Agree or disagree: Injuries are a state-of-mind

malingering is

Some people are more injury prone than other for a variety of reasons.

Everyone has a different pain threshold.

is a state of mind?

This is one area where Coughlin seems to have changed since he took the HC job.

if you adapt the frame of mind of a Diehl/Seubert, an "I'm playing this Sunday and that's it," you may be less likely feel the effects of a certain type of injury as much as someone else with a "here we go again, now it's my hammy, another week on the sideline" kind of attidude.

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But, there are some that you can't.

In are you hurt. Or are you injured.

Injuries are when your body physically disallows you to play. Being hurt is when something on your body hurts, but upon blocking the pain out, does not disallow you from playing.

like to make fun of him about. The fact he used to catch heat from that, from supposedly intelligent adults in his field, is absurd.

Make no mistake - there are guys is the NFL that like to coast and collect a paycheck. Specifically, a player who has already signed for a huge guaranteed sum who subsequently can't practice. (Plaxico Burress anyone?) It's hard to believe to Joe Diehard that would give anything for a shot in the pros. But it's true. And then, there are guys who do whatever it takes to be on the field. Regardless of financial situation. (Eli Manning or Justin Tuck come to mind, for example.)

Coughlin's point was that you need the latter. As he put it, you don't want guys "lingering in the training room". You want to make that training room the least desirable place to be, in the world.

that Coughlin said that injuries are a state of mind.

Can you prove that? I certainly don't recall him ever saying that.

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Specifically, a player who has already signed for a huge guaranteed sum who subsequently can't practice. (Plaxico Burress anyone?)

No one, I mean no one showed more guts that Plax playing on one leg almost the entire 2007 season...Please never use Plax as an example of a malingerer..Think what you want about Plax, but lack of fortitude and grit was not a shortcoming

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because there are so many aspects to it

- can anyone really know how much pain someone else is experiencing

- say the extent of an injury is downplayed or even not publicly known, the player guts it out and when his performance suffers he "sucks"

- are there players that could handle the pain but not the inabilty to perform at 100%?

- where is the line drawn line between being a gamer and being selfish? are you playing to satisfy your ego or to keep some streak alive?

- are you helping or hurting the team playing hurt?

- long term vs short term considerations

- I don't know if I'd consider a headache or flu an injury, an amputated finger I think I might

but superficially, from decades of following sports, it just doesn't seem right that a young kid like Ross would miss 5+ weeks with a pulled hamstring.

And Cantey, who I believe had never missed a game before, and is being paid millions of dollars, out 4 games with a "bruised" calf. They should give that injury another name, cause bruised just doesn't sound serious enough.

adrenaline is pumping you can perform. Broken legs, torn pects,ankles,even torn cartilage. Helps not to care about pain. Pain is a state of mind. Muscle can replace structural damage at times.

Hurt means you can play, injured means that you can't

Playing hurt is a part of life , playing injured is not smart

I also remember the quote from when Coughlin was hired implying that many injuries are of the "state of mind" variety and that he would fix them. It was a dumb thing for any coach to say and has come back many times to bite him in the ass. Since you are a skeptic please refer to the attached link.
Coughlin's dumb "state of mind" quote - ( New Window )

it has NEVER come back to bite him in the ass save according to those BBIers who couldn't stand him from the get-go and their subsequent harping on his words instead of what he obviously meant...Just a poor use of words by TC, nothing more...He's proven that his entire tenure here

''I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of I.R.'s, which is a cancer, let's face it, it's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else.''

played in the Redskins game then suffered the injury in the first practice on the Weds after the game.

or function in a way that causes pain. Say; you have a completely torn hamstring.... one that is completely torn away freom its attachment to bone. It requires surgical attachment and there is no way under the sun you can play with that injury regarless of your ability to take pain. YOu can not make that muscle work, it is impossible. So you can't run. The muscle can contract but there is no way it can move the bone.

A partial tear.... sure, you can perhaps work through the pain.
So it depends on the injury. State of mind does effect injury propensity it seems. If you feel you will get injured you are probably much more inclined to get injured. MInd attitude effects injury, ability to get injured, and ability to recover, and time to recover, but seemingly in not all cases.

Terrel Owens recovered fron a ankle injury that defied all medical knowledge about how soon someone can recover from that injury. But he was still not able to play for quite a few weeks regardless due to that injury.

So it affects but not absolutely.

some players will work the system, because they can. They are here to make $$$; and it was the best they could do. Coughlin knows that, and tries to avoid these types of players. Not an easy job. His statement is directed at those guys. The assh/les who did not want TC hired, then wanted him fired, will use anything to justify their stupidity. IMO.

"No it isn't"

The reading comprehension here is dumbfounding--stress the dumb part.

When playing football, you often play through pain and slight injuries (slight sprains, even broken parts in casts sometimes) but at the same time you can't/shouldn't play through certain injuries that NEED time to heel--hamstrings, high ankle sprains, etc.

Coughlin's point was that some players need to know the difference and sometimes suck it up and play even though it might be painful. C'mon...think, fellas?

Calling me skeptical is an understatement.

the quote I asked about was never made.

nailed it. IMO

It was a slap at Fassel and a message to the players. Pussies could pack their shit and move on. There were several rumors about players electing not to play under Fassel when they could have gone.

that ever kept me out of anything. Of Course I have never had ACL tears and such. I think extenuating circumstances have alot to do with it for these players. If the Giants were playing for their Playoff lives they'd get in there. I swear I've played in HS with soreness to start and by the time the game was over my soreness was gone, only to return the next day 2x worse.