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Seahawks @ Giants Game Breakdown

AnishPatel : 10/13/2008 11:45 am
Here is the Seahawks-Giants Breakdown.



Power G once again works well for our offense. We also ran some zone running plays. I remember reading Corey Williams's comments on our running game, and thinking where did he pull zone running out of. Well he is right, we ran some zone in this past game, but not nearly enough to call us a zone running team. I think we run MANY different running concepts in our system. One new concept I saw was End TRAP out of a bunch right formation, where the bunch was Mathews, Boss, and Smith. We also run it with Madison H. as the inside most "WR" in bunch. So gradually we are seeing more and more new plays being used, which is a great thing.

One really important note was I thought the Hawks sucked at matching personnel with ours. When we had 3 wrs out there, they didn't go into the nickel like most teams do when I breakdown games. They are very adamant in staying in a 4-3 base defense, and either putting Grant on the WR or even sometimes Julian Peterson, as was the case, when Smith made that catch and lost his shoe. Why on earth would you put Peterson on a WR? As WB coach told me, Peterson is their joker. They line him up everywhere and even saw him as their DE on one play. Actually it was the Manningham WR screen. But I saw alot of C1 Man free coverage, C3, and ALOT of Cover 2 soft which could be disguised as C4. So it was either 1 of the 2 coverages. But they gave us a big time cushion.

Seattle is what it is, a very finesse team that is the antithesis of the packer's style of play at their CB position. The Packer's run alot of press coverage and will jam you at the LOS, and try re-routing you from the before you get the stem of your route. This Seattle team is not really a physical team. They never, from what I remember, attack the WRs.


Overall great win!
















































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BIG FRED : 10/13/2008 11:51 am : link
Is this hit chart done during the game by one of the giants coaches or do you do this while watching the game film ? I had to do a hit chart last year during my games in the booth and it was pretty nuts ,to write the formations ,down and distance and play but it made me a better coach this year .
Anish  
dorgan : 10/13/2008 11:55 am : link
it's not that uncommon for some teams to play their base 4-3 personnel versus 3 wides when the down and distance doesn't dictate nickel.

I've never seen a 3-4 team do it, but I might have just missed it if it occurred.

A lot of 4-3 teams have Will LBers that are closer to safeties in physical traits than they are to a SAM or Mike.

Yeah,  
AnishPatel : 10/13/2008 11:56 am : link
Though since I was the youngest coach on my staff I was on the sideline. But the coaches upstairs are usually drawing stuff like this, and taking notes, so that you have visuals to what to do. People talk about the OC alot, but in our case Gilbride is only as good as the guys in the boothe, especially since he is on the field. Being on the field sucks, it's the worse way to see what the hell is going on. So the guys upstairs have a chance to be impact people to how we do. They are the ones communicating coverages and fronts to Gilbride and this allows KG to call the appropriate play.
Anish.. do you coach High School Ball?  
BABS : 10/13/2008 11:59 am : link
Wich high school? South, North, East?
Dorgan,  
AnishPatel : 10/13/2008 12:00 pm : link
That's new for me. From all my breakdowns, almost all teams went to the nickel when we went 3 wide. I think they might have underestimated our depth and matchups vs their base package. One example was Russel getting torched by Moss. If you are going to have your base package out there, then be aggressive, but the fact they didn't try to be physical, in my opinion allowed us to basically do what we wanted to do on offense. Peterson on a WR wasn't working, and when they brought a safety to cover, they were running C3 or C1 MF in the secondary. So I am assuming the guys upstairs told Gilbride to run those coverage beaters. But that's a guess on my part.
Anish  
dorgan : 10/13/2008 12:03 pm : link
It's one of those decisions that DCs make when they weigh formation reactions versus down and distance tendencies.
If the offense shows a heavy tendency to run on a certain down and distance, but they come out 3 wide, some DCs will leave their base in and take their chances.



I went to high school east....  
BABS : 10/13/2008 12:03 pm : link
Had Coach Snyder back in the day....the 80's
loved the battles against Brick and coach Wolf..  
BABS : 10/13/2008 12:06 pm : link
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Dorgan,  
AnishPatel : 10/13/2008 12:07 pm : link
I get it now. So it's a gamble basically because you're assuming that the offensives coaches don't see this and set you up. But i get why they would now. Before it striked me as odd, from all the games I broke down, everyone was very quick to go nickel or Dime against us.


BABS,

I went to North, but I coached D3 college last year, TEs.
Anish  
dorgan : 10/13/2008 12:18 pm : link
exactly right.

I think it's very risky but I'd try it once, but I know I'd be switching it up rather than doing the same thing every time.

I never thought Mora was the brightest bulb in the pack and this is evidence that I might be right.
Anish, coverage beaters-  
hollywood blue : 10/13/2008 12:20 pm : link
from the diagrams good portion were vertical routes?
HB,  
AnishPatel : 10/13/2008 12:26 pm : link
Yeah but I don't know the exact route. What you see is based on the adjustments, choice routes vs option routes. And so the players adjust based on the coverage. But in terms of coverage beaters, I would guess the coaches upstairs, see a certain coverage, like Cover 1 man free or C3 and then simply have Gilbride call a play where you can beat that coverage.

Since the Hawks kept their base D on the field it meant Peterson or a safety, usually Grant was on Smith or the slot guy. So that means they basically ran 2 coverages. Zone.. Cover 3, or man.. cover 1 man free. Now when they had 2 safties back, it was C2 soft, or they disguised it as a C4, and went back and forth. So either way there were 4 coverages they ran and seemed to recycle alot. I am no expert but you do that against pro coaches and it's damn risky. You do that against a very good offensive coaching staff, and you are going to get your ass handed to you. That's how I saw it. They ran C1, C3, C2 soft, or C4, and some regular C2 man So around 5 coverages they ran alot, with some other stuff tossed in, like Cover 0 and Cover 5. You do that alot, our coaches will run those coverage beaters all day vs you.
ok Anish  
hollywood blue : 10/13/2008 12:34 pm : link
thanks
Speaking of tendencies vs. 3 WR  
Bino5 : 10/13/2008 12:47 pm : link
it seemed like we went with more of a true nickel this week(Wilkinson with Pierce as opposed to Johnson) in earlier down and more managable distance 3 WR situations. I assume Spags saw that Seattle likes to spread the D out on 1st and 2nd and run the ball. It also seemed like as they progressed he was trying to bait them into quick throws in because he was using a lot of zone blitzes vs 3 WR and Wilkinson in.
Bingo,  
AnishPatel : 10/13/2008 12:49 pm : link
I will have to go with what you say. I never usually watch the defense when I tape the game. I fast forward right through it, and resume it, when our offense shows up again. I couldnt tell you anything we do on defense in a given game.
Anish  
cosmicj : 10/13/2008 12:52 pm : link
next time I'm thinking of disagreeing with you, remind me not to.
I can see why you do that  
Bino5 : 10/13/2008 12:53 pm : link
you obviously break down the offense in such detail it would take you forever to do the whole game.
Bino, I think joelblue posted  
hollywood blue : 10/13/2008 1:14 pm : link
some coverage alignments where Pierce was the only backer in there and what Joey called the heavy nickel package with 3 safeties on 1st down. I think that would bait the offense.
hb  
Bino5 : 10/13/2008 1:33 pm : link
we've definitely been using mostly the 3 Safety nickel with Johnson being the 2nd "LB" so far this year. In this game it seemed like we were 50/50 between that and a more typical nickel with Wilkinson. Hopefully it is also an indication that Willkinson is making strides and ready to step up.
yeah I think that's what Spags  
hollywood blue : 10/13/2008 2:10 pm : link
was getting at in his interview re the competition at the will between him and the rookie.

As far as the defense goes I don't think we give up too much with Johnson in there. He has been equally good vs the run and pass. You can't ask for more.
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