Strahan: Shockey Doesn't Want to be a Giant

"It’s a situation where he doesn’t want to be here; he doesn’t want to play here. That’s obvious with everything that’s going on. I don’t think you really gain much by keeping a guy around, regardless of how well he plays for you, there’s always that tension and that’s one thing you can’t have if you’re expected to go back and repeat and have a team that’s going to get everything you expect out of them.

"You can’t have that tension. You have to have guys there who are happy to be there, not someone who is there and doing his job and no doubt he’d do his job very well, but you just don’t need that extra in the locker room, especially since he is one of the older guys, one of the leaders. You don’t need that out of one of your leaders.

"So I think the best thing for them and for Shockey is if they have the opportunity, let him go. You read the paper; you know it’s like that. I’m not telling you anything that’s a secret. He doesn’t want to be there."

um, where is......?

nothing the media writes about the Shockey situation could possibly be true, there's no smoke!

Shockey. Who is the hot babe in the pic?

and she may have a penis...

on the situation. This is a quote. Not a rumor.

I agree...I think this is the best evidence to date as to how unhappy Shockey truly is as a Giant. I think JR should seriously be looking at our trade options at this point.

you obviously haven't seen the weight watcher commercial (on CNBC all the time). Not crazy about her face, but she has a smoking body.

but Im prepared to back it up...

Look at that package...theres something unnatural going on down there...

WOW she def has something down there!

or she has balls.

...except along the bikini lines.

then she could also have the largest afro, ever!

...but doesn't that mean she's a broad?

what do you guys think we could get for Shockey at this point?

I never thought I'd see mons pubis used in a sentence...much less on BBI!

Maybe a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd with performance escalators.

I think I would take it and move on. One thing we learned from the past few seasons is that team chemistry means a lot! Not worth having a cancer bringing the rest of the team down.

but we wont get fair value for him at this point, especially when its known that he doesnt want to be here. We'll see what happens.

We should get a first round pick at least, considering we were supposedly offered 2nd and 6th round picks in the 2008 draft. The 40th pick in the 2008 draft is at least the equivalent of a 2009 1st round pick, particularly from a team like the Saints, which expect to be drafting in the 20's in 2009.

if that were true, nobody is giving us a 1st round pick for Shockey. If we could get a 2nd I would take it in a heartbeat.

You're exactly right about the value of picks in this past draft vs next years draft. But the fact that he doesnt want to be here takes a lot of leverage away from us. Was Randy Moss really worth just a 4th round pick last year?

...a first round pick plus extra's. Otherwise, he's more valuable to the team at his salary of 1.9M. If he has a good year, they can trade him for a first round pick in 2009 and they will still have had the benefit of him playing for them in 2008. So somebody has to make them an offer now that they don't think will still be available in 2009. Either that or it has to include a player that can help them in 2008.

The difference is that Moss's salary called for 9M in 2007 and 10M in 2008. Shockey's salary is only 1.9M. Ergo, the Raiders couldn't afford to keep him under any circumstances. If there were no trade offers, they would've released him. And he had to agree to a huge paycut from the Patriots in order for the trade go through.

Very different leverage situations.

I have to disagree. Even if he puts up good numbers and increases his trade value, the team could end up being much worse this year WITH him than without him. Look what happened when we got rid of Tiki. Even though we lost his stat production, the team as a whole was much better when they became united. Having an unhappy player with Shockey's personality in the locker room could bring the entire team down. Is it worth it for a Super Bowl champion to take that risk? I don't think so.

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To the people in the know, this is nothing new. I'm sure the Saints were well aware of Shockey's feelings when they made the initial offer to the Giants. That's what Rosenhaus is for.

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You'd risk having him here when you know for a fact that he doesnt want to be here because you dont think you're getting fair value for him? Nobody is going to offer a first round pick for him. They werent before the draft, and they definitely wont know with news of his unwillingness to play here robbing us of any leverage.

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That's a fair point and I'm sure that is something they are concerned about. But this is what they faced with Strahan last year and it worked out okay. Is Shockey as able to put aside his differences and give his 100% the way Strahan did? I'd like to think so. But you can never be sure.

You'll have to google, slash. I will not post a link as the content might not be safe for work. Wikipedia even includes an image. Mons Pubis is latin for pubic mound. You figure it out.

wanted to be a Giant though. Shockey is clearly stating that he doesn't like it here and it's not just about the money. The guy whines about everything and clearly is not a team player. If he thinks the grass is greener on the other side, let's rid ourselves of him and prove to him that that clearly is not the case.

...following the draft when everyone knew it would be problematic to have him backing up Brady following their 1st Super Bowl victory. And that was also a case of a team not willing to give the Pats a first round pick before the draft, but forking it over after the draft.

And just a couple years ago, the Patriots were able to trade Deion Branch to Seattle for a future first round pick even though he had held out of all of training camp (and maybe even into the first couple of weeks of the regular season, my memory is foggy). So how much leverage did the Pats have in that situation?

Two players who didn't want to be with the Patriots, yet they got first round picks for both of them. One key is that the first round picks were in the future. That's a big difference than if the Giants had gotten a 1st rounder in the 2008 draft for Shockey.

from a guy who has the understanding of the locker room and the team the way Strahan does.

a 2010 first round pick I think that would be GREAT! We have no major needs right now and we already have a decent (at least) replacement for Shockey if he is traded.

He just wanted the money. In the spring of 2007, the Giants gave Agnone permission to seek a trade to a team that would pay Strahan what he wanted (probably very similar to what Shockey is trying to do). The only offer they received was a 4th round pick from the Redskins. The Giants said no. So Strahan held out. Shockey will probably do the same thing. But again, so did Deion Branch. And it didn't stop the Patriots from getting a 1st round pick for him.

Those are some great examples that I had forgotten about. The only difference is that Shockey is coming off a major injury. I'd love for you to be right but I just dont see it happening.

...is a very conditional trade package that could include picks in both 2009 and 2010 depending on Shockey's ability to stay healthy and make Pro Bowls.

doesn't hold nearly the same trade value as a franchise QB, DE, WR, or CB.

If we can get a reasonably high 2nd, let him go.

aren't future 1st Round Picks worth less in terms of the point system then a current 1st? I believe that is the case, unless something has changed recently.

it will get done with the Saints, because Payton really wants JS, and JS wants to be there. The Saints give a little more and Shockey takes a little less to make it work. Drew Rosehaus is a master at this stuff. If Shockey comes back strong, he improves that team tremendously. Hope it does not come back to haunt us. IMO.

But look at it from Sean Payton's perspective. He probably signed a four year contract. His first year he takes the team to the NFC Championship game and expectations are high. Then they lay a major league egg in 2007 and now he's facing a pivotal year in 2008. If the Saints don't make the playoffs or worse--finish below 500 once again--suddenly Sean Payton finds himself on the hot seat in 2009.

So who has more value to Sean Payton--Jeremy Shockey or a 2009 first round pick? By the time that 2009 first round pick is reaching his peak, Payton could be the QB coach for the Miami Dolphins. He needs to win now.

but does he make the decision to pull the trigger, or do they have a GM in control?

Now that he's a member of the media, he's become part of the nefarious anti-Shockey cabal that purposely slants the news against Shockey. He can't be trusted anymore.

Sorry, Big Mike, but now you have a credibility gap to go along with the gap in your teeth.

of Shockey going to an NFC team that is only one season removed from being very good.

he will be injured before we play them for the second time anyway.

...Strahan "thinks" that Shockey doesn't want to be here...nothing more.

But it's always possible for ownership to overrule Payton if the team president (or GM, whatever his title is--I think his name is Loomis, but I could be mixed up) makes a good case against him.

This is what happened when Robert Kraft over-ruled Parcells on advice from the GM, Bobby Grier, even though Parcells was supposed to have authority over personnel decisions (the famous Cedric Jones-Terry Glenn debate the night before the draft). And this is why Parcells wanted out.

The only time I know of where ownership did not have the power to over-rule the "persnonnel boss" was when George Young was general manager of the Giants. It was in Young's contract that he was the final authority on all personnel decisions. The only way to over-rule him was to fire him.

I really doubt they're anxious to hand Shockey over to the Saints. The Giants aren't stupid. They know the Saints could very well be competing for the NFC Championship. This isn't "Go Fish". Why hand them what they've publicly been asking for all along....with a healthy dose of the sentiment that Shockey is their "final puzzle piece"?

And not just this year, but with the potential to bite you in the ass for the rest of his career. Shockey, being used like he was his rookie year, can change the landscape of the NFC. The Giants know that. And they know that's what Payton is thinking. Just because we don't choose to use him that way doesn't change that fact. (Many ways to skin a cat...)

Exile him to Oakland. Let him join Gibril Wilson in that football graveyard. They'd actually be fun to watch this year, with Russell, McFadden, Shockey and D-Hall and Asomugha playing together. And Wilson, for sentimental value...and curiosity's sake.

A 2 from NO is not the same as a 2 from OAK.

Are the Raiders interested? Do they have any money left?

Zach Miller.

They aren't interested.

The Saints owner would not give the Giants what they wanted, not Payton. And I doubt that's changed.

BTW, Strahan said this same thing a week ago, didn't he?

Shockey is nowhere near the player he was in 2002. It's not as simple as just using him the same way.

But that's not what we're talking about.

Didn't she just have a baby about a year ago?

This could be good. On the job for 2 days and alreadly bringing the inside out.

I'm sure he's got more common sense than Tiki, but he's also got a big mouth.

and who could be a possible destination for Shockey, we should think back to who were the players back during the draft. The Saints were obvious. However, prior to the draft a couple of teams jumped in the bidding for Shockey, but the stakes never got high enough for Reese to pull the trigger. Based on what we read here, and I was also told, the 2 teams who were bidding for Shockey were the Seahawks....and the Buffalo Bills. Now, if I'm the Giants, I'm loathe to trade Shockey to an NFC team and have him come back and burn them. But an AFC team, no worries.

When you take a step back, the Bills actually make sense as a willing trading partner. The Bills are lingering as this years' version of the Cleveland Browns, meaning a team no one thought about, but were in the playoff race right to the end of the year. The Bills finished 7-9, however, they dropped their last 3 games, so at one point, this team was 7-6 and fell apart when it counted. Looking at the AFC East, the Pats are obviously the class, but the Bills are right there with the Jets and ahead of the rebuilding Dolphins. There is no reason why the Bills cannot be a Wild Card contending team in 2008. They are a team with a good defense (they bolstered it with Marcus Stroud and our buddy Kavika), they've got a good RB (assuming he's not in jail), a nice set of WRs. They've got a bit of an unsettled QB situation with Edwards and Losman and a journeyman TE in Robert Royal. Now, add a Shockey to that mix as a nice option to work in with these young QBs and it helps settle down their offense and puts them in a better position to be in that 9-7/10-6 range which should be good enough for a post season slot.

For the Giants, the allure is obvious, you get Shockey out of the NFC. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd rounder from Buffalo for him, perhaps with some incentives to make the pick greater in the future. And for Reese, he gets the satisfaction of allowing Shockey to get his new contract, at the cost of sending his beach loving ass to a city where they get 2 feet of snow in the blink of an eye.

All eyes are on the Saints, but maybe we should be looking at Buffalo instead.

Enough - lets get some value for him... a 2009 3rd, Eric Johnson & a conditional 2010 pick - enough of the injury prob child.

So why aren't people ripping Strahan for airing dirty laundry in public like this? Tiki is horrible when he says something everyone knows to be true but it's ok if Strahan does it?

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to see Shockey have to move to Buffalo. Him living in that city would be fu*king hysterical! And I also like the idea of trading him to the AFC but I also think his skills have deteriorated greatly.

Well, not ripped, but pointed it out. He's done a better job of picking his target, though.

But then again, I'm sure Tiki could have assumed most Giants fans hated Eli and Coughlin too.

he wants out. All the signs point to it.

actually, I wonder how this would fly. Shockey to the Bills and the Giants get back Robert Royal and a 2nd round pick, and if certain incentives/team performance goals are met, it can turn into a 1st rounder.

Royal is a 255 pound TE, not nearly the player Shockey is (or was), but Royal is a good blocking TE, he's familiar with the NFC East from his Redskins days so that also means the Giants have a book on him. Royal would slot in as a starting TE, with Boss being more of a receiving threat when they go 2 TEs. His contract reads as the following:

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3/11/2006: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal included a $2.5 million signing bonus. 2008: $1.675 million, 2009: $1.525 million, 2010: $1.44 million, 2011: Free Agent

So the Bills wouldn't be breaking their cap up to bring in Shockey for this year, at his $2.2 million (his roster bonus was already likely paid), and for the Giants, Royal comes in at a lower cap figure to slide right in to the TE spot. Granted, it's not a sexy deal, but if the Giants do decide to deal Shockey and will accept $.75 on the dollar for him, it might not be a bad deal all things considered.
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Especially when we don't know what's going on with his leg.

Anyway, I don't see how this really changes anything. I doubt Reese is going to trade Shockey based on what Strahan says. I'm sure everyone in the FO already knows what the deal is. I still think they don't trade unless they get what they want and still believe they can call Shockey's buff and have him play.

I'm basing this on the assumption that the Bills were indeed interested in Shockey prior to the draft. So if they were interested then, with his leg in the shape it was in then, they should still be interested in him now.

Is correct in his analasis, then Reese blew this one big time, because we couldn't get a bag of new fucking footballs for Shockey now. I just hope Reese does not prove to be too hard headed about these types of things. In my opinion he should have known Shockey's feelings, should have known Shockey's track record for being an idiot, and should havve got the best value he will ever get for him, now that he is creating a big problem.

You are not getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him now, the only scenerio i can see us getting good value for him is a contending team, in good cap shape, that loses a good TE in pre season. But now you are not getting crap for him, no chance. Maybe a 4th, MAYBE.

OK, so whena player is unhappy or demands a trade - then we should trade him? Makes sense to me...

before the draft, now we could get absolutely nothing for him.

It's scary.

What can he do - sit out the season in protest?

He can't use T.O. tactics because he doesn't have that kind of resume. T.O. put the Eagles over the hump and made them a SB contender. Does anyone see Shockey doing that for any team? Can anyone guarantee he'll even make it a full season without a significant injury?

If I was Reese, I'd let him sit, deactivate him every game if they have to.

that's where I'm at right now. Fuck what he wants, don't give him a trade. We should be confident in our depth. He wants to cry and moan like a child because he's unhappy.

Let him sit. Deactivate him. When he grows up and wants to be a part of the team, let him come back, who knows maybe it will be just the lesson he needs.

Anyway, I don't read this as Strahan having any inside knowledge. In fact, he says

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he doesn’t want to play here. That’s obvious with everything that’s going on... You read the paper; you know it’s like that. I’m not telling you anything that’s a secret.

Look, if Shockey wants to leave AND if he'll be a total dick next year if he doesn't leave, then we should trade him. But I don't think he definitely wants to leave and I don't think he'll be a dick next year. And I certainly don't think we should trade him to a conference rival with whom we may be competing for a playoff spot.

so the Reese honeymoon has lasted all of 4 1/2 months. Great. Despite winning a SB, having what looks to be another great draft, he blew it and is hard headed.

we deserve a 1st for SHockey?
He isn't even a Top 5 TE anymore and his leg still ain't healthy.
He's injury prone, and I don't think you people realize how severe a injury he had last season. If I remember correct, tehy said he broke his leg and ankle. He is shot. We were lucky to get offered a 2nd from the saints, we should of ran with it. We will be lucky to get a 2nd for him at this point. Since teams now know the truth that he doesn't want to be here, we have less leverage now than at the draft

If we see a #3 or #4 at this point, I call that fortunate. We've lost almost all the bargaining power here.

The time to trade him was before the draft and we passed. If it's true that he wants outta here, which was obvious, we either sit him, cut him, or he becomes a cancer.

Thank you! I'm glad somebody still has some sense around here.

Take off the Blue Goggles guys. It's a big league out there.

So the honeymoon is over, very intelligent statement, if you knock anything Reese does, the honeymoon is over. OK. Knowing a players behavior is not rocket science either, I said, first of all IF, Strahan is correct, first of all. I then said "if true", he should have dumped him when he could get something good for him, MEANING, "IF true", and we are now shoppinmg him shopping him, then it would be a mistake. I also stated that I hoped Reese isn't too hard headed in these types of situations, where, in other words, there is a contract dispute with an idiot. I hope this clarifies my thoughts, disagree with me, but don't make a statement about what I said that is not true, like, the honeymoon is over satatement, who said that but that poster, that is the statement of an ASSHOLE. But I am assuming I did not explain myself correctly when I posted this.

How can you compare Strahan's comments with what Tiki said? What "dirty laundry" is being aired here? Does Strahan question Shockey's leadership skills, intellect, personality or abilities? Does he make public anything that was private? No way. He's just restating what has already been established in the media and draws the conclusion that most people have already drawn: that Shockey wants out.
When will some people on this site stop trying to get the rest of us to cry real tears for Tiki Barber? It's getting ridiculous...

Trade him if it proves to be in our best interest, the jury is still out on that, BUT, Strahan is suggesting we should trade him, so go disagree with him. Good By.

GM's, will make plenty of mistakes guys, OK, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW! If you think otherwise, go see a shrink.

Here's Michael:

"It’s a situation where he doesn’t want to be here; he doesn’t want to play here. That’s obvious with everything that’s going on. I don’t think you really gain much by keeping a guy around, regardless of how well he plays for you, there’s always that tension and that’s one thing you can’t have if you’re expected to go back and repeat and have a team that’s going to get everything you expect out of them.

"You can’t have that tension. You have to have guys there who are happy to be there, not someone who is there and doing his job and no doubt he’d do his job very well, but you just don’t need that extra in the locker room, especially since he is one of the older guys, one of the leaders. You don’t need that out of one of your leaders.

"So I think the best thing for them and for Shockey is if they have the opportunity, let him go. You read the paper; you know it’s like that. I’m not telling you anything that’s a secret. He doesn’t want to be there."

I only said is THIS is true, THEN they made a mistake. I do not know if this is true or for certain. How could I? I know we have people here who know things like this, the asshats, I am not one, nor did i ever clainm to be one.

Sorry to the other posters on this thread, I just am sick and tired of idiotic statements that are purely just to hear themselves talk, and are not open for true discussion.

Strahan said the same thing in an interview on SNY last week. But the way he said it was that he could tell Jeremy was frustrated and that it might be better for him to move on. He did not have any insider info. He was just speaking as an observer. He also said on SNY that Shockey was a great player and that he will play his heart out whatever happens.

I highly doubt the even if Strahan's analysis is true that Reese blew this big time. Unless you think that he blew it by not trading a top 5 TE in the NFL to a conference rival.

Have a little faith, my friend. The guy just won us a Superbowl. Oh, and I recommend you keep the vulgarity out of your posts, it makes you seem unbalanced.

Yes he is coming an injury, but none of us here know how that will effect him. But he is still young, only 27. And we know is his track record, including last year. The Sporting news pointed last week that he is one of only four tight ends to catch 57 passes or more in each of the past four seasons; Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates and Jason Witten are the others.

57 receipts is a lot to just give away for a prospect, and it's a hell of a lot to give to an NFC rival.

Oh, and PaulN, I never said you said the honeymoon was over. I said the honeymoon lasted 4.5 months. So please stop with the multiple hysterical responses.
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He wanted out, they should have dealt him on the draft day.

fucked up by not dealing him to the Saints. A little foresight and this situation would have been avoided.

Oh well. Maybe they deal him for a third or fourth...even a low second...but I doubt it. I think we're stuck with him for the year then we cut him.

It could still be possible to get decent value for Shockey from the Saints. Don't forget that this is the same front office (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) that permitted Ditka to trade away their entire draft for Ricky Williams.

and far too quick to judge JR at this point re his decision not to pull the trigger on trading Shockey for 2nd & 5th row picks. Shockey is a young top 5 2-way TE, and easily worth more than what the Giants have been offered till now. JR wants a proven player, not merely draft picks, and sooner or later a team that really wants him will pony up.

I'm willing to give JR more credit than most here for his "poker" skills. We shall see, have patience.

the Jets trade a 1st for fuckin Doug Jolley?!

You do what's best for the organization and the value of having Shockey play for the Giants this season is far greater than the paltry 3rd rounder they'd likely get at this point.

Make him play, and he can go after this season.

As for the 'tension' - all it will take is one 8-catch, 100 yard game to shut everybody the fook up.

This info is not news. All of a sudden everyone who has been saying that Shockey has been asking for a trade since before the draft are now using Strahan's statement as new info?

Anyway, Reese's job is not to make Jeremy happy. And, although I love Shockey, I really don't care if he's happy. If he can play and contribute to the team, keep him.

If the team gets a few wins under their belts and the media and fans back off of Shockey, he'll be happy. Or as happy as he can be.

..if Shockey stayed here, the Giants start to win, he gets some TDs and yardage building up, all this goes away.

In 2005, the Jets traded down about 20 slots in the trade for Doug Jolley... They used the 2nd round pick to take Mike Nugent...

screams that Strahan's words may have been taken a bit out of context. Just a feeling I get...

but he may have made a mistake by not taking the 2nd and 5th before the draft. That being said, we should all wait to judge because he might pull something out of his hat yet. I am hoping at least....

Keep it shut about the Giants Mike!

i agree...he may hate it in NY, but once the season starts and the TDs and Wins begin, all this goes away

Do we have any sources more than just "reports" that the Saints were offering a 2nd and 4th, or anything like that?

We know there was talks, but before we make it cannon that Reese "failed" to pull the trigger when he should have, I'd like to know what was actually offered.

From Glazer on draft day:

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FOXSports.com has learned that New Orleans early this week offered the Giants a second-round pick in today's draft as well as either a sixth-rounder this year or a fifth in 2009 to get the deal sealed. Despite reports to the contrary, the deal has been on the table for quite some time and remains available today.

Now, when you go back to what I was told prior to the draft on that Thursday and posted on BBI, I was told that Shockey would go for a 2nd and a 5th. Maybe the hangup here was that Reese was not interested in a 2009 5th, but wanted a 2008 5th to seal the deal.
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The Saints Drafted Tracy Poter/2nd & Carl Nicks/5th out of Nebraska. Not saying at all this is who Reese would select whatsoever, but this is the value of talent that you get for Shockey. I wouldn't be happy with this whatsoever. Fuck him, if he doesn't want to be here, but he is under contract and he will play Sept. 4th

I'm not casting aspersions on you or your sources, but it all just seems kind of like a "report" that was then repeated like a game of telephone..

It could very well be true, and if it is then I personally think Reese made a mistake, but it just seems like a rumor without much behind it.

why is that Reese supposedly made a huge mistake? Shock is injured and the value that was offered, he doesn't feel is equal value. It's def a chance that Shockey could pull a T.O. during Training Camp, but this is not a risk Shockey needs to take either. He will go into Camp/Season unhappy, up will up his worth this season, and will probably be traded next year for higher value

Shockey right here and making him play another year rather than getting ripped off in a bad trade.

why is the saints trade such a good trade?

For BlueLou and others, 28 is NOT young in NFL years, especially for an injury prone 2-way TE. Great 2-way TEs generally don't have long careers, at least not at a high level. He hasn't finished a season the last 3 or so years. He's coming off a pretty serious injury.

I generally don't second guess JR or the FO much, if at all lately (I liked the Eli trade, liked the TC hire and the 1 yr. extension, like the Kiwi and Ross picks, etc.), but I probably would've taken the Saints 2nd and 5th.

I'm still optimistic it will work out and wouldn't feel bad at all if the selfish redneck baby went bye bye, preferably to a team like Buffalo.

how some BBIers think they know better than THE team leader of the last decade, Michael Strahan.

The Raiders only received a 4th round pick from the Pats last year for Randy Moss. Randy Moss!!

The Giants should have gladly taken a 2nd round pick from the Saints last April for a broken down, insubordinate, "me first" TE who has zero chemistry with our franchise and Super Bowl MVP QB.

....could have landed us another pass rushing terror like Quentin Groves!

Look @ Randy Moss' Production with the Raiders, he only deserved a 4th rounder. Shockey's production has still been solid, like was stated earlier on this thread his production is still top-5 for TE's in the league.

The Randy Moss deal has nothing to do with the Shockey situation

with the Saints pick I would've taken Trevor Laws

exactly why the Moss trade cannot be compared to Shockey. Very different situation. Go back and read Milton's post if you are unsure.

Zero chemistry with Eli? Is that why Shockey has been in the top 4 for TE receipts since Eli started? Shockey's best year of his career was Eli's first full year starting.

Broke down? Are you privy to Shockey's rehabilitation? No? Then you must be referring to him missing 5 total regular season games in the past 4 years. Or maybe it's his fault that another player landed on his ankle in a freak accident. Like it was Kiwi's fault for having a broken leg, or Strahan's Osi's and Tuck's fault for injuring their feet in 2006.

It's one thing not to like the guy, but stop with the stream of exaggeration. And stop whining about not trading him to a conference rival.

He's got a valuable player and if another team wants him, they'll have to pay up. Shockey's happiness, or lack thereof, is completely irrelevant. Besides, if happiness was important to players, nobody would ever play for Cincinnati.

quote Parcells," I'm not in the business to trade good football players"

regardless. Let's just put that nastiness behind us.

Besides, while most players his age are in their prime, Shockey has already started to slow down. His many injuries have taken their toll. And it's always unlikely that he'll finish any season without missing some time.

I'm tired of the drama.

Shockey's best year was his first (2002). He was a broken down shell by the end of 2005, his so called "best year". Remember how well he played in the division clinching win at Oakland? Oh, that's right....he wasn't on the field. Same can be said of 2006. He wasn't on the field during ther playoff clinching win at Washington. Same can be said of 2007. He wasn't on the field for the playoff clinching win at Buffalo....or the three playoff wins at Tampa, Dallas and Green Bay....or Super Bowl XLII. Do you see the trend here? Shockey hasn't been on the field during our biggest wins of the Coughlin/Eli era. Case closed!

won most of their regular season games in 2007 with Shockey on the field. Without that, they don't go to the playoffs.

Case Closed.

Led the entire team in receiving yards in the 2006 playoff game against Carolina, genius. And in that game he led the team in receipts, along with Toomer and Tiki.

And in 2005 Shockey had 891 yards (3 less than 2002) and 7 TDs. In 2002 he had only 2. His highest yards per reception was in 2005. I think the 5 more TDs are a little more important than the 3 more yards and 9 more receipts that he had in 2002. But keep on throwing out the half truths and lies. It makes you look really really intelligent.

The clincher against Oakland in 2005 was one of Coughlin's biggest victories?!? A win against a 4-11 team? Really?

Speaking of loyalty to your players...how about Tiki's performance in that game!!! Remember the blocking he received from Plaxico downfield...now that's a warrior.

I admit that I hate the way Shockey acts towards this team... but come Sunday's he needs to be in GIANT BLUE

You're just a litte stat guy, aren't you? Face the facts Mr. Fantasy Football.

Giants with Shockey in playoff games: 0-3
Giants without Shockey in playoff games: 4-0

Prior to this past season the Raiders game in '05 was indeed the biggest win of the Coughlin era.

playing out of his mind during the playoffs. That helped us big time. NO stupid turnovers really helped us, which we couldn't say during the regular season. Shockey's value in this offense is two fold. Once in the passing game, and the second, is the most important, is the running game. Our running game, specifically Jacobs, sucked once Shockey went down. Both backs did well in the Buffalo game, but upon closer analysis the plays we ran really had nothing to do with the TE position.

Jacobs on the long TE had a hole a size of a bus to run through and simple out ran Dante Whitner, while Bradshaw's run was the most impressive. We ran power to the right, and the TE failed to seal that side, and Bradshaw basically made that run a successful one.

But overall Shockey's value comes in the form of our running game, and he still poses a threat in the passing game. If he can shut up and get whatever issues worked out, then I'd love him back, because he provides value to this team, in both, the running and passing game.

I guess 0-3 in Playoffs With Shockey....

SF Game wasn't his fault, I don't think he was D'ing up T.O.(although he did make a big drop) and he played well in the Carolina,Philly Games

It's been said over and over again by Giants coaches that its more due to the fact that Steve Smith came back which picked up the Giant offense.

You just have it out for Shock that's all...

and he'll be on the field for us this season with no further drama, I strongly encourage you to get your head on straight.

What does it matter at this point what Reese perceives the value to be? The guy's fckin attitude knocks down that value significantly and could prove very costly in the lockeroom if we don't do something about this and fast.

Some of you need to stop believing this is the same guy that we saw in 2002. He's not

I want him to stay here. If he's healthy, he'll play like a demon, if only to re-make his bones. That would be a sight to see -- him and Eli on the same page, JS rumbling down the field.

Drama queen or not, what Giant fan wouldn't want to see that? The locker room will deal with any BS. They're SuperBowl champions and have the creds to tell him to just shut up and play.

The guy is a warrior, but he wants more $$$ when he does not deserve it, his agent appears to be creating drama for that reason and using the organization as bait, and he has not finished 1 full season healthy since 2002.

Pass on the drama.

is holding on to him until training camp plays out because then Shockey will have even less leverage then he already has. Cooler heads will prevail. Shockey will have no choice but to play, and Jeremy Shockey never less gives then 100 percent on the football field, so anyone who is worried about that or questions that, does not follow Giants football.

Why trade him now, when his value is even lower then it was pre-draft? Reese will only take fair value for Jeremy Shockey, and if he doesn't get it, which he probably won't, #80 will be lined up at Tight End on September 4th. He has no choice. The rest will be worked out on the field during the season as the Giants start winning games.

relax SG...he'll be a Giant Sept 4th, and you'll love it, don't act like you won't

Thank you...cooler heads will prevail. Shock is just a pissed off dude, and he took it out on Reese @ mini-camp. He'll get over it and be on the field

if the Giants are winning games, and Shockey is complaining (not likely), he'll look like a fool to everybody. If they aren't winning games as the defending Super Bowl Champions, they will be criticized regardless of what Shockey has to say, as is the normal in any other season with any other team in the NFL.

This will all be solved on the field.

Emle does not like Shockey. He also places blame on him for the teams lack of playoff wins during his tenure here. Obviously Shockey ran over his dog or something, otherwise this hatred is really unhealthy.

Plaxico's quote about Shockey (which applied to himself, and every player for that matter), speaks volumes on this situation:

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...but as you know, it's a business side first and football second. So whatever happens to him, I wish him the best.

I can't believe anyone out there still believes that the main underlying issue here is not his contract. We (the "royal we") have been over Shockey's contract and the lack of guarenteed money beyond roster bonuses which make him, for all intents and purposes playing on one year contracts through 2011...with a bloated cap figure in the coming seasons which is screaming to either be restructured or he gets cut. Take a step back and look at this from the following scenarios, keeping in mind that it's a business first and football second:

1) The Giants give Shockey his new contract, which will give him guarenteed money and make him happy. Even though he's 28, been injured, and has alot of miles on him, and Boss is on the roster as an able understudy. Additionally, a chunk of money has now gone to Snee. The Giants still need to address Brandon Jacobs, and Eli's deal is up after 2009, so he'll need a new (mega) deal sometime before next season. And Plaxico still hasn't gotten paid yet. Neither has Osi...but Shockey has claimed his share of the available cap space.

2) The Giants don't give Shockey his money, and refuse to trade him because they haven't gotten value back..and because he still has value to the team in 2008 and they'll deal with 2009 after this season. So they expect Shockey to show up and play.

Jerry Reese, being a sane man, went with Door #2. However, this situation happens every year with different guys and often times, it never ends up well. Keyshawn in Tampa, TO in SF and Philly, Branch in NE, etc. Shockey's attitude and comments have him looming in this negative direction. So now it comes down to this, how confident is Reese and the coaching staff in getting a fully involved Shockey on this team. So now you delve into Door #3

3) Shockey is not going to get his money, and he's going to be a distraction on a team trying to win a championship. Considering that the teams plans might have called for him to be released after the season anyway, considering the development of Boss, and the money needed to sign the rest of the core (not the least of which is Eli), the time has come to move him. The Giants will not get full value for him, and probably not even what they were looking for in April (since at the time there might have been hope that Shockey would shut up and play). The mini camp outbursts, IMO sealed his fate with the Giants.

If the Giants feel that Shockey is not going to get in line and do his job and play football in 2008, which after mini-camp is up in the air, I think they have to trade him and be willing to accept less than fair value. If he gets cut next year, they get nothing anyway, and if his future is in doubt after 2008, just get it over with if he's not on board.




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I care about the Giants. Who cares is Shockey is happy? What do I care about? The giants getting the most for him that they can at this point.

Giving Shockey the satisfaction? Ask me I give a damn. So, we blow a 2nd/5th prior to the draft because we didn't want Shockey to get what he wants.

Now he's here and if we end up having to deal him, we get almost nothing.

So, we blew a potential nice deal because we wanted to beat our chests to Shockey? Give me a break.

if you don't give a shit about him go post somewhere else......show a little loyalty to the players on the team. The dude wants to get paid and get some recognition, so the fuck what??? He still plays his ass off on Sundays

Go for it.

He can't stay healthy, he doesn't keep his mouth shut and hasn't since TC came to town in 2004, he's likely using his Agent to try to embarrass the Giants organization.

Now you tell me why this guy deserves more $$$ at the current time. It's not like we proved we cannot win w/o him. We won the whole thing w/o him and I'm sure his ego is hurting. Get over it. Remember who his agent is?

Let the guy come back, honor his current contract, which was extended 2 yrs back and prove that he can still do it.

1)Fans Fill Seats- How many Shockey Jerseys to you see running around? Fans pay for games

2)Top 5 Blocking TE in NFL

3)Top 5 Receiving TE in NFL

4)Firey Player...this is NFL

5)Stretches the Field Plax,Toomer,Smith...you haven't seen a full season with he and all these other weapons @ full capacity.

6)I want to see the two TE set with Boss

7) and he kicks the shit out of Roy Williams

would you like more crybaby?

I agree that Shockey wants more money and this is what this all stems from.

What I don't agree with how you talk with such certainty that the Giants will look to dump Shockey after this year. Even with his salary jump, his cap number is still reasonable in regards to the overall cap as well as other players at his postion, and if he has a pro-bowl year that number looks more like a bargain. If this happens will he be happy with that contract? probably not, but he will also probably guarantee his spot on the roster with a nice bump in salary. Will the Giants be happy if all goes well this year with that number? Yes.

did you ever think the reason Reese kept him is the Giants feel they can get the most out of Shockey on the field? and not on another team for a 2nd round draft pick?

Shockey play in all but 2 of the Giant regular season games last year and only went out when a teammate rolled on his leg a broke it. Can't blame him for that. And who knows what their record would have been in the regular season without him.

He was quiet last year, he didn't say squat. He did what the team asked him to do. Even Coughlin said that. He also has been quiet this whole offseason, except for his recent appearance a few weeks ago.

So you really need to tone down your criticism of him on that regard.

SG...would you like anymore reasons?? or do you just want everyone to get "over it"??

dude is a beast, he's the best TE on NY since Bavaro, relax he'll be great this year

the entire thing blows up into a very ugly mess. Let's hope we clean it up and fast.

My opinion is that ultimately, we either trade him, or we force him to play, in which case he could refuse.

"Reese f#$ked up by not taking the Saints deal when he had the chance in April!" and "How could Reese NOT see that Shockey was going to be a pain?!!!"

Let's keep something in mind...Shockey NEVER came out and publicly stated that he wanted out (matter of fact, he STILL hasn't). Yes by his actions, both verbal and non-verbal (ie not watching practice with his teammates), he's shown that he isn't happy NOW. But that wasn't until mini-camp that Shockey showed anything. It's very possible that Reese believed that although Shockey was upset that all it took was a few comforting words and promises from the coaching staff and everything would be alright. As has been said before, it's quite possible that everything will all be water under the proverbial bridge by the time training camp comes around.

So what happens? Mini-camp comes and Shockey and Reese allegedly get into a screaming match...Shockey give an interview with some kids where he's less than flattering to the Giants...and Shockey voices displeasure about the Giants letting some things out (of course, it was HIS agent that held a press conference regarding this whole mess...but that's how Shockey thinks I guess...he's never to blame when things go wrong).

Before mini-camp many on this very board didn't think that Shockey NEEDED to be traded...because Shockey never came out and said what his thoughts were. So noone really knew WHAT was going on. All Reese could go on is what some players and coaches who have talked to Shockey tell him (this is assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that Reese never spoke to him himself). It's possible that Reese miscalculated just how upset Shockey was. Hey...it happens. But to think Reese FORESAW this happening, or even should've,...and still didn't take the trade with the Saints...well...I don't see YOUR logic there. For those that have been saying what I said above.

Fair enough, cap wise, Shockey is scheduled to make $3.25 million in 2009, with his roster bonus of $2.4 million on top of that, putting him at about $5.6 million. Kinda hefty, $1 million more than his figure for 2007, but not completely horrifying. Come 2010, he's at a base of $3.8, with his roster bonus, tips him over $6 million against the cap at age 30. Not gonna happen.

So, my premise at this point, if he's raising hell this year, the odds are he's going to do it again next year unless the Giants do renegotiate his contract. Considering all the other people that Reese has to attend to, that's not likely to happen. Also, as I said, Eli is going to need his new deal prior to the 2009 season, and he's going to need it from somewhere. More and more, things point in the direction that this will be his last year, if he's not dealt some time this summer.

the rumors that he wanted out if he wanted to be here? The guy said nothing for months and when asked, players said, "I hope he wants to be here, I think he wants to be here...I don't konw if he wants to be here"...That's a pretty good indication that he likely does not want to be here any longer.

I think it was a calculated strategy to blow this up at minicamp and use a potential "TO" like situation to bait the Giants into giving him a new contract. How was that accomplished? His agent is a good culprit.

People aren't going to stop buying Giants tickets or merchandise because Shockey isn't here. At least three guys sold more jerseys for the Giants during the 2007 season and logic would say if you trade him, that means that many of those who already have his would go buy a new one, for a new Giant to support.

The "fiery" thing is the biggest bunch of bull shit ever in any sport.

You keep him because there's no longer any value left out in the market for him worth close to what you think he may be able to do on the field if he stops being a prick.

by the way I was brainstorming, so I should've maybe used your editing first Riggies

I'm sure Reese knew that Shockey wasn't happy. My point is that Reese may've not known just how unhappy Shockey was until Mini-camp...or at least til after the draft was over.

Why is everything a conspiracy with you? From ESPN with Dallas...to Shockey and Rosenhaus....geez, relax man!

But after being very publicly almost traded (and having his reputation dragged through the mud daily), I don't blame him for not coming out and saying that he wanted to stay with the Giants. At that point, he could have been saying to himself 'F them, if they don't want me, I don't want to be there'.

#5 is the main point, I want to see this Passing attack hit on all cylinders

Makes sense...

But, IF Shockey stays healthy this upcoming year, coupled with the fact with the level Eli is playing Quarterback, he could very well have one of his best years. If that happens, it might be in the Giants best interest to re-structure Shockey at the end of next year (Throw him some more money up front) while lowering his salaries for the next couple years to take on the Eli,Jacobs,Burress,Osi contracts. Shockey will probably end up getting the same amount of money that he would have, just more of it guaranteed. The Giants keep their Pro-Bowl Tight End at a reasonable cap number, and he is happy with some money now being guaranteed.

I'm just throwing a situation out there where its not as clear cut as your making it to be that Shockey will be not be a Giant past 2008 if all goes well.

Strahan confirms Shockey wants out


If Strahan is speaking for Shockey, then he should say so. Otherwise this is piss-poor news reporting.
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come on now

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1)Fans Fill Seats- How many Shockey Jerseys to you see running around? Fans pay for games: I saw alot of Phil Simms and Bavaro jerseys too, they got cut. I bought an Arrington jersey when he was signed and they cut him, guess what, I still came to the games and bought a new Plaxico jersey instead. If anything else, that will make the fans buy a new jersey and spend more money! 2)Top 5 Blocking TE in NFL - Ok, as a 2 way TE, Shockey has become a very good blocker. Mike Matthews is a good blocker too. The Giants, without Shockey on the field, ran for about 300 yards vs. the Bills in a monsoon. So it's not like the Giants can never run the ball without him. Will there be a drop off, sure? But it's not like they can win a Super Bowl without his blocking or anything... 3)Top 5 Receiving TE in NFL- Again, Shockey is a good 2 way player, but in the Giants system, and in their current roster, they actually have a number of quality WRs, a stable of RBs, and Boss is no slouch as a receiver. This isn't 2002 when you basically had Shockey, Toomer, and Tiki and that was it. Shockey, in this offense, statistically speaking based on his history will catch about 65 passes for about 700 yards and about 5-7 TDs (assuming he hasn't lost alot from his injury). Boss will probably not reach those levels immediately, but it's not out of the realm to see him catch around 40 balls. So the Giants need to make up that production, and that's where Steve Smith, and Moss/Manningham come in. Smith makes alot of the mid yardage, over the middle catches for first downs that Shockey would do. Will the loss hurt, yes it would, no one is saying Shockey is a bum. Nor is anyone saying that one guy will replace him, but the team has guys on the roster now who can make up for his production. They don't need a Top 5 receiving TE to win. 4)Firey Player...this is NFL- Paging Frank Ferarra. Keith Elias was firey too. Eli's not firey, he must suck. 5)Stretches the Field Plax,Toomer,Smith...you haven't seen a full season with he and all these other weapons @ full capacity.- OK, that's assuming his ankle and leg injuries haven't made him lose a step. Is a potentially slowed down Shockey faster than the younger Boss now? 6)I want to see the two TE set with Boss-- That's cool. But I also want to see the Giants jumbo backfield hammering guys behind Hedgecock and the 3 headed RB monster. How about putting a 3 or 4 WR package out there with Plax, Toomer, Smith, and Moss/Manningham. 7) and he kicks the shit out of Roy Williams- That's fine as well. Of course, Dallas strengthened their overall pass defense with Adam Jones (assuming he doesn't kill anyone) so they can work their schemes to hide Williams more. And Roy Williams has become more and more exposed by lots of guys the past couple of years. If he wasn't a Cowboy, he'd be a nobody cheap shot artist who had a penalty named after him. I think Boss would toy with him too.

To quote Charles De Gaulle: "the graveyards are filled with irreplaceable men."

No, I just love the Giants, that's all!

at this point. I have no doubt they could work around it being gone if necessary (and very well may have to, given all of this nonsense), but with him, we know more of what we have with Jacobs and how effective he can be.

If we're to take Gilbride, Pope, etc. at their word, Smith coming back and contributing was far more of a factor than Shockey being subtracted in our improved efficiency against better than typical regular season competition. Smith's importance, along with Boss getting more involved than he was last season pre-Shockey getting hurt and mixing in Manningham and/or Moss more, would seem to strongly indicate he is about lose even more time as a target in our passing game.

wow thanks for dissecting my points...like i said before i was brainstorming reasons for SG, because he asked for 5 reasons. But, thanks for taking the time to dissect each one.

Put your best players on the field...how about that, should that have been number 1?

that's fine as well, I completely subscribe to keeping your best players on the field, that's why Kiwi will still get snaps at LB. However, as Plaxico said, it's a business first, football second. Sometimes, you can't keep all your best players. This isn't Madden. In the salary cap era, teams let good players go all the time. The Giants would be thrilled to have Shockey on the field with them in 2008, the problem is, the feeling isn't mutual. He wants more money, the Giants won't give it to him. That trumps any point raised on this issue.

this is true...but it still doesn't make sense to trade a Top Talent to a NFC team that could eventually knock you out of the playoffs. This is not good business, he'll be on the field Sept 4 in Blue

to New Orleans or Seattle? As I mentioned yesterday, the Bills called about Shockey before the draft too. They could use him to get them over the hump and become a Wild Card team and take their chances.

The Shockey situation is about money? I have not read anything to suggest its a contract issue.

it's always about the money.

there is a lot of speculation that it is about money, but I think that there is more to the fact that he's pissed that he got hurt while blocking and he wanted to be on the field during the SB

The way a team gels is huge for the success of a team. We won it without him. His best shot for a ring is with us. Let him go to NO or Miami he can pad his stats there.

I've read nothing suggesting Shockey has made any contract demands. I don't think the team or Shockey's camp have implied this either and there was nothing in any of the trade rumors suggesting a revised contract was part of the discussions.

You're right, there weren't any stories in the media about TC getting out coached or Eli needing to demonstrate more leadership before Tiki opened his big fat mouth. He came up with that all on his own.

Of course no one can argue that Tiki isn't a self serving blow hard... however Strahan obviously helped aggravate a situation he didn't really need to.

Pretty obvious parallel... shouldn't let your dislike of Shockey & Tiki blind you to it.

Rosenhaus' standard renegotiation ploy is to have his player throw tantrums and demand to be traded. This gives Rosenhaus the opportunity to shop the player for a larger contract. Rosenhaus has also been accused of contacting other teams surreptitiously, in order to test the waters or to stir up interest in his client. He also leaks stories to the media in order to turn fans against the player and to exert pressure on the team to dump the player or trade him.
So, why is the newest Sports employee of Fox helping Rosenhaus?

True he does use this ploy seems like with all his clients. What about the Briggs situation, that seemed to play out well with all parties involved. He even went so far to say that he would never play a down again for Chicago and he re-upped. I'm hoping this will serve the same outcome

to blow up at minicamp? aka.."if you want me to shut up, give me what I want..trade me, or give me a new contract".

Just cut the cord and move on.

talked about this being a contract issue?

i love people who make up stories

Rosenhaus is his agent, his clients pull the same shit every time they're not happy with the contracts and they usually create drama at inopportune times to get what they want.

1+1=2.

or he is about wanting a new contract...shockey or rosenhaus who both had the opportunity would have said something about the contract..just like his other clients have done..and plax has done

They waited until camp when a major distraction would develop. Thus, they are pressuring the Giants now to give them what they want or let him go.

To do it before camp wouldn't create that distraction. Doing so at minicamp spreads the message..."fck with me, this is what training camp will be like everyday this year".

Get it? Rosenhaus is a scumbag.

for $$$. They don't care about ethics, what's right or wrong, or how low they have to go. As an accountant, people commit massive fraud to make a buck, no matter who they step on or wipe out to do it.

Whatever it takes, that's what Shockey will do. He actually has more leverage than we admit to. He knows if we let him go, the bidders will start and the Saints or Phins will likely sweep him up. If he stays, he's getting more $$$ from us and if we refuse to release him, trade him or give him a new deal, then he'll create a massive distraction prior to the season.

I'm telling you...cut the freakin cord and let it go.

you know it all...

did you drink your Hater-ade for breakfast this morning?
why do you hate shockey so much, he has not publicly said exactly what is wrong...which in a way i kind of respect/ he hasn't pulled the Chad Johnson card, which everyone seems to want to villianize him for

Maybe the Giants have the right to know at this point.

What do you care about more? Shockey or the Giants?

they already know and everything is being discussed through shockey, rosenhaus and the giants

i care about them both...shockey is part of the giants so i care about him too..

If the Giants get to camp and this keeps festering, it will blow up into an ugly mess and a media circus. The Giants do not want that.

He broke his foot, the Giants went on to win the SB. Come back this year and play. Obviously, something is majorly wrong.

I think it's real stupid that some on here buy his nonsense that the Giants disrespected him by not letting him on the field. That's a first class bullshit story planned by either himself or his agent to bait the Giants into getting rid of him or giving him more $$$.

Read between the lines and wake up.

i really doubt that it will turn into a circus at camp...I think Reese/rosenhaus have seen the outcomes of these incidents and both will try to avoid it. I think the Giants are too bright to let these types of situations occur and the leadership on this team will not let it become a distraction

how is this a made-up story?? if you read the articles on Shockey before the SB, all the coaches are quoted to the fact that he was exicted for all this teamates and was nervous for them. he probably wanted to be on the field with them, ala Simms when he was hurt. how do you know this is Bs??

To the best of my knowledge, no one in the know, from either camp, has framed this as a contract dispute, or even suggested any demands have been made. We know Shockey is unhappy with management and have been led to believe he wants to be traded, yet in none of the trade rumors that have surfaced suggested anything about a new contract.

I just don't see the indications this is about a contract, regardless of who Shockey's agent is. Its not like Rosenhause clients aren't capable of having issues ouside of contract disputes. Not to mention Shockey is coming off a season ending injury while watching his team win a SB without him, so he has no leverage to negotiate regardless.

It's about his role and how he has incentives in his contract that he probably will not make because of the way he's used. So it could be that Rosenhaus said, either change the contract (so the $$ is guaranteed and not based on stats he can't fulfill), change the role (so he can meet his incentives), or let Jeremy go somewhere where he can do what he does best and make the most $$$.

And yes, he hasn't gone the Chad Johnson route, even though he has the same agent. So he has tried to keep this inhouse. But my guess is that the Giants either aren't budging or are conflicted internally on how to resolve the issue.

It did seem at the beginning they were trying to make it seem that they really wanted Shockey back and were going use him as more of a receiver (remember Eli saying that he told Shockey that they two hadn't reached their potential as a duo). But they probably have refused to make anything official and that's probably where the conflict lies.

Just pure speculation on my part.

it would be all over the NY and national media

Most indications suggest he's unhappy with his role in the offense, unhappy playing in NY and dealing with the NY media, and wants out of town. You read the same articles the rest of us do. Shockey has no grounds whatsoever to be arguing for a new contract. None.

Depends on how it was done. If he was told he could be there and then all of a sudden no (for whatever reason), that's bad on the Giants part.

And let's not forget that Shockey got KILLED in the media and by fans for sitting up in the booth. It would have been nice if someone from the team came out and said to the media, 'Hey, we made him sit there'.

There were plenty of people who were using that incident alone as proof he wasn't a team player and should be traded.

whether good or bad

of all the complaints said about shockey, he obviously has an issue, but you don't see his face all over ESPN or NY Media, with him running dirty laundry or vouching for a trade. he has kept it in house, or at least tried to.

i vouch for him, probably more so to the fact that i want to see he and Eli's full potential. I've always felt that there chemistry is already on a fine line, and it was showing improvement. This is a selfish reason, but I want to see this offense hit on all cylinders, regardless of who gets paid or not

I know. I especially love when the media claims he always has to be the center of attention, then complain when he doesn't say anything for months. Then he's being 'uncooperative' and not a team player.

He's like Elvis to them.

You're absolutely right about folks and the media bashing the holy hell out of Shockey for not being on the sidelines for the Super Bowl.

Would it be better if Shockey would come out and say "I'm still happy to be here. I want to remain here"? Yes. Would it also had been better if the Giants came out and explained why they didn't allow him on the sidelines? Indeed. It basically pushed the Shockey's a dick-theory further up.

did not allow Shockey on the field during the SB and playoffs. Is that a fact? If so, then of course he's pissed off. I thought that Shockey - for some unknown reason, already decided he didn't want to be out there.