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Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 9:15 am
According to the Dallas Morning News, the "entire Cowboys contingent perked up" when Idaho OG Mike Iupati weighed in Monday at the Senior Bowl.
A guard in college, Iupati could probably play as many as four positions on the offensive line at the next level because of his impressive build and incredibly long arms. The Cowboys are especially needy at the tackle spots.

Oh please God no, this guy would anchor the Cowboy's Offensive Line for a Decade.

According to an ESPN report earlier this month, Alabama NT Terrence Cody weighed "right around" 355 pounds on January 5.
In other words, Cody appears to have gained 15 pounds (he measured 6'4/370 at the Senior Bowl) in the last 20 days. Cody's body appeared sloppy, to put it mildly, when he removed his shirt for Monday's weigh-in. While weight fluctuation is a routine concern for clogging, nose-tackle types, Cody is already resembling a late-career Ted Washington at age 21.

Already weight issues with this guy and we havent even hit the Combine yet? Do you want this unmotivated beast on your team?

Wisconsin DE O'Brien Schofield tore his left ACL on the first day of Senior Bowl practices Monday.
The Defensive MVP of last week's East-West Shrine Game, Schofield ranked second in the nation in tackles for loss and second in the Big Ten in sacks as a fifth-year senior. He was a probable second- to third-round pick before the injury, but now may fall out of the draft altogether. Some team is still likely to sign and stash Schofield on I.R. for 2010 because of his upside.

Promising top 4 round pick, now likely an undrafted FA...Giants better jump on the phone ASAP after the draft if the case...kid can play and can be stashed on our I.R.

From yesterday but for those who missed it an eye-opening look into the character of Mays...(Personality rubs me the wrong way with a lot of these arrogant USC guys)

USC S Taylor Mays reportedly drew the ire of an NFL pro personnel man when he leveled Citadel WR Andre Roberts on the first day of Senior Bowl practices.
NFL types want to see DBs make plays on the football in drills, not take out 5'11/192-pound return specialists in the open field. This is especially true in Mays' case. He only had five interceptions as a four-year starter at Southern Cal, with just two of the picks coming in his last three seasons.

And Other Blurbs of interest...

Kyle Wilson, the CB from Boise State was the biggest standout of the day. During the CB vs. WR drill, Wilson undercut an out route for an interception on his first rep and was an offensive pass interference away from another on a nine route. Wilson was a premier punt returner in college, which means he is dangerous after an interception.

Dan Williams had a good day stuffing the run, at least as good as possible without full pads. He didn't do well in pass rushing drills, however, which is a drill designed to favor the defensive player. I'm not particularly concerned if the DT Rick Smith drafts is an elite pass rusher as long as he can stuff the middle, so this development might actually be beneficial.

Myron Rolle is a popular story because of his year hiatus from football as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, but unfortunately that break has caused some rust. He has plenty of time before the Combine and his Pro Day, but even then he is considered more of a strong safety who lacks coverage skills. Probably not a consideration for the Texans.

Offensive Guard Vladimir Ducasse will be under the microscope this week. Ducasse moved to the States from Haiti when he was 14 and has only played football for six years, but he has enough raw talent that Mayock compared him to Jeff Otah. On his first pass rush drill the quicker O'Brien Schofield blew by him on the edge as Ducasse was playing LT. Before the analysts could even finish stating that Ducasse never saw speed like that at UMass, Ducasse went against Schofield again, anchored down and unfortunately injured Schofield when he fell on him. I mention all this because he is rated as a guard and could be a steal after the first couple of rounds.

Credit Rotoworld & Battleredblog for the info, feel free to update & discuss as the day goes on about prospective Giants Draft Selections
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Anakim : 1/26/2010 2:14 pm : link
We're not going to play a zone scheme (which Mays belongs in, mind you). He's below average in Man coverage; he's a SS in the NFL. I believe we already have that in Kenny Phillips. Mays has very stiff hips
Dubs : 1/26/2010 2:14 pm : link
It's the combination of stiff hips (which he has), mediocre instincts (which he has), shoddy tackling ability (which he has), bad angles (which he takes), a tendency to pile on (which he does) and a tendency to aim for the big hit rather than complete the play (which he does).

I haven't been routinely impressed with Mays for two seasons now, and I've seen 15 or so USC games in that time.

I'm not sure what to make of him in the pros...he can be coached and put in a scheme that maximizes his talents...but his collegiate production points to a lot of risk.

Point is: if he wasn't an athletic freak, he would never come up in a draft discussion. And that troubles me.
Anyway, it seems like the Oregon guys are doing work in practice  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 2:16 pm : link
Wes Bunting gave Ed Dickson a glowing review, and I'm not surprised that Blount got a lot of love. Think of a bit slower, but more physical Adrian Peterson, with a nice little case of the crazy to boot.
Thank you, Dubsy!  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 2:17 pm : link
He has tools to work with but if you want to go by pure production, he's not a first round pick. Not even a second round pick
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 2:24 pm : link
I can accept your aforementioned comments on Mays because they have merit. I myself have been quite vocal about Mays and his stiff hips and his issues playing the ball in the air.

But saying "he couldn't cover anyone in college" is just silly. Mays was defending the deep half of the field on virtually every play and almost never got challenged deep. When he did get beaten, it was by a whisker-- the perfect throw from Clausen to Tate for a TD, this year, for example. Mays was a heartbeat late on that play. He wasn't late on plays like that last year (gee, maybe the knee injury DID make a difference)-- ask the Cal WR's who kept getting separated from the ball as it arrived on about a half-dozen occasions.

I'm not saying Mays is a great cover guy, I actually agree with Amtoft that his position in the NFL is strong safety, where he can creep up to the LOS and throw that big body around. But the picture being painted here is laughable, as if Mays has been burned over and over again in his college career. False, if you actually bothered watching the kid play.
Excellent post, Rich  
JonC : 1/26/2010 2:25 pm : link
Anakim : 1/26/2010 2:27 pm : link
So how is he not a project CONSIDERING he's very raw in coverage (based on what you said, it was the scheme that brouht unfair criticism to Mays).

I mean we have a SS already. His name is Kenny Phillps
Dubs : 1/26/2010 2:28 pm : link
I'd agree with that. I really, really liked Sy's comparison to Adrian Wilson. Put him in that role and he could prosper. He'll need to beef up his tackling fundamentals (Wilson is an exceptional tackler...Mays is not) but it would minimize his weaknesses.

And I still think that the idea of moving him to OLB (WLB) has some merit.
Dubs : 1/26/2010 2:31 pm : link
An article on Dickson. Not that we'd draft him, but he's been impressive. And Sean Canfield, in an effort to be exactly like Chad Pennington (the draft's best prospect-pro comparison, IMO), is making all of his throws under 15 yards and floundering when he has to throw any further.
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If Mays doesn't learn how to tackle  
Returning Video Tapes : 1/26/2010 2:31 pm : link
he is just going to be another Laron Landry.
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 2:32 pm : link
I don't think Mays is right for the Giants. I'm just defending some of the nonsense being tossed out about him.

Part of me does worry that if we pass up on him he'll end up being a 9-time Pro Bowler for someone else. Especially if Kenny never returns 100% from his injury. But looking at Mays objectively, I don't think he's the right fit here. He'd be better off starting from day one as a strong safety for a team that uses him to blitz and wreak havoc.
Just curious but why do you keep calling me Amtoft?  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 2:33 pm : link
Hey Rich  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 2:34 pm : link
If you cast me in of your shows, I'll change my name to Amtoft ;)
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 2:34 pm : link
Sorry, Anak. Amtoft is a good buddy here and I'm used to talking USC-Cal with him.
All good in the hood, Rich  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 2:37 pm : link
Any new information on Dan Williams regardong the practice?
From McShay and Scouts Inc. on Iupati  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 2:39 pm : link
There is not a weakness in Iupati's game when he's lined up at guard.

Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 2:43 pm : link
I'd prefer that comment coming from Mayock instead of McShay/Scouts... but yeah, Iupati is an impressive guy.

Yeah, they're second class, but it's still outstanding praise  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 2:45 pm : link
In other news...Mount Cody, holy crap. Haven't seen this angle before.
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I know what Iupati's weakness is  
santacruzom : 1/26/2010 2:55 pm : link
it's that he'll be drafted before we pick. Dammit!
Anakim : 1/26/2010 3:01 pm : link
I hate you for posting that picture. I wanna throw up!
drkenneth : 1/26/2010 3:05 pm : link
That has to be so embarrassing. Parading your fat ass up there for everyone to gawk at.
Dubs (re: your Mays post)  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 3:25 pm : link
My biggest concerns with Mays are his ball skills (he goes for the kill shot instead of playing the ball), poor angles and lateral agility (will be interesting to see how he performs throughout the pre-draft process without the lingering knee injury that hampered him all season).

The key is that Mays is going to be playing an entirely different role in the pros than he did in his senior season at USC. He is not a prototypical ballhawking FS, that description fits prospects such as Eric Berry or Earl Thomas. As you just mentioned, if he is placed in a role where he can be utilized similar to how the Cardinals use Adrian Wilson it will cater to his strengths. Mays has the ability to be a difference maker as an in-the-box defender with coverage responsibilities that don't expose his weaknesses. But he has also shown that he can execute his assignment in deep coverage if asked to prevent the big play and his impeccable sideline-to-sideline range is invaluable in this capacity.

Allow him to play downhill and closer to the line of scrimmage as opposed to playing deep centerfield and he is going to make far more of an impact and be a much more productive contributor. The argument was over the comment about Mays being unable to cover anyone and how he is weak in man coverage when primarily his assignment revolved around ensuring that no opposing receiver get behind him over the top. Implying that he was exposed consistently in man-to-man coverage is absurd and off-base since he served as a deep cover safety in zone throughout his senior season (obviously, you didn't make this claim).
BBI Scouting Report of Taylor Mays  
Will in NJ : 1/26/2010 3:26 pm : link

Manages to wear helmet and other equipment correctly
Always on time for team travel arrangements
Excellent athleticism
Forceful hitter who intimidates opponents
Sexy physique and winsome smile
Rarely lines up in the neutral zone

Exploited in coverage
Poor tackler
Routinely tries to decapitate receivers (legal ramifications?)
Struggles playing the ball in the air
Half black
Half jewish

NFL Comparison
CC Brown
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 3:29 pm : link
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 3:30 pm : link
MLB Darryl Sharpton dropped an interception during drills, but bounced back with two nice picks. Then, as if he needed to balance things out, Sharpton drops an easy one. (Sharpton is rated as being in the upper portion of a solid inside linebacker class.

Ole Miss WR Dexter McCluster was handling punt returns and made good adjustments while the wind tried to make a few catches more difficult.

Miami TE Jimmy Graham looks fluid while running routes, but he dropped a couple of passes during receiver drills, including a short pass thrown right to his belly.
chris r : 1/26/2010 3:33 pm : link
Is he a reliable enough tackler as an in the box safety?
McCluster is going to be one of those guys  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 3:34 pm : link
that steadily rises throughout this process. He could break the back end of the first.
Dubs : 1/26/2010 3:35 pm : link
Currently? No. But being in the box will prevent him from trying too often for the knock out blow (not as much space to move), so maybe it will force him to settle down and establish himself. That said, watching him try and stop some RBs near the line this year was not a pretty sight. But again, it's about minimizing weaknesses.
chris r  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 3:37 pm : link
IMO yes, his problem as a tackler is that he occasionally sacrifices technique to go for the kill shot. Keep in mind that he had 90+ tackles as a senior despite playing 20 yards off the LOS predominantly, he has shown quality tackling ability when he doesn't get reckless.
Tebow now sick...  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 3:41 pm : link
Tim Tebow, who turned in a disappointing first Senior Bowl practice, is reportedly battling strep throat this week.
According to ESPN, Tebow still plans on playing in the Senior Bowl. The illness may buy him a mulligan on Monday's struggles, but he's still going to have to show that he can play under center.
May buy him a mulligan?  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 3:41 pm : link
Give me a break.
Twitter updates from Feldman and Staples, respectively  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 3:47 pm : link
Ole Miss WRs Shay Hodge and Dexter McCluster looking very good at Senior Bowl today. Dexter's quickness is ridiculous.

Former #UGA DT Geno Atkins looking mighty quick in 1-on-1 pass pro drill at Senior Bowl practice.
Did they mean Tebow is suffering from  
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 3:48 pm : link
a "strep arm"? Because a strep throat has nothing to do with how awful he's throwing the ball.
I'm trying to figure out how strep  
Davisian : 1/26/2010 3:50 pm : link
Affects the center exchange.
Taylor Mays was  
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 3:51 pm : link
very erratic with tackles because he'd try to use that big body as a missile instead of wrapping the ballcarrier up. Even as a freshman he tackled that way. I never understood why Pete Carroll (a former DB himself) tolerated that. I'm sure Mays will the basics of "wrapping up" in the NFL; he's a bright kid.
Shanoff, Tebow's butt buddy, is in full defense mode  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 3:53 pm : link
Commensurate with his status as the Senior Bowl's -- and college football's -- biggest rock star, there is a strong chance that he could have mediocre workouts yet still go in the Draft's Top 10, to the Jaguars.

Undoubtedly, this drives the draftniks crazy, because it is irrational -- and because it makes their opinion about the most intriguing prospect in NFL Draft history irrelevant.

Draftniks have two choices: Bash Tebow and look like fools when he goes in the 1st round, or abandon their analysis and reflect more accurate "reality" in their mock draft. Either way, the only mockery is the draftnik-industrial complex.

That logic is entirely absurd. The Jaguars would draft him for financial reasons as much as anything else. And regardless: a shitty workout is not automatically vindicated by a team taking a flyer on Tebow. The fact remains: he is a spread QB with a weird release who is having trouble under center. If a team wants to take a gamble, fine, but that doesn't mean that the "draftniks" are incorrect in their assessment.
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chris r : 1/26/2010 3:55 pm : link
you think its a safe bet to assume that someone who has made it to through 4 years of football at the top football university in the country without learning the fundamentals will learn them in the pros because he's bright? Where was the intelligence at USC?

BTW, I'm not being rhetorical.
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 3:55 pm : link
On a few BBI favorites from this morning's session...

Sean Weatherspoon’s play was poor today. He is a quick, nifty athlete that was able to immediately alter his angle of attack to make plays. He also flows well laterally to the play and shows a good amount of speed. Problem is he could not tackle anyone and Weatherspoon’s tackles were almost always broken, which resulted in gains for ball carriers.

Daryl Washington is a nice athlete and did an effective job in coverage. He got depth on drops and easily ran downfield with tight ends.

Vladimir Ducasse did see limited action at guard. His footwork and agility has yet to be an issue. His problems continue manifest from problems in his technique up top. Ducasse can be terribly inconsistent with his punch and aiming point. He is aggressive and quick off the snap in the run game.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Finally, Iupati saw a few repetitions at left tackle in pass rush drills The guard by trade was beat badly on those few occasions. His feet and hands were not in sync…getting too wide with his handplay and too narrow in his footwork. As a result defensive end prospect Alex Carrington was able to beat Iupati easily, with one particularly spectacular encounter ending with the offensive lineman lying on his backside. Inside, his technique also remains inconsistent. Hands continue to be wide, though powerful when grasping a defender. He will overset initially, but has the athleticism to recover. A redeeming quality is his work ethic and consistent effort throughout the practice.

All of these blurbs were from TFY's site.
not encouraging about Weatherspoon  
chris r : 1/26/2010 3:57 pm : link
I thought he might be projected on the inside in a 4-3.
Seems like they're treating Iupati like a guinea pig  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 3:59 pm : link
His value would go up if he's a consistent tackle but I like the idea of a mauler at guard.

Washington is one of my favorites. I see he's becoming a BBI fav, too. Kiss of death.

Weird on Weatherspoon...McShay was giving him some love.

Some more (contradictory?) updates via twitter:

NFL teams looking for a center should check out USC's Jeff Byers or NC State's Ted Larsen. Both looking good today.

OK, so Terrence Cody won't win any bodybuilding contests but he just bullrushed NC State's center back five yards in a heartbeat.
Good, I hope Weatherspoon drops  
RoadWarriorz : 1/26/2010 4:20 pm : link
to our 2nd, I want him in Blue badddd
chris r  
Rich in L.A. : 1/26/2010 4:26 pm : link
USC produces good tacklers in general-- see for reference Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Kaluka Maiava, Rey Maulaluga, Cary Harris, and Kevin Ellison (all starters as rookies). I think the USC coaches gave Mays a pass because his tackling style DID result (in general) in taking people down. But in the NFL, he won't be able to get away with that. He won't be dwarfing RB's and WR's like he did in college, so he'll have to wrap people up and drag them down.
GiantsLaw : 1/26/2010 4:32 pm : link
165 lbs is not going to cut it. Are there any 165 lb players in the NFL? That's tiny.
armstead98 : 1/26/2010 4:33 pm : link
From what little I've seen of Washington, he strikes me as a good athlete and great football player. Do you know where he is projected to play in the NFL? MLB? Also, early projections on what round he where he will drafted? I'd guess 2nd or 3rd but I really have no idea.
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 4:37 pm : link
Washington is most likely going to be a weakside backer in a 4-3. Should be a 2nd rounder.
Oh no!  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 4:44 pm : link
The LB prospects are doomed!

Former Giants D-Coordinator Bill Sheridan coaching up the linebackers
Other updates  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 4:46 pm : link
Dexter McCluster burns Javier Arenas and makes a diving catch on 50 yard bomb by Tebow

Taylor Mays missed a jam at the LOS on Riley Cooper in 1-on-1's.

Dan Williams getting grilled for handle the double team poorly

Annnnnd there is Tebows first fumbled snap in team drill[quote]

[quote]Cardinals scouts saying some good things about S Taylor Mays
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 4:48 pm : link
But I wouldn't completely rule out Washington staying inside in a 4-3 if he can add a bit more bulk to his frame.
Wes Bunting with some thoughts  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 5:24 pm : link
Kyle Wilson, good. Brandon Ghee, bad.

Alex Carrington getting love.
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Some good updates here  
Dubs : 1/26/2010 5:30 pm : link
Just read on down
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