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What are the Jets doing?

twostepgiants : 2/29/2008 6:39 pm
They signed Alan Faneca, a 31 year old Guard to a 4 year 32 million contract. 23 million guaranteed.

They traded a 3rd and a 5th rounder for Kris Jenkins and then signed him to a 5 year 35 million contract with 20 mill guaranteed. He will be 29 at years start.

Thats alot of years, alot of cash, alot guaranteed for 2 guys who are not young.

They then trade Jonathan Vilma for a conditional 2009 4th rounder. Vilma is 25. Thats basically giving him away.

Vilma BTW made a Pro Bowl more recently then Jenkins.

They are also looking to move 26 year old DeWayne Robertson.

Now I understand the whole "doesnt fit in their scheme" thing but I have to wonder how the "ManGenuis" came to New York with Robertson at 25 and Vilma at 24 and said let me come up with a scheme that neither of these two guys can play in. Considering they spent three HIGH first round picks in total for these two guys.

The Jets seem to me to be becoming older, more expensive and less talented. They also have less draft picks right now.
Simple  
bleedgiantsblue : 2/29/2008 6:41 pm : link
they're the Jets.
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yankees78 : 2/29/2008 6:42 pm : link
The Jets are just precious
They're trying....  
WHOMYSON : 2/29/2008 6:43 pm : link
to steal the off-season Superbowl trophy away from the Redskins.
The Jets  
Tony Soprano : 2/29/2008 6:46 pm : link
used high draft picks on Vilma and Robertson and then Mangini took over and put in a scheme neither player fits into.
I dont see anything wrong  
KWhite2250 : 2/29/2008 6:46 pm : link
with what they are doing. Their OLine took a hit when they got rid of Kendall thus the 2 kids regressed because the LG SUCKED! Faneca is a pro bowl LG who will fit in nicely as a vet between the 2 young guys. Jenkins is alot better then Robertson. Vilma's knee is very iffy and they have Harris who is a beast. Get what you can. I hope the Jets have a good offseason, would be nice to have both teams good at the same time for once
They are self-destructing...kind of  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/29/2008 6:47 pm : link
I think a 3rd anda 5th for Jenkins is a bit much. Jenkins has slowed down considerably the past couple of years. To give away those two picks, and than give him that much money and those years is too much.

As for Vilma, I understand they had to get rid of him because he doesn't fit their scheme, but I'm surprised all they got for him was a conditional 4th round pick.

Faneca, they needed. Their O-line has been miserable the past few years, since losing McKenize to us. Also, Ferguson has been a huge dissappointment. However, they did give Faneca too much money and years considering he is 31.

I think generally speaking Tannenbaum has dissappointed as a GM. And Mangini bringing a 3-4 scheme when he has personnel better suited for the 4-3 makes no sense. That franchise is a mess.
I wonder if they're kicking themselves...  
WHOMYSON : 2/29/2008 6:48 pm : link
..over not paying Kendall. He probably would have played at a third of the cost and they could have spent the money elsewhere.
Been out all day. Was Isiah named GM of the Jets?  
Stu : 2/29/2008 6:54 pm : link
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They're reliving their past  
TheBigBlueOne : 2/29/2008 6:58 pm : link
Draft blunders in Free Agency mode?
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They are a joke  
Sammo284 : 2/29/2008 7:00 pm : link
They still have no solution at QB. They have an aging RB. They have a defense that is a work in progress.
they will  
Dip : 2/29/2008 7:00 pm : link
have a good oline. especially the left side of that line with Brick, Faneca and Mangold as center. Thats pretty good.
Brick has been a terrible  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/29/2008 7:03 pm : link
disappointment. Wouldn't put too much stock in him...
J-E-S-T-S  
tomtalkin : 2/29/2008 7:08 pm : link
Jests Jests Jests
Agreed on Ferguson  
Sammo284 : 2/29/2008 7:15 pm : link
He has not really developed as hoped.

Mangold has been the biggest find for that o-line.

Wow  
EricNY33 : 2/29/2008 7:48 pm : link
I am a Jets fan who posts here because i have some friends who are Giant fans and it's generally an excellent site, but you guys have to be kidding me. First of all, if you know anything about football you should know that most offensive linemen are good into their mid 30's. Faneca is 31 and is still an elite talent. It's not like they're giving money to someone who is horrible and declining. Plus, the deal isn't even finalized yet. His agent is denying ESPN's report that a deal is in place. I hope it is because it helps us, but nothing is done yet. Secondly, Kris Jenkins is 6'4" 335 lbs and is much more ideal to be playing in the 3-4 defense the coach wants to play. Also, 29 is not old at all. What 3rd or 5th rounder is going to come in and give them what Jenkins will give them right away?

The Vilma trade is conditional, meaning the WORST it will be is a 4th and has the potential to be higher based on how he plays. It's a risk, but if we can get a 2nd for him when all is said and done I won't be upset at all.

Lastly, I don't want to give up Robertson. In fact, I think he'd be an excellent end in the 3-4 scheme. He has played there a few times and has actually shone at that spot. That being said, he is due to make 9.8 million dollars this year, and that is a lot of money for a guy who isn't an ideal fit for the NT position. He was drafted to play the 3 technique in a 4-3 alignment.

One place I do agree, though, is that Mangini was dumb to come in and try to force a 3-4 defense on a team with 4-3 talent. However, it's clear he is dead set on making this defense a 3-4.

As for them getting older... look again. David Harris and Darelle Revis (and yes he's better than Aaron Ross, even though you guys will say otherwise) are both under 25 years old and are going to be around for many years. Kerry Rhodes is 25 and will be in a few Pro Bowls before his career is up. In fact, nobody on the team will be over 31 when the season begins.

As for Ferguson... he hasn't been an elite LT yet, but he's entering his 3rd year now. If he doesn't step it up this year then it might be time to admit he was a mistake. That being said, he still has plenty of time to prove he was worth being the 4th overall pick. He did a pretty good job against Osi when the Jets and Giants played this past season. He has a harder time with bigger DE's, but there is time for him to get better. Maybe, and this is just speculation, but maybe having the revolving door named Adrien Clarke next to him was a reason why his play suffered a bit? An offensive line is only as good as all of its parts. If any team should know that, it's you Giant fans. Outside of Snee, who is an ELITE offensive line talent for you guys?

Lastly, let me end with this. You guys just won the Super Bowl, so enjoy it. Stop worrying about what the Jets are doing. You have an excellent team that is going to be good for a few years, barring some major injury. Hopefully the Jets can get there as well and we can all enjoy our teams being a success.
Smarts  
Simms : 2/29/2008 8:23 pm : link
The only smart thing the Jets seem to have done lately is push for the new stadium to have optics that change the color of the new stadium to display images and green so they do have to hang those stupid green walls. No matter what they do, or what they call it, if they do not win a title it will still be called Giants Stadium.
Nobodying is worrying about the Jets.  
Exit 172 : 2/29/2008 8:23 pm : link
But we do like to discuss the other 31 teams in the NFL, especially the team that shares our local media coverage.
They're trying for a quick turnaround  
Phil in LA : 2/29/2008 8:24 pm : link
they want all the brand strength they can gather as they make their deals on the new stadium.
Think about it  
Simms : 2/29/2008 8:26 pm : link
The fan base sits in GIANTS STADIUM, they have not won a SB since 1969 as the year keeping adding up. The current core is not getting any younger, its hail mary time.
EricNY33  
Nasif08 : 2/29/2008 8:30 pm : link
I would say McKinzie is a top-7 RT in football today...him leaving the Jets started the demise of your OL that you guys are now trying to fix up with spending 2 first rounders on OL help, and now giving Faneca this contract
Maybe now's  
OlyWAJintsFan : 2/29/2008 8:30 pm : link
the time to see if they'd give up Mangold too... I can dream.
Vilma's only......  
rptl530 : 2/29/2008 8:30 pm : link
25?
Phil is on the money as usual  
djm : 2/29/2008 8:42 pm : link
Mangini better hope and pray his team wins some games this season.
This makes more sense on Vilma  
jarrodbunch : 2/29/2008 8:56 pm : link
Just got off the phone with Mike Tannenbaum on a conference call. He said that the Jets aren't getting a conditional pick in 2009 from the Saints for Vilma. He said the deal is for a solid pick THIS YEAR in 2008 and, based on Vilma's production, possibly another pick in 2009. And it sounds like that second one could be a third-rounder.

Well, that changes things a bit.

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Eric  
twostepgiants : 2/29/2008 9:04 pm : link
Im not saying any one move is bad, nonsensical etc, Im saying the direction of the moves as a whole is troubling. Are the Jets "old", no they clearly are not but they did get "older" by jettisioning Vilma and Robertson.

Second, we are still football fans and why cant we wonder and question whats going on with other teams.

Three, spare me the false bravado about Ross vs. Revis. The simple fact is that no one knows after one season which one is better, because its been just one year and there isnt enough info. Do you know how long Jets fans have been running their mouths about this sort of thing? Man I remember Jets fans who claimed Gastineau was better then LT., O' Brien better then Simms, I mean its been an endless run. Even up to some Jets fans chattering about Chad over Eli a few years ago.

Spare me the false bravado about Kerry Rhodes and the Pro Bowls he is going to go to. I mean how many Pro Bowls did you predict Jonathan Vilma to go to? Rhodes looks like a player certainly but lets not count our chickens.

Lastly I wouldnt crow too much about Revis, Harris and Rhodes because you might hire a new coach in a year or two who wants to play the 4-3 and have to trade all of them anyways.
Stop worrying about what the Jets are doing?  
jcn56 : 3/3/2008 2:27 am : link
Try 'Stop laughing about what the Jets are doing' and then maybe you'll be closer.

The only time to worry about the Jets is if they decide to start working a meth lab in the basement of Giants Stadium. Otherwise, they pose no risk to anyone but themselves, and even then the major concern would be they'd manage to blow up the place like they blow up everything else.
I don't really care what they're doing  
Jonny : 3/3/2008 2:39 am : link
and neither do most of us. We're just calling it as we see it. The Jets have some good pieces, sure. But they have been a model of mismanagement, so you have to understand the skepticism.
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