Foxsports-Giants/Saints reach a deal for Shockey?

I just got a free authentic shock jersey!

I hope it's not true

dinn't.

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schieze.

Reese strikes back!

I guess we'll wait and see what the beat guys say.

Glazer. It is nice to have a pick or two in the draft to play with, but we now have a hole on our team that hopefully we can fill with our current guys.

the 2008 Giants

Thanks for the report Y27, it's new...

F*#UY$&(*#*)^!@*&^@)&^!)&(@^*@!&^@*)&!^@(*&^!

that is all.

glazer is pretty reliable

it would happen.

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so it finally happens...

Boss better get his head out of his ass and learn how to fucking run block!

sorry...

i would be relieved

I am very shocked.

Plax's way. He must be pissed.

I actually think this hurts the team significantly

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come home immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

was good enough in April, why is it good enough now?

it's a great trade for us.

but I don't believe there's anyone here to blame but shock himself

You have just been presented an opportunity of a lifetime

GIANTS LEGEND

2ND ROUNDER IS BS!

*sigh*

We sure could've used this 2nd round pick in April.

technically we don't know for sure what the deal may have been

Now we go into the season with a HUGE hole at Tight End.

Kevin Boss and his 5 catches in 4 playoff games =/= automatic hole filled.

shit

does not suffer

and hopefully the saints suck this year

is going to be real pissed in a couple of years.

Once all that Oreo money Eli & Peyton have matures, you know what the next step is....

Happy Birthday Archie! Peyton & Eli just bought you the New Orleans Saints.

First order of business, trade Shockey.

Sorry to see him go.

if it's true I just became a part-time Saints fan. Well, I live closer to NO now than NY.

somebody will take the #80 jersey over.

Doubles for Plax just mean ^catches for Toomer, Smith, Boss & check downs to Jacobs/Bradshaw

Jerome Collins breathes a sigh of relief.

with his scoops, uh oh.

but this might just be best for both sides. Good luck Jeremy. It's unfortunate that he couldn't realize the great situation that he was in. Good luck to you Shock and thanks for everything.

Cap space for what? Anyone left as a F/A or are you talking about the future?

This deal is now worth less than if we took the offer before the draft. I guess Shock's blow up with JR cut into his value because teams knew they couldn't co-exist here.

i admit...i feel depressed.

can play and Darcy Johnson has shown promise, but Shockey will be missed if true.

WFAN is reporting it, I'm thinking he's gone.

me that our trading days are not over. Just a gut feeling.

whyyyyyyy

My day just got worse

Bye.

gonna look very weird. I'll miss the guy a lot. He brought a lot more positives than negatives.

Darcy Johnson, welcome to the big-time.

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3 months ago. I'll see what else I can find out.

of weapons without that pothead.

we won the SB w/o him, aren't some of you overreacting just a tad?

a doctor is PISSED.


and somewhere in the paulie bunker, tears are flowing

one of the best blocking tight ends in the league, still a threat with the ball, takes away concentration in the middle of the field and spreads it to plax and toomer... redskins got better yesterday and i think this makes us worse

I think this is best, it's incredibly depressing and unfortunate. I always liked Shockey. But there is also no one to blame in this situation but Shockey himself.

Don't forget about him.

Man, even with all the drama, I'm going to miss Shockey like hell.

in Louisiana, he will flourish. BIG IF, however. This could be a great trade. I am looking forward to seeing what Reese does with that #2 next year.

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I don't see the need.

I loved Shockey, but he didn't want to be here.

Not happy at all. Though neither was Shockey I guess. One of my favorite players. I hope this falls through, but Glazer is a big fish in this game.

Shit.

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want a guy who doesn't want to play for us?

Good Lord..

He's gonna LOVE the French Quarter!

It will be funny now to see how he'll switch from being underrated to overrated around here...

Eli will be fine!

another one just got worse. Sweet! Ugh...

if he wanted to be here (and play out his current contract) a trade would never have been on the table.

I blame Rosenhaus, he took advantage of shockey's ego.

Fantasy Stock is on the rise.

Championship.

We won a Super Bowl without Shockey. We did not win BECAUSE we did not have Shockey.

Those two are completely correlative.

I still think he would have gotten over his tantrum.

primadonna of an athlete not realizing how good he had it right where he was at.

Sad if true.

maybe we are being punk'd?
Still can't believe this is happening.

I'm not all that broken up. Shockey's Giant career didn't resemble anything close to what I thought it would, though he is a really good player when healthy. He looked like a superstar in the making during his rookie year.

can find. It looks bad on paper just because he's a great player and is an excellent pass catcher and blocker. But we may find out that Shockey had no plans to report to training camp and was simply refusing to play for the Giants. We may find that he basically forced the Giants hand here

handing out hundreds of bead necklaces at Mardi Gras.

I was a HUGE shockey fan. I will be again when he gets his act together.

the giants could have used that pick to draft Trevor Laws, who was drafted about 7 picks later by Philadelphia.. other than that they got more following all of this negative media, then i thought they'd get (if it's true of course)

I was really hoping Shockey would cool down, and report to camp. That everything would work out, and he and the Giants would do great things together this year. This is a very sad day. Shockey was a very important part of the Giants' success. They will be all right in the long run, but right now, things kind of suck.

intensity, I always got a little more pumped when he did his thing after the catch. Who ever thought one of the 2 players who visited Wellington Mara in his last days, would no longer want to be a Giant?

No way JR wanted his distraction either to the team or Eli.

Also, frees up the money necessary for him to announce the finalization of Plax's new deal and the signing of Phillips and Thomas.

Interesting.

I loved Shockey's potential.....but he just didn't seem to ever put it all together!

in the Saints offense.This can come back to haunt the Giants.
The Saints had over 700 yards reciving from 2 guys that would not even make most teams. Shockey will go for 1000 yards and make the Bush matchup really tough.

I have said all spring/summer trade him but not to the Saints. Shockey goes back to being a playmaker/weapon not a TE.

receiver?

Not so much.

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An 2nd and a 5th is a pretty decent haul for an oft-injured TE. Still, Shockey, when healthy, was a top TE in the league. If he comes back to full form we could be bit in the ass. That being said, Boss showed up late last year, so I have high hopes, as long as he can get his blocking down pat.

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We are going to have tons of ammo, 11 or 12 picks.

but it would have been nice to have this done then and grab a TE.

MOOPS beat me

once the mini camp stuff happened, and the Giants were not going to extend his deal, this was the only way out. Be happy the Giants got a 2nd and 5th, which was what they wanted in April anyway. Unfortunately, the Saints figure to be better this year, so the picks won't be as high. Reese's comments last night sealed Shockey's fate.

The Giants have reportedly agreed to trade Jeremy Shockey to the Saints in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks.
Amazing that Shockey cost more than Jonathan Vilma and Jason Taylor. The Giants turned down the same offer in April, but decided that eliminating potential distractions was important enough to trade a good, young talent. They're also clearly confident in second-year man Kevin Boss taking over as a starter. Jul. 21 - 2:15 pm et
Source: FOXSports.com

and hated Reese. NO is better for him. It sucks for the Giants though.

Now all you Shockey haters will see what life without Jeremy will be like.

And Reese did blow it. NO will be better this year and their draft pics will be worse.

saying that this is a bad move must be remembering Shockey's great playoff performance on the way to his Super Bowl MVP...wait...never mind.

Finally glad to get this over with...

I love Shockey...Always have, but the non stop reports and rumors, though maybe not coming from Shockey, but nor did he ever deny them, were getting old and drove into the ground...

Good luck to him in New Orleans...

Yet our offense was much more consistent when Boss was in the game. Shockey, for all of his positives, dropped far too many passes and has terrible route running ability. Moreover, he has clearly voiced his displeasure being a blocker. In Giants Stadium you win by establishing the run, and if Shockey is not going to be part of that then good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out

You can say this is a bad idea if Reese did it. Doesn't Reese deserve the fact that, he knows what he is doing. And if he thinks this was a smart decision, than it was a smart decision. He's all ready proven to be a fantastic drafter, and just got two picks to play with a year from now, one of them a high pick.

but talent wise, we just got a lot worse.

Matthews is a good blocker

And Johnson is a happy combination of the two.

We'll be fine at TE. Johnson was impressive pre-injury.

That would have been a 2008 2nd and 5th.

we did see it...

It started in week 17 against New England.

What am I missing?

It's still huge.

I can't buy the Reese line this time around. If Shockey is traded, it isn't something the Giants wanted to do. It's something they think they needed to do.

coming out of the woodwork.

but at least he didn't go to another team in the NFC EAST; that would have been brutal.

there goes any chance at winning a Super Bowl.

in Reese I trust.

And it looks like Shockey was a d0uche like the leaked stories said.

I think we miss his blocking and too bad we won't see any Shockey-Boss 2 TE sets.

that the Redskins are the team to beat in the East

Shockey couldn't get past his pride and keep his mouth shut. Now he gets his wish. Oh well, hopefully the Saints suck and that is a high second rounder.

(allegedly). More surprised at the timing.

Chemistry is everything.

Nobody has more talent than Dallas.

in a 7 game span this year. Oh, and improves his blocking by about a TON. Ugh, TE is a major hole on this team now.

The anger here on this thread is that this trade does not help the 2008 New York Football Giants. We cannot do anything with the picks until 2009 (obviously), this gives an NFC rival a huge receiving upgrade in a pass-happy offense, and leaves us with a pretty shaky situation at TE.

I really hope we add a veteran TE. Nothing spectacular or even good, just a solid body who can catch to provide depth and insurance. Kevin Boss played well in the 2007 finale against the Patriots and he had a whopping 5 catches in 4 playoff games. Meaning... he's still an unknown.

jacobs

we still need to replace the talent next year though

The Shockey haters will see what life is like without Jeremy? We got a good look a few months ago, and we won the SB.

is that I will see shockey play every year in Carolina and hopefully beat the piss out of those bastards.

I only hope that when Jacobs/Bradshaw/Ward get stuffed on a 3rd and short that some twat doesn't post what a shitty job the backs are doing. We will miss #80's blocking as much as we will miss the other stuff.

getting out of town.

so much for my shockey jersey. It sucks that the Saints are in the conference and this helps them a lot. It also sucks that the draft picks are going to be near the bottom of each round unless the Saints fall apart. This instantly helps both their pass and run games. I hope this doesn't end up costing the Giants in January.

I didn't think it would happen. Sorry to see him go.

JR will bring in some more competition for camp, no doubt in my mind

1st big mistake.

He just said Joba Chamberlain has been "okay" an hour ago.

...too bad.

But hey, April's draft will be big fun!

A fan favorite hits the skids AND the Saints just became a scary team to play.

Am crushed

Shockey may have a 2nd act of the Saints. I doubt he plays more then 10 games though. But the way TC uses the TE Shockey is used up in the Giants scheme. Two #2's next year is sweet.

The man won a Super Bowl in his first year as GM? (Sure EA had a lot to do with the players, etc), but still doesn't Reese deserve the benefit of the doubt, that this was a wise decision for the benefit of the Giants in the future?

No Strahan, Barber, Shockey. This IS Eli's team.

We just got a whole lot weaker at TE...

Short-term this is awful.

but I think it may have been time for him to go.

I'm drawing up some plays with Jacobs lined up at TE.

Led the NFC in 3rd down conversion rate and 1st downs. That was without the keystone to the design of the offense a true recieving mismatch TE. They are going to be tough to get off the field. Brees must be salvitating right now.

BUT at the same time you want to get value for a guy if he doesn't want to be here and I think we did well enough here with two draft picks.

I can see us with a #1, two #2's, two #3's (comp for Gibril Wilson), a #4, two # 5's, two #6's (comp for Kawika Mitchell) and a number 7. With extra picks you have room to maneuver on draft day to go after someone you may like should they drop.

This trade also tells me that they feel TE Darcy Johnson is going to be ready for camp. He has some experience and will become the #3 TE then, I guess.

Funny thing about draft picks is they sometimes don't wind up where you expected them. Just ask Dallas if they thought the Browns choice would be in the 20's.

Its a sad day for giants fans if true. Always thought Shock would retire a Giant. I can't believe they couldn't mediate this problem of blocking and passing routes. Doesn't make sense.

I was having a pretty good day (for a Monday, anyway).

Until now.

What to do with my Shockey jersey now? Collect dust alnog with my Sehorn jersey, I guess.

Damn!

for obvious reasons.

This year my 2nd favorite team will be whoever is playing the Saints.

but not indispensable. have to show team first. he has never played a whole season and we'll see what happens. he'll miss new york and a second and a fifth could be better than a season of discontent or a season on the ir

I'm glad you're not Gilbride!

The Giants wanted a 2nd and 5th in 2008. The Saints danced around with it (2nd and 6th or a 2nd and 2009 5th). The Giants at least are going to still be getting back that second rounder and 5th rounder, and as I said above, I agree not as good as what was on the table. Ultimately, the Giants drew the line in the sand on that 2008 5th rounder and hoped to win Shockey back (without a new contract). It became clear that wasn't going to happen. 3-4 weeks ago, as I posted when I heard it, I was told that Reese re-opened the lines of communication with teams to trade Shockey, and furthermore I was told that (my source) felt he was getting traded during or before camp. I have to think that the Giants were in on the Taylor trade, which is why the Redskins worked so fast to complete it last night. My own guess, and I'll look into it, is the Giants/Dolphins/Saints had been working towards the completion of the deal, with the Saints sending multiple picks to the Dolphins. The Redskins gave up the multiple picks right away, and with the legwork already done between the Giants and Saints, they decided to pull the trigger now and get it over with before camp so all parties can move on. Bottom line, as I had been posting for months, I don't think Shockey was coming back after this year anyway, and certainly not after 2009 with is cap number. They need that money to re-sign Plaxico, Jacobs, and then give a monster deal to Eli. The Giants wanted Shockey for 2008 and go from there, Shockey wasn't interested, it was time to move on.

we will definitley miss his blocking

i like getting picks..but we need to replace the talent

It's more Shockey's fault.

could be good enough this year that the 2nd rounder is about the same as a 3rd rounder.

We're going into camp with two #2 TEs and a #3 TE on the roster.

That's not a good thing...

The running game did not IMPROVE after Tiki left, but the dropoff was insignificant. Best case scenario, that's what we have here: we do not IMPROVE without Shockey on the roster, but the dropoff is minuscule.

fuck

than we could have gotten in April. The Saints' #2 next year will probably be in the 20-25 range (mid to late 50s overall). But it still wouldn't get any better at this point. I do think next year's draft is expected to be deeper than this year.

see you shock, you played with great emotion, but you were an asshole.

Or it could decline because Shock is demanding the ball every 3rd down, taking chances away from Bush, & he makes fun of Drew's birthmark.

if Reese made a huge mistake here. I'm not happy about this. Shockey was one of my favorites. I was always hoping that he would be a Giant this year but all signs pointed to him leaving. This certainly won't help us this year as we lost a great talent. But he's always been very injury prone and it may turn out that his body doesn't have a lot left. Time will tell if this is a mistake.

with 11-12 picks next year, it's going to be interesting. i wonder if they implement a cap structure and we're able to trade up early into the first.

When was the last time you saw Shockey make a play like Boss did on the 45 yard reception in the Super Bowl? Boss is not as explosive as Shockey and likely won't have the same reception totals, but let's stop acting like he is Howard Cross Part II (that is Michael Matthews). In his brief career as a starter, Boss showed a nice ability to get on the same page as Eli and to find soft spots in opposing defenses. If he keeps it up, there is no reason he cannot be a 40-50 catch per year TE during his prime with more than adequate run blocking ability

but it was done so we have the cash to sign Plaxico and Jacobs.

more than the passing game. With S. Smith the Giants will go to more 3-wide and less 2 TE

Thanks for the info. Looks like you were spot on.

Jacobs became a very good blocker as the year went on.
I wouldn't use him like they used Shockey, but Jacobs is a monster and I could see him as a very good blocker and it's another way to get him and Bradshaw on the field at the same time.

He really wasn't utilized to his full potential in the passing game under Coughlin.

With Smith coming on and now Mannghim in the wings, Eli has only so many balls to go around...

Those grapes ain't all sour....

That's just silly.

I think you nailed it...When Shockey managed to hold onto a pass, how many times did you see him turn around and just go to the ground...he showed none of the explosiveness he had in his first few years.

a lot more three wide sets this year.

I'm glad the Giants got a 2nd for him. It's clear that he needed to be dealt. This was an oil and vinegar situation that would have caused a major distraction the team did not need in their attempt to repeat. Boss will surprise a lot of folks but, at least right now, he doesn't have the talent that Shockey showed a couple of years back. In the end, I think all will be fine.

with the players that Reese takes in next year's 2nd and 5th rounds. The New Giants Dynasty just got ahead of schedule.

new contract very soon.

It will be interesting to see what Shockey says when he does go. My bet is the NY media will miss him the most.

Is having the talent on the field with a player that is often injured/slowing down/doesn't want to play for NY, better than NOT having the issues he would bring to the locker room? I think we are forgetting that Shockey was not nearly the guy we saw as a rookie. I hate to say it, but I think not having the distraction will benefit the Giants more than having his talent on the field.

next year?

'Shock'ed is the only way to describe it. Philcore, I have 2 shockey jerseys as well, looks like they are going to the back of the closet with #21. I'm gonna miss Shock, but I'm not gonna miss the drama that surrounds him. Boss, Darcy and MM better be ready.

Drew Brees' Fantast stock just shot up.

Thanks for the memories #80.

But I prefer the picks over Taylor.

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the Saints tight ends last year (Johnson and Miller) combined for 75 receptions, 706 yards and 4td.

Shockey had 57 receptions, 619 yards and 3 td's last year.

in the regular season with 440 last year. He completed over 67% of his passes. Without a Shockey type TE the offense is designed for. Most 1st downs and best 3rd down conversion, NFL record for completions a 67% completion rate and now they have Shockey. Plus its going to free Bush up. N.O. will have the best offense in the NFC next year. Better then the Boys.

but can we hold back from comments like this:

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When Shockey managed to hold onto a pass, how many times did you see him turn around and just go to the ground...he showed none of the explosiveness he had in his first few years.

Shockey is gone it appears. Let's not make him out to be either the best player ever to wear blue or that he was some sort of liability on the field.

If we didn't play the Saints this year, I'd feel better about the trade. But even then, I think we will have a glaring need at blocking, and we will have to utilize 1-dimensional TE's to do the two jobs shockey did well.

that Dallas, Philly, and Washington have added I am starting to get very nervous about all the subtractions our team has made. Everyone in the NFC East has made efforts to bolster their rosters except the Giants.

My main concern is when we play Dallas. Shockey always stretched the field against them which opened things up for other guys. I don't see Boss being able to do the same. I hope I am wrong.

Who are the big TE's to watch in college football this year? I only know the University of Miami's roster and they don't have anything coming out next year.

Fantasy stock got higher, but only for the first few games until Shock re-injures himself. By the way, he still isn't ready to practice 100 % yet.

Why?

Kiwi can go to LB.

Tuck can move around.

Jacobs has lined up at WR for us before.

Shockey has been split out wide.

You guys act like a guy can only do one thing for a football team.

I guess you scratch your heads every time Vrabel catches a TD from Tom Brady too.

Please god--no!

Bingo!

JS gone keeps this team focused on repeating & not fiddling for answers as to why their TE isn't on the field with them.

it had to be done. We have 5 WRs and Boss behind Plax - they will ease the burden in the passing game. The emergence of Steve Smith as a legit #2 becomes all the more important as well.

I'm relieved.

But how about Reese sticking to his guns, not caving in, and eventually getting his way??? Wow...

BJac..

I think inside the team there really was a feeling (after the play-off run without Shockey) that his talent and contribution to the team was far outweighed by his devisive, distration-prone, spoiled child personna. You must factor in his failure to work-out with the team offseason, his obvious displeasure with his role, his many and significant injuries, his dropped passes, and his disrespect for the leadership of his young quaterback. I AM GLAD TO SEE HIM GO. A spoiled brat makes it hard for the committed guys to stay on task and solidify as one cohesive unit.

get that pick up.

then I can say that I'm a little disappointed that things between the Giants and Shockey didn't work out. Shockey is still a very good TE and his blocking abilities (all around TE) will be missed to a degree. However, if he was/is going to be detrimental to the team and he's truly unhappy here then it is a wise decision to move him. Wish him the best.

Giants will and can win with or without him.

That Shockey forced his way off the Giants? There's no way the Giants would have traded him if he wanted to play for them. The Saints have as much chance of picking 1st in the 2nd round as they do last. No one knows at this point who the playoff teams will be. In 07 the Cowboys thought they stole a top 10 or even top 5 08 pick from the Browns and it wound up in the 20's. Save the nonsense about it being close to a 3rd rounder. No one knows. This was the best trade out there for a player who was going to try to do to the Giants what Owens did the to the Eagles. The Giants won't miss him on 3rd and 2 either. They'll bring in another linemen. They'll miss him more on 3rd and 10. He will be missed on the field but he forced his way off the team. So good luck in NO until he breaks down again, which won't take long.

shit

...because he knew he'd be blamed by the press and a lot of fans if the Giants didn't repeat as SB champs. As far as he's concerned, there was no upside for him to stay.

Shockey is probably too sensitive, but F the media for constantly ragging on him like he's some sort of criminal. You'd think the guy was Pac Man Jones with some of the crap that was writen about him by the beat writers and some posters here.

When we have three guys on the roster (Matthews, Johnson and Boss) who all have potential.

that is going to be a scary good offense this year. They have to be considered a major contender in the NFC.

Thanks for the memories.

Eli Manning's team. No Tiki, Strahan or shockey. These are Eli Manning's Giants

and criticize eli and coughlin?

It would take some balls now though, considering they just one the Superbowl without him.

I just want that draft pick to be the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

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Show me where the Giants and the Siants play this coming season?
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nothing against them but a high second is worth more.

was correct. He could not have been a happy camper....

I always thought eventually, he'd see the light. But, he didn't, so we move on. This leaves us great flexibility for next yr's draft. We still have more than enough weapons in Plax, Toomer, Jacobs, Bradshaw, Boss, Ward, Manningham, Moss, etc. etc. etc.

WE NOW KNOW NO DOUBT SHOCKEY WAS A DISTRACTION TO ELI PERFORMANCE

Gotcha, makes perfect sense. I misunderstood.

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just curious. How many times did you scan up and down that schedule to make sure you were right before you posted that link?? ;-)

The Giants agree. The PR machine has been working towards this as well. Pat Hanlon is good at his job. The moment that arguement with Reese was leaked to Vinnie DiTrani, in my mind, that was the beginning of Shockey's obit on the Giants. They were painting him as a malcontent not happy with the team, and his actions did nothing to change it. Throw in Plaxico, Strahan, and Tuck's comments about moving him on if he doesn't want to be there...and Reese's eerily similar statement in the press this morning, Shockey was a goner, it was a matter of when. The next key, let's see what happens with Shockey's contract in New Orleans, and how fast he either gets a new deal, or they agree to guarentee parts in his remaining salary.

We weren't able to get a first rounder out of it so a second rounder was just as good. Shockey hasn't played a 16 game season yet so this might end up being a steal for us.

I think the team is now weaker at TE. They'll miss a lot things he does and does well.


That said, this is good value for a good player and it seems like something had to give if the relationship between him and the Giants was as fractured as it appeared to be.

Wikipedia already lists him as a Saint. I'm glad my boy Drew Brees has a new target.

Shockey or not. They can keep Bush, Brees and whoever - I'll take this NYG offense at any position anyday.

was looking very good in camp last year before he got hurt. He's a real wild card in the situation. He is more like a combination of Boss and Matthews. He is a solid blocker and pass catcher.

but hey...that extra 2nd and 5 next year are SUUUUURE gonna look nice. Whether the Saints do well or not.

I'm really not all that upset about this. Yeah I've always thought Shockey makes the team better but I have no doubt we'll be fine.

he's gonna go off and we are gonna play NO in the playoffs this year.

I hate this trade

Fatman, only if they find a defense somewhere. The Saints may regret not using those picks to find a defensive player.

Mike, yep, we don't make this deal unless they think Boss is for real.

Shockey is not the same player he was 7 years ago. Let's see what happens when he starts grousing about Colsten and Bush getting the catches or he gets hurt again or he starts dropping passes like he did this year. Shockey is a nice player but let's stop pretending he's another Mike Ditka. He's probably the 3rd best tight end in our own division.

and now you have me scanning it again. Did I miss anything?

Who failed to pull the trigger? Assuming the picks from the Saints are this year, it appears to be a better offer than what the Redskins gave (unless you assume that the Saints finish much higher than the Skins).

Guess today is the last time...

It would be difficult to show you that. It would be easier to say I was wrong.

the playoff schedule isn't set yet.

Meh....
I was hoping the animosity could be worked out, but apparently the differences were irreconcilable.

With a Reese/Coughlin administration the animals will never run the circus.

I've predicted it for quite some time both on and off BBI. This makes perfect sense with the direction that Coughlin/Reese have taken over the past several years. The last of the malcontents is gone! Now let's see what kind of additional gold Reese can mine in next year's draft with two more picks.

about the leak to DiTrani. The Giants were clearly preparing to trade him and were looking to paint him as definitively wanting out.

my guess is that the Giants wanted Taylor to renegotiate his contract before agreeing to a trade. The Redskins did not have the stipulation. The Dolphins wanted multiple picks (centered around a 2nd rounder) and Taylor the hell off the team. The Redskins were happy to oblige, without asking for time to renegotiate a new contract, at least not as a precursor to a deal.

He'll be on the DL when we play the Saints in the playoffs. He hasn't played 16 games yet in his career.

gonna get any more Super Bowl rings now

That makes sense.

get any negativity towards Shockey. Why can't we appreciate what he gave us and move on without resorting to childishness?

I've seen very few players, since Jim Brown that played with the fire that Shockey played with.

I feel sad for him, that he couldn't get over the "hurt" he felt the team inflicted on him, and sad for for the team, that we lost a very good player.

The Giants won last year, when they lost him to injury, not because he was gone, but because they made the necessary adjustments.

When Tiki left, it took four to replace him; maybe Boss, Matthews, Darcy can replace him, I don't know.....

What I do know - is that the rest of the NFL East is celebrating.

Something else I know - that target on our backs (that all Superbowl defending champions wear), just got a little bigger and easier to hit.

im fuckin pissed right now, off to work

Enough with the injury prone stuff.

Shockey was a good player, who gave it all on the field, and did everything asked of him well. Not the greatest ever, not the worst, but now that he's gone, he has to be replaced. Likely we will have to do it with 2 1 dimensional players instead of one very well rounded one. And it's possible each of those replacements isn't as good as Shockey was at either half of his job.

they need to abandon the pretence and just say that Kiwi is going back to DE and will share snaps with Tuck & Osi.

I hate this deal right now

How good is that going to work out? Remains to be seen.

we still got that deal. Great, great, great!!!

will move Kiwi to TE. He's got the size...

Loved him when he first came into the league... but I'm not sad to see him go at this point.

Pretty good value coming back.

Dont throw away your #80 jerseys yet. It can be recycled for a great player

interesting point about Shockey and the renegotiating of his contract in NO. Have to see how that works out and keeping Shockey happy.

but he's getting older and I think this trade will help our QB a lot.

will end up next to the Barber #21 on the discount rack.

Sad part is, I was a big Shockey fan at first. But is antics got old the last couple of seasons. He had great fan good will, but like Farve, pissed it away.

They'll do that only if they move Tuck to DT full time. They want both guys on the field full time.

Hush, you two. I'm going back inside my box to do more thinking.

My Kannel, Sehorn, and now Shockey jersey!

as much as it indicates a strong confidence, and an announcement of offensive philosophical change to, Smith, Moss, and the WR corps.

the first pre-season game against the Texans. Shockey looking to nail the DB when he could have made a move on him.

Enjoy playing on the Superdome surface for maybe 8 games next year. Shockey has become beaten, battered and bruised.

We proved HE doesn't make a difference on our TEAM.

See ya

that kept Eli from being a Super Bowl MVP after all.

Baby Bavaro will be fine.

So long Shock, don't let the door hit you in the ass...

then you have another jersey. Right now, your Sehorn jersey is an Aaron Ross jersey. You can have the names changed.

Based on the compensation, Shockey is worth more than Jason Taylor. That's contrary to what most people on this board were saying.

I'm sure the deal is pending a physical by Shockey. They must believe he'll pass it?

Shockey gets current contract money guaranteed, or a new extension before the season begins.

same here.

Until I purchased an Eli jersey this year, I've only owned two Giants jerseys my entire life.

Simms and Shockey.

yesterday and passed a guy in a #5 Collins jersey.

I think in 2010, I'll be chuckling the same way when I see a guy walk in with a Shockey one....

I was hoping they'd work it out.

is there a direct quote from one of the coaches supporting that full-time intention?

I'm experiencing some cognitive dissonance here. Keeping Kiwi at SAM and trying to trade for Taylor seem to be contradictory. Unless they think Kiwi is going to be a stud LB. I think Matt in SGS is one of the board's most valuable posters but I'm not sure I believe this idea.

ESPN uses this as another reason the Giants will only win 2 games this year...even though they've spent the last half year saying the Giants are better without Shockey.


Well we don't have Shockey anymore. Okay ESPN, put us at the top of your power rankings.

not happy at all

that's all i'll say

is that Shockey couldn't have come up with that catch and run that Boss had.

That one catch.

One.

Catch.

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...in the end he finishes as the 3rd best Tight End in team history - not too shabby.

As much as I dislike Shockey's personality, I WILL miss his blocking - I expect the rushing attack to suffer.

We should of did this last draft, we could of drafted a linebacker with the #2. Good luck in NO Shockey.

Shockey would have taken that catch to the house.

but it is no suprise that the minute all of the loud mouth me first players(Petigout, Feely, Tiki and Shockey)were absent from the locker room. The giants and Eli started playing their best ball. Shockey will be missed but not by much. Also I think getting two good picks for a tight end who is always hurt, slowing down and getting older. Was a steal by Reese(should have made the trade in april). Maybe the reason Kevin Boss and Eli had such a good connection might have been because Boss was always where he was suppose to be at the right time.

I don't think there's any doubt that this trade weakens the Giants in 2008. But I still support the trade.

#2 pick + $4mm > Shockey

trying to make a point, eh?

a chance to develop Johnson or someone else and 2 good picks for next yr's draft.

I love this. We won the SB w/o him late in the year. We can do this. I cannot believe we still got this deal.

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which means more oppurtunities for Steve Smith in the slot in a 3 wide set. I like our chances in that set up.

I leave BBI for a minute to do a little work and this???

What next, Eli traded to the Bears for a 3rd and 4th?

Eli will blossom in the three wides with Plax, Toomer and Smith/Manningham/Moss. Chemistry-wise a great move. Also, Shockey would not have been 100% coming off the broken leg so to get a 2nd and a 5th in next years draft is big.

The only negative is in run blocking where Shockey excelled. Boss is nowhere near ready for that load so Matthews will be the every down TE. Our TE play is not as important as Dallas with Witten or KC with Gonzales.

Looks like I'll have to find some other use for my Shockey jersey.

Reese sends a clear message that it's his way or the highway. I don't mind that idea so much when I know my GM can draft his butt off. Would have been nice to see a healthy and happy Shockey w/ an Eli that has his crap together, but going forward, how healthy and happy would Shockey have been?

chasing away Tiki, Strahan and Shockey...the best trio in Giants history...damnit, Eli!

Man I hope Boss is coached up alot on his blocking in training camp. I was looking forward to seeing Shockey come back this year.

FYI

HEY!!!! Watch it!

Mixed emotions. I didn't like the antics on the sideline but I loved the effort on the field.He was a goo dblocker even if he didn't want to do it. More pressure on Boss now!

it's obvious that Payton wined and dined Shockey and bribed him with illusions of grandeur...

but I'm still unsure of this move. Maybe it's because of the Jason Taylor move less than 24 hours ago. But this leaves a somewhat bad taste in my mouth.

that Plax gets his extension before Thursday?

That was a nasty injury he incurred and it occurred at the end of the year. How long until he's 100%? How long until he can help the Saints?

They are very pumped up. And NO is playing the Falcons here this year so maybe we'll go to the game. Not like the Falcons sell out LOL!

I do my best. But some chumps never listen to me just because I couldn't have made that catch and run that Boss had. Remember that catch? That. One. Catch?

Jeremy hasn't been the same in a couple of years. He makes a catch and goes right down more often than not. He is part of the old guard. Lots of drops. Very good blocker but too much of a cancer.

Getting a 2 and 5 is a good deal. I wish him nothing but the best. and we did win more without him.

I don't see it that way. The Giants are big about DL rotation. I think if they traded for Taylor, he slots in Strahan's spot at starter, and you'll have seen the Giants rotate the spots, where Osi would get a break, Taylor would shift to the weakside and Tuck would replace him on the strong side. On passing downs, the Giants would have used Taylor in Strahan's spot on the strongside, with Tuck and Kiwi at DT, just like last year. Taylor would have become Strahan, except he'd have slotted in for Osi on the weakside, which is something Strahan didn't do. And come the 4th quarter, you'd have had that group to contend with...all relatively fresh.

sorry Danny... =)

on Opening Day.

That's gonna feel weird...

a 2 and a 5 is fair value. i'm glad this mess was cleaned up before friday. js should be happy now and a major distraction averted.
meet the new boss (apologies to the who fans out there).

So long #80...

after every play for some other team.

And he's coming off a broken leg. I would've done it for a 3rd rounder

no argument here. I think rotating all DL is a great idea. But if you want to do it enough to trade for Taylor, why not move Kiwi back to DE? (And put in Alford as the 4th DL in the Four Aces?)

It's not Eli it's Abby....call her Oko Manning.

You know two Saints fans. Can you take a picture I would like to see them. I meet a KC Royals fan yesterday, he seemed normal.

Two picks @ 32, and between 33-40, and then another second round pick @64?

Thats pretty good

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BSPN

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thats it for me, Only buying Throwbacks from now on seems like a good idea

@65....

now and in the future. Get rid of the distraction in the short term and get a couple of long term prospects for a TE with a history of injuries. Shockey has already lost a step and probably doesn't have many good years left IMO.

My only complaint is that the Saints will probably be better this year and those draft picks may not be as good as they could have been if we took the deal in April.

out of all areas, I will be very, very focused on our running game. Hopefully we change some of our plays and compensate for Shockey's loss.

All good points. But Shockey was traded because he forced the Giants into a position where they were afraid that he'd ruin their season the way Owens torpedoed the Eagles. They certainly wanted him as football player. Just not the person that goes with it. Also to paraphrase the incredibly overrated Theo Epstein. The Giants got Jeremy Shockey's best years. It really remains to be seen how much he has left in the tank at this point. He's certainly lost some speed and his pass catching has gotten progressively worse the last few years. I think Sean Peyton is smart enough to know that if he's uses Shockey as an in line blocker the same percentage of the time the Giants did that he won't hold up for a full season. I hope if Shockey becomes a Gates/Gonzalez type TE/WR for the Saints Giants fan realize that he wouldn't be that player in NY because TC has no use for that type of TE. See Pete Mitchell vs. Kyle Brady from way back when. TC wants an in line mauler. I hope the Giants have one ready because it's not Boss.

says it's a done deal.
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going to have to come up with a new name on BBI.

no problem at all he didnt want to be here

but it could come crashing down if js fails his physical.

The Saints may still get cold feet if he opens his mouth over the next few days. Given his injury history it would be easy to flunk him.

the happiest guy in New Orleans is Reggie Bush.

is very interesting

I have been reading, though not posting on, the Eagles.com board, extremeskins, and a cowboy board for about 6 years

Never once in that time have i heard a good word uttered about Shockey by any of those fan bases. He's overrated, Cooley is way better, Witten is way better, LJ Smith is better (according to eagle fans at one point). He cannot block, hes a headache, a cancer, etc

So you would think the Giants dealing him would be met with a lot of "good move" responses

Nope. Now all of a sudden Mr. Overrated is the best TE to ever play the game and we will miss him dearly

forgot about the physical.

fail JS FAIL!

then come back, shut up, and play!

weighs in.
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Vito Spatafore is available as a handle
as is Coach Justy

Completely predictable, but still funny...

its time for a new handle!

this frees up money for a possible Jacobs extension?

JS, receiving that jersey was like the nail in the coffin I guess. Complete jinx

So on Skins/Eagles/Cowboys boards they think their players are the greatest in the NFL? And you are shocked to see BBI now thinks Shockey was great?

where it has all the players salaries and contract info

I don't know about Jacobs, but I now expect Plax's deal to be announced within the week.

We have a legitimate shot to move up into the first round


I like Al Woods of LSU and Fili Moala of USC

the Lavar Arrington saga on BBI. "Overrated" for 6 years and then a lock for a major impact and 10+ sacks.

I don't understand your point, and it has nothing to do with what I said

in the NFC Championship game

That is a fair point

All fans do this, im not saying Giant fans are exempt

had like 3 yrs 8.775 left on contract at least plus signing bonus

farewell
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so true. Look for RodneyHamp to make his appearance in Mets threads once the trade becomes official!

so we should take the actual trade as a solid and reasoned appraisal of Shockey's worth to the experts. A 2nd and a 5th means we lost a pretty good veteran player but one who may have been worth more to the Saints than to other teams because of their offensive system.

he wanted out

Im not really sappy about Shockey no longer being a Giant. He wanted this. He was one of my favorite all time athletes for a short period, but he went out like a whiny little bitch

Hope he does nothing with the Saints

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You have to admit that on the Cowboys' board, their love for Roy Williams was completely destroyed by watching #80 kick his ass in just about every meeting.

Could turn a 2 and a 5 into a 3 and a 6….way too funny. It’s a fine trade. Shockey had to go….it’s obvious he wanted out and would have been a huge distraction, with SB champ doesn’t need. He was the last player that tried to overshadow Eli. Before Shockey, it was Tiki. Everyone on that offense now looks to Eli, not beyond him.

was a force to be reckoned with. Teams that play us will not have to deal with a presence like Shockey anymore. Yes, we have other players but Shockey gave us a swagger that we will miss. On the other hand Eli will evolve and be that guy who makes us forget we had Shock. I will not forget him and he will be awesome on the Saints with Bush, Colston and Brees.

but in this case, my fondest wish is that one of his myriad weak spots--feet and ankles--show up before the end of the exhibition season. I don't believe he is capable of a complete healthy season, and given his antics, good riddance to him.

What a whiner.

#89 on Redskins did more damage to Roy Williams in one game then Shockey did his whole career.

on the field and in the draft room - that's the good news. I wish the guy luck in New Orleans. I think he'll do well - Brees was pretty good with Gates back in SD. Now Shockey's no Gates at this point, but with NO's weapons on Offense, Jeremy will do well if he can stay on the field (he'll probably end up playing all 16 this year!). And the Giants got 2 picks out of the deal - apparently refusal and time did not kill the deal.

Bottom line, the guy didn't want to play here and wanted to move on. The Giants only want positives in the lockerroom - Jeremy was perceived as a deviation to what made them successful on that end in 07-08.

The media will sensationalize this - probably show video of Shockey beating Williams for the 10th time, show him running over that shit-talking safety from Indy a few years ago, golden locks swaying in the wind, tattoos blazing, Pro-Bowl TE, etc - as they should. It makes New Orleans better...remains to be seen what (if anything) it does to the Giants this year.

Steve Smith and Bradshaw. Instead, he played last season with Sinorice Moss and Reuben Droughns. Big difference

And hope he tears it up down in NO

The Giants are all about team and will be better off in the long run without the headache. The Giants just don't feature the TE position enough for Shockey's ego. Jerry Reese will make the 2nd and the 5th pay off next April. I was always a Shockey fan, but I must admit that he would piss me off with his tantrums and dropped balls. The Giants are a flagship NFL franchise that just won the Superbowl. The Saints haven't won d!ck. The Giants play for the greatest fans in the world in the largest media market in the world while the Saints play in a city that is still ravaged and is only partially rebuilt. The Giants will soon play in a state-of-the-art stadium while the stadium situation in New Orleans is bad at best. I think that this a case of "the grass is always greener" and Shockey may regret this move in the long run. Shockey did have some good seasons with Sean Payton so let's see what happens. The Kevin Boss era has officially begun.

I didn't think we'd get that much for Shockey after the Miami/Skins deal. Second round picks are gold- almost first round talent without the negotiation/salary hassle.<p>

Shockey is a special talent and a crappy person. He tended to put himself ahead of the team, was often a distraction, couldn't stay on the field, and I don't think he got along that well with Manning either.<p>

I can't believe people are whining about how we're going to miss his blocking ability. Nobody cried for blocking like this when Cross retired...<p>

I hope he does well in NO, but I'm happy we got what we did for him before training camp started. Great move by Reese IMO.

receiving this year. For all those who don't think Boss can do the job, Shockey was not a great blocker for at least his first year and maybe into his second. IMHO, Boss is as fast as Shockey and does have better hands. Not sure he will block as well as Shockey this year, still, but he started out as big as Shockey in his rookie year - 6'5" 255. He needed to get stronger and he probably did, since he was not worn out by the season.

Look, we all loved Shockey, but he was becoming as huge problem and needed to move on. I'm happy to get the picks. Reese (and Coughlin) didn't need distractions after coming off the Super Bowl - we all know how the Giants haved fared in the past.

Boss will be just fine and he will eat up safeties and linebackers as well as Shockey did. With the emergence of Steve Smith and the drafting of Mario Manningham, the offense will still be dominant.

Finally, this does truly free up miney for Plax and maybe Brandon. Remember also, Eli needs to be re-signed.

will have to choose someone else as the whipping boy

saints will be dangerous if shockey stays healthy

hopefully the young guys can step up in the blocking game and passing game

i think the saints will definitley finish better than they did last year

we play the Saints in the playoffs, Shockey will be licking his chops to beat us. It will be up to our defense to give him a beating like no other. Hello Pierce, Osi and Tuck.....Shockey will be coming for you guys!!!!

as much as i liked Shockey, i like SuperBowl's more.

How many superbowls do the following players have:

Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Chris Cooley, Jason Witten, Kelen Winslow, etc.

0

Technically you argue Shockey in that category too.

What im saying is you dont "need" a TE of that calibre to win. You need a TE that can do his job.

I think the Giants will do ok with the "no swagger/force to be reckoned with" playoff run offense. The Giants didn't win because Shockey got hurt. That's nonsense in my opinion. But they did win without him. That's a fact. Not only did they win but they played the best football any Giant team has played since 1990 doing it. They aren't going to miss him much at this point of his career and with the Giants offensive scheme.

with 32 and 57? Heh heh heh.

anyone remeber last year. there defense was awful and they havent added a lot to help that so i c them going 10-6
so it will prolly be in the low 50s

we have have the...

#32
#48
#64

Talk about a lot of early value! :)

That's good - compare him to WR on another team. Very sound argument. I'm sure you'd rather have Santana than Plax on your team too, right? I'm talking about a Top 10 overall pick at safety specifically assigned to defend top TE's only to see our TE just cream him every time. Guess you forgot in his last game against Roy he had 12 catches for 129 and a TD.

I LOVE SHOCKEY

BUT I LOVE SUPERBOWLS MORE!

I LOVE SHOCKEY

BUT I LOVE SUPERBOWLS MORE!

they threw the ball all over the place last year and did nothing. The key to that team is Deuce. Bush can't run between the tackles and they still don't have a seconday. They will score more points. Make sure you get Brees and Shockey on your Fantasy team.

The Giants are going to get at least one good player out of all this. Reese has a long planning horizon. In five years, instead of a Shockey nearing retirement, we'll have a top young Snee or Tuck coming into his prime, and possibly another contributor from the 5th rounder.

The contribution to team focus and morale cannot be underestimated.

I liked Shockey, too, but he didn't want to be here. Johnson, Boss, and Matthews will be fine.

wear his Super Bowl ring in the Saints Locker room?

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Not only because of Payton's design, but because of the demeanor of that team. Brees, Bush, hell Payton himself, these guys get fired up like Shockey. They have attitude. It's a better environment.

don't read BBI for 2 hours and this is what I miss...

thing that cannot be denied is that Shockey is a game changer. Whenever he got involved and made the play good things happened. When he did not get the job done or was unable to get involved many times, bad things happened. He will be missed as a player and his emotion (and as a team mate, according to the players) but his off the field antics and injuries will not be missed. If he doen't want to be here he would not have been very useful IMO. Godd riddance.

but I never totally forgave him for dropping that simple TD pass in the San Fran playoff game.
You knew there was trouble when he didn't attend both the ceremony at the White House and the visit to Walter Reed. Shock loves the guys that fight for our country, I couldn't believe he wouldn't even swallow his pride just to go to Walter Reed.

Theres no denying that and anyone trying to diminish him now that he is gone is not being objective

That Said... We just got a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick for a guy who has never played 16 games in a season, has never been near 100% late in the year when the games got big outside of his rookie season, and on top of it all did not want to be here. That cannot be overstated. He did not want to be here, and the team did win the SB without him. While much is made out of that last point, probably too much, it still does stand

It was a good trade

it's fair value for a malcontent who might not even be healthy by the time training camp or even the season starts. He hasn't finished a season in 3-4 years and he might not start this one.

Some people act like we can't win without him. We only won a freaking SB without him and overall in the last 3 years we're 7-2 without him and one of the losses was against the Pats when we scored 35 points without him.

I don't want someone who doesn't want to play for the Giants and apparently neither do Reese nor Coughlin. I hope the Giants win another one or two SBs without the selfish whiny bitch. And I would say that to his face... as long as there were prison bars or very thick glass between us.

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I appreciate Shockey's play for us, there's no doubt he was one of the best 2 way TEs (2 way being the key). But I don't want someone who doesn't want to be here, who doesn't accept his role and doesn't appreciate the great situation he was blessed to be in. Good luck in NO you selfish whiny bitch.

but I think it's the right move. I trust Reese, and I feel that the compensation is more than adequate. Shockey had to go. I loved watching him in Blue. I'm more disappointed in the way his NY career turned out (which is primarily his fault), rather than being disappointed in losing him. No one player is above this team, and Reese has demonstrated that yet again.

me. And, I'm sorry to see him go.

But, they absolutely got fair value for him.

More than fair, really.

that Boss gained 15 lbs of muscle this offseason?

by not doing the deal in April before the draft. We gained nothing by waiting and now we have to wait til next April to utilize the draft picks. One of the few bad decisions by JR since he took the reins. I think it's fair market value for Shockey seeing as it's slightly better compensation than the 'Fins got for Jason Taylor yesterday. Another note I hate trading him in conference to a team we may be seeing down the road in the playoffs.

it goes to show just how much of a distraction he was or made of himself that it came to this.
That said - I think this team can be great without him. I am sad to have never seen Shock and Boss line up at the same time though.

If he becomes a "merely adequate" blocker this year, I think the Giants will have made out.

I wouldn't say that. I am sure Reese and the team evaluated who was the board, and went from there. We must have no liked the guys on the board, so kept him. Now from what I remember reading next year's potential class has a chance of being deep, so who knows. Make that opinion next year, once we see who we draft, and the production of that player. Way too early to tell.

I'm betting Shockey would still be a Giant. Yes I realize its not league approved yet.

I am unbelievable conflicted about this.

First of all I didn't think this was ever going to happen, I figured there was no way that they would trade him when his value was at his lowest, and after a good first week all would be fine. Now that it has happened, I am pretty pissed, both at the Giants and at Shockey.

Regarding the Giants, assuming the Saints are good this year, this is a terrible trade. Mid 2nd round picks are nowhere near considered locks to be solid NFLers, so to only get a future 2nd and 5th is basically giving the guy away. I know that the gmen were basically forced to give him a way, but to only get that much really pisses me off. On the other hand, if Reese felt the room wouldn't have the same chemistry with Shockey as it did without him, then I somewhat commend him for being very concerned about the character of the team, that being said they didn't get enough. I'll let the Cowboys and Redskins pick up all the talented cancers and watch the teams self destruct in crunch time.

Regarding Shockey, I have always been a big supporter of his, but now I am done. I guess I started turning on him when I saw him on Inside the Guiants a few weeks ago when 2 ten year olds interviewed him. They asked him if he could be drafted again where he would want to go, and without hesitation he said the NO Saints. Good answer Shock. After supporting the guy since he came here, I feel betrayed by him for giving him the benefit of the doubt when he did stupid things (called out the coaching staff, excessive celebrations, took unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, stood up M&MD, didn't show up at post SB events, bitched coming back into the huddle) I always said that his emotions have always been a result of his burning desire to win, but now I realize he's a selfish punk. After the magical run the team had last year, and this year going in to the perfect situation, clearly his ego is bigger than his heart. Anybody with a great desire to win would be chomping at the bit to come back and show the team is better with him than without him. Now, instead of coming back to the SB champs he's going to a mediocre team that missed the playoffs because they will "utilize" him better. Maybe that's because they have to because they don't have any other receiving threats other than Colston. Give me a fcking break, if you want to win so badly stay with the team that gives you the best chance to win, but I guess he's in it more for the money and the stats than anything. From what everyone says the Giants locker room is one of the best in the sport, so for Reese to basically hand him to the Saints he must have been that much of a distraction. He's gonna leave here acting like he was some martyr who never was treated fairly by the media, yet will never realize how much the fans cared for him. It's a shame the guy is such a dumbass.

Just for the record, this is exactly the deal Matt was posting about on draft day. When it didn't go down, the angry hoards on BBI were blasting him.

Good job on getting it right the first time Matt.

and I'm very saddened to hear this news. I think it's a big mistake, and the Giants will live to regret this move. Shockey will too.

He has missed 4 regular season games the last 3 yrs.

Shockey had no leverage. None. I mean, other than being a malcontent.

I don't get the In Reese I trust stuff. Not that he's done a bad job, just that he's capable of making mistakes like anyone else. I think this is one of them.

waiting a year to get the same picks we could have gotten in April devalues the deal, those are the facts. No way the draft board influenced it, noone has a clue what next years draft will look like to compare it to. Having the players in our system this season would have been a major plus. Now next year it will be nice but if this situation was agunfight I wish we had pulled the trigger sooner.

Move him out. Last of the malcontents, luke, tiki and now Jethro. Time will tell.

I would have given up the 5th pick if there were takers.

Assuming that there was some truth to the rumored three way deal that would have involved Jason Taylor, would you have rather had him or the 2 picks from the Saints?

must be happy.

I could not disagree more with your comments. The 2009 Draft will be one of the best drafts EVER. Players know that the NFL will be changing the way rookies are paid beginning in 2010.

Knowshon Moreno, the standout running back from New Jersey (Univ of Georgia) has told people I know that he is coming out, even though it is only his soph season (though his 3rd at UGA).

There is not a quality Junior that will stay and wait for his senior season, knowing that the pay scale for rookies is about to take a tremendous change. Any Sophomore that redshirted (completed 3 years)and has a great 2008 fall season will also enter the 2009 draft.

As Giant fans, we should all be thrilled, especially if we get an additional 3rd rounder for Gibril. Imagine having extra picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in a great draft?

Getting a 2nd and 5th for Shockey is very good value, especially if its proven that both picks are in 2009.

As for Shockey leaving, I'm saddened. I liked him as a Giant.

Shockey didn't want to be here. The Giants were tired of his act. I think the Giants were a better team with him, but he was not irreplacable.

And, the Saints gave up a 2 and a 5 for a player with a significant injury history. He has never played a full season and I would be surprised if he does this year.

The Giants have three solid TEs going into the season and the upgrading of their wr corps means the pass catching from the TE position will be less important.

What's going to be interesting will be the revelations from both sides about how bad the relationship was.

And, we will see how much he makes the Giants regret trading him.

While I'm unhappy to lose JS as a player, as a person he had to go. If this opens up the money needed to get Plax, Eli, and BJ signed to extensions, it's for the best. I think BJ gives the Giants the same Doberman attitude on O that JS did, only BJ has NEVER whined about his own role when AB got touches instead of him; that's a huge plus in BJ's favor.

I'd expect BJ to be used in some capacity (if not as TE) to compensate for Shockey's field presence. Now if only BJ can stay healthy... That was one long read.

It was all media nonsense! Shockey was fine!

This sucks because it's lesser value than the supposed deal before the draft it was Reese who pulled out of this. It's a shame for everyone involved that it came to this.

This hurts. Not surprised but this hurts

I think the FO wanted to keep Shockey. They are fully aware of his value and the many pros of keeping him. As it appears, it was his mini-camp antics (and whatever happened between him and Reese) that caused Reese to pull the plug now, prior to camp.

I told Eric and Phil the source, they should have been in place to know they wanted that 2nd and 5th, which as I had mentioned, I was told about on the Thursday morning before the draft.

What I was also just told, again could be right or wrong, but makes sense with the speed of the Taylor deal. The Giants/Saints/Dolphins were working towards that rumored 3 way deal. The Giants and Saints wanted it done before camp opened this week (ie, even today). The Giants wanted to renegotiate Taylor's salary. The Redskins jumped in to break it up and removed the requirement to renegotiate Taylor's deal, which could have submarined the 3 way trade. The Dolphins backed off the 3 way and went with the Redskins. The Giants and Saints then basically decided to go at it with the same parameters being discussed back in April, but for the 2009 variations (2nd and 5th). Bottom line, it appears Jason Taylor could have been a NYG today if the Redskins didn't lose 2 DEs for the season and jumped into the deal.

I am sure the draft board has something to do with it. You don't make that deal, just to do it, if no one you want is on the board. That would make no sense. So they kept him, and now we don't know what was said behind the scenes last couple weeks, but now he is gone, and we have the same picks, but new draft class. Now the team can scout, and once the season is done, scout accordingly knowing we have an extra pick.

Let's see what happens now. Let's not be too hasty in our judgement without seeing who we draft, AND what the player can do. Who knows maybe we find the next Tiki, Strahan, or Toomer in next years second round? We can also find a Tim Carter as well, but let's ride this thing out before we make judgements on it.

How long before Shockey puts his SB ring up on Ebay? Maybe Tiki will bid on it?

I will miss the Shockey of the early 2000's but I think its the miles, not the years with #80 and that we probably saw his best days. That said, we became less talented at TE but maybe not worse off.

A couple of things bear watching as camp and the season unfold. One is that based on the skillsets of our existing TEs, or at least how we project them (Boss passcatching, Matthews bocking, etc.), it should be interesting whether our O become somewhat predictable based on TE/personnel packages. The second is to see what happens with Eli as there were many times that it appeared Shockey misread the coverage reads and was the receiver out of synch or messing up the spacing in the offense.

We did get reasonable value for Shockey, if it were the Shockey of 2002/2003 we were screwed, but its not.

trading him after the draft is a little weird. The Saints are potentially better now than they were last year...thus a better record and lower draft picks. So we lost a little value on those picks

to see him go. We're losing an excellent player. Not as explosive as his first couple of yrs but still a matchup problem for defenses. Now were left with only one matchup advantage in the pass game(Burress). If he was healthy this yr the Giants offesne would be much better with Shock.

On top of that it really sucks to see him go to a very good NFC team. Saints will be tough. If the 2nd yr WR Meachem steps up they'll be impossible to stop. I hope this move doesn't hurt NYG during playoff time.

I'm glad this got done now if it was going to happen. It just seemed like the two sides here were just not going to come back together. I'm a Shockey fan (even though I have been critical of some of his actions). I want him on this team. But if that was not going to be, I'm glad Reese got this done before camp.

great post.

it have been better to get a 2nd a 5th this past draft? sure. but reese likely wasnt factoring in shockeys headcase personality on draft day. he was looking at value. he didnt consider that shockey would throw a tantrum at minicamp back in april. BFD. he moved a disgruntled player for decent picks, ill take it.

lets move on, reese didnt really screw this up badly. no one was going to give a first round pick for shockey NO ONE. a 2nd and a 5th is fine. those castrating reese for not having the foresight to realize shockey would act like a spoiled brat are missing the mark.

Not happy to see him go, but it was inevitable. Hopefully we end up getting a key player plus a good role player out of this. Too bad the trade couldn't have been made before the draft, so we could have got those two picks on the roster one year earlier.

All in all it's a win-win-win for both teams and for Shockey.

agree with you...I think it's a mistake to trade within your Division, especially to a team that went to the NFC Championship game just last year. I'm still a Shockey fan, just not when he plays Big Blue

Also, someone else sager than me posted that the team was watching Darcy Johnson closely to see if he had fully recovered from his injuries, and once they saw he was healthy, the trade talks resumed. This makes sense to me also.

1) team chemistry is important, and JR has cleaned house of some poor attitude guys. So, he let this go on hoping JS would chill, JS made it worse by skipping the minicamp and getting in a shouting match. Camp is about to start and JR didn't want this distraction there, too. So, he cuts bait.

2) JS has not had a fully healthy year in several years. He doesn't run great routes.

3) JS is on the decline physically, not the up swing.

4) We have a nice crop of receivers and Boss is not a bad player. We likely have the 3rd passing option that will be just fine.

5) We'll miss the blocking more, but on short yardage we also can bring in a backup OL or a blocking TE.

6) When is contract is up, JS leaves and we get zip.

Personally, I suspect JR would have liked to have kept a reasonably content JS around, but JS wasn't going to make that possible.

I also think as a guy, Shockey is an immature rube. Not sad to see that part go.

neither you nor anyone else has any idea how the players in this years draft will turn out. Nevermind what the players in next years draft will be. The truth is most rookies need a little time in the league before they develop. I'd prefer since we didn't gain anything by waiting that we had them now to coach them up and get them ready. The odds say we'd have players reday to contribute sooner if we had.

The giants may have dragged their feet on this one a bit, and ended up missing out on Jason Taylor (assuming he was their ideal return for Shockey) and had to settle for the original parameters of the deal with the 2nd and 5th round pick. Still a solid return, but it makes this deal even more bittersweet that we could have replaced him with Jason Taylor, who would have been scary in our pass rush.

We'll have these picks for hopefully longer than that

The Giants (sans Shockey) will be just fine with Boss and Johnson.

the Giants went on to win their 3rd SB.

Now that an unhappy Shockey has been traded, will the Giants do as well?

I'll miss him, but if he didn't want to block anymore he decreased his worth to the team.

good post

I need to see that for sure before saying that, specifically in the running game. That part is the most interesting area to focus on.

because quite honestly, I think Shockey will put up huge numbers there. They are in a dome and Brees is a very good QB. Shockey thrived under Payton and now they are reunited. I'm sure during the season , everyone will be pooh poohing the trade. But come draft time? It will be all hell yeah I got mad picks!

but I hope the team sucks so we can get better picks.

with what has transpired over the past 5 months could anybody here see him playing a down for the Giants? Good Riddance, we'll be fine.

I should've said last 4 years. The Giants are 7-2 in games without him the last 4 years. You're right that he's missed 4 reg. season games the last 3 years. He's missed a total of 5 reg. season games the last 4 years and those games were all at the ends of seasons. Add the 4 playoff games last year and you could say that he's missed many of the most important games the Giants have played the last few years.

His best years may be behind him. I'm not saying he's done, but his days as an elite 2 way TE are getting fewer. And the Giants have done pretty darn well without him.

Shockey made some memorable plays for the Giants, plays that fired me up big time. But he talked and pouted his way out the door, and that's no one's fault but his. It's dumb to blame Reese for not trading him sooner so as to get more value or picks in this year's draft. Reese was hoping and believing what I and everyone else who loves the Giants was hoping and believing back in April: that this guy was eventually going to come to his senses and buy into the team concept again, in the interest of being a big-time piece on a winning team full of his friends. Shockey let us down, not Reese. Shockey used the power he had to hurt the team. If Reese had acted in April to prevent that from happening, he would have gotten killed for giving up on Shockey, and I'd have been the first one to kill him for it. So I'm certainly not going to bitch about it now. I'm confident that Reese and company will turn that 2 and a 5 into enough value to make us say "Jeremy who?" in a couple years.
Now let's go play some friggin' football!

Everything is speculative and no one can be certain about the quality of any draft.

What I do know, is that college players that were at the Playboy Mansion for the annual All-American photo shoot a few months ago were all kidding that they actually all are "Seniors", since every one of them (Seniors, Juniors, and 3rd year Sophomores) plan on applying for the 2009 draft.

The dollars that rookies will be paid in 2010 was the major topic of discussion amongst the Pre-season All-American players at the Playboy Mansion. These young players are looking for a big payday, and the consensus amongst them was that the 2009 draft will be the last gravy train.

I think we did very well if both picks for Shockey are in the 2009 draft.

Shockey gone, over the summer I wanted Shockey to stay. Today I have mixed emotions, but one thing is for sure in my mind (because I'm a fan and I support the shirt not the player) and that is if Shockey doesn't want to be a New York Giant and all that it means then F-off to New Orleans and enjoy being an 'Aint!!

before the draft...

I'm guessing completely, but if shockey needed to pass the physical for the trade to go through, then that seems the most likely reason why they had to wait. He couldn't pass it then, but can pass it now.

On another note, somebody needs to tell giants.com that they have to write another position battle article for starting tight end.

and now he is gone... Its that simple. He would have been a total distraction all camp.

I just am not in favor of trading a talent within the NFC for only draft picks. Mind is numb but we were jumping up and down over getting him on the draft - where did we gain?

You are always adding insights that aren't available anywhere else. Thanks.

Shockey was done here. Good luck to him. I suspect he really won't be missed

if Shockey couldn't pass a physical in April that would explain a lot. Reese doesn't normally miss a trick that I have seen.

but I can't help but think that Reese didn't handle this the right way. We could have gotten a 08 2nd and 5th...

Whatever happens Reese did not handle this correctly. Reese takes no crap and I guess he took a calculated risk back in April. It didn't work out.

Shockey will do great things for the Saints. We will be lucky to find another Shockey but Boss has upside and we have depth at WR. Still, I will miss Shockey. HE was fun to watch.

We got more than the value of the pick during his contribution during the player and now he doesn't want to be a New York Giant anymore.

Imagine if Shockey was a 6 year old car. Wouldn't you be happy to get 50% back on your initial investment, especially for a car that broke down every year and dropped a hubcap at key moments (not to mention honking at police of it's own volition...)

the Saints were the only team who wanted him?

Some of you are acting like GM's were crawling over each other, to get him.

Who cares if he plays for an NFC team!

he'll do great, I'm sure. So as long as he doesn't get hurt again.

Toomer
Strahan
Smith

Tiki
Osi
Snee

can you imagine our d-line with Taylor at end?

I think Reese wanted Shockey here and starting in 2008. If he could have stolen a #2 and maybe a #3 on draft day, he makes the trade. He didn't, so the value wasn't there.
Now he had a disgruntled player, a malcontent coming into camp, stirring up shit when coming off a Super Bowl is difficult enough. Looking at his agent, renegotiations would have been brutal.

He accomplished:
1.) Got rid of a malcontent
2.) Picked up 2 picks next year
3.) Caught the attention of every player on the Giants (if he'll get rid of Shockey, he'll get rid of me)
4.) Probably made the team healthier for the year

Wish ya well. It had to be done. He was going to be a major distreaction.

In Boss I trust.

but if he didn't want to be here anymore, more then happy with a 2nd and 5th round picks.

If the trade had to happen, I'm glad we got the picks in the 2009 draft instead of the 2008. Along with the comp picks we get for losing Wilson, Mitchell and Torbor. Reese will have a field day and have the flexibility to move up or down at will next draft.

as I said after he missed the ring ceremony Shockey would never play another down again for the Giants. Do you morons realize we won the superbowl with out him and he is a me first player that is a cancer to the team? Our team is filled with 1st and second year players that can get up the field. How good do you think Steve Smith is going to be this year? We will be fine and our team will be better than it was last year.

I didn't read every post in the thread. Is the thread starter correct, Shockey for a #2 and a #5?
If so, we gave him away.

We'll miss his presence on the field. It's one thing to sneak through the playoffs without him, it's another to play the upcoming season and make another round of playoffs without his blocking and pass catching skills.

takes the next step. This will be a good trade.

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I am not killing Resse but he could have gotten 2nd and 5th rounders (or the saftey) in this past draft. Today's picks have more value than next year's picks. This is assuming that the rumors were true of course.

It's nitpicking but looking back, Reese should have taken the picks back in April. That said, I can't blame Reese for taking a chance that things could have been worked out between Shockey and NY but in the end things fell apart.

and run the right routes he'll be a very good weapon for the saints. However, reggie bush and the Duece got some added blocking. Just because shockey went to the saints doesn't mean they are getting the shockey from 2002. That guy is long gone.

It's never a good thing when you trade an established vet who is under 30 for a 2nd round pick. Let's hope we don't live to regret this move. I don't care how often Shockey is hurt, the guy can play with the best of em. We lost a player who commanded consistent double teams. Shockey was a fan favorite who had a chance to finish his career with some insane numbers for a TE. Today sucks. .

Yup, it's a good thing none of the other teams were trying to win games in the playoffs. Now, when we get to next year and the other teams actually start game-planning for us then we're in trouble.

Sometimes this stuff writes itself....

but I think Shockey has a chance to blow up this year. 80-10 and 900 is within his grasp. Even worse, playoff success is a legit possiblity. I wouldn't want to face that offense in a big spot. Especially in the dome.

of getting hurt and missing time or losing effectiveness.

Could have been an all time great Giant if he was more mature. Injuries and immaturity has ruined a potential great carreer. He does not deserve to be a New York Giant. So many Ghost of the past must be roling over in their graves over his actions. How many players demand being traded right after winning the superbowl? He might be the first. Anyway I wish we got Taylor in that three way trade.

Reese I am sure will take advantage of an extra 2 and 5. This guy is like King Midas. Hopefully this draft class turns out like last year and the Saints go 0-16.

I hope Coughlin bitchslaps that punkass bitch on his way out!!!!!!

You can now PEN Steve Smith in for 60 catches and 750 yards.

and won't be able to replace him with a 2nd round pick next year... if Reese felt 2nd round wasn't enough in April, then it's pretty obvious that the Giants simply caved in to Shockey's tantrum ... and I hate the fact they rewarded his bad behavior.

on draft day was because he couldn't pass a physical. This was the Giants only option - he didn't want to be here, plain and simple.

I resisted starting a new thread....
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I think It's a good trade. A few weeks into the season when something is torn, broken or pulled the trade will look even better.

replaceable, I hope so..

I will miss him, though

Just how good can Kevin Boss be?

for 13-14 Sundays this year, we're OK.

Shockey didn't want to be here and we got rid of him for two picks.

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and he's in a all black uniform. instead of a blue. I guess the dont have to alter that add at all.

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it appears Buress is unhappy with the Giants...

not a fun quote, the business side of the NFL is a harsh reality, Plax, nothing personal, they only have so much money to go around.

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(You feel you're not as important to them as you thought you were?) Evidently not. We've been trying to get this thing done and it doesn't seem like it's really important to them. But it's not the first time this has happened to a player, even a guy like myself who wants to be around and wants to retire a Giant. It never should have gotten to this point. I'm not saying I don't want to be around. I don't want to leave. That's the most encouraging thing is I don't want to leave. But there's apparently more to it.

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yup..looks like it. =(

Actually, no, Plax.

Remember his moaning over supposed leaks from his camp saying he was unhappy (along with his refusal to actually deny them on top of it)?

will be taken care of really soon.

thanks #80 for being a great Giant, good luck with the Aints

It was no media fabrication. The Giants got good value considering that and the injury. Still wish he would have matured and been a Giant for life.