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Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 9:15 am
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According to the Dallas Morning News, the "entire Cowboys contingent perked up" when Idaho OG Mike Iupati weighed in Monday at the Senior Bowl.
A guard in college, Iupati could probably play as many as four positions on the offensive line at the next level because of his impressive build and incredibly long arms. The Cowboys are especially needy at the tackle spots.


Oh please God no, this guy would anchor the Cowboy's Offensive Line for a Decade.

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According to an ESPN report earlier this month, Alabama NT Terrence Cody weighed "right around" 355 pounds on January 5.
In other words, Cody appears to have gained 15 pounds (he measured 6'4/370 at the Senior Bowl) in the last 20 days. Cody's body appeared sloppy, to put it mildly, when he removed his shirt for Monday's weigh-in. While weight fluctuation is a routine concern for clogging, nose-tackle types, Cody is already resembling a late-career Ted Washington at age 21.


Already weight issues with this guy and we havent even hit the Combine yet? Do you want this unmotivated beast on your team?



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Wisconsin DE O'Brien Schofield tore his left ACL on the first day of Senior Bowl practices Monday.
The Defensive MVP of last week's East-West Shrine Game, Schofield ranked second in the nation in tackles for loss and second in the Big Ten in sacks as a fifth-year senior. He was a probable second- to third-round pick before the injury, but now may fall out of the draft altogether. Some team is still likely to sign and stash Schofield on I.R. for 2010 because of his upside.


Promising top 4 round pick, now likely an undrafted FA...Giants better jump on the phone ASAP after the draft if the case...kid can play and can be stashed on our I.R.

From yesterday but for those who missed it an eye-opening look into the character of Mays...(Personality rubs me the wrong way with a lot of these arrogant USC guys)

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USC S Taylor Mays reportedly drew the ire of an NFL pro personnel man when he leveled Citadel WR Andre Roberts on the first day of Senior Bowl practices.
NFL types want to see DBs make plays on the football in drills, not take out 5'11/192-pound return specialists in the open field. This is especially true in Mays' case. He only had five interceptions as a four-year starter at Southern Cal, with just two of the picks coming in his last three seasons.


And Other Blurbs of interest...


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Kyle Wilson, the CB from Boise State was the biggest standout of the day. During the CB vs. WR drill, Wilson undercut an out route for an interception on his first rep and was an offensive pass interference away from another on a nine route. Wilson was a premier punt returner in college, which means he is dangerous after an interception.


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Dan Williams had a good day stuffing the run, at least as good as possible without full pads. He didn't do well in pass rushing drills, however, which is a drill designed to favor the defensive player. I'm not particularly concerned if the DT Rick Smith drafts is an elite pass rusher as long as he can stuff the middle, so this development might actually be beneficial.


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Myron Rolle is a popular story because of his year hiatus from football as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, but unfortunately that break has caused some rust. He has plenty of time before the Combine and his Pro Day, but even then he is considered more of a strong safety who lacks coverage skills. Probably not a consideration for the Texans.


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Offensive Guard Vladimir Ducasse will be under the microscope this week. Ducasse moved to the States from Haiti when he was 14 and has only played football for six years, but he has enough raw talent that Mayock compared him to Jeff Otah. On his first pass rush drill the quicker O'Brien Schofield blew by him on the edge as Ducasse was playing LT. Before the analysts could even finish stating that Ducasse never saw speed like that at UMass, Ducasse went against Schofield again, anchored down and unfortunately injured Schofield when he fell on him. I mention all this because he is rated as a guard and could be a steal after the first couple of rounds.


Credit Rotoworld & Battleredblog for the info, feel free to update & discuss as the day goes on about prospective Giants Draft Selections
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Mount Bust will not dissapoint  
Figgy2989 : 1/26/2010 9:28 am : link
Jesus, 15 lbs in 20 days, what the hell was this guy eating?
A couple of things regarding your comments...  
barens : 1/26/2010 9:31 am : link
I'm not quite sure what rubs you the wrong way about Mays' personality? What makes him so arrogant?

Schoefield will still get drafted, IMO. if a team wants him, they won't wait until the drat is over. He's too good a football player.

And to answer your question regarding Cody, I'd want him on our team outside of the first round. Not motivated? His team won the national championship and he was a big reason for it, no pun intended.
Just b/c Mays was playing physical  
GMen131 : 1/26/2010 9:38 am : link
does NOT make him arrogant! That's his strength, obviously he needs to play to his strengths. He's a big-hit, knock you out, dont leave yourself open when i'm around type of safety and for him to change that right now would be dumb on his part. Obviously he's gonna have to work on his coverage techniques but to try to do it in a 1 week span instead of plying to his strength in front of these scouts would be foolish on his part.
Iupati won't make it to the Cowboys pick imo  
Torrag : 1/26/2010 9:39 am : link
Teams are realizing he can play RT at least as well as OG. That will increase his value and he's just too good to drop that far imo. If Berry(pipedream but I can wish), Haden, McClain, and Mays are off the board imo we could be looking at O-lineman at #15. Don't force a defensive pick if the offensive line talent is better. We have spots on the O-line that can be upgraded right now, starting with Seubert at LG. IMO Richie needs to go to the bench at this point, he's had a nice run on a Gucci leg but looks to me like its taken its toll on him. McKenzie at RT may be wearing down, he missed a lot of time this season. Diehl isn't a blue goose LT tho he is effective noone is mistaking him for Jumbo Elliot out there. Eli was harassed too much for my liking this past season, imagine what he'll do if we can keep him clen in the pocket.
Mays  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 9:46 am : link
has a reputation of being a dirty player

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He also has a reputation for unclean hits of the helmet-to-helmet variety, one that’s not entirely undeserved.


Also..a House Representative called Mays out as a “headhunter”

At this rate  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 1/26/2010 9:46 am : link
I will be surprised if someone takes Cody in the 2nd round, nevermind the first.

He better get his weight under control for the combine.

Too bad for Schofield - that sucks. Interviews will make the difference for him. If he shows determination to get better and contribute, he will get drafted. But there is no doubt he just lost a bunch of money.

I'm just  
DaMightyGiants : 1/26/2010 9:52 am : link
wondering if Beatty is an upgrade over Diehl at LT? if so, that will excellent, then we could draft Iupati and kick him out to RT and slide Diehl to LG...man I'm really anxious to see how Beatty develops this off season, his development alone can make a big difference...If we tighten up that line, Eli would put up Video game numbers!
Were the Texans really considering taking Rolle  
Figgy2989 : 1/26/2010 9:52 am : link
with their first round pick? I thought even with a good showing at the Senior Bowl and putting up "better than expected" numbers at the combine/FSU pro day, he would be a mid to late 2nd round pick at best.
Scofield tore his ACL?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/26/2010 9:55 am : link
Goddamn, shit luck for such a hard working kid.
Nasif  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 10:01 am : link
You may have an anti-USC bias in regards to Mays but character isn't an issue with him. I'm not calling you out when it comes to this but it seems like the people that would have a problem with Mays doing that in a practice should be just as mad, if not more concerned, about Brandon Spikes trying to gouge an opposing RB's eyes out in an actual game.

You should be concerned about Rolando McClain picking up 2 personal foul penalties on the same play (a dead ball personal foul & an unsportsmanlike conduct) against Virginia Tech when he threw a forearm shiver at an opposing linemen. If you don't want players with mean streaks then it should apply to everyone, not just Mays. I just hope you remain consistent in regards to that.

Personally, while I hope Mays doesn't repeat that type of conduct in practice (I don't expect him to, he's a very coachable kid) our defense desperately needs an enforcer who will inject some much needed toughness into the entire unit. To balance out the anti-Mays blurb in the writeup, here's a positive Mays blurb from yesterday...

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Posted by: Ed Thompson
at 01/25/2010 04:31 PM ET
Taylor Mays Physical in Practice

USC's Taylor Mays was the most consistently physical and successful CB on that last drill in the South Practice. He uses his hands and upper body really well during initial contact at the line. Mays is behind only Tennessee's Eric Berry in Scout's rankings of safeties.
In McClain's defense....  
Greg from LI : 1/26/2010 10:06 am : link
....it was against Virginia Tech. Anyone can be excused for personal fouls against that team.
The knock on Mays...  
Klaatu : 1/26/2010 10:06 am : link
Is that he didn't make enough plays (unintentional rhyme). But wasn't that the knock on KP, too?
Out of the skill position  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 10:15 am : link
Prospects on day one, it seems that the consensus is that Dexter McCluster & Jacoby Ford had the most impressive performances.

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Ole Miss RB #22 Dexter McCluster played like a star today. He exploded through the line and was able to exploit tiny holes for big gains. Easy to imagine him doing the same at the next level.


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Jacoby Ford (Clemson): He was the most consistent receiver on the north squad today. He wasnt as quick out of his cuts as [Mardy] Gilyard, but he was fast enough and in control of his body. What he did better than all of the receivers as catch the football. In fact, I dont remember seeing him drop a pass in any drill. He was also frequently getting open in the one-on-one, five-on-seven, and 11-on-11 drills. The QBs targeted him mostly on shallow routes, but he also managed to get separation and make clean catches on deep outs. What was telling was the fact the north quarterbacks gained confidence in Ford early and increased his targets as the five-on-seven and 11-on-11 drills progressed. Interestingly, Fords impressive play in the team drills came after he cramped up just after a quick practice break while returning a kick off. He got cramps in both calves and literally waddled slowly down the field, stretching his calves for five minutes. However, when it was time to get opposite a corner, he looked perfectly fine until the very end of practice when he cramped up again. Nothing major, but telling that his body was acting up and he still looked like the most reliable receiver on the field for the north squad.


BTW, I'd put any amount of money on Ford running the fastest 40 at the Combine in February. His track credentials are phenomenal and he is likely to threaten Chris Johnson's Combine record.
Bad break for Schofield  
PeterS : 1/26/2010 10:16 am : link
I hope these guys have some sort of insurance that will cover any loss of income due to an injury.
Ford  
Mike in NY : 1/26/2010 10:19 am : link
His biggest issue is his height (I believed he measured in below 5'9"). He has shown the ability to get around the jam against college CB's, but the real question remains whether he is the next Desean Jackson or the next Dexter Jackson
Mayock likened McCluster to Darren Sproles.  
Klaatu : 1/26/2010 10:23 am : link
Too bad Emmitt Smith is no longer with ESPN. I'd love to hear him try and say "Dexter McCluster."
Will A/P  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 10:23 am : link
Forget the character issues...end of the day at #15 I think for a safety with question marks (and can possibly moved to Outside LB) I think is too much of a risk. Unless its Eric Berry, I'm not a fan of a 1st round safety this year, with our many needs.

Dont get me wrong I have no problems with mean streaks but stuff after the whistle (like Spikes) or personal fouls for stupid things during a play always pisses me off. Not only does it does it show a lack of discipline, but greatly hurts the team...and these type of guys I would greatly avoid; especially if coming in as a rookie.
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JBGiants : 1/26/2010 10:24 am : link
I love Mayock, but don't think I agree with McCluster being compared to Sproles. McCluster is going to be a hell of a player for whatever team drafts him...much more of an every down guy than Sproles, IMO.
Huge McCluster fan,  
barens : 1/26/2010 10:25 am : link
he's really the only offensive skill player I'm hoping the Giants get their hands on within the first 3 rounds. He brings a dimension the Giants could really use on offense.
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JBGiants : 1/26/2010 10:27 am : link
Although after looking at McCluster's weigh-in yesterday, he is a lot smaller than I thought he was. 5 8.5 and 165. I thought he was closer to 5 10 180, but guess I was dead wrong.
Also interested to hear how Jermaine Gresham  
barens : 1/26/2010 10:28 am : link
fairs at the combine, if he's able to workout. He looks like a true matchup nightmare.
Sproles was a dual-purpose back...  
Russel in VA : 1/26/2010 10:29 am : link
and a fine kick returner. If McCluster does that at the next level nobody's complaining.
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JBGiants : 1/26/2010 10:30 am : link
Russell, I agree, Sproles is a very nice player...I just had originally thought McCluster could be a bit more than that and be an every down guy...not sure after really looking at his size, though. He plays bigger than his weight, IMO.
did Dexter McCluster  
sps28 : 1/26/2010 10:30 am : link
do any punt and kick returning? the few times i saw him play he was incredible and always looked to be the best player on the field
This we have many needs thing is overplayed  
Torrag : 1/26/2010 10:30 am : link
We are a solid football team that had a lot of defensive injuries. Our offense was very good most of the year. Do we have some holes to fill no doubt but we have free agency and the draft to fill them and we will. Most notably we need a MLB and a S. If we fill those two spots the right way imo we are contenders again. Mays at #15 is a very good fit. IMO he's a safety in the NFL, he's a fluid athlete with very good speed. What he needs is coaching and he'll get it at the next level.
jb, there's nothing wrong with being compared to Sproles,  
barens : 1/26/2010 10:30 am : link
he's a heck of a football player. The big difference, to me, is that McCluster can play WR as well.
JB...  
Klaatu : 1/26/2010 10:31 am : link
I think you were right about him being more of an everydown player than Sproles. Mayock mentioned how he was used at RB for a stretch and was getting something like 18 carries a game - 25 in one game I think.
Spiller..  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 10:33 am : link
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The 49ers are expected to pursue a return specialist that also offers value as a versatile offensive player this offseason.
The draft-eligible that fits this profile is Clemson RB C.J. Spiller, who returned four kickoffs and one punt for touchdowns as a senior. Still, it's somewhat hard to imagine San Francisco using one of its two first-rounders on a tailback a year after drafting Glen Coffee in the third round. The Citadel's Andre Roberts and Clemson WR Jacoby Ford are later-round options.
Agree w/Torrag  
ColHowPepper : 1/26/2010 10:35 am : link
We're one (maybe two) good draftees away from shoring up the O big time--

on d, too many holes to fill and to really improve with one great pick--go with the best available player when #15 comes around, whichever side of the ball, spend the rest of the draft on d.
Nasif  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 10:36 am : link
Fair enough, nice to see that you're remaining consistent. Out of curiosity, who is your #1 target for our 1st rounder since you aren't interested in McClain, Mays or Spikes?

JBGiants, the McCluster/Sproles comparison is interesting and it's important to remember with McCluster that he's just 5'8" and 165 pounds. It's hard to imagine him holding up to an every-down workload, though he presents very intriguing potential in a situational role. Sproles was certainly under-utilized in the San Diego offense this year, particularly with Tomlinson's rapidly decreasing productivity, but he's a very solid contributor when called upon and a dynamic return man.

Mike in NY, I'd say he falls somewhere in between those two but he'll never be anything close to what Desean Jackson is as a WR. That being said, I doubt that he fizzles out completely the way that Dexter Jackson did. He also won't be drafted as early as Dexter Jackson was, I expect him to be a 4th-5th round option as opposed to an early round prospect.
Will A/P  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 10:39 am : link
Dream: Eric Berry
Realistic & Wouldnt Mind: Brian Price
Throw the Remote: Taylor Mays
Mays isn't a throw the remoter for me...  
Russel in VA : 1/26/2010 10:41 am : link
just a mild disappointment. The only throw-the-remoters for me would be guys that are clear reaches (Odrick comes to mind, though his postseason could change that) or tweener DEs like Kindle.
Russel, I agree with you about Kindle,  
barens : 1/26/2010 10:44 am : link
but Odrick a good one. I wouldn't be disappointed at all.
Interesting  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 10:44 am : link
Mays is right there with McClain as the top two guys that I hope we draft at #15. I would be thoroughly happy with Mays, though I know that's contrary to popular opinion here at BBI.
What's with the Alabama guys having man-boobs?  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 10:45 am : link
?
...  
Russel in VA : 1/26/2010 10:47 am : link
Note to self...
Anakim : 10:47

Look into transferring to Alabama
Nasif you sound like the people that were bashing KP in '08  
Torrag : 1/26/2010 10:48 am : link
Mays will be a very good ballplayer. This defense needs an attitude adjuster, a physical freak that puts the fear of god into opposing teams. Mays will bring that to our team. Did you even watch this guy play? In college the INT was not his forte but he was rarely beaten deep and he punished a lot of people. He's a solid tackler that suffers from being overaggressive and going for the knockout hit everyplay. NFL coaches will harness that urge and this kid will be good. Realistically after McClain he's my #1 target this draft.
I am another one who would be on board with Mays  
Figgy2989 : 1/26/2010 10:49 am : link
If he fell to us at 15 and McClain is off the board, he would be the pick IMO. Having him and KP at the two safety postions would be deadly for opposing WR's. Plus both can come up and play the run well which is important for Fewell's type of schemes.
Mays certainly has potential  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 10:50 am : link
Too bad he couldn't cover anyone in college. But there are tools to work with.


Right now, he's a project
McClain, I have a hard time  
barens : 1/26/2010 10:51 am : link
seeing him get past Miami. Seems like a Parcells type of pick, perfect for their defense.

Odrick though, I think is one of the more underrated players in this draft. He was clearly the best defender on that Penn State defense last year.
Any word on Kurt Coleman?  
Stu : 1/26/2010 10:51 am : link
.
I'd rather get Javier Arenas or Perrish Cox than McCluster  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 10:51 am : link
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Odrick at 15 would be a remote-tosser  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 10:52 am : link
For me. I'd rather have Dan Williams or Brian Price
Perrish Cox?  
Giants in 07 : 1/26/2010 10:53 am : link
We should draft him in the first.


-Davisian.
Odrick at 15 would be a remote-tosser  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 10:53 am : link
For me. I'd rather have Dan Williams or Brian Price
I'm also intrigued by Syd'Quan Thompson  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 10:56 am : link
If he has a good 40 time, he could not only be our KR/PR but our Nickle CB as well.
Pretty Intrigued by this guy in the mid-rounds...  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 10:56 am : link
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Mississippi State RB Anthony Dixon worked out at fullback during Senior Bowl practice Monday.
While Dixon looks the part of a fullback at 6'1/245, he is a tailback and is much more likely to stay there in the pros. Wes Bunting of the National Football Post projects Dixon as a first-year starter in the league who'd probably fit best in a power-blocking scheme. With a bulldozing running style and smooth receiving skills, Dixon has the look of a top-50 overall selection.


But would be a luxury pick IMO
Mays is seriously  
Nasif08 : 1/26/2010 10:59 am : link
too boom or bust in the NFL level based on what scouts are saying...his best position might not even be Safety it might even be OLB...just too much risk to justify at #15.

Teams going after physical specimen instead of production really scare me (like the Jets with Gholston, Raiders with Heyward-Bey). Teams always fall head over heels with size, height, 40 time etc.
Anak  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/26/2010 11:12 am : link
You're off base with the Mays couldn't cover anyone comment. He struggled with the role that USC put him in as a senior but he'll never be playing that type of role in the pros. And even when he played 15-20 yards off the line of scrimmage with the responsibility of not allowing anyone to get behind him, he executed his assignment far more often than not. Line him up against a tight end, allow him to get physical and he's going to excel. Allow him to cover half of the field as opposed to the entire field in deep coverage (when necessary) and it will cater more to his strengths.

And Mays is no project. A 4-year starter from a program as prestigious as USC who only missed 1 game in his career due to injury? He's as NFL ready as they come in this year's class.
Mays will struggle with man-coverage in the NFL  
Anakim : 1/26/2010 11:23 am : link
But the potential is there
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