl 25.
No one has multiple passing trees. Everyone has multiple routes.
Well, most of it.
some of it?
But those who arent biased can see through my 'inarticulateness' and see exactly what Im talking about.
Instead those with the agenda want to pick on the small inacurracies rather than understanding the whole picture.
Bill Barilko : 11:41 am
One last question - pick any play and explain to us how you know it's been simplified (trees, options, etc eliminated)?
Steve Smith and Bradshaw as well as Boss provide flexibility for all receivers to get open. Smith, mark my words, will be a big player in this league. I gave him a contract in my fantasy league!
Anyway, I actually feel confident in this team now on 3rd downs. Too many options and finally some real good play calling. It seems to have all finally fallen into place and clicked - not just with the players but the coaches calling plays as well.
GMEN: I give Bill B a little leeway because I've seen him drunk and acting as a letch...;)
i don't think they simplified the offense in any significant way. i think they should look at doing that next year though. when the players don't understand what they're supposed to be doing, it's on the coaching. either the coaches' system is too complex or they're not doing a good enough job of preparing their players.
First, he claims to see things oin TV the rest of us don't, then he can't tell the difference between passing trees and patterns and blames it on not knowing the terminology.
So he arrogant but clueless all at the same time. That's quite the Daily Double.
By the way, Dorgan is dead on.
Gilbride changed some things.
Eli fixed some things.
Some of the young guys did some things.
Plax and Amani did their things.
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BBI rocks!!!