Asshat Alert - Latest Trade Rumor

This trigger should have been pulled around draft time...Let's develop what we have

No link/source/anything?

thanks for posting though.

as the pick is not a 1st rounder and the WR is not Manningham, Nicks, or Barden then i'm down.

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so who's this asshat playing with the espn trade machine?

draft pick must be a 1st or 2nd rounder if rumor is valid at all. Always fun to read rumors

Some people's are going to EXPLODE around here :-)

Even if (when?) this not come off, it should clearly reinforce the notion that some of us have said all along - Giants mgmt is NOT enamored with the WR's as they have been saying...

the Giants pick and WR?

interesting stuff for sure.

And makes sense for all. Except the fact the Giants give up a pick and player for a guy who can't catch. They have guys like that already.

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that trade would make sense. Denver gets a good QB and gets rid of a headache. The Giants are a Super Bowl type team that needs a #1 reciever. Yes we have some nice young receiver but they would look a lot better with Edwards on the field.

like Braylon currently on the roster.

1000+ 10+ touchdown season on their resume.

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I really thought we heard the last of the Edwards trade. I guess not. If this is legit, the Giants clearly are not happy with our current crop of receivers and are not going to stand pat and let an opportunity to win another championship go down the drain. If it is a receiver, it has to be Hixon, Smith, or Manningham. The other receivers on the roster have zero value. I'd hate to give up on those 3, but Edwards must have shown something in that last preseason game for the Giants to have renewed interest.

Braylon
Nicks
Smith

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and it begins. I would do it, but it depends on the draft choice. It would be a good deal for the Broncos. Brandon Marshall would be a disaster in Cleveland.

Nicks has trade value as well. This is very interesting though.

to make sense for Cleveland, either:

that pick has to be a 1st (or maybe a second) OR
It has to be one of the Giants top young WR (Mario and/or Nicks)

Cleveland gives up:
Braylon
Derek Anderson

Cleveland gets back:
Brandon Marshall
Giants WR
Pick

Unless they think Marshall is WAY better than Braylon, they're gonna need a first rounder or one of our highest potential receivers to justify that.

against NYJ.

hixon back to Denver...

The "not this shit again" guy. I love that dude. And he fits well here

the WR's being discussed are either Nicks or Barden.

rather than a deal that is actually in the works.

at least i hope so.

Better not be Manningham, Nicks or Barden if the rumor is true.

I think that kid has a bright future.

I hope its Hixon or Smith... MM can be an X-factor

This will easily have 200 posts by the time I get home in 45 minutes...

can you pickup the playbook at this point? Serious question.

how effective can Edwards be? It sounds doubtful to me.

I dont want to say in December we should have made that trade for Edwards. There are no giant Wide Receivers currently on the giants where at opposing team will not be able to put 8 guys in the box to stop the giants running game.

No Giants on the current roster.

Edwards changes that.

We can run the ball but with 8 guys in the box. Last years playoff game showed even with that amount of guys. We cannot run the ball.

AFter 3 preseason games. Its obvious that we dont have a #1 WR.

By request...

Thanks for sharing tho eric. Hopefully the WR isnt Hixon, i still think he can be great, but we shall see.

is this why they did not play moss?

isnt going anywhere. Its probably Manningham or Hixon.

Why in hell would the Browns want to trade one headcase & malcontent for a much larger headcase & malcontent who also has legal problems?

but hey anything is possible. It would scream desperation by the Giants because as I said throughout March and April the Giants moved beyond considering Edwards almost 2 months before the draft and did not think he was a fit here.

If there is a trade I believe Nicks performance was what pushed the Giants over the edge. Having him play like that frees up Hixon or MM for part of the trade.

maybe they didn't want to chance him getting hurt?

that is a very good question.

Becuase it's the Browns?

Long before.

Tom C wouldn't be okay with a trade that further weakens an iffy special teams.

10 mil a year for him? There has to be a new contract for him. How much do they pay?

im down for that trade. I guess the front office has decided the WR core needs an anchor. BE is young too right? 26? Do it.

Ok, first, the trade ain't happenin'...Secondly, what about all of you who are posting now and will be posting about your aversion to "All the money Braylon will demand in contract?" Doesn't look like anyone's mentioned that yet...You mean that's no longer an issue now? :o)

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and a third round pick would get it done. I would hate to lose Smith but getting Edwards might be worth it. This would free up Hixon to return kicks and punts, exponentially improving the return game and adding a true number one.

so we could have used the Saints #1.

I like Smith, MM, Nicks, Barden, and Hixon.

I would be ok with trading Hixon if we had to.

10 mil per has to be near the number don't you think?

hmmmm.....or could it be local boy Hixon?

that Steve Smith is a goner and we give up a 3rd to get Braylon.

I would like to keep Hixon as the Kick Off Specialist and keep Manningham. That would be horrible if we had to give up Manningham.

We can give them Moss which would be even better, but there is no way that the Browns would even want him.

Whoa, talk about falling in love with a player. Nicks has far more skill and potential than MM.

not sure about that, maybe it was the price they didn't want to pay. Cleveland might have wanted a DE at the time and the Giants where not going to do that.

with Smith in the slot could be an imposing group.

email on the way to you.

What's he making now? 8? close to 10?

just said that the Broncos are actively shopping him

exactly.

cmon man...asshat info?

That's beyond robbery. That's leaving the bank, going to the branch managers house, and banging his wife for good measure. Moss and a 7th? Moss is about to be cut, he himself isn't even worth a 7th. If this is true its probably Hixon/Manningham/Smith and a 2nd rounder, maybe a 3rd.

I think the player would be Hixon...MM has a higher ceiling in my opinion - he can be electric. I'm not a Hixon guy - I think he's a 3rd receiver sort of player.

Ware and Manningham haven't been returning kicks for shits and giggles.

something is defintely going on

Moss and a 7th and I'm good. :)

Seriously, I'd hate for the Giants to give up on anyone else.

This guy has zero upside. He is as good as he'll ever be. And that's not good enough.
Smith, Moss and a #2 pick for Braylon Edwards would be great

comment?

And you're not trading your first round draft pick, period.

That's just silly.

Eric, why don't you get your own web site..

I'd be amazed if it wasn't one of Hixon or Manningham.

Smith and Nicks are Reese's latest picks, both high in the draft and both are character guys.

Hixon is also a character guy but they have had quite a look at him at WR. They may feel he may not develop as much as they want and therefore is more expendable than others at this point.

I'm for a trade, but at the right price - Smith, Moss AND a #2?? Yikes...

be something to this, that's all I can say without getting in trouble. I heard the Broncos were the ones who started the ball rolling. We'll see if something happens or not. I had heard since May that around the Jets game was the timing for a move or not to be made.

not a 3-team trade. It's just cleveland making two trades - unless either the pick or WR from the Giants goes to Denver.

Moss is like a cosolation prize. In fact we might have to give up another pick for them to agree to even take Moss off our hands. lol

I'm enjoying this...(grin)

he's shown talent but hasnt shown to be a quick study (yet) in our complex system. Weve featured him quite a bit, could end up being a showcase. We'll see.

Just because a guy doesn't have a wealth of physical tools it doesn't mean he has no upside. He had 57 catches in his first full year as a contributor and was in a non-starting role for much of the season. Eli trusts him and he's reliable. Smith is a decent #2 and a great #3. He's not untouchable but you make him sound like a bum.

I will freakin die.

but they won't do one without the other. Giants will only make the trade if it makes sense, I have faith they make the right decision.

he wants to upgrade the roster and never say never. This would be an upgrade.. But I agree we can't get rid of Nicks or Barden. I like Manningham, but I'd trade him for Edwards. BTW.. Rumors are OK if they make sense and this makes sense..

you're an idiot. How did Eli do in 06 without Toomer, his safety blanket?

Waiting...

it would be a fitting end to the circus I helped start in January. As I said over the weekend, this is the moment of truth for the WR issue as far as the coaches and front office are concerned. If they go forward, then they are happy with it. If they trade, then you know how the coaches felt.

its pretty fucking hilarious that after 1 drop in a preseason game people are already proclaiming that Steve Smith has already reached his maximum potential

Like Mike Mayock would say, He has a high floor and a low ceiling.

but would settle for Hixon and a 2nd. He's a phenomenal special teams player but I don't know if he'll ever develop the kind of consistency you'd want from a #1. It's not that I don't like Hixon, but I think Manningham has a higher ceiling.

I think it is the chemistry between him and the QB.

Two or three weeks in a row now the analysts have made a point of discussing how MM makes his breaks far faster than Plax or Toomer did...I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but it is certainly on display between the two in the games to this point.

Manningham. The guy would have to show some promise. Manningham, Hixon, and Smith do fit that description, So do Nicks and Barden. It seems unlikely that the Giants would part with either draft pick this early on. If I had to guess it would be Manningham or Hixon. Geez that would be a tough choice.

but I don't get why the Browns would want Brandon Marshall. I would assume we would have to give up a fairly high draft choice to entice them into doing this?

would qualify as stupid. Jerry isn't stupid.

Yeah, that's what he's making this year but not the yearly value of his contract. Heck, the Giants know their stuff salary-wise. If they think it's ok I'll justify it, too. Actually, I don't really like this trade (and I wanted Edwards on draft day) but I'll learn to love it if it happens.

and be just as reliable. What a huge, huge mistake that would be to get rid of him.

Go change your diaper ya baby. I am entitled to my opinion. Start hurling childish insults on some other board.

trade a rookie first round picks easily because of the effect on the rookie cap. Nicks is not getting traded.

I agree that with Smith what you see is what you get. But you trivialize his contributions. The numbers he put up in a limited role are impressive, and it seems like all the kid does is convert 3rd downs. Your QB needs guys like that, guys he trusts unequivocally. Like I said, he's not untouchable, but don't be so quick to discard him. Sometimes quiet reliability is a weapon in itself.

that type of interest. Highly unlikely.

1. Moss did not play much last game and was not even returning punts.
2. Hixon abruptly started returning punts instead of Moss or Manningham.
3. The coaches rave about Steve Smith and talk about him as if he is our #1.
4. Mario played well, but not spectacularly in his time.
5. Nicks lit it up when he got a chance.
6. Barden excelled in training camp.

I think this points to dealing Mario Manningham if true for a few reasons. I think the fact that Moss didn't play is due to the fact that he's been passed on the depth chart and we shouldn't read into it.

The fact that Hixon was back returning punts is the most important bit. After failing to find a successful returner thus far, the Giants went to back to Hixon. This tells me that Hixon is not the player going to be dealt. If he was on the table, then the Giants would have tried someone else like Ware on punts since they were trying to find a suitable returner. Seems like Hix is the man on returns.

That leaves Smith, Mario, Nicks and Barden as possible candidates. Barden is too raw and I doubt Cleveland would want him.

I would think the Giants would say Nicks and Smith are both untouchable. Nicks because he is our #1 pick and has been playing well. And Smith because he is arguably our best receiver.

That leves Mario as the most likely to be dealt, IMO. The Giants probably see him as expendable with Nicks developing but he also has enough upside to entice a team to want him.

so they saw what he can do. They could be high on him too.

and a 2nd but no trading smith,nicks ,hixon or barden

you need not worry. It would be a fitting end though.If Eric posted this there definitely has to be some good inside info.

637 career yards, 1 TD.

that didn't answer my question. You can try again though. You've earned an extra life.

What scares me a little is that Smith could be the one the Browns want considering I don't think they'd be dumb enough to trade for a WR that has not proven anything (Mario). Then again, maybe they are.

hixon drops too many....

but Hixon retruning kicks could also be a showcase for the Browns. Either way I think its only one or the other (Hixon or Mario)

and how many receptions for 1st downs were there on 3rd down? That's what you're giving up.

You NEVER give up your QB's safety man, never.

shouldnt be included in this trade. He is one of the best 3rd down receivers in the league. He was always open on 3rd downs in the slot spot.

No Smith

Why would I answer someone who calls me names? waiting....................

I thinks it's easiest to fill Smiths shoes. In fact I think the Giants already have done so with Nicks. He can do everything Smith can and probably better. No knock on Smith but I see him a solely a posession reciever, Nicks could step in right now for that.

just say this is coming more from Denver than the Giants. Again, I'm not the source...only the intermediary.

The Browns have Josh Cribbs.


He is the kick off and punt return and he is way better then Hixon

guy really with any experience at WR. How can we do that though. That's scary. By the way frets, before you start calling others out, consider what you wrote. I think it's nuts too.

Hixon or Manningham I could see going.

when does ANYTHING ever come from the Giants?

if they have heard anything?

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Manningham or Barden before Hixon, just because Hixon is a special teams beast.
And with Edwards, Nicks and Smith, I really don't see where Barden fits in the long term plans with the Giants. Edwards will basically be the type of receiver they hoped Barden would eventually become. Manningham will be limited with playing time too if we get Edwards. If Hixon's playing time at wr is taken away, at least we know he can contribute with special teams.

But anyways... I don't think this trade is going to happen so I won't get my hopes up, we should of gotten Edwards at draft.

IF this does happen, BE would have to learn the playbook and get in sync with Eli really quickly. Seems like bad timing. However, one thing that wasn't an issue at the draft was marshall's bitching.

Moss
Tyree
Hixon
Manningham
Barden
Smith
Nicks

We don't need to start pissing others off in the lockeroom. And, then what does it hold in the future for Barden, etc?
Interesting.

it may make sense to unload him now and get something for him. It's questionable if they resign him. He'd only want to come back a s a starter, and with the Giants' recent investments in the draft at that position they want to see some returns. For that you can't blame them. Edwards is a better WR than Hixon---plain and simple.

Because the asking price was way too high prior to the draft. Now, Cleveland may have lowered the bar the somewhat. Jerry Reese doesn't bite the bullet easily.

dont make ridiculous statements

its for Hixon and a 2nd.

I agree with that 100%

Since Accorsi left? Not much.

and it's interesting how Manningham was getting quite a bit of work in the return game this preseason.

Hixon, Smith, or Manningham. Tyree and Moss offer little value, and don't think the Giants would give up the future of Nicks and Barden.

I posted my "evidence" above. If it goes down it will be:

Mario Manningham and
2nd rounder

don't hold your collective breaths waiting. Marshall and Edwards need new contracts negotiated before a trade and Hixon would need one also if he were the Giant involved.
Personally, I kinda like what we have now.

As with all other asshat nonsense, this is not going to happen.

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that sounds good to me, trade Moss or Hixon and a draft pick and I would be fine with that. That would move Smith back to the slot and Edwards and Nicks starting.

If you surveyed NFL scouts and personnel types, I'd wager the large majority would agree with me. There are reasons why Nicks went in the 1st, and MM didn't, and it's not just the failed drug test.

before Smith, any day of the week.

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that would be great

I definitely don't miss that about him as the Giants GM---or his lack of interest on the interior OL positions.

Do you think the Giants should pull the trigger?

you're talking about the gm who drafted Snee, and signed UDFA Seubert and UFA O'Hara

Fassel was another story.

If this is still a possibility, I think they should do it now that I've seen some of what we have.

I think Nicks will have a productive rookie year and I think Smith will be great in the slot. But I still think we need a guy like Edwards to really get this offense over the top to where it needs to be. Manningham and Hixon can be good WR's but I just don't get that sense that they can play at Braylon's level.. or at least not yet.

along with Boss & Barden would be a deadly passing game

it either be Manningham, Hixon, or Smith. The Giants have a replacement for all of them. If Hixon goes for his speed, Manningham can take his place and vice versa. I think i'm undervaluing Smith here, the more I think about this, letting him walk would be a bad move. I'd be sick if Smith was let go.

be interesting to see if this pans out. I wonder if it is Mario M. If there are a lot of choice routes in this system, that the WR has to read pre snap and post snap, and if Mario is struggling with this, I wonder if he is on the block. If I were to guess I would guess it was mario, but would edwards be ready to even play? He would need to learn the playbook ASAP, and all the adjustments and such before he gets PT. Once the season starts, the staff and team will be in season mode, so it's not like they can give Edwards reps all the time. Very interesting stuff either way this plays out.

I hope this doesnt end with an apology from you again.

and scoring Maclin in the first round to add to DeSean Jackson, it would probably be a good counter move to balance things out.

Say what you want but this WR group is terribly inexperienced.

not answering for Eric, but if the Giants make a move, the coaches blessed it. If they don't, the coaches are happy with what is there. Unlike the Broncos, they aren't forced to try to make something happen. The Giants can afford to sit on the periphery here.

All I can say is that Eric heard the same as I have, this is coming from Denver pushing things. But the timing matches up with the Giants evaluation schedule.

Manningham and Ware earlier in the offseason. I really hope the Giants don't trade Manningham - he's gonna be a Pro Bowler.

Nicks, Manningham and Barden like grim death.

You don't replace that kind of consistency that easily. It be would a big error on Reese's part in my opinion.

with the number of balls he got this past week.

I agree & it matches up perfectly IMO

and a #2 pick get it done we need another piece reese

I'm not saying it's happening, I have no idea if it will or not. So not sure why I need to apologize. I think that Denver is behind alot of this.

tool in the box either. I wonder how long it would take him to pick up the offense.

find out osi got mad because the giants are going to give edwards all of his $$$

extremely dumb to give up Steve Smith or Mario Manningham.

And they aren't trading Nicks or Barden.

Really, the only option here is Hixon or Moss. And Moss obviously doesn't have much trade value.

I agree... but do you think Hixon and a draft pick would be worth it for Edwards? I do. I like Hixon, but if we're trading for BE, I think Hixon makes the most sense as the guy to trade because of the skill set. Smith and Nicks are the guys I 100% do NOT trade and I'd be very opposed to trading Manningham or Barden, too.

sure we don't have the receiving corp right now, but at the same time you don't want to trade away our future. Hixon is the only one I would want to see in this trade.

Nicks could do everything Smith can and more. Like I said after thinking about it though, Nicks is too good to be used the way Smith is. I realize I only semi-retracted my statement.

this too late. I can see this being like Roy Williams going to the Cowboys last year. He never really got involved with their game plan.

Granted that was halfway through the year.

Hixon and 2nd seems a bit much, and remember Braylon would still need acclimated to the system, Eli, and will want a new contract.

Hixon only has 1 yr left on his contract, Mario has 3, including this year. Smith has 2 (god forbid).

It explains to me the rather surprising number of passes that were thrown Mannighman's way. It explains why Moss was sat. It explains why Hixon was back returning kicks and punts. Anyway, that's my guess and I'm sticking to it.

I read the entire post and things that catch the eye:

Hixon is in the last year of his contract.

Moss didn't play, not much value there, but speed is always eye catching. Did he not play to avoid injury. I can't really see it but one always has to wonder.

Manningham has taken a year to learn our playbook and get in key with Manning and still has some wrinkles to iron out. Why would cleveland want a receiver that has to come in and take year to learn a playbook. Lets face it he's not talent, but he's not the brightest crayon in the box. I would take a year or more before he'd do anything in brown.

Nicks, Smith, And Barden aren't going anywhere. Might I say, Barden and Edwards in the red zone with Boss.....Scary. I think hixon.....if this for real goes down.....and thanks Eric...I was having a calm day....goes with a 2nd or 3rd round pick. His turn around factor and result has a much faster return then Manningham.

Edwards is going to come in and have to learn our playbook.

Lastly and this is so far out there, but I'm serious, how about Moss for a body and our 1st rounder.......

I'm busting your balls. Love the info, keep it coming. We are all on the same team here.

Would be pissed to see Mario leave however.

I can think of.

PROS:

Pro bowl talent

If is in the upper tier of WRs, not the highest, but elite, semi-elite.

Would be a great X for us.

CONS:

Compensation to the Browns, a WR & draft pick

Money for his new contract could be a lot

Having to learn this offensive system, with very little time to go.



Does that sum it up? If not, feel free to add on.

It will never happen. Just to clarify though, would our wr and pick go to Denver?

would make this kind of move this late in camp.

I also don't think this is being talked about without a guy like Garafalo or Glazer not getting a sniff of it.

Hixon's bags? Pretty please?

opinion, which means it's as good a guess as anyone and probably very wrong, but I think it's possible Manningham was being showcased on Saturday. He more or less was in the entire game.

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I think some of you here don't really value what Smith brings to the offense. There is no proven receiver on the team who can get open is short areas,go over the middle,and catch the ball on third down like Smith. There are plenty of obvious passing downs when the blitzes come and Eli has to get rid of the ball quickly and Smith has the ability to get open quickly for crucial first downs. For those who think Nicks or anyone else on the current roster can do this,I'd like to see it for myself first. We have a rookie who played very well in the second half of a preseason games against bums and that isn't enough for me to get rid of our only proven receiver. I'd trade Manningham before Smith if it would bring Edwards.I think the pieces fit better this way.

would be a weird pick-up now, given the amount of drops we're already concerned about.

Ernie was quoted as saying that he only took Tackles high in the draft. If you can remember Aaron Gibson (who was a guard and turned out to be a bust ], but that's another issue) was more highly regarded by many, but Ernie steered the team in Luke's direction in 99 in the first round. No other Olinemen were given priority. He failed to resign Mike Rosenthal who was a marginal player, but imminently more qualified to start at ORT than the future Hall of Famer that they plugged in at that position named Ian Allen. It was a travesty.

Coughlin came in and immediately placed an emphasis on the line of scrimmage. They came away with O'Hara, who also came into the league as an UFA, but had a starting pedigree. He drafted Snee and was fortunate enough to have DD on the team. He solidified it all when he got McKenzie in here at RT. This sent a message that the Giants were once again about to become a forceful once again on the offensive side of the line of scrimmage. This didn't take place until Gentleman Jim was shown the door.

Hixon or Smith before Nicks, Manningham or Barden. We'd be getting back a better player than either and keeping the young talent.

Smith brings a certain element to this offense that not many realize. And he is proved "clutch" and has SB experience. Nicks was our 1st rounder this past year and while that alone does not neccesarily make him untouchable, that combined with his tremendous potential does.

trade Smith is fucking crazy. I'd only consider Moss or Heagan.

Go eat a bag of dicks.

anyway, at least for THIS YEAR..However, I'll play...If a trade was made, the Giants are not going to sacrifice any part of the season while an Edwards becomes assimilated here...They would need to keep it going for Eli during the adjustment period and that means, Smith, Nicks and Hixon/Manningham must remain, imo

was the one who loved Pettitgout. I think it was Lowell who accurately predicted that that's who McNally would likely want at that pick if we went Tackle.

definately not a #1 otherwise a WR would not be considered. I think it is Manningham and our #2 or #3. No way Smith, Nicks or Barden. No way.

think our depth youth wise at WR makes a deal involving one of them very possible without compromising our "young talent" at the position.

That won't quite get it done

More than you can say this current group is capable of. Only one of them has actually gone 1 on 1 with a starting NFL CB in a non-nickel package.

the giants can just sit on this. I really don't understand if they were this eager to pull the trigger. We got behind the jets D the other night. We had some drops but I just don't see the giants giving up so fast on these guys. I know we'd only be giving up one WR, but I just can't see Reese and company throwing in the towel

One more thing on the flip side. Could there be concern as I have seen mentioned that we don't scary any body and we have to bring in Edwards so that Teams don't stack the box to stop our run?

the Browns and Broncos. Why should we pay premium to relieve them of their current headaches?

is that the present receiving corps has a bigger case of the dropsies than even our buddy Braylon does..:o)

On the otherhand, it's only preseason and it doesn't mean all that much

would get our receiver. Cleveland has a ton of receivers right now. If they get Marshall they will still have Cribbs, Furrey, Stallworth, Massaquoi, Robiskie, and David Patten. Out of those guys, be realistic, would they cut one for Manningham who is unproven or Moss who is unproven. I think Cleveland will get our pick, most likely a 2nd and Denver will get our receiver.

Why not? Of course a draft pick as well, but I wasn't addressing the draft pick issue, just what I thought of the receiver situation.

lmao!

against other teams future cuts and he's developing and Mario has a problem learning the playbook? GIve me a break. some people think they know it all. mario is hands down the best WR on the team with the most potential, stop trying to deny it

would get the WR, not the Browns.

LOL.

So why enter a discussion about trades armed with players nobody wants?

[link]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/28/as-preseason-progresses-roster-cuts-loom/[/link]

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Those ticketed for release might not even play in this weekend's game. The reason? If a player who's about to be released gets injured, the team will be on the hook to either place the player on injured reserve or pay them an injury settlement. "Those guys that are getting cut on Tuesday, it's already too late for them," said the source. "They're terminal. They needed to play well last week."

Someone like Sinorice Moss??

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Meanwhile, teams with an eye toward the cut to 53 will be trying to showcase the better players who won't make their team. Their hope? Getting trade compensation for a player they're going to have to release.

Manningham sure did play a lot...

but I wouldn't give up Nicks or Manningham. Everyone else is fair game.

I don't get the BBI love affair with Smith. He'll be a good #2 - that's his ceiling. Nicks and Manningham have #1 potential. They are the untouchables IMO. I'd even protect Barden before Smith.

Edwards is a stud. With him on board, this O will be high octane again.

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You're counting Stallworth as one of their receivers?

Matt for clarfying that, I just posted why it makes no sense why Cleveland would get our receiver.

What a day...I leave for a few hours and I read this and the Osi thread?

Im gonna get drunk....

Please dont give up Smith or Manningham....

You really think Manningham won't make the team?

If this goes through, I'll change my handle to ILoveDicks.

totally slipped my mind, sorry.

Mario is hands down the best reciever on the team? He hasn't caught a fistful of passes in a game yet but he's hands down the best..

he seems to be focused and is poised to have a big season.

He wanted Luke. I stand corrected. Ernie certainly was not the OL affacianado. Further explaining Mouse's influence for that particular pick, and Coughlin's subsequent influence in later years with regards to a much stronger emphasis on the OL.

I'll hold you to that

IF the Broncos offseason ended up netting them Derek Anderson, Kyle Orton, and Domenik Hixon (who they cut) for Cutler and Brandon Marshall.

Really. Just fantastically awful.

the bad things that happened under his regime were his fault (like Moss) but the good things (like snee) were the result of someone else either Coughlin or Reese. If you want to think Accorsi neglected the iol while he acquired all 5 starters on one of the best olines in the league (4 of whom began their careers as iols) then go ahead, but it makes no sense

If a WR from us went to Denver, are some of you saying, hoping or implying that Hixon will be wanted back in Denver?

he would net the most, and the Giants knew that as well

get open against #1 defensive players in the preseason. Eli delivers the ball a bit faster and more are complete. The one slant in the jets game, a better pass and Mario blows right past the defense. He has the most upside out of the WR. Im not gonna get all wet cause Nicks has been eating up cuts and backups of other teams, and I like Nicks alot. Hixon is a ST player and a good backup WR, he can be the new Tyree. Too much faith being put in this man

Steve Smith's emotions are similar to Sheridan's. NONE. Trade em.

The Broncos wouldn't get Hixon or any other WR in this deal.

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I think the bigger question is would Hixon get past whatever mental block he had out there as a result of the Everett collision.

Although like Exit (although without the handle guarantee), I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell this happens, unless Edwards has seriously reconsidered his contract demands.

played guard as a rookie

neither do I...I was positive it was going down on or about draft time...It's really too late at this point imo

never played guard.

He was RT and then moved over to LT.

Edwards wants a lot more money than he's worth. If he's seen the light and realizes an uncapped year would cost him money then things may change.

Denver and Cleveland are both desperate - fleece them. Cleveland does not want to pick up both contracts and Denver is basically a beggar at this point.

yeah he did as a rookie. Didn't go to RT until the line was revamped

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Nicks and Manningham are the starters.

No reason for the Giants to go them with a high offer...They'll come down to the Giants and then it's up to them to make the deal, but only as they see fit on their terms.

P.S. Phil--I remember that prediction that Lowell made all those years ago, before I signed up for this board when I was a full-time lurker. Nice reminiscing about that!

Let's do this.

i admire his work to date as much as anyone but he's not infallible, no person is. do you think he feels a little bit more pressure to bring in a #1 WR now that the eagles have brought in the "#1 wildcat," so to speak?

If Manningham isn't traded, I think those are our starting WRs by week 10, maybe a few weeks earlier.

He's already making around 10, no? I have to believe the Giants were prepared to pay around that when supposed talks took place...I can't believe(at the time) that Reese was thinking of cutting BE down to 8 or less...That wouldn't make sense imo

And Braylon won't be a Giant. I look forward to that day.

What would Vick have to do with this?

about Manningham today. It was just odd how much he was targeted against the Jets. He was in the game with both the starters and with the reserves.

Given the fact that everyone close to the team has been raving about how great a training camp Sinorice Moss had been having, I also found it odd that he would be kept out of the game for the most part as some form of "punishment". Maybe we've all been looking at this the wrong way...

Personally, I haven't been all that impressed with Manningham thus far throughout the preseason - and I don't think he's not expendable. He's obviously had the most opportunities during these games, so he has drawn the most attention from us, but he has yet to do anything to make me think at this point he could jump up and be an impact player in the starting lineup.

This trade was rumored long before Vick was an Eagle. Besides, a more logical response would be to bring in a defender via trade, not a WR. If anything, the Eagles signing Vick was precipitated by the Giants stockpiling defensive lineman.

is making $5.35 million in 2009.

I couldn't disagree more about Manningham. He has speed to burn and is really smooth in and out of his breaks. Manningham has been very impressive, IMO.

Ripe for the pick'n!
fleece 'em! - ( New Window )

I think that this will be over one way or another this week for good. No trade means the coaches are cool with what is there. Simple as that.

Thanks...Hmmm

Many fail to realize that he is basically a rookie. Give the guy a season or two and the sky is the limit. Hixon can be very good. He never played WR much before last year. These guys have tons of potential. Big play potential.

Smith is not going to offer much in the way of impact or big plays. He does not scare defenders or keep coordinators up at night. Never will. He is like a bigger, stronger version of Chris Calloway. That's it. That's all. He will never make the pro bowl. He will never be missed.

He might be the best option at WR going into the season but that is not saying much.. It is only saying that he is the only one with significant experience. Give Manningham, Hixon, Nicks, and Barden some seasoning and you'll never miss Smith.

Moss is just not a football player no matter how loosely you use the term.

heartbeat.

guard for us as a rookie, then got a high ankle sprain and was relieved at guard by Mike Rosenthal.

I know if your going to trade someone you want to showcase their talent, but seriously you honestly believe that the front office goes to Manning and says "throw it to Manningham as much as you can because we want everyone to see what he can do"

Look at how much "coaching up" manningham has got in the preseason. Your telling me that all that time is spent for a trade? I think the reps are there for our own benefit and not that of another team. If I am wrong I am wrong, but hixon seems to be the tradeable option. I think Manningham is going to be great, but y would Denver or Cleveland want a guy who's like a redshirt freshman who's finally getting it here in NY, to come in and have to start all over again with learning a system. He's not even going to have the luxury of watching a training camp. I trade has be been of value in all directions. Manningham's value "right now" is in blue

The only way I'd really want to see this trade happen is if Hixon is the guy we lose along with a pick.

Not because I don't like Hixon.. but because I think Manningham probably has more upside.

I'm not knocking Eric, I'm sure his source is fine and it does make things interesting for a little while. I just thought we were past the Braylon Edwards bullshit. But the rumor decided to show up one last time to carry us through this home stretch. Ugh.

for a trade. Eli mentioned him too often in the offseason.

I wouldnt want to trade a WR however not named Moss. Hixon has good value as a punt and kick returned.

Luke was benched because of performance. A sprain ankle could have effected that, but he did not do well at guard.

If these rumors keep popping up then maybe it says something about how the FO feels about the WR corps. They might end up deciding to continue on as currently constructed.. which is probably the most likely scenario... but I think in general, you have to think that Reese probably would want to upgrade and bring in a guy like Edwards if he could do it for the right deal.

Bringing in Edwards would obviously change things, but I think Manningham can start this year.

I can't see Major Tom mixing up his priorities. He would never sacrifice getting the offense the proper work needed just to showcase Manningham to set up a trade. It's kind of ridiculous to even consider.

Maybe he wanted Manningham to get a ton of reps because he needs the work and we need Manningham. Just maybe.

comes in its not like there are not going to play the other guys.

Naybe, just maybe, it's Marshall coming here...Hehehehe

Many thought Rosenthal was the real prize in that he performed quite well in the Gout's absence.

Non sequitur here: Boy did Luke look out of place at LG. It seemed he was jumping offsides every other play...that always was a bugaboo of his (Weird that Gragg was like that for the Giants at RT as well for a bit).

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is that Manningham was not being showcased, but tested. Coaches threw a whole lot at him this camp, and I think they wanted to test him to see if he is ready for primetime. If he is, no trade. If he isn't, then they make the trade.

Those opposed to trading Manningham, why? Let's say he lives up to his talent. His ceiling is probably what Edwards already is. And Manningham is not THAT much younger than Edwards.

I am all for an all out fleecing. Get Edwards AND Marshal. You will get them dirt cheap, we would have an unstoppable offense and a pretty good D. Let these guys go as FA's, and recoup the 3rd rounders the next year as comp picks...

Made the deal and let's win the Super Bowl. We've seen a big enough sample size to see that this group isn't going to get it done. Give back Eli his security blanket.

He gets it this year...He said it himself...and it shows...

Way too much upside...

You can't be serious. That's a Madden trade.. not something you do in real life. That scenario would be absolute chaos.

you can't be addressing me, can you? Where did I say Marshall AND Edwards? I clearly said Marshall coming here

just thinking about it...

So it's not that hard.

about how strange I thought it was that Manningham was targeted so much during the game. I never saw that before and felt it odd that both quarterbacks went out of their way to get him the ball. If there is some substance behind this trade rumor then that does make sense to me. He was being showcased. Denver (or Cleveland) needed to see this guy in a real game. Neither team had any game tape on this guy. We didn't need to see him that much, we watch him every day during practice. I don't believe they were trying to coach him up with a dozen balls thrown his way. So maybe ...

asking if he had heard about a potential deal between the three teams. He asked for the source so I just said somebody with conenctions to the team.

Mort then responded by saying the Browns won't pay Edwards so why would they pay Marshall- Sorry...

So from my perspective, if Mort says NO, then this deal is going to happen... :)

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I don't see this trade happening.

BB56-Go powder your balls.

enough of a sample size? Seriously? Holy fuck?

Its possible they view Marshall as the better receiver and worthy of big money. Unwillingness to pay Player A doesn't prove an unwillingness to pay anyone who plays Player A's position.

Really?

huh????

I think he's decent, and I understand that he's still a young player - but this is what makes him a valuable trade option. If, hypothetically, the Giants are going to acquire someone like Braylon Edwards they would likely have to give up someone with a least a bit of upside if not a high draft pick.

But it's hard to overlook the facts: Manningham practically played the entire game (with both Eli and Carr at QB) and was targeted more than any other receiver. Also, out of all of the receivers currently on the team, Sinorice Moss was raved about the most during training camp - yet he wasn't featured at all in the last game.

I also think that the Giants really like Derek Hagan, and appreciate the amount experience he has in the NFL compared to the other WR's on the squad. All I'm saying is that if the Giants are legitimately shopping one of their receivers, I think in all likelihood it's gotta be Manningham based on what we know.

are untouchable for me. Hixon, Smith or Mario going would make me said, but if TC and Reese were good with that, I'd be OK.

I'd be surprised if this pans out.

was targeted so much because the he gets open. Maybe he the primary target.

and also what would that say to a guy like manningham. "thanks for all the hard work, you just about has it figured out, but don't let that door hit ur ass on the way out and good luck learning that new system" Come on folks. Manningham isn't going anywhere.

Hixon is not a sexy trade. MM plus a 2 makes sense. My issue is, would Mangenius want Marshall?

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Beckum is predominantly a receiving threat.

BB56-Just kidding. I thought you said I was all wet.

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Smith is the closest the Giants have to that. None of them would be a complete surprise as trade bait aside from Nicks and Barden.

I did not say wide receivers. Wake up

wasn't me

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I'd bet he plays more like a WR than a TE.

how much of a FACTOR can Edwards be this year, coming in with zero experience with our intricate offensive system? If my memory serves me correctly, Williams was a non-factor for Dallas when he came in, mid season...

you guys seriously think Manningham got so much playing time to be showcased. The front office, told Manning and Carr to target him as much as possible to advertise him. ARE YOU SERIOUS. Come on guys! He was out there because he needs the work, the reps and the live game action that will benefit his team this season. He was thrown to because he got open. I'm sorry but I just don't think our QB's featured him so much in order to enlighten a possible trade.

... what he wants. One great season. Bad hands (probably not even an argument). Headcase.

In bigtime trouble. You guys are in denial and I hope with all my heart that im wrong but some of you are settin yourself up for a big letdown.

Make. The. Trade.

The Eagles just added a big time offensive playmaker. I don't think Reese operates like this, but just consider the possibility, maybe he feels the need to counter by adding a playmaker on offense too.

Hixon and a 3rd

Though I think it is Manningham since the return situation is "crystal clear" and Hixon was returnin punts in the dress rehearsal preseason game.

But its not out of the question. I'm sure they're keeping the options open as well as the lines of communication with Cleveland, but these deals aren't easy to pull off and we are talking about exchanging a lot of salary here.

Referring to your 9:05 post. I guess it was meant for someone else. I was just kidding with you in good fun. Peace. Go Giants!! :)

arcarsenal-What is your point? Mine is that we don't need Edwards and his deva act here. We've got the players we need already. They just need to learn and grow.

sorry

the way i see it,the reason moss didn't play much on saturday is because the giants did not want him to get injured before the trade.if this trade is to come about ,i can see the giants giving up moss and anywhere from a 3rd to 7th rounder to get it done.there's no way mm,rb,hn,ss,or dh is going anywhere.for those of you that think it's hixon,even if he doesn't start at wr,he has to much special teams value to give up,not to mention as someone before said,the browns already have josh cribbs.

Eric is correct.the talk is very hot about the trade. I am hearing it will be manningham and a #2 for edwards to cleveland. Or Giants may trade straight with Denver for Marshal

players in the future if this trade is made.

You and I are on the same page. Just to reiterate a point. No one is saying that we should trade Manningham or that we don't think he has a lot of upside. Given the odd slant on passing during the Jets game it does fit the scenario of a 'showcase'. I'm not saying it's going to happen it just explains things to me.

Whoever said he was targeted because he was open is not being very realistic. It's very rare that somebody gets targeted that much at the expense of other receivers on your team during an exhibition game.

get saturday morning at Costco.

Manningham was a rookie last year
Hixon was in his first year as starter
Nicks and Barden are Rookies this year

How is that a fucking big enough sample size?

If the Giants are in big time trouble, it will be related to the health of of Canty, Bernard, Boley, Robbins, Cofield, Ross and Pierce

chime in any time here, how about some personal thoughts. nevermind the rumors

a 7th round pick wont get you a girl from my U13 rec league team.

so draft pick wil not be a no 1.

the ability the recievers showed to get open was not. I'm still not convinced a trade is necessary.

Edwards is a headcase? Huh? There's been one issue since he's been in the NFL.

I did say that, but it was meant in jest for the ENTIRE board...It should have read, perhaps all of you are all wet

the Broncos are the ones pushing, if the Giants want to be involved is another matter, but the timing matches up for what I heard was their evaluation and decision if to go with what they have or make a trade. If there is no trade, then the coaches and front office are on the same page and happy with the WRs, so that's good enough for me, even with my well known pro-Edwards stance.

I have to agree with the fact that our WR's were getting open and gettin open deep. Manning did overthrow a couple balls and there were drops, but it wasn't like he had to throw balls away or take a sack... the potential is there.

from his tirade today..Jerry may have made it slip between text messages

Only MM (ruling out NIcks and SMith) has great upside. Add a #2 pick and its do-able. Anything else and youre playing games.

Tick tock diner source of course

receiver against the Jets on Saturday then the Giants are in serious trouble. Except on maybe 1 or 2 passes, Manningham never really got much separation from the defender. A lot of the passes that were thrown to him were deflected away. I think Carl Banks accurately pointed out during the game that Eli was placing the ball perfectly on the timing routes, but Manningham was just slow out of his breaks.

And you don't have to instruct the quarterback to throw to a specific player in order to feature that receiver in the offense. Obviously, the final choice of where to put the ball falls on the QB but most passing plays that are called always have a number 1 option of where the ball should go.

I'd love to get Edwards, even with his drops, because he'd keep defenses honest. I suspect the receiver is either Hixon or MM, but more likely Hixon.

Well, I'll be glued to BBI for the next several days...not like I'm not already.

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For Braylon freakin Edwards? You gotta be joking me. Manningham isn't going anywhere, and the Giants certainly aren't giving up that much for the rights to pay capt stone hands 10 mil per. Remember, the Browns are getti g their receiver from Denver in this scenario.


Hixon and a 4 sounds about right to me, the Browns can't continue to play hardball with Braylons eventual massive contract staring them in the face. Manningham was thrown at because he's young and he's talented. He's more valuable than Hixon at this stage, IMO.

a big Hixon guy, but he doesn't have upside?

Is that serious?

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hahahahaha

tell me this, How would another team want a receiver who's slow on the uptake to begin with, want manningham. Upside alone? Your talking another 2 to three years before the results would even pan out.

it's funny

Why would the Browns want Marshall? They don't want to pay Edwards so why would they pay Marshall? It doesn't make sense.

This is not going to happen. No way no how.

GREAT. Hixon is a quality #3 and has top KR potential. He doesnt strike fear into the hearts of defenses. BE does.

would you take Marshall or Edwards given our type of offense and QB?

with all the jersey money he's swimming in.

Not a bad idea considering what we've seen in pre-season and the SB window is open now. Hixon is the only guy I'd like to see go.

As for Matt. You really should just stop. In fact, you shouldn't even be allowed to comment on BA.

It was funnier when I thought he was just legitimately stupid. Now he's trying too hard :)

(incl me) that MM has untapped potential. Maybe not #1, but a highly complimentary #2. As a U of M grad I watched MM and BE play a fair amt. MM was very good good but BE was scary good.

didn't exactly endear himself to potential suitors. That little episode can't be ignored by anyone.

I don't think this is going to happen. At the end of the day he's going to want a ton of money. The Giants have a salary structure and a plan. I don't think they'll deviate from it. He says he wants 10 mil. I don't see it.

When does Marshall's initial contract expire? We know BE's does after this season...If Marshall has a few years left, then the Browns would have time to see how he fits in before renegotiating, no?

one issue there, the Browns wanted to pay Edwards, he doesn't want to stay there and rejected their extension offers and finally got put on the block, but the Browns held out for a first and the Giants and Eagles both didn't budge and nothing happened. It would be the ultimate change of scenery trade if it ever happened. Edwards to NY, Marshall to Cleveland, Anderson to Denver.

is that some are passionately lobbying to go get Edwards, a gut known for dropping the football, to remedy a receiving corps which ... dropped several footballs Saturday.

Moss to cleveland for pick..Manningham to Denver and pick

have to do with what you will or won't do for another player? Marshall has great hands, his issue is off the field. Edwards doesn't want to be in Cleveland and drops passes..

The argument about not wanting to pay Edwards has no baring on whether the Browns would take on Marshall.

I just can't see Denver taking MM or Hixon back...it would be a PR disaster. I'm wondering if it's possible Broncos are thinking of trading Marshall to the Giants for Hixon and a 2nd, then trading Hixon and a 2nd to Cleveland for Edwards.

Hixon has roots in that area, and it makes sense that Cleveland would want a special teams guy that can play WR, as well as a high draft choice. Getting Edwards would pacify the Bronco fanatics. The only question is if we would take Marshall.

1 - no way Reese is giving up anything more than a fourth or fifth round pick in any event

2 - Manningham is a possibility - and since he was a third rounder - that reinforces - maybe a fifth round pick added in

3 - Reese would be more inclined to trade Moss than Manningham - but I do think Manningham is expendable

4 - No way Hixon, Smith, Nicks or Barden get traded - Smith is proven money on the field - Hixon is more valuable as a returner than as a receiver - he's not going anywhere - Nicks and Barden are new first and third rounders and they may be money

fair enough ;) I should point out officially, I didn't send Eric the info that prompted this post. I'm looking forward to this being soon enough one way or another though.

waves hi! =)

BobGlauber More rumors making rounds that the #Giants are going to trade for Braylon Edwards. Would be huge upset. I'm told Giants just not interested

Shouldn't you, manh george and some others be working on all the diagrams and schemes that will showcase all the young talent that will emerge this year to easily overcome the huge loss of Plax? (GRIN)...

Couldn't resist..:o)

Edwards. Nicks. Smith. Jacobs. Bradshaw. Is unfair to the rest of the league.....

its been a long year hasnt it haha

to me is Cleve taking Marshall. I havent followed Mangini that closely but after that tantrum it seems a tough sell. If they bite tho the rest could easily fall into place. When youre winning superbowls, salary structure negotiation becomes a little more flexible.

How quickly could this be resolved?

It's got a 5% chance of happening so I'm sure it will be over soon.

the plus for Mangini is it clears both Anderson and Edwards from their team and brings them back a young, strong WR. That clears the way for Quinn to start and Mangini also brought in that Jets QB in the draft day trade, so there is your backup. There are a ton of leaps of faith here, and it appears as though the Broncos are the ones driving this.

Braylon Edwards also has played at a Pro-Bowl level in this league.. which none of the current WR's have done. At least not yet. You don't catch 16 TD passes by accident.

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I agree with you on the options, but NFL open can be a half step. Banks commented on one comback route in the `1st quarter and yes, he was a little soft, but how many times was he grabbed at by the defender because the defender was beat. My biggest reason for not buying into this idea is because he is way to slow in learning a system for another team to invest the time in him at this point. I just don't like the whole idea of showcasing a player. What if he got hurt? People would be screaming about how he had to much playing time and what were the giants thinking. Now you have nothing to trade in the end anyway. All I am saying is that in a list of options ,I think manningham isn't near the top.....at this point.

Give him a contract, keeping him here as long as Eli, i think we have a formidable tandem for quite a few years.

And if Nicks untapped potential comes even remotely close to "Boldin" like talent -- with Smith, we have a receiving core that rivals any in the league...

And that's not counting what Barden or Hixon can bring to the table, if it is MM who goes...

supposed draft pick is any higher than a # 4 if the WR is MM.I wouldn't give any of the NYG's top 5 WRs and the second round pick for Edwards.

I don't know, but I think this week.

Micko,

I think it's on the coaches, to be honest. If they are happy, then 0%, if not, then they pull the trigger.

good point as I had forgotten about Anderson. As crazy as this sounds, its making more sense to me the more I consider it. I dont see a team who loses here.

they sat Moss out from the first team on Saturday...Moss is the receiver they are gonna trade! lol

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thank you for that Go Terps

Will we pay him what he wants?

Smith for Edwards? Not saying that Smith is the guy, but wouldn't Smith be the most tempting piece to get a trade done?

But it's good for Eric's web traffic, so at least there's that...

At this point it's all I can muster in this long, tired saga.

however they are talkin about getting a DE from Giants in return....
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How the Bronco front office could walk the streets after (in effect) trading Cutler and Marshall for Orton and Manningham/Hixon. That kind of trade would make Al Davis flip in his grave.

That's why I suggested a variant; I can see the Broncos trying to get Edwards, and Hixon is really a good fit in Cleveland.

No charts required

Since the goal is an offense which keeps the defense off balance....do you think three good recievers and a good 3rd year TE all of whom could be the target on any given play... is a better situation ...than one very good (but not great) WR having a bad year who we over rely on hoping for a glimpse of the old days, plus a very aged ex good Wr and a second year TE and a 2nd year oft injured slot reciever?

and why in the hell would we do that? What would TEMPT us to trade the most reliable WR on the team?

need the Giants involved. If they want to make this trade it seems that they should be able to put a package together themselves.

Did you make that site?

are in crisis mode and ppl in crisis do crazy things sometimes...

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The Giants just lost Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer. They just drafted Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden. Nicks is slow catching on at the NFL level and it is very questionable whether Eli is happy with his receivers. Actually, based on recent interviews, I would say it is doubtful Eli is happy with them. And good news for the Broncos in a potential trade, is that the Giants D-line is loaded with talent: Kiwanuka, Tuck, Umenyiora. Those are just the D-ends. The D-line also happens to be the place the Broncos are lacking. I would say a lineman and a mid to late round draft pick are pretty likely. At least, a lot more likely than the other "rumors".

" 5. Marshall to the Giants

The Giants just lost Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer. They just drafted Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden. Nicks is slow catching on at the NFL level and it is very questionable whether Eli is happy with his receivers.

Actually, based on recent interviews, I would say it is doubtful Eli is happy with them."



HOW THE F*CK WAS THAT PERCEIVED?

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(Pat) Kirwin said that Nicks is in class of Dwayne Bowe and Eddie Royal as far as rookie receivers who put up big numbers. PK expects Nicks to have at least 50 receptions and thinks the Giants receiver corp as a group will develop nicely through the season.

That definitely requires a chart,

lol

the same thing

and it saves Tyree who is a Coughlin guy and Manning favorite. And it makes BJ and Bradshaw very happy.

This turned into a chaotic thread.

I'm not buying this rumor whatsoever. It would make no sense at all for Cleveland. I swear, as long as Braylon Edwards is involved in a BBI thread, it reaches 200+ posts within a couple of hours.

This thread even exceeded that number of posts. We're not getting Edwards, boys. Don't get your hopes up, or hopes down, depending on how you feel about the rumors.

again it's speculation. Whomever.. is going to want a proven player. You are right, Smith is the only one who fits the bill. If you'd do Smith for Edwards, straight up, and be happy, then why not Smith and a 6th or 7th?

Edwards to the Broncos does make a hell of a lot more sense.

$100 million for? Why can't we develop our own talent at WR? If our WRs aren't good enough then something is wrong with our WR scouting, WR coach, evaluators, and/or Eli.

If McNabb can put up an above average season with sh1tty WRs, then why can't we?

Why can't we let our young guys develop and prove us wrong? We always jump to conclusion before the season starts. Remember last year? "We're so loaded at DE." Then Osi goes down and our D is gassed at the end of the season. Now we have no WRs, and the season hasn't even started.

"Our WRs can't catch." Well, by that logic and impatience...neither can Edwards.

"But Eli has a SB ring and McNabb doesn't. That's the difference."

Well Steve Smith, Hixon, etc have a ring and Edwards doesn't.

If we fail to make the playoffs (w/o this number 1 magical WR we don't have or don't get), it won't be because of Edwards. It'll be because of Eli, the O-line, and or the coaches/scouting.

If the Eagles can find a D. Jackson and the Saints can find that 7th round WR that they have, then so can we.

One guy isn't going to take us all the way. What if Edwards gets hurt before the playoffs? What do we do then? It's about time we develop our own players and develop a plan B. Plaxico has spoiled us w/ his WR play in his prime. Unless we steal Edwards like we did with R. Droughns, Reese needs to stay put and let the highest paid player in the NFL make players around him better because McNabb and Brady have done it before. Unless Edwards is Randy Moss.....

and picks. Give me a break.

true possession WR we have, at least so far. I would hate to see him go, agree.

they've got to keep Hixon.

Getting Edwards and moving Hixon to returns is a huge upgrade at two spots.

You've got to be suspicious of Manningham getting 100 balls last game. Showcase?

but bronco fans must be yakking. Anderson for Marshall? sheesh.

I'd trade any receiver not named Nicks, Manningham or Barden. Smith and a 5th.

in any deal. While Edwards maybe more explosive, I'm not sure that the WR corps as a whole would be much improved with the addition of Edwards and the loss of Smith.

Not to mention Smith is Eli's go to guy.

We arent looking to have "an above average season." We're looking to win the Super Bowl. Now. Like the Eagles. Who signed MIchael Vick.

"It might even be more difficult for Manningham, and not because of the reported six (20 is average) he scored on the Wonderlic intelligence test given at the scouting combine in February. His real trouble comes because the Michigan offense he played in "is not always up to date," said teammate Amani Toomer, another Michigan alum.

"It's different than it was at Michigan," Manningham said. "At Michigan, it was man or zone. That's all you needed to know. Now you need to know what the backside corners are doing, what the water boy is doing, and everybody else."

That's because the Giants have an offense that employs a "streak-read principle" for its receivers. The routes don't just depend on the play that's called in the huddle. They have to make sight adjustments when they get to their spot in the formation based on where the cornerbacks and safeties are aligned.

"You've got to look at DBs and (middle) linebackers. You've got to look at the whole defense," Manningham said. "The routes depend on what the coverage is. You come out and you know what you've got to do, but it may change the whole thing after you get done looking at the coverage.""
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straight up. How many TD's does Smith have as a Giant? Smith is the leading reciever on the Giants because his competition has been Moss, thats why.

agrees...lol

but it sure needs to.

accurate. i remeber someone on sirus quoting them on the cutler trade

the Browns don't want Marshall. The Browns are trying to bring in certain players and Marshall doesn't fit the type.

and Smith couldn't take his spot. I do agree that Smith is the most proven reciever on the Giants now, it boils down to which reciever brings Edwards

we can still win the SB. He did it in '07 didn't he?

How many draft picks have we spent on WRs in the past 3 years? And if we trade for Edwards, add those draft picks as well.

Edwards will only cure last year's issues. Not this year's.

Which WR let the Giants in receptions last year? Seriously, how some people are willing to let the safety net of our QB go is beyond me. But, this is BBI.

Again, what happened in 06 when the safety WR got hurt?

"I've heard nothing about it. Everything I hear says the Giants are standing pat......right now" ? / end quote

Makes me glad none of these people are running the team. They would trade 1/2 of our draft picks and smith just to get Braylon

I'm not sure your statement makes sense. The Broncos would be sending Marshal to the Browns. Am I incorrect?

Edwards couldn't handle Michigan fans, but he can handle NY?

Edwards isn't going to live up to the contract he wants because he won't put up numbers in our windy, cold stadium.

He'll be playing against top CBs/defenses and a lot are in this division.

took us pretty far last season. Some people just seem to overate their teams players. Smith is a very good WR but to stop us from getting a true #1, you're just out of ur mind

Some seem to not like him on here, but he clearly backs up things he says with decent arguments that make sense.
I agree. Smith is not the wideout that needs to go if we bring braylon in.

Yes, the safety net took us far. So, you fckin add to him!!! You don't trade him away. Duh.

half the people saying trade Smith would be calling him untouchable.

I thought it made more sense for the Broncos to trade Marshall to the Giants for Hixon/Draft Choice, then send Hixon and a draft Choice for Edwards. Cleveland won't take Marshall, but Hixon and a draft choice might be attractive to them.

Hixon saw little time as a starter. Toomer is a year older than dirt and Buress did squat when he played and missed 1/3 of the year. I don't know either, you are making a good argument, it's a very tough call.

Anybody else is fair game to me besides the rookies.

People go nuclear over one game.

And your point is?

I know he was in the season finale against Philly.

We sure could've used a play or to two there. 2 catches, 17 yards.

I agree he's a safety net. His potential as a differencemaker is more theory than truth.

However, he is still untouchable imo...He's Eli's main guy...His clutch, go-to safety net...He's not going anywhere

Delete this dumbness

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but the number of flat out dummies here amazes me. Obviuosly if it's a 3 way the Giant player and draft pick go to Denver... not Cleveland. Cleveland gets Marshall...du oh.
How many couldn't figure that one out is simply amazing.

but if we're talking about trading one of our guys, I'd trade
Manningham way before Smith or Hixon. And Nicks and Barden are off the table as well

Manningham and third for Braylon? Yeah, I'd do that if his contract goals were reasonable....

you're an idiot

He wasn't drafted to be the #1 WR. He was drafted to the #2 guy, which will he will do this year and did the better part of last year.

It's brilliant though on here. Trade the #2 WR away just to get a #1 guy who drops a lot of passes and is proving to be a headcase in Cleveland that will cost a bunch. You add to the core that's PROVEN talent and he's the only proven guy right now.

You NEVER take your QB's most reliable target away. Never.

that's right.. Difference maker? I'm not so sure the Giants can count on him for a big play any more than the other 2. That's my stance thus far.

but from going to camp, watching games, and listening to Eli I would start to believe that manning is getting pretty comfortable with MM. But I guess I just am seeing things. Oh wait, I forgot, thats all just to showcase MM to the league. Keep overrating your favorite players instead of seeing things that are happening.

The only receiver I would THINK about trading are:

Hixon
Moss
Hagen
Tyree

Everyone else has the potential to be productive in this offense.

from the moment he steps on the field. We have no one like that. maybe one day Nicks.

how u guys can want to give up smith. hes the new amani for years to come..
Plus manningham is getting his chance to shine now and i feel that he will be able to be a big part of our offense..
Not to mention that Nicks is going to be a beast, its going to take time for barden but hes going to be a solid player in the redzone for us..

If we trade i say give up hixon,moss,tyree. any of them are good to give up but Smith,manningham,nicks,barden are players we need to keep

1 great season... but JR must be really sold on the kid to keep going after him... or is it Marshall he's after?

This will all go down as the big BBI offseason asshat fiasco of 2009.

I said weeks ago in "Letters" that I didn't think Edwards was out of the picture for the Giants (just a gut feeling there, no "inside" info).

I have no idea if the Giants are interested in Edwards. I have no idea of what they really feel about Hixon and Manningham (or what the Browns do).

I do think there is interest on the part of the Browns to move Edwards (because of his contract and he won't want to stay there when it is up) and the Broncos to move Marshall (for obvious reasons). But are the Giants involved? I have no clue. As BBI has become bigger, some folks use it to float stuff, others to play games.

doesnt get you anything but fired

Maybe you should try reading.

As stated in Eric's post, Denver is getting Anderson at QB, and cleveland is getting our pick and player.

Now stfu and stop incorrectly correcting people.

here we go again. As if the last time we spoke about various "asshat" sources and Braylon Edwards, anything of significance happened. What a deserving label for those unidentified sources -- "asshat". It's just perfect.

about how we're desperate for a #1 receiver it's the Denver's and the Cleveland's that are pushing us for a trade, and maybe it's just JR's doing his due diligence and listening, and then politely, turning them down.

that I just don't agree with.

Manning had great success in college with absolute JUNK at receiver. You plug in guys that run routes to the letter and catch balls and know the game and it's going to work. He's already got a developing relationship with Manningham. You can see it on the field.

Smith might be the most fundamentally sound WR since Toomer in his prime, and he's certainly gifted, but you have to give something to get something. Smith is not an 80-catch, 12 touchdown type NFL WR.

marshall,manningham and a pick for just derek anderson.

more likely is manningham and anderson to denver and marshall and a draft pick to cleveland

a 3rd & 5th rounder done

during the course of this thread. The point that you never take away a QB's favorite target is a great one. I just see it as Smiths shoes are the easiest to fill. Maybe the chemistry between Smith and Manning can't be duplicated, I don't know.

... for Exit 172 to change his handle. Don't think your post is going to get lost in 500+ replies!!

i hope that trade happens cause I wanna see that chat name LOL !!!

wasnt it manninham or smith cleveland wanted earlier

develop Manningham. You don't trade away the security blanket WR. You just don't do that.

Again, too many on here have forgotten how poor the passing game was in 06 after Toomer went down. The argument of, "well the $100M man should be able to do it without Smith" is not acceptable.

You don't take the #2 guy away just to add a #1. You add to to the mix.

looks like broncos fans have caught some wind of this also
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willing to bet its Hixon

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, uses BBI as a way to "float" information. No offense, and don't take this any way other than it's written, but that is a pretty conceited statement.

While we have a small little corner of the world to discuss our mostly unhealthy addiction to this team, thinking that what is said and read here has any actual effect on the state of the Gmen and a potentially major NFL trade is nothing short of comical (as tiki would say)

easily be a NYG for 10 or more seasons. IF he were old, then maybe you let him go. He's in his third freakin year and he's proven be very reliable.

just give that big fast target you MUST deal with on every play which opens the offense up for everyone else. He can ddrop some passes but he is a big play threat..

drive Moss to Cleveland MYSELF...

He's done it before. Reese himself has been quoted as saying it.

Eli isn't a child. He doesn't need a security blanket.

Plaxico wasn't a warm, fuzzy teddy bear. He was a playmaker that wanted the ball and knew what to do with it in his hands. Manning has been to the postseason before Steve Smith, and will be again if he's not a part of this team.

Saturday and he still isn't.


I don't get why Cleveland would do this deal. They would trade one disgruntled WR who wants to be paid for another? Do they simply like Marshall more than Edwards?

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One thing is absolutely for sure.. BigBlue779 : 10:29 pm Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, uses BBI as a way to "float" information. No offense, and don't take this any way other than it's written, but that is a pretty conceited statement. While we have a small little corner of the world to discuss our mostly unhealthy addiction to this team, thinking that what is said and read here has any actual effect on the state of the Gmen and a potentially major NFL trade is nothing short of comical (as tiki would say)

see JohnF 10:14 post.

You're probably right, but BBI "asshats" have broken a few stories...signing Kenny Holmes, Plaxico's first visit to the Giants, Eli Manning trade (with details), interest in LaVar Arrington.

we'll all be dancing in the streets of NYC.

Now I'm thirsty.

paging madtr1

all I can say, from my side of things, the last information that I got (and I verified with some people who post on here who would know), was that after minicamp, the coaches were concerned with WR and if things didn't go well in camp/pre-season, they would likely try to make a trade. At the start of camp I was told that the 2 spots that are the most scrutinized were going to be WR and LB, and if things looked questionable near the end of the pre-season (ie, the Jets game), they would look to make a deal. This weekend I was told that the Broncos were pushing Marshall and trying to line up a bunch of stars. When you posted this, my assumption is that this is what was being heard. Ralph's twitter post that what he's hearing is they are staying pat....for now, is accurate based on what I had heard as well. As I've said time and again, the stuff I hear is heard by the beat guys as well, but they have to source as a professional. I've backed off posting things that I hear because it causes too much of a circus at this point. All I can say is that I really believe it's on the coaches. If Coughlin, Gilbride, and Sullivan are happy, then the Giants move on and won't be a part of any discussions. If they are not, then I think they jump in. I don't know where they are leaning, but last I heard, before camp, was that they were going with what they had. Which essentially is what Ralph wrote.

I'd rather give up Hixon than Manningham, but I'm not sure why.

that's probably because Hixon has only 1 yr left on his deal and the likelihood of re-signing him after this year in my opinion is not good anyhow.

Absolutely, and that is why I keep checking this thread. There is no doubt that we have some legit insiders around (including you).

My point was more to the fact that you were alluding that teams and the media use BBI as a way to float either legit or misinformation in the mindgames that surely circulate whenever significant moves are pondered by franchises.

I certainly mean no offense and absolutely I love it that this is even being discussed. If nothing else it's a way to spend a lazy monday night :0)

about LB in all honesty.

here. They are clearly in cost-cutting mode and they have made some very questionable moves since the start of the offseason.

I understand the following:
- Cleveland gets rid of Braylon Edwards, who wants out
- Cleveland gets to rid itself of Derek Anderson's contract
- Cleveland exchanges Edwards for a player of even greater talent

Makes sense, except...

- Cleveland gets back a wide receiver who probably has no desire to play in Cleveland with Brady Quinn and would most likely throw a fit unless he was handsomely paid to STFU.

I'm not an insider and never claimed to be.

I personally think they will go with what they have. Pound the ball on offense with Jacobs and then Bradshaw, utilize Boss a lot, and hope a few of the WR's can do some things.

But it doesn't make sense to me. Why would the Browns want him?

What does make sense is Cleveland getting SOMETHING for Edwards before he walks this year for free.

and the fact that Smith is a very smart player. Truthfully his ability is not the deciding factor the way I see it.

The Browns have to intend to pay Marshall 1) immediately and 2) a king's ransom for this deal to make sense, or else they're not getting anything of worthwhile value for Braylon Edwards. A more talented receiver who will act like a MUCH bigger prick if he's unhappy than your current malcontent does not strike me as a net gain.

and a 12 pack of diet coke.

It will be a huge mistake. The guy can start for us and we could have him starting opposite Nicks for years. I would rather the Giants just go with the guys we have. You guys want to trade him, a pick and pay a gigantic salary to boot. I wouldn't do the deal straight-up at this point, I like our team.

Unless the Browns liked Marshall a lot more than Edwards (and were willing to pay him because of that), none of this makes sense.

good point

a reserve center, safety, Dt and a starting caliber LB would help us more.

Hell a better FG kicker might have as much of an impact

And let me just say, I would be the happiest man alive if Mario Manningham took off from day 1.

Big fan.

But Mario for Braylon, I'm probably doing that deal. The Giants are 80% going to the playoffs. Edwards makes it much more likely they make noise when they get there.

Moss, and probably Hixon for Edwards at this point. And I really don't even care for Braylon Edwards all that much.

is that most people here are dying for information like this and love the chatter and banter but yet still rip the person or people who posted the information. Believe or not believe but you don't need to rip the person for posting what they heard.

and thank god you're not our GM.

Edwards
Hixon
Smith
Nicks
Barden
Hagen
Talk about a great WR core.

Have a blast.

leave tha Canole...

I don't see how any of those 4 guys (individually) would keep anyone from making this deal.

it's still a bunch of potential, which is shit until it's proven talent. You have no idea if Edwards would pan out. He could, or he could blow up the lockeroom and turn into another headcase.

The rest of the core is still unproven for the most part.

reporting this possible trade now

I don't think so.

thanks though man

there wouldn't be any need for Eric to post it as an Asshat Alert.

'Cause you've got...circularity.

Some people here need to get a life, or another site.

who supposedly initiated the trade give a rat's ass if the Browns traded Edwards to the Giants in exchange for Sinorice Moss and a bag of chips? IF Denver wants to deal Marshall for Anderson, and Cleveland makes a deal of Edwards for a Giant draft pick & WR, how the fuck is that a three way trade? Only if the Giants trade the WR to Denver does it make any sense. Maybe the WR plus the draft pick to Denver, maybe the WR to Denver and the pick to the Browns, but in no way does it make any sense or should it matter shit to the Broncos if the Giants get Edwards for a player and pick...

TRADED TO THE BROWNS - capiche?

BTW, exactly as Eric wrote it up... "the Giants trade a pick and player for Edwards" Nowhere did Eric write the Giants will trade a player and pick TO THE BROWNS for Edwards. Think about it if you can.

im just asking if theres anything like this going on, on any other sites no need to be a D Bag about it

Marshall>Edwards>Anderson>Giant's WR> draft pick

Which is why the scenario of the Browns getting Marshall + Giant WR + draft pick for Edwards and Anderson doesn't make sense. Denver is getting fleeced in that deal.

I wasn't referring to you.

Giants are good with what they have now.

I'm guessing it breaks down as:

Giants get: Edwards

Browns get: Marshall and (maybe) Giants pick

Broncos get: Anderson, Giants WR, and (maybe) Giants pick.

The question is, if the Browns or Broncos would get the Giants pick.

The benefit for the Browns is they upgrade from Edwards to Marshall, and they solve their QB controversy and free up that money. With money freed up from Edwards and Anderson, there is plenty to make Marshall happy, which was the whole point behind his actions to begin with, money.

The Broncos benefit by getting a QB since they were behind the 8 ball when the Cassel trade failed and they were forced to trade Cutler. Anderson is better than Orton and would be a huge upgrade. They get rid of a malcontent in Marshall and get back a young Giants WR to fit in with Royal (with Manningham and Hixon the most likely targets).

And the Giants would upgrade from the departed WR to Edwards. Hypothetically if this deal would happen, it would be considered an upgrade by Reese and the coaches, or else they wouldn't do it.

Will any of it happen? I have no clue. If the Giants coaches are not happy, then my guess is yes (if not this deal, some deal to bring in a WR). If they are happy, then there is nothing to see here and the Broncos would need to find another dance partner.

And we'd still hear rumors about the Giants trading for him. I'm not getting my hopes up again. If it happens great, if not we'll be fine.

Oh and those of you who would trade Smith are nuts.

I don't see it. Sure Smith and Hixon had some mistakes, but after watching again, our passing game had some good moments. I'm not convinced that our receivers can't do the job. The Smith drop was painful, but he was open deep more than once. Hixon's miss was more concerning, IMO. But still, I think we're OK and better every game with the current crew. Especially with Nicks getting better. I think Steve Smith is being severely underrated.

don't get riled up people. No one else is reporting this.

They are in bad shape at the QB position. Derek Anderson won once in this league, maybe they think they can do it again. I don't think Anderson is a better option than Kyle Orton, but Orton isn't exactly winning people over in Denver.


My feeling since the beginning of these rumors back in the winter has been that Braylon won't end up on the Giants. It doesn't make sense..he's not the type of player you break the bank for, and the Giants aren't a Braylon Edwards away from anything. Take into consideration the fact that he'll demand a new contract, a big contract, and it just doesn't work out.

There's always at least one big rumor over the course of the offseason..one player who makes BBI crazy, and this year it's Edwards. In fact I don't think another player has divided BBI so much ever before, and I don't think any rumor has persisted for so long. When it's all said and done, Braylon will be a Brown this season and the Giants will succeed or fail with the receivers already in house. I think it's the best result for Big Blue.

Something BIG to happen at 3:00PM tomorrow..

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Night BBI.

Fags.

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... Having complete say. Edwards will want a chunk of change. Reese will need to bless his demands.

sure isn't going to sit well with Osi..you think?

I'm fine with the in-house players now and hopefully they'll settle things with Osi first.

for Hixon or MM and a midround pick, imo they'd be crazy not to do so. Another thought is sending an additional player like Tollefson in the trade.

are going to have to get long term deals done with both Marshall and Edwards respectively, before any trade can be agreed upon. Also the Broncos once had Hixon, I doubt he'd be the WR going back to them. I think that player might be Barden.

The giants trash / below averae cuts . Moss tollefson a seventh and a hobbled tyree . I mean why not throw them shaun boddeford as a receiver . Allen patrick ? Makes sense since knowshon is hurt ! Need a lineman ? I saw chris kuper was hurt . How about adam koets ! Hell take andre woodson too.
And to the browns they can use mike matthews .

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Osi for Edwards plus 4th rd pick in 2010

this has 0% chance of happening - for precisely the reason many are saying (Cleveland's motivation for trading one WR who wants big $$$ for another who wants big $$$ and is certifiably insane).

Not gonna happen.

Good nite, guys.

The Giants would not trade Osi, but if they did that trade, Cleveland would be giving us Braylon AND a pick. We wouldn't be giving them a pick. Osi's definitely more of a valuable player.

thats cool.

or someone of his ilk was in addition to either Hixon or MM and a pick.

I know he's got issues, but just on principle you can't let a second star talk his way off the roster. That would send a message to every other player on the roster that if you don't like it here, if you don't like your contract, if you think the team is bad, if you don't like the coach, just act like a baby and cry and all your wishes will be granted.

They cannot let a second player get away with that.

why so many have a problem wrapping their heads around this one. The rumors of Edwards being moved have been swirling around for quite some time now. Honestly, why is it so difficult for many here to imagine the Giants could be a legitimate suitor?

The fact that the Giants have a glut at WR, albeit unproven, and have a need for someone with size and speed who can stretch the defense seems to make some degree of sense, doesn't it?

MattSGS has been unfairly maligned from day one for what he believes are strong rumors based on an inside sources. Why anyone would kill him for something that may or may not happen is ridiculous. There are too many variable in a potential trade esp when you consider 3 teams could potentially be involved. Trades are made to resolve many issues including a lack of strength at a given position or trading from a strength to improve another postiion, moving an unhappy camper, inability to appease a players asking price, freeing up cap space ... whatever the case.

It isn't hard to imagine that this could happen especially considering how long this trade rumor has been lingering.

Beer out and bring on Braylon!

as an addition or not, the idea that Tolly has any trade value whatsoever is amusing.

The Giants may want him but the contract is what will stop this from happening.

scenarios is his contract demands. I don't see BE giving in, cuz of the money other WRs have gotten, and I don't see Reese giving him that much cuz he's pretty much talked every re-signing critical Giant to sign below market value: Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, Webster... Wait till you see Reese handle extending Cofield and when the time comes Kiwi...

So I don't see it for that reason alone. With that convenient excuse, I also don't have to fret over which WR to give up among Hix, Smith, and Manningham; I like them all very much and think they have complementary skills. Also I think Nicks and Barden are untouchable - as someone else noted, something about rookies' bonuses and the salary cap knocks out that idea.

pardon.

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wants out of Cleveland in the worst way

thanks for the kind words, but to clarify, I don't know anything about the specifics of this rumor as Eric has laid them out. I was just told that the Broncos were trying to move Marshall (hardly a scoop) and they were trying a number of scenarios to do so, including involving the Giants. That was it. Cross referencing that with something I was told weeks ago, which as I said, I verified with a few people who would know who post on here that the Giants were going to go with the WRs they had, and if they felt like it wasn't going to work out late in the pre-season, they would look to make a deal. Does 2+2=4 here? No clue. As I mentioned before, if the Giants go with the group in place, that means the coaches think they can do the job, and that is good enough for me to let go of my White Whale type quest around Edwards since January.

could there be a possibility that those reported contract demands are inflated? Could it be Edwards and his agent have stepped down off those initial numbers?

Not to state the obvious but let's face it, it's all speculation until something happens. And if it doesn't happen, do we really know what is or was going on behind closed doors?

you may or may not be a professional soothsayer but the plausability here is palatable.

up to 40 million inluding incentives. That is almost 8 per year. Do you think 4 years later with these inflated salaries he is going to take less.

Period. So all of you just cut it out. Unless it's someone we are cutting, like Tollefson.

has received > 3300 views/hr since it was put up.

that has to be some sort of record.

see Denver trading for a quarterback and one of our recievers. Take it with a tiny grain of salt boys.

The way I read it was the WR and the pick goes to Cleveland for BE.

And Why wouldn't Denver pick up Anderson? They might want someone just in case Orton doesn't work out...

they get Braylon. I love our guys and the potential we have at WR, but honestly, I'm not even close to 100% sold that they're gonna get the job done this year. If anyone says they are, then they need to really take a long hard look at the mirror without the rose-colored glasses.

And I honestly think that any of our WR's are fair game. You guys talk about these guys as if they're pro-bowlers. None of you would trade Hixon, Smith, Manningham, Nicks or Barden, for a proven pro-bowl legit #1 WR?? Come on.

Braylon is an upgrade from any of those guys. And a significant one at that. I can understand the hesitation on Nicks. But other than that, why wouldn't you? What have these guys really done in their careers to warrant them being "untouchable"? Again, a classic example of BBI overestimating the players on our roster. I love Smith and I love Manningham, and I would prefer it be Hixon, but I'm not passing on a top-flight WR because I don't want to trade guys who have the potential to be good.

within 6-8 weeks you think? That's your thinking. Meanwhile, Braylon is going to come in and make an impact from minute 1 when the reg. season is <2 weeks away.

Okay then.

Edwards. And the logic that we need to replace our WRs for dropping balls (in a preseason game) for a receiver that had the most drops last year is absurd.

Nicks will be fine.

i would feel way better about our chances to win a super bowl this year.Not that we can't without a top wide out but it will be way harder obviously.

they may improve 6-8 weeks from now, but that is nowhere near a gurantee. They aren'teven where they need to be now, which you obviously don't expect then to be great now, but they seem to be very far behind, and very out of sync.

And even if they do improve by then, we are no lock to go to the SB and win it. And that is a shame, since we are pretty much loaded at every other position.

the guy has one very good season. Last year, he led the league in drops. He's had an inconsistent career.

He's still young, about to enter his prime. Had an asbolutely insane year before that. And as bad as a year as he had last year, he still had more catches and yards any of our WRs have ever had.

We're not a lock with him, but we are much, much, much closer.

and i don't see how anyone couldn't want that.

He could totally flop, become a headcase and do more damage than good, right?

is that we instantly upgrade our WR corp. He is better than any WR on our roster, and it's not even close.

You can say that about any player.

guarantee that our current corp will mature in 6-8 weeks enough to make an impact in the postseason.

At least with Braylon, he is a proven commodity, which is more than you can say about any one of our current WRs. Yes, he had a rough year last year, but two years ago he was a top 5 WR in this league and a pro-bowler. sg...you don't think that's worth a shot?? This offense is much more potent with a #1 WR type which we don't currently have right now. The guy has proved that he can be that guy. One of these guys could eventually be that type, but if we want to win it this year, this is a move that most likely needs to be made.

if the kid is going to become a headcase next year and that's what could happen with him.

Again, the big problem here in NY. We only think of this year. We don't bother thinking of 5 yrs down the road.

5 years from now who knows what will be happening.But now we have a great all around team that seems to just need one game breaking wide receiver to be great.Just what i think and i am one that usually looks for the future.

and has a 1200 yd pro-bowl season on his resume. As far as being a headcase, so was Plax, and as much as Plax f*cked us last year, we still got one with him. And i'll make that trade anytime.

Braylon is not a headcase like Plax, he's disgruntled with his contract. Big difference.

Braylon is 26...he'll be around for awhile.

That piece of shit Florio tries to claim "A source close to the situation told me this" after he reads it here on BBI?

I give it his usual 3-4 days so he can distance himself from it being posted on BBI

personally would love to get Braylon, but only if we have to give up,Hixon,moss,hagan or tyree..I would not be happy to see smith go, he's elis main guy especially on 3rd downs.
Nicks and Manningham both are going to be very good this year.
Just think of this
Braylon
Nicks
Smith
Manningham
Barden

This entire scenario stems from Marshall's obvious unhappiness in Denver. The last time the Giants supposedly offered Manningham to the Browns he had less promise he does now in the pro game.

After coaching up and the recent circumstances with Brandon Marshall, it is possible that opportunities present themselves. Coaching and progress with a young player is what makes them enticing to teams that otherwise would not have looked at them twice. That is not to say the Giants had a trade in mind while coaching up Manningham, rather success for the team and this possible trade is alive again because of their work.

This is not about Coughlin mixing up priorities, but more about him getting Manningham prepared for the season and this scenario happened to come along.

That is more due diligence than anything.

Make this happen Jerry! We need this!!

thanks for posting. I, for one, hope it happens. I don't have confidence in Smith and Hixon as "good enough" starters. The other guys seem to have potential, but expecting a 1st or 2nd year guy to contribute in a big way right off the bat is perhaps expecting a little too much.

uh yeah hello

us as in the giants management

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Again, the big problem here in NY. We only think of this year. We don't bother thinking of 5 yrs down the road.

Fans I would tend to agree, the giants management however does one of the best jobs in the league of this however.

The time to do this would have been during the offseason. I appreciate Edwards' talent but he's really only had one good year. He'll be learning a new offense for the first six weeks of the season and will be a free agent next year if a CBA is reached. It wouldn't be a bad move but I don't think it would help the team as much as we'd like. It also depends on the draft pick.

if this were to happen, we'd give up Hixon who IMO (again) is a poor fit because he isn't a real number one anyway and would have some value to another team.

Edwards, Smith Mario Hakeem and Barden is a pretty darn good group. Certainly nice verticle threat

Is a collossal error and a remote thrower. I am fine trading Hixon, I think we have adequate replacements in Manningham and Ware. We have all the leverage here and have no reason at this point to be giving up a lot of value in a deal. Plain and simple, the Browns didn't make the Edwards deal when it had the most value scenario for them. Dealing him now, there is no reason whatsoever that they should get the same terms.

I think the value we give back should not be the sameas what we werewil
willing to give up in April. And that is before you get into the player debate. When you do, Manningham has so much more upside, dealing him would be crazy.

Manningham and Nicks. That is our future duo.

as the proven get nice increases...So, forgetting the off field for a moment, Marshall is now approximately the 58th(heard it on Sirius yesterday)highest paid WR...58th!!!! Are you shittin' me? For onfield production he should be top 5 or at least top 10, so yes, he's got a helluva beef imo...

any contract for a Marshall would have to include Plax-like clauses or worse

Edwards than Marshall.

love Edwards on this team, I thinks is unlikely the scenario goes down like this.
As maybe mentioned already, Mangini is a controll freak. Last thing he would want is a malcontent like Marshal on his team disobeying him. Who knows, maybe Marshal is coming here, Edwards going to the Broncos, and picks and a reciever to Browns from us.
And according to rumors, didn't we have a direct trade all worked out with the browns around draft time but couldn't pull the trigger because Braylon wanted a huge contract? Whats changed?

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I smiled the second I saw your name

is going to bring a pro-bowl caliber receiver. Some of you amaze me.

Hey let's gift wrap a turd and maybe the Browns won't notice how bad it STINKS. Please if you are going to get something of quality you have to give up something of value and that isn't Moss or Hagan or Tyree

So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.


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I said MM and a #2 for BE. 2 vast potentials for one proven.

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Edwards has proven is he can have one big year playing a schedule full of sorry defenses.

And the only thing certain in this entire situation is that we'd be paying him based on that year, and not his other 3 in the league.

Dance you fuckers, dance!



-Eric from BBI

thought you said I was ok Spider

I mean - it depends on what you consider a headcase. But I consider a guy whose feelings get hurt when the home fans boo him close to it.

Can you imagine - that's Cleveland and he's referring to college affiliations/booing. Imagine what would happen if he dropped a pass like Hixon did against the Eagles. The media here is relentless and the fans aren't much better, this guy would want to crawl in a hole and die after that.

different reasons but same outcome. sit tight with the guys we have.

And my latest bombshell will be revealed during tomorrow's first BBI radio show! Ahh the ratings!!!!

Muaaahahahahahaha


(Just kidding...no bombshell)

If you can satisfy BE's contract extension request then giving up one of the young WR's makes sense. It puts the team in a better position to win right now, assures BE will be happy for a few years, & gives the remaining young WR's a chance to develop for the near future. All without sacrificing/mortgaging the future.
It makes perfect sense for all the teams involved so it will never happen.

deliberately driving a few extra blocks to watch us all sweat it out.

to react when he comes in and has 950 yards and 6 TDs. I suspect they'll turn on him or Eli or Reese or some combination of the three.

Read this, and understand: Braylon Edwards is not going to come in here and be as productive as he was in Cleveland. This Giant team is not built the same way, nor do we get to play the sorry 2007 Ravens, Bengals, and Miami defenses (against whom he had 35 recs. for 447 yards and 8 TDs in 5 games).

I'm 100% confident that the offense we presently have can be just as productive without him.

a thousand yards and double digit TD's. Edwards has that size speed ratio you have to respect or he runs right past your secondary which means you cant stick 8-9 guys in the box, which improves the running game...

This 8-9 in the box is so overrated here on BBI. If teams consistently stick 8-9 in the box against Eli Manning he is going to audible to something that will exploit such a look. Let's not talk like our guys are in wheelchairs out there. I'm pretty sure Hixon is faster than Edwards, and I'm certain that Smith, Manningham, and Nicks are good enough route runners to get open in man coverage.

Further, you'd like to pay Edwards $8 million per to use him as a decoy?

he and nicks could start eventually with smith back in the slot. manningham has the whole package, super quick out of his breaks, consistently can make the acrobatic catch, tracks the ball well and yards after catch potential imho

I don't think Reese intends on shelling out a boatload of cash to Braylon. If he signs an extension here, it will be very favorable in the Giants favor or get your ass tagged next year and traded again.

Its the combination of strength and speed, thats what Braylon has that none of our guys have right now.
None of our wr's have the strength and speed to consistently beat jam coverage, besides maybe Nicks.

The Ravens were fourth in the NFL in rushing last year. The Titans were 7th. The Raiders were 10th. Where is the big time deep threat on those teams?

Arizona (best WRs in the NFL) was last. Indy (Wayne) was 31st. Detroit (CJ) 30th. Cleveland (the savior Edwards) 26th. Pittsburgh (Holmes) 23rd.

It just doesn't hold water. Defenses aren't going to consistently put 8 men in the box against a QB not named Rex Grossman. If they do, they'll get killed.

I mean before the recently ascension to greatness that is DeSean Jackson?

The Eagles managed to be a pretty good team and give us a run for our money with not even close to the talent we have at WR. Kevin Curtis? Hank Baskett?

What the heck are we talking about?

not that we're above using the franchise tag, but trading for a guy who's already grumbling about his contract and not extending it doesn't seem like a good situation for the locker room.

IF we were to get Edwards (and I don't think it'll happen), we'd have to pay him. That's where the whole thing falls apart. This guy wants more money than he's due, partly because he's still playing on an overpaid rookie contract for which he didn't deliver.

That size/speed bullshit might work in Madden, but in real life last year it was enough to get Edwards 3 TDs and help his team to the 26th best running attack in the league. Forgive me if I don't think he's going to come in and change anything.

I am confident that Eli is going to be putting up some passing yards with the guys we have right now.

the guy who takes $10m a year and automatically turns a solid NFL team into the uncontested Super Bowl champion.

"I'm 100% confident that the offense we presently have can be just as productive without him."

Everyone knows you hate Edwards, but this is a little over the top, imo. Do we currently have a WR on the roster who is proven to better than Braylon Edwards? If so, which WR is it? If not, how could adding a player better than the ones we currently have not improve the team?

be better

But he will not receive an extension immediately, if he does, it will be extremely favorable for the Giants, and it should be, he sucked last year.

If he plays out this year and magic happens, a super bowl victory, he could get re-upped big, if he comes up big, but that's a long ways away. If he sucks or is mediocre, Reese will not overpay him, tag him, not to keep him, but to trade him. We still have talent in the wings.

take the pressure off the rooks and give defenses something to be scared about.

You should have a segemnt on the show where Gary reveals dupes. Huge ratings baby!!!!!!!!!!!

the running game would be hampered because of no consistent downfield threat that people will have to dedicated safeties to, then I cant argue with you.

What I know is this. Edwards would be an improvement over almost anyone we have now. Would I give up the farm for him. No. Would I give up a mid round pick and try to give them Tyree or Moss.. Absolutely...

Personally I am not in a panic over the Giants WR's. I believe there will be growing pains but I think around weeks 5-6 we will really understand what we have. I think the Giants will have to spread the ball around a lot like they did in the Seattle and Arizona games to make defenses try and cover the whole field.

I have more issues with Gilbride as an OC than I do with the Giants WR's...

But that being said I stll think Edwards upgrades the team.

you dont think that subpar and erratic QB play was a factor at all in that ????

I don't hate Edwards. I hate the idea of paying him massive money based on one season. I hate the poor logic that he's going to come in and radically improve our offense (which last year was phenomenal without him).

Rick our guys, at present, aren't better than he is. But they're not much worse either. He is far, far from elite...but he's going to want elite dollars. Those elite dollars could go towards keeping Barry Cofield, Danny Ware, Guy Whimper, Tutan Reyes, Kevin Dockery, CC Brown, and Jeff Feagles when their contracts are up after this season. THAT is how adding Edwards doesn't improve the team.

totally agreed. This is not to say one of our guys can't develope quickly. But why take that risk when you are THISCLOSE to a championship?

I think we can give Reese the BOD on that one. Not after the season Edwards had last year, which is the most relevant.

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I wonder how people are going Go Terps : 9:37 am to react when he comes in and has 950 yards and 6 TDs. I suspect they'll turn on him or Eli or Reese or some combination of the three.

I'd be delighted if it opens up everything else for us offensively due to the attention he would draw...Stats, stats, stats, that's all so many care about

he is probably going to have to get a contract that pays him more than any player on the team besides Eli. The guy wants $8 million plus.

The idea that his mere presence will open up opposing defenses is a myth.

He had ONE good year, that's it. You don't get 8MIL/year based on that.

We just do not know that. Do we? He might be loving the idea of coming to NY and we may be selling the idea of endorsement money in NY.

Edwards and Marshall want 1) to get paid and then 2) to leave their teams.

Edwards wants the spot light, I bet he would love to be in NYC and get his face every where. What a better place to kick start your acting, modeling, news casting career!!!

Are you kidding? This is a league where Larry Brown got a big contract because O'Donnell hit him in the chest with two picks in the Super Bowl. Edwards is going to try to get paid huge.

We are not the Raiders. Reese is not Al Davis.

I suppose that's possible. And if that's the case, is that the kind of player you want to bring on? A guy that's asking Will Demps modeling questions between plays? A guy that couldn't take the heat from that brutal Cleveland market?

then he's not coming to the Giants.

I think that stuff about Edwards and his other pursuits are way overrated. Alot of it was blue collar Cleveland wanting to hate Edwards more because he frustrates the hell out of them. Have you noticed Pierce's twitters/tweets the past few weeks, a ton of self promotional activities that he's lining up. His spot with Michael Irvin, him wanting to field questions from the fans, doing stuff with Howard Stern, etc. Guys look to set themselves up for their post playing career. Pierce is not doing anything different than Edwards has been accused of...other than the gay rumor stuff.

I totally agree with you... why wouldn't a player want to set up their post football careers? They'd be stupid not to... I meant it seriously

The potential of losing those other players (some on defense?) is not relevant to what you posted. You said that this offense will be just as productive without BE as it would be with him. We don't have anyone who has even come remotely close to performing like BE has at his best. We just have potential that may or may not pan out. In the case of WRs, it seems that it's generally safer to assume a guy won't pan out. All you have to do is take a look at all of the WRs drafted in the first three rounds by all teams over the last 15 years or so to reach that conclusion. The difference between what we have and BE is that BE has actually performed at an extremely high level before over the course of a whole season.

Look at Tiki and Strahan. Strahan has a TV show for crissakes. Edwards must be drooling to get here.

because it is all hypothetical. I guess it comes back to the faith that Reese has earned from me...simply.

will be fine at WR as long as Eli doesn't repeat his performance vs Philly and the OLine doesn't repeat it's Dallas performance from last Dec.

Which means one less player to help out in the box against the run or in the secondary against the pass. Its pretty simple. When you have a running game like ours they will naturally put the person towards the front, if we threw all the time like AZ they would probably add an extra db. Adding Edwards makes us a better and more balanced team. I think all you have to do is look at our offensive production during the 3 Philly games last year to see what that means. Even their DBs said as much after the playoff game. I really don't see the argument here.

Now we can argue whether the $10M per year is worth it to us, or if the additional $xx are better spent somewhere else, thats a valid discussion. But I think money aside Edwards clearly improves this team.

WHY???? why why....would Mangini even want Marshall???? Someone told me, he's in the NFL substance program too? So next step is 4 game suspension.

which is why the trade, as rumored, would never happen IMO.

I'm looking forward to seeing Nicks and Manningham develop, at this point.

I thought one more suspension and Marshall is banned for life.....no??

NJ

he hasn't even gotten the 4 game or the season ban yet.

and if you can get a big, fast receiving threat, you get him.

the fact of the matter is that two of the teams you listed that have top wideouts played in the Super Bowl- even with iffy running games. A third (Indy) went deep in the playoffs.

would we have won the Super Bowl without Burress' game against Green Bay? Would we have beaten the Pats without a receiver that made the Pats pay instantly for single-coverage, max blitz?

You aren't going to bludgeon top teams in the playoffs that put 8 in the box unless you can make those teams pay with long td's. Last year, our long pass play was 44 yards- that isn't going to get it done. You think and Edwards or a Marshall draw a double team? You bet your ass they do.

Personally, if you can get Edwards or Marshall in return for Hixon and a draft choice, you do it. Hixon cost us nothing. If he gets coached up and traded for a better player, that's a big win.

you have to double a receiver and that opens up the rest of the field is a myth. If that were truly the case the Cardinals would have been better than last in the NFL in rushing. They've got two guys that are light years better than Edwards, and would thus have to be doubled. That leaves 7 defenders to deal with the rest of the Cardinals' 9 players...and still they had the worst rushing team in the league. Despite having two all world WRs, a damn good QB, and an excellent third WR in Breaston.

It is a myth.

Big surprise...

I guess I was mistaken. I thought he already had the 4 game suspension. Can somebody tell me How many times has he been suspended and for what?

And that's a good thing. Season starts in 12 days, our wide receivers are in place already. They will be more than enough. Can't wait.

believe this for a second, but i'll play along...

Browns would get absolutely HOSED in a deal like this. plus, there's way too much red tape to EVER get a deal of this magnitude done.

this reminds me of the lunatics in my office who played the lottery last week and were ranting and raving about how they were going to buy beach houses and ferarris with their winnings.

sure, it's fun to dream, but we have a real game in 12 days, so let's try to focus here, huh?

The Cards didn't even attempt to run with a forked James and a raw Hightower during the season...But when the idiots smartened up after a 9-7 finish, and decided to run in the playoffs, look what happened...They finally took advantage of their receiver power and James suddenly became a factor...

is ignoring. The Giants have gone through training camp together and learned the playbook. Developed chemistry, etc. Now on the eve of the season you want to bring in an outsider, annoint him the top WR without having to earn it, AND make him one of the highest paid players on the team?

You're bound to have some pissed off soldiers if you do something like that.

Can't wait to put my fucking hand through my bedroom door because our WRs don't do shot and cost us another season.

off of last year's meltdown!

1 game last year for domestic violence/personal conduct violation IIRC.

We haven't won a Super Bowl in ONE WHOLE YEAR!!!

If the Giants receiving corps turns out to be an absolute travesty (which I sincerely doubt--this group is more than capable), at least it could result in another crying video from flounder. I'd take that.

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Can't wait to put my fucking hand through my bedroom door because our WRs don't do shot and cost us another season.

didn't you do something different last year?

They averaged 3.5 per carry over the course of the season. And you think they didn't know they had great WRs at the start of the year?

Conversely, Tennessee and Baltimore ran at will despite having nothing at WR or QB. Why wouldn't you "stack the box" against those offenses? If teams did, it didn't matter...just like it wouldn't matter against us with our RB and OL.

We should WELCOME a team "stacking the box" against us. That allows Eli to know what's coming.

The Cardinals in Playoffs used the run more often and out rushed the Falcons, Panthers and Eagles. The Cardinals did not have a horrible running offense at all. During the season they just did not use it as much. The defenses in the playoff were then caught off guard. They could not put an extra defender in the box because the receivers were to good, so I have no idea where your getting off saying Arizona running game was awful.

Kevin. For some reason I thought people were not wanting Marshall due to the risk of him getting banned for life. Must have been mistaken. Thanks for the clear-up.

purposely eschewed the run throughout the regular season and risked not making the playoffs, just so they could spring a surprise once they got there? Really?

watched any Cardinals games last year at all, you'd know that their run-blocking is atrocious and that Hightower is an extremely one-dimensional back. i expect their running game to improve this year, particularly because of the elusiveness of Beanie Wells.

notion "open up the offense" is mythical. We beat the Eagles because Plax was a big time step up his game Eagle killer. He made plays when we needed them against the Eagles.

The Osi sack game, the offense puttered. But when we needed it, Eli tossed one up to a double covered Plax in the endzone and he snatched it. Someone has to step up to be that guy when we are in a crunch.

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And that's another thing the pro-Braylon crowd Go Terps : 11:28 am is ignoring. The Giants have gone through training camp together and learned the playbook. Developed chemistry, etc. Now on the eve of the season you want to bring in an outsider, annoint him the top WR without having to earn it, AND make him one of the highest paid players on the team? You're bound to have some pissed off soldiers if you do something like that.

If the Giants make a move for Edwards at this point, then the front office and coaching staff were 100% behind it, and they would be the ones to deal with those ramifications, so I don't have to care about that. Pat from IF mentioned last month that learning an offense is pretty overrated, Hixon and Hedgecock picked it up in 2007 after coming in late. Everything I've heard is that Reese will react if the coaches feel that they need to make a move. The decision time to make a move is around now. All indications are they are staying with what they've got but the Broncos are trying to make things happen. If the Giants coaches are happy with the WRs, all this is moot, no matter what the Broncos do, short of engineering at trade with the Giants for scraps like Moss or Hagan, which won't happen. It doesn't matter what we as fans think about a move or non-move right now. I know that the team has been scrutinizing the play at WR and I can say that with an extreme high level of confidence. So if they decide to make a move for Edwards, that tells you what you need to know about their confidence in the group. If they don't then they feel they are good enough to win a Super Bowl with. It really is cut and dried. We will know the answer soon enough.

disturbing to me is I heard about these great ball skills of Manningham's in college, yet when the ball has been in the air this pre-season, he has yet to show me he can make that play.

I thought that he could end up being that guy. We will see.

to trade for Marshall. Or even the Eagles.

Your argument boils down to: if Reese does it, it must be right. while the Giants talent evaluation process is excellent, there is no reason to think it is perfect. Reese is human and could make a big mistake.

flounder??????

Don't count the Redskins out of the Marshall business.

He didn't make a deal for a WR earlier.

Welcome to January.

your father made a mistake by not pulling out.

Braylon is going to get 10 million per. White and Jennings got 8 and 9 million respectively, and they're better players to date.

Hi I'm earth, have we met?

assholes.

A ninja says what?

see linebacker - hit linebacker.

And Hixon only played ST in 2007.

Adding a WR now would be tough for the offense. Limited reps between Edwards and Manning would be available from here on out. I wouldn't discount that as a risk factor at all.

That said, they may feel that it's a lesser risk than going with the young guys who have shown very little in games so far.

Touché, rsmith.

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...you have to double a receiver and that opens up the rest of the field is a myth.

Jim Johnson and Brian Dawkins said the Eagles doubled Plax all the time, and remarked how nice it was they didn't have to for the playoff game.

But they are only a player and coach, what do they know...

a little more involved than that, but essentially yes. For as much as we have been discussing this, the WR issue has been on the forefront of the Giants coaches evaluations for months, and is being monitored by the front office. Coughlin/Gilbride/Sullivan have seen these WRs in minicamp, and in every practice, meeting, game in camp/pre-season. If the Giants make a trade, that tells you that the coaches felt that the current group wasn't where they needed it to be to win a title. If they stand pat, which is where things appear to be right now, then the coaches feel they can win a championship with this group. That's why I say it's cut and dried. I'm putting faith in the coaches and front office to win another championship. If they feel the WRs are good enough, then so do I.

With Osi's recent events...having the money for Kiwi insurance is ever more clearly important consideration under the cap

Notice we once had a great deep DT rotation and a 4th DE?

Watching preseason we realize the drop off to Tollefson and the need to perhaps even replace Robbins by the end of next year with a veteran or Fred himself...we are one injury away from a Dt rotation concern

Is the difference an Edwards/Marshall brings by next year (meaning our WR improve by then) worth the overall vulnerabilities we might have under a cap system?

value?

And again, even if that were true, how the hell did Baltimore and Tennessee run all over the opposition when neither team had a QB or WR worth fearing?

All this whole thing is is a VAST overreaction to the end of last season, and fear that this season is going to be a reproduction of that. Such fear can be the precursor to an incredibly stupid move.

THIS is how you respond to people on BBI:

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i wasnt on BBI in Jan rsmith32 : 12:03 pm assholes.

Not with a thread asking why people here are such jerkstores.

of disrespect to our OL, Jacobs, and Ward going on here. The idea that we won't be able to run the ball effectively if we don't get a WR to prevent teams from "stacking the box" is absurd.

It's like people haven't seen a game besides the playoff game last year. I can't believe the overreaction.

over the hill? at least i can get up the hill without getting winded, fatty.

Glad you're back Jake.

all this other bull aside. And it is a fact that doubling a WR will help the offense, it has to. Some offenses may not have the weapons to expose this, which is why they are one dimensional and suck, but for an offense like ours it will be a big help. Our offense is lopsided right now to the run.

As I said before, we can argue if this is the best way to spend $8-10M, but I don't think you can argue that Edwards will not make us better.

last time I checked, neither Baltimore nor Tennessee won the Superbowl last year.

That's the object, to win the Lombardi again, isn't it?

Of course we will be able to run the ball effectively if we don't get an Edwards. But will we be able to run and pass effectively enough to win the Superbowl? I'm not sure, and that's what the problem is

mookgiants and giants07 made a typical BBI sarcastic comment to me, and then i responded. No need for you to join in

So basically off your dumb comment magically the Cardinals got a running game in the playoffs, since according to you they were horrible. Since you been arguing this whole Braylon thing you have yet to come up with facts that are credible. You talk about how much Braylon drops the ball, blah, blah. I see no big issue with Braylon when your getting 7 to 9 throws at you a game and you drop 1. He had 16 drops last year, that would be 1 drop a game. Thats really not that bad. I agree with you, I think that they need to develop our receiver's, and not ruin the chemistry. The thing that I am not liking is that they have had all this time, and I see a lack of chemistry. That is a concern. Receivers running wrong routes and not being on the same page as your QB is a blueprint for disaster. Either way the Giants go, I will be happy.

Tennessee was the top seed in the AFC and got knocked off by the Ravens. The Ravens had a home run hitter at receiver. The Ravens td came on a 48 yard pass to Derrick Mason. Mason caught 80 passes for over 1000 yards and 5 td's with a rookie qb. He caught 103 passes the year before. We have anyone like that on the roster right now?

So, the Titans went home because the Ravens had a homerun hitter that could make teams pay and the Titans did not.

How about the Panthers? Great running team. Knocked out of the playoffs by a team that couldn't run to save its life but had two great receiving threats.

Great receivers don't open up the running game? How did Parker run for 147 yards against the Chargers? Why didn't the Chargers just stack the line to stop Parker? Maybe because Ward burned them for a 41 yarder and the Steelers picked up a 44 yard PI penalty in the end zone.

Pittsburgh then beat the Ravens. How? Glad you asked. By the second play of the second quarter, Pitt already had a 45 yard pass play and a 68 yard pass play that went for a td. Think that might have helped open things up.

You are living in the past. It is difficult to win in the playoffs without a receiving threat that can make teams pay for single coverage and moving a safety up.

So if we get Edwards you're sure we can win the Super Bowl? Is that what you're telling me?

Braylon Edwards is the key to a Super Bowl? Wow.

You've got to be kidding me...

but I think we absolutely have a better chance at winning the Superbowl. Several factors can stop us from doing that, but we are a better team with him on it.

i understood u wrong...

Theres only a few BBI vets that I respect. The rest are just hasbeens or neverwas

There's something wrong with your brain if you think that this team is more primed to win the Super Bowl without Braylon then with him.

What team hve you been watching the past three games?

oh and ask Philadelphia if it is "absurd" to stack the box against a running team that can't pass.

Two of the best running teams in the playoffs last season, both #1 seeds and both were one and done in the playoffs.

What position did those two teams draft this year with their first pick?? Oh, that's right, wide receiver. What does that tell you?

The only thing absurd here is your position.

here before, if a trade for Edwards does happen, it's because Reese and Coughlin believe after watching the entire training camp and preseason games that our passing game needs improvement to have a better shot at winning the title.

I've been watching preseason games that don't mean shit. What have you been watching?

can be pretty damn dentrimental to the team. Pro bowl caliber or not, you can't just jump in and learn an offense...he'll be like a rookie coming in

Ugh, we've been talking about it since last January....


If the guys think that the WR on our roster are good enough for a championship, we'll stand pat.

It's not about wether we'd be a better team with Edwards, it's about if it is worth it.

We'd be better with Merriman, Peyton, and Champ Bailey too, but does the cost to get them outweigh the payoff? That's really the question here.

that 2007 was flounder's first year as a football fan. it's the only explanation for his behavior and his posts. if you think that 3 pre-season games tells us what we need to know about our receiving corps, flounder, then frankly, you don't know anything about football and you should be completely ignored on this topic.

sadly, you'll ensure that doensn't happen with some attention-grabbing, juvenile nonsense.

I think they mean quite a bit for our receiver core, most of them who have had very little experience in the league.

Again, if we do trade for Edwards, it's because Reese does not think our current receivers can get it done this year.

and Matt before have said says it all. If a trade is made, it's because the coaches feel it's necessary. If Edwards is brought in, it'll be carefully thought out by Coughlin and co. and it'll be because they feel we have a better chance to win the Super Bowl with him than without him. That's all I need to know.

Do absolutely nothing against starting defenses while the cheerleaders on this forum say that preseason means absolutely nothing.

just about this season...that's Snyder's and Jerruh's way of thinking....our FO has to keep an eye on the future...if that means giving our younger guys more experience at the cost of a game or two so that they'll be stronger down the road, then so be it.

Anybody remember Warner getting benched when we were 7-2? That was basically tossing a few games away to get the future ready- Eli...

I'm not saying we're tossing the season away with these guys, but hopefully by mid season, one of them emerges as a play maker....until then, we should have the defense and running game that will win us games.

And if Reese doesn't trade for Edwards, will you and the rest of the BE crowd just shut up about it already because it's what Reese thought was best?

Like cosmicj said, Reese is human and as capable of a mistake as anybody else. In this case, the mistake is the interest in Edwards.

they aren't going to just throw him to wolves.

He'll be brought along slowly and used in specific sets , gradually with increasing playing time before he becomes the main #1 out on the field.

where is he already?

how preseason means nothing for a group of WR's that have never consistently made plays on an NFL field. These aren't vets going through the motions, these are young guys that have a lot to prove.

We don't need to be lighting it up, but early returns are not very good.

you're seeing nothing from our WR's? I see plenty of ability and talent out there. The new guys are getting open, the catches will come.

and Eli was brought in b/c Warner was holding the ball too long in our over complicated system

think our receivers showed a good deal in the Jets game.

I was just looking for them to get separation, and I saw that on Saturday night. The timing is definitely off, and that's why preseason games and training camp are very important. For timing and reps for the young guys, of which we have quite a few at receiver.

I will not be pissed if we do not get Edwards. I would be ok with going into the season with what we have, but we will need a few guys to develop, and develop quickly, to win a title. It could happen, I'm just not sure it will.

we'll see these guys getting better as the season progresses.

right away. Isn't that basically what's going on now with the WRs? Bring them on gradually and let them develop.

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and Jacobs, but to say that the preseason doesn't matter to the WRs on tha team is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It actually the only things that matters right now.

Please. These guys understand business is business and winning is winning. I am sure they all enjoyed their playoff bonuses and Super Bowl checks. If Edwards or Marshall gives them a better chance of achieving those goals, I don't think they will mind.

early returns on the 2008 Detroit Lions were great! after all, they finished the pre-season 4-0.

guess how that turned out...

over 600 posts to throw in an over complicated system jab

For some reason I thought we only had 2 losses....

Anyway, the point is still the same..

On iPhone. Sorry.

everything you post is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. you consistently out-dumb yourself with each successive post.

Who was pointing to preseason record as an indication of anything?

Our WR's have yet to flash much, not after Plax went down, not this preseason, Nicks against 2nd-3rd teamers aside...I'd like to see results before throwing my confidence behind them.

not getting Edwards could turn out to be a huge mistake as well. I'm sure you would have also said that we didn't need Plaxico a few years ago, too. Without him, we don't sniff a Lombardi.

the consistency is not going to be there, of course preseason reps are important, but if you're saying they're doing absolutely nothing you really aren't watching carefully enough.

because our WR's can get open but not catch the pass! They suck! Let's trade for the guy that has been known his whole career for dropping passes! Do it Jerry!"

Nobody is talking about preseason records. Our WRs have been a huge concern after showing little at the end of 08 and now the preseason hasnt been a great showing as well.

you willing to go 9-7 or 10-6 and miss the playoffs waiting for the catches to come?

We are in a very tough division with 4 or 5 playoff quality division games during the season. We need all the edge we can get.

is asking you to throw your unquestioned support behind the wide receivers. but to go all Chicken Little because of two dropped passes in the third pre-season game is pretty fucking silly. it's what i would expect from the ADD, Madden-playing generation of young, immature fans who expect to win the Superbowl every season.

That is funny, isn't it? Our guys are getting open left and right, they drop a couple, and the solution from the resident geniuses is to bring in a guy that drops as many as anyone else in the league.

If we traded for Edwards all these clowns would hate him by the end of the season, I'm certain of it.

This is a little late in the game to be making a trade. There will still be growing pains between Eli and Edwards. At least the young guys have had a camp to work with Eli and build at least some chemistry. Not too sure I'd like making this deal now.

flying open every play come from?

Jake- I'm aware...I've been pro-Edwards since the start, do I think we are fucked without him? No. Do I think having him would help us tremendously? Yes.

not to mention the guy cries about it every time the fans boo him when he makes drops.

Dude is a headcase, and would be eaten alive in NY.

to get out of Cleveland and about his contract, what's to say that in 1 yr, he's not complaining as a NYG already? And, if he doesn't catch 70+ passes, whose to say he's not going to complain about how he's being used (aka Roy Williams)

There's a real danger of that. These prima-donna like guys usually shut up for a very short period of time and then they find something to complain about.

in the preseason from young guys is progression. I saw that a bit on Saturday night.

I like our receivers, but I also am not at the practices, do not have access to coaches films.

If we trade for Edwards or another receiver, it's because Reese and Coughlin are not satisfied enough with the progress of our receivers so far and they then determine that Edwards is worth the risk.

Sure, Reese will make mistakes. But I'll trust him on this one if he and the coaches decide they need another receiver in here after seeing all the practices and games

a struggle. It's going to take time, possibly half the season.

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No dropoff for Browns' Edwards By TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer BEREA, Ohio (AP) One game, one big drop. Braylon Edwards is back at it. Cleveland's talented wide receiver, who can dazzle and disappoint in equal helpings, dropped a touchdown pass on the first ball thrown to him in Saturday's 17-0 preseason loss to the Green Bay Packers. Late in the first half, Edwards got free in the end zone and was in perfect position to score but let a perfectly thrown pass from quarterback Brady Quinn bounce away. The drop became magnified when Quinn, battling Derek Anderson for the starting job, threw an interception on a pass intended for Edwards on the next play. "It's just part of football," Edwards said Tuesday. And it's just the preseason, but unfortunately for the Browns, it's also more of the same from Edwards, who led the NFL with 16 dropped passes last season. He has had an interminable case of the drops since his college days at Michigan. From one play to the next it's hard to know which Edwards will show up - the one who takes your breath away with a spectacular, leaping, one-handed grab or the one who lets a 5-yard toss slide through his fingers.

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consider yourself to be "pro-Edwards" after considering all of the following, then that's all i need to know about you.

1) Poor experience with previous prima donna wide receiver
2) Edwards' own difficulties getting along with teammates, coaches and fans in Cleveland
3) Edwards' either has poor hands or poor concentration
4) Edwards will want a fortune in his new contract, which could be detrimental to retaining other key players
5) Edwards' presence will stunt the growth of the draft picks that we're already so heavily invested in

if you fully consider all those factors and still want Edwards here, then you just haven't been watching football long enough to have a worthwhile opinion on this. as i like to say, however, you're most certainly entitled to your blatantly wrong opinion.

or just fans

We want QUICK FIXES, regardless of how much damage they can do down the road. We have no patience in NY and that's a big, big problem.

This guy in my opinion has more risk than reward over him.

if Reese goes out and gets Edwards, then that's all you need to know about him I would guess, right?

if we go into the season with what we've got, I'll be ok with that. But if we make this deal, it's because Reese, Coughlin, and the coaches are not confident in what we've got and feel we have a better shot to win with Braylon than without him. And while I realize they are not exempt from making mistakes, I trust their opinion a helluva lot more than anybody here.

Many prima donna WRs have succeeded in this league and it has almsot become the norm for the position. Chill with arguement, we won a SB with one

would be corret, Mook. and do you know why i can say that with confidence? because i'm 100% positive that this will never happen. i've been positive about that since this rumour began circulating. it's you and your Facebook friends who eat this shit up, hook line and sinker. intelligent football fans who know this organization know that there is no fucking chance in hell that Jerry Reese brings another headcase wide receiver into town. none. zero. zilch. nada.

Eric and Matt know it too, but they're just passing along what they're hearing. that's fine, and i don't doubt that the rumours are indeed out there. but they also acknowledged that the Broncos are the source of the noise. now shit! why could that be? hmm....

oh right! because they have their own problem, headcase WR to get rid of, that nobody in the fucking galaxy would want on their team. my bust.

wake me up when the season starts.

on one thing. the New York Giants did not win a Superbowl because of Plaxico Burress.

no, sir.

Plaxico Burress won a Superbowl because of the New York Giants.

possibly half the season? Who says it ever comes?

The Giants season ends at Lambeau without Plaxico Burress on the field.

Make no mistake about that.

Plaxico won becuase of the Giants, but we most likely do not win without him.

You don't think the Giants staff was looking into acquiring Edwards AT ALL prior to the draft?

can't be intelligent football fans?

posted? Here's some more:

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In Cleveland's offense, which has failed to score a touchdown in seven straight games dating to last season, Edwards is a key weapon - not a once-every-other-play receiver, but the go-to-guy down after down. Edwards' inconsistency has been a sore spot for Browns fans since his arrival as the No. 3 overall pick in 2005. They expect more from Cleveland's top playmaker and his inability to string together catches and solid performances has prompted a backlash of sorts. It wasn't long after his opening-night drop at Lambeau Field that the Web and local sports radio talk shows were overrun with negative comments about Edwards. The loquacious wideout understands the fans' frustrations. He feels the same way. "That (inconsistency) drives anybody crazy," he said. "Nobody's perfect. At the end of the day you strive to be. What drives you is what drives me, to be the best at what I do. When I drop a pass, I'm (ticked) at myself. I wish I could catch everything no matter where it was or what I have to do to get to it. That's just not reality. The thing you can control is the focus and the concentration." An ongoing problem for Edwards is that he too often leaves his feet to catch a pass when he doesn't need to. Edwards acknowledged that he didn't need to jump to haul in Quinn's toss. "That was a situation where I didn't need to," he said. "I jumped the gun. It is what it is. I think we're making too much here about that play." Maybe so. But the Browns will have no chance of improving on their 4-12 record from last season if Edwards can't hang on to the ball. Browns coach Eric Mangini suggested that Edwards spend more time after practice working on the JUGS machine, which rockets footballs to receivers faster than a quarterback ever could. Edwards, though, said nothing can replicate live, game action. "I can catch 1,000 passes on the JUGS machine, but at the end of the day it's not a game, it's not Brady throwing the ball, it's not Derek, it's not a defensive back covering me," he said. "That's just muscle memory. The ball doesn't actually come out like that. Just being focused is really the only thing you can do." Mangini feels Edwards can be a better pass catcher, a more precise route runner and a high-level pro if he dedicates himself to improving. "I believe everyone has the makeup to be consistent," he said. "It's a function of working at it. In terms of what anybody has done in the past, that really doesn't matter to me. You want to learn from those experiences, but what matters is what you're doing each day. If you create good habits then you become consistent. That's something that you try to teach, not just the rookies but everybody across the board."

we don't come close to beating Green Bay without him. Not even close.

We also probably don't make the playoffs without him.

Of course you could say that about a couple of other players, but he was easily one of the top 3-4 most important players on that team.

at best, they were "listening" to what the Browns were asking. were they actively seeking to get Edwards here? no way in hell. if you can prove me wrong on that, i'd love to see it.

Most modern day sports fans are fickle and want an immediate return. Location is irrelevant.

Of your offseason discussions. Just remember, when the season gets going and I'm still in Cleveland, we'll always have the 2009 offseason...





-Braylon

for Edwards, which seems likely, they've done their research on the guy and they have their reasons for not bringing him in. But the same applies if they do acquire him. I continue to trust their judgement.

"Strahan: Without Plaxico, Eli needs to feel comfortable with another WR and I don't think he has that yet."

Just putting that out there...

I love how Edwards doesn't think catching balls will help him uh, catch balls.

No shit, it's not Brady throwing it, but don't bring up muscle memory and then go on to say that catching balls isn't going to help you.

That article was before last preseason game where Edwards caught a TD pass and had a big game. He also had another spectacular one handed TD pass called back.
Plax was the same way with drops, he'll have his share of drops, but he will make up for it with a lot of big plays. Thats how it is with a WR's, TO is the same way.
Brandon Marshall was also high up there with drops last season.

stating that we've never had any real interest and this whole offseason has been a smokescreen thrown up by outside sources as a complete fact despite the ABSOLUTE fact that people with real connections have been posting the opposite.

last season.

how much our collective WRs can be simply by having two guys that have the potential to get open consistently. We keeping comparing man-for-man with all this Edwards business. But the thing I like most about our young guys is taht we will have two or three of them out there. I think we keep forgetting that Toomer just wasn't the same last season. It is tough to build a consistent passing attack without a stud if you are not going to consistently to both the 1 and the 2. Just look at how much better we seemed to be in 3 WR sets. Smith added a whole new dimension because he could reliably get open.

and Dwayne Bowe was #2, and Brandon Marshall was 3rd, and TO was 4th, and Roddy White and Calvin Johnson tied for 5th...

What do they have in common?

don't be ridiculous. He was incredible in 2007.

he's got bad habits and bad concentration.

I also think it's funny that he's commanding that kind of money when he KNOWS he can't hold onto the ball, even acknowledges it, but then turns around and says "that's just football".

show me some proof that the front office was actively seeking out Braylon Edwards.

you think rumour and innuendo from "asshats" is proof? i feel sorry for you sometimes.

Maybe that besides Roddy White, NONE of them even made it to the playoffs?

get the ball thrown there way alot and as a result with also have more drops compared to wrs who do not get targeted as often

Well connected people in the franchise have confirmed this. You expect Jerry Reese to come out in a presser and say he's trying or has tried to make a deal? That's not how it works.

I read that Brandon Marshall led the league in drops last year, Edwards was #2. So...there's that...yeah.

Those teams didnt make the playoffs because of their WRs? Yikes...

a quote from your "well-connected" people. i'll wait.

that's it, you're brilliant.

What do I win?

being said about Edwards now could have been said about Burress in 2005. And that turned out to be an absolute steal for us. No matter what happened last year

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Incredibly flawed logic. tito wooten : 1:06 pm Those teams didnt make the playoffs because of their WRs? Yikes...

Kind of like emphatically stating over and over that without a trade for a big name one we're NOT going to make the playoffs?!?!

lol, okay.......

but here is an article on why Denver might be seeking that QB trade other then B. Marshall.
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was only a "steal" for us when he signed his original contract (admittedly way below market for his talent). when he got the new deal in early 2008, he was being paid properly for his contributions and talent level.

and, shockingly, that's when the wheels fell off.

that we're not going to make the playoffs. I am just having a recurring nightmare of another offensive meltdown like the one we saw in January. Philly could have punted on first down every 2nd half possession, we weren't going anywhere.

very few people are talking about without another receiver we won't make the playoffs.

Many don't think we can win a title with what we have. Winning a title is the objective, not going one and done like last year

been on, then you may have the WORST reading comprehension skills on BBI.

That's just football..




Where's my $10 million per?

Burress getting a new contract contributed to him shooting himself? I don't see the connection there.

I don't claim to be able to prove you wrong, just as I can't be proven wrong. It's speculation based on information we have been given...and we obviously aren't privy to all the details.

IMO, it would have been crazy not to pursue a guy like Edwards or Boldin given our situation at that position. I think the talks were a little more serious than just kicking the tires, but I have no problem with people thinking differently.

Very few, if any, people have said we won't make the playoffs.

thanks for verifying what i was saying earlier, BBB and Mook. again, fickle, immature, young fans who need to win the superbowl every year, otherwise the season is a failure.

this discussion was fun, kiddies. make sure you pay REAL close attention to Thursday's game. after all, it's SUPER important!

Read the article I posted. It's not just that one game, it's a looooong time problem dating back to Michigan.

Have fun.

No new contract- Plax would have been on a budget and not be able to afford clubbing. Jake makes perfect sense again.

is winning the Super Bowl not the goal?

the object of every year is to win the Superbowl. You try to put yourself in the best position to win the Superbowl every year. That's the fucking object, moron.

You can't win one every year, but you try to put yourself in position to do so. And many on here believe Edwards puts us in a better position to win a title.

I know it's difficult for a moron like you to understand

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go ask Tom Coughlin or Brandon Jacobs if last season was a success. Watch how red Coughlin turns or see if Jacobs nostrils flare.

i was referring to Burress' performance on the field after he got paid. but you guys were probably too busy playing Madden to pay attention to what was going on during the regular season.

We are a team sitting on the ledge of the window, with Jerry Reese holding the window open. With his bare hands.

yes, god forbid our goal for our favorite team is to win the Super Bowl. Is the season a complete failure without one? No. But the goal is to win the thing.

It must be a facebook thing.

Give me a break

sure, his "stats" weren't great, but we were the best offense in football before he shot himself. We still may not have won a Superbowl, you have to have many things fall your way to do so, but we would have had a lot better chance if he didn't go to that club

to say that if we added a talented, vet WR, it would increase our chances of winning?

I think you're dead wrong about your winning every year argument. Take that shitty thought process to a Rangers thread. Very Seth like of you

Go watch the Monday night game in Cleveland last year and see what difference an elite WR can make against a good defense.

If you deleted that one off of your DVR (I wouldn't blame you) pop in the 2008 NFC title game.

how dare you expect the Giants to want to increase their chances of winning a Superbowl this year. Go on facebook and play madden, sissy

this is where you make a huge error, Mook.

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You try to put yourself in the best position to win the Superbowl every year.

that's only partially true, however. yes, the goal for each season, when you're a contender, is to win the Superbowl. BUT, you also have to consider the long-term. in other words, the primary goal is to keep your team in contention for as long as possible, as consistently as possible, not simply to win one Superbowl and then rebuild thereafter. we're not the fucking Seattle Seahawks. we're one of the premier franchises in the league and we're in a position to contend throughout the life of Eli's career.

do you want to seriously fuck the entire roster strategy just so you can have a shiny new wide receiver who catches (on occasion) a deep ball? that's not what football is about. this is a game that is won and lost in the trenches. again, play less Madden and watch more real football and you might learn a thing or two, Mook.

....is how exactly adding a legit #1 WR like Braylon Edwards could be a BAD thing... assuming we didn't overpay to get him (which JR wouldn't...).

he drops passes

should expect to win a title every year.

But we should all expect management and staff to put us in the best position that they can (within reason) to do so every year.

That's all you can ask for

We are a win now team with a glaring hole at exactly ONE position on the roster. Nobody is saying the mortgage the farm to acquire him, we understand that we have the unique ability to compete both now and long term.

Mook knows and understands this, and your "this is the NFL, not Madden" tone is pretty insulting, and does nothing but make you look like a douchebag.

last time I checked, Edwards is 26.

I'm not sitting here advocating trading top draft picks and Hixon and giving him a 9 million dollar a year contract.

But if he only costs Hixon and say a 4th round pick, plus a reasonable contract (around 7mil) then I would do it.

Again, all within reason. I realize you have to look toward the future, but Edwards is not old. Reese will not give up a ton for him. If we get him, it will be on Jerry's terms

This year, next year and beyond by not trading young players, valuable draft picks and dishing out a huge contract for a dolt like Braylon Edwards.

Desperation doesn't lead to sound business decisions. Thank God Jerry and Co. aren't as reactionary as some as you.

because i hope to look like a douchebag when talking down to immature kids who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Before this discussion had started in March/April, a majority of fans didn't know that Toomer led the league in drops a few years ago. It's because receivers drop passes. Quarterbacks throw interceptions. It's just the way it is. To put a guy in a category of "major issues with drops" because of one season is rather short sighted imo.

Another issue is the definition of a drop. We as Giant fans know all to well that not all passes are created equally and therefore, not all drops are either. There are throws that are high, low, behind a guy, etc that are deemed "catchable". So when a guy reaches behind himself as he's running full speed and cannot bring in a pass that hit his hands...that's a drop in the statistic book. Did the QB make it easy on him? Would most receivers have caught that ball? It's largely subjective, however for those in the "Edwards sucks because he has horrible hands" camp, it's a very convenient stat to hang your hat on. Most others perfectly understand that drops are a part of the game and are not always easily to blame the receiver and the receiver alone.

If you take just a couple of those drops and share the responsibility with a very erratic Derek Anderson, you have a receiver in the middle of the pack in the drops statistic and the whole argument is watered down quite a bit.

"What made the Giants so dynamic was they had 3 backs and an OL averaging 5 ypc and eventually you had to drop a safety into the box which left Plaxico 1 on 1 and he was too big/fast/strong to leave alone...of course they don't have that anymore".

Collinsworth = idiot too.

Laughing at the thought that The Jake needs anything to make him look more like a douchebag.

all of this when I'm older

I can only hope...

You know about as much about football as my grandmother...I have no doubt you've never played on any level above Pop Warner.

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But if he only costs Hixon and say a 4th round pick, plus a reasonable contract (around 7mil) then I would do it.

and do you think the Browns would make that deal? trade their blue-chip WR for $.10 on the dollar?

maybe that trade would work if you proposed it to the computer in Madden, buddy. not in real life, unfortunately.

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What I'd like to know... arcarsenal : 1:18 pm ....is how exactly adding a legit #1 WR like Braylon Edwards could be a BAD thing... assuming we didn't overpay to get him (which JR wouldn't...).

How would we get him without overpaying? What do you consider as overpaying? He's certainly not going to take less than 8Mil/year.....is that overpaying, considering we still need to pay Osi/Kiwi or make some tough decisions as it is WITHOUT dishing out 8Mil to another offensive player....


I just don't see how the benefit outweighs the cost of brining in a "legit" #1.

Certainly talentwise we would be better, but we may just be able to win the SB with who we have...why risk losing talent down the road (that we may already be at risk of losing) when we may be able to accomplish the task without the extra risk?

Not to mention the behavioral problems...

you're a gambling man. care to wager on that?

who said this, in February 2009:

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But in the National Football League, us in personnel and the front office, we try to go one year at a time. You try to look into the future, but you don't know what's going to happen with that. We're worried about the upcoming season. We'll make adjustments as we move forward.

funny...Jerry Reese thought enough of a 31 yr old Plaxico Burress to give him a fat new contract...and Edwards posted a year head and shoulders above anything Burress ever has...at age 24!!!

the variable in this is Marshall, Denver may not get .10 cents on the dollar for him and that may be the best they could do.

I don't think for a second that the Browns would do that, but Denver is headed towards giving up Marshall for a high five and a coke

probably some fucking idiot facebooker who just proposes Madden trade fantasy ideas

i'm sure that was Jerry Reese, but if you think that quote disproves what i said about considering the future, then your reading comprehension is pretty shitty.

probably someone with a facebook account

here is another quote, same guy

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There are some unknowns, so you're cautious about it. But again, we're year-to-year, season-to-season. We're just worried about the upcoming season and we'll let the chips fall wherever they fall moving forward after next year.

Doesn't necessarily constitute an upgrade to what is already here. and considering the cap hit and the attitude issues, wonders if it makes sense to send any assets for him.

One should wonder why Cleveland is willing to accept such a meager package like a 4th and Hixon for a guy who allegedly would command the same attention Plaxico did.

$100, and i'll give you 10 to 1 odds on our bet. i'll produce evidence to verify.

an immature madden player to me

He sits around his office mentally masturbating to the attention he gets in arguments from people on BBI.

Leave him alone and he goes away.

I read it just fine. But it appears some other guy is a little less concerned about 2010 than you are.

And contributed to winning teams year after year, an incentive laden deal with an overall value lower than what Braylon would be asking for.

Since that time the Giants have added FOUR receivers (Hixon--who was not a regular contributer before last season--, Manningham, Nicks and Barden) who are expected to fill the void. Obviously that changes the approach a little bit.

are apparently living in a world with no salary cap, or one in which anointing a new player to a position wouldn't annoy other players.

All this for a guy that isn't that great a player.

LMAO, all the bullshit you talk about gambling and you're proposing a bet? Get bent. I have more faith in getting paid from Flounder than I do you.

are you seriously suggesting that we throw caution to the wind every off-season and that we ONLY care about the upcoming season with not a care in the world as to how current signings/acquisitions affect the future?

i know you like to play devil's advocate, but you can't possibly be suggesting that.

Come on...nobody truly believes that, do they?

one would also wonder why Pittsburgh would let a young talent like Burress go and no one be interested in signing him without having to give up any players?

Again, I am not all "we must get Edwards!!" but I think he would help us, and for the right price (picks, players, money) I would do it.

Do I think we will do it? No, because Reese will determine the cost is too high. And if he determines that, then I trust his judgement on it

In terms of money, I don't know. I'm confident that this FO can make the figures work and make sense. I'm talking more about what we'd give up in terms of players or picks.

Sure there's a chance we can win a SB again this year without Braylon... but there's also a much BETTER chance of us winning one with Braylon.

If we're on the cusp, it makes a whole lot of sense to make a move that could put us over the top. We're not always going to have a team this good.. we need to capitalize and win as much as we can while we have it.

You are pigeonholing are argument, of course contract size and what Cleveland will accept plays into that...we're working under the assumption that both are realistic.

If they are not, I'm on your side.

you made a claim - that you're sure i didn't play organized football above Pop Warner. i am challenging you on that claim. i can produce evidence to prove you're wrong.

tell you what - how about we both send the money to an uninvolved party, i'll send him the proof, and then he decides whether i've won the bet? is that fair?

or...are you just unable find the courage to stand behind your convictions?

not Cleveland, Denver.

Denver is headed toward getting nothing for Marshall.

How quickly people forget that a guy like Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder. And before you say well that's the Raiders, something tells me if another team actually offered a better pick than the Pats did, the Raiders would have accepted

Nobody here has said:

- We should pay him $10+ mill a year
- We should pay huge in draft picks/young talent
- Screw the future the only goal is win now.

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in the deal, so its not jsut a 4th roudner and hixon

via my Uncle in Nigeria.

I think all of us care.

no way am I saying that. I think that the Giants have a plan in place, they make smart deals and work their cap in a way that prevents issues (thus far). Reese though is going to make a move that will make them better in 2009 even if it could cause a problem in 2010. He said it himself.

but feel free to post proof and I will admit I am wrong.

I dont care about Jake playing pop warner

yeah I agree

a fucking coward, BBB. if you're going to take a stance like that, at least have the nutsack to put your money where your mouth is.

because he said post proof and he'll admit he's wrong?

Interesting

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you're The Jake : 1:34 pm a fucking coward, BBB. if you're going to take a stance like that, at least have the nutsack to put your money where your mouth is.

Jake whined on every betting thread about what losers people who bet are and now he's challenging BBB to a bet.

Cant make this stuff up

on here isnt. Always.

Plaxico was a UFA and one who was asking for far more than he eventually settled for.

The situations aren't even close to the same beyond "mercurial WR"..

he's a coward because he won't bet on it. for a guy who loves gambling so much, and is so sure he's right, this should be a no-brainer for him.

but, as usual, BBB is all talk and no action.

Denver would get our receiver, but not the pick. At least that's the way I see the rumor panning out if it were true.

Either way, it's assumed that we'd have to give up a receiver and a pick, and Hixon and a 4th is a pipe dream imo. But who knows...

Valid point about Moss, but not all trades can be compared equally like that.

You want to talk about degenerate gambling and then bet me? Again, get bent.

You have posted nothing to indicate you know anything about football, not a thing. Your assertion that we never had any real interest in BE and that the entire thing was a smokescreen is laughable.

The irony is fucking DRIPPING here.

it's always personal w the Jake

on this thread

What the fuck world are you living in where you expect the Giants to add Braylon without meeting the following terms:

-Parting ways with a valuable young player AND a valuable draft pick

-Giving Braylon a big, fat, new contract. To the tune of $8-10 million per season

-Dealing with the consequences of that contract almost immediately, when guys who are currently on the team start looking for new deals next offseason. Who do you want? Osi or Braylon? Kiwi or Braylon? You get the point.




The "pro-Braylon" crowd just glosses over these MAJOR hangups in any potential deal. There's no way to get Braylon Edwards in New York without meeting those terms, probably at a minimum. Some BBIer's are acting like the Browns are looking to deal Edwards for a case of beer and a jugs machine.


The "just go get Braylon" crowd refuses to recognize the very real COST of acquiring a player. Anyone here would take Braylon in a heartbeat. Of course. But do I want Braylon Edwards for a player, a pick, a huge contract, and cap issues down the road? Fuck no. He's not worth it. He's not close to worth it. And this team will be a hell of a lot better off for not making such a ridiculous move.

i don't expect you to understand the difference between degenerate gamblers who gamble every single day because they can't avoid thinking about it, and me, who wants to make *one* bet to teach BBB a lesson and shut him up.

perhaps if you had the IQ of something more sophisticated than a squirrel, you'd be able to grasp that.

those who agree with him and fucking idiots.

again, put up or shut up. you made a claim, i challenged you on it, and you backed down like a little bitch. just like fekker did when he claimed i wasn't really a lawyer.

a squirrel?

I'm not sure who the "just go get Braylon" crowd is, I'm definitely not in it. If it's Hixon, a 4th, and a long term deal with a significant SB and is backloaded (and how can you not trust JR in contract negotiations? He's one of the very best) than yes, I think we should do it.

If it's Smith/MM/Nicks, a #1 or #2, and a $10 mill a yr contract, than I am not interested.

this is viable information?

wait....what odds are you giving him? The trade is a longshot. I'd take that bet if you give me 10-1

Baaahahahahahaha.