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Nasif08 : 1/27/2010 10:42 am
Today's chatter from Twitter (movethesticks)/Rotoworld

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Idaho OG most likely pro bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Sr Bowl. Rare size, strength and quickness. Sticks out like a sore thumb


Obviously referring to Iupati

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Dan Williams will end up going in top 20. Too big, strong and active. Cody likely out of 1st rd. Might be a 1 down player, no stamina


One of the first early risers before the Combine?

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Lots of teams have questions about Taylor Mays ability to play in the deep half. He's late off the hash too much. No anticipation.


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SI.com's Tony Pauline reports that USC S Taylor Mays has appeared stiff in the hips on the Senior Bowl practice field and may force teams to begin projecting him as an outside linebacker.
Pauline isn't the only one saying it. NFL Network's Mike Mayock noted that Mays has struggled in man-coverage work, and he was easily beaten off the line of scrimmage by Florida WR Riley Cooper in one drill we saw. At 6'3/231, Mays looks more like a "Will" linebacker than a safety. His stock is slipping.


Daily Taylor Mays Update ;)

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Javier Arenas is a feisty, competetive nickel type but deep speed is a ?


Was very intrigued with Arenas in the 2nd Round, liked what I saw in College, but pro scouts are questioning his speed which im surprised as he seemed to have "game quickness"

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McCluster is dynamic. None of the South CBs could get a hand on him off the line. Like him better as a slot WR than a RB.



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Ole Miss RB/WR Dexter McCluster is reportedly drawing comparisons to the Jets' Leon Washington from NFL personnel at the Senior Bowl.
The connection is obvious because of McCluster's versatility. He caught 130 career passes for the run-first Rebels and graduated second in school history in all-purpose yards, behind only Deuce McAllister. McCluster was used sparingly on returns, but certainly has the skill set to be an impact NFL player there. He may be the hottest prospect at this week's Senior Bowl.


Really think this kid is gonna be a playmaker in the next level.

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Tebow threw it okay when he had a lot of room. However, when bodies close in, he can't get the ball out. Motion is WAY too long.


Wonder if the rumors of Jax/NE liking him so much are really true?

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By the way, they must have a heck of a workout program at Oxford because Myron Rolle was the most impressive physique BY FAR


Funny stuff but some smart team in the mid rounds is gonna roll the dice on this kid and eventually it will pay off tremendously IMO.

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Alabama NT Terrence Cody said Tuesday that he plans to shed 30 pounds and get to 340 before his rookie season in the NFL.
If he's serious about shedding fat, Cody's weigh-in at next month's Combine will be telling. He could really damage his stock by reporting heavier. Cody's 370-pound Senior Bowl measurement was 21 more than his weigh-in prior to Alabama's 2009 season and 15 greater than he weighed 16 days ago.


Daily Terrence Cody weight status


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Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum had high praise for Boise State CB Kyle Wilson in an interview at the Senior Bowl Tuesday.
Wilson was a standout punt returner while doubling as a four-year starter for the Broncos. He also returned two of his senior-year interceptions for touchdowns. The more jobs you can do (the better)," Tannenbaum said. "I think he certainly will play for a long time, and he has good ball skills."



Feel free to add/update to this as the day rolls along.
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Sean Weatherspoon........  
Simms11 : 1/27/2010 12:43 pm : link
The more I hear about this guy the more I like the proposition of the Giants taking him. Will he be there in the second round for us? Probably not without trading up in the round. He brings a level of athleticism and enthusiasm that is needed on the Giants LBing corps and back 7.
Reading about Weatherspoon  
Nasif08 : 1/27/2010 12:45 pm : link
he seems like an ideal leader that our defense is sorely lacking
DC  
FuegoKidd : 1/27/2010 12:49 pm : link
Polamalu can literally play anywhere as a safety, Mays might be stuck just at the line... Don't forget Polamalu will do crazy shit like line up ready for bump and run coverage on the TE when really they are in Cover 3 zone blitz and he somehow gets back to defend the deep middle.

Hopefully for Mays he ends up like Thomas Davis and not USC alum Darnell Bing who I thought had a lot of potential!
I like Mayock alot  
Dave M : 1/27/2010 12:53 pm : link
He blows away most draft analysts but I remember him really harping on how Kiwanuka got dominated by Fuergeson during senior day practice and I think Kiwi is doing just fine.
I'm going to put the eyball on Mays this afternoon  
Sy'56 : 1/27/2010 12:57 pm : link
I didn't see as much of him as I wanted to, focused on some other guys. I'll be sure to get plenty of notes down on him and put them in my south report tonight.
Dave  
FuegoKidd : 1/27/2010 12:57 pm : link
that could also mean that Kiwi took that week personal, and that Mayock was right to question him but Kiwi acted like a professional athelte, took it personal and decided he was going to kick some ASS.

Kiwi is easily my favorite defensive player on the Giant. When the season was practically over I stopped watching the whole screen and just watched the difference between Kiwi and Osi at the RE position... it was like watching Varsity one snap with Kiwi then JV the next snap with Osi
In fairness to Mayock and Kiwi,  
barens : 1/27/2010 1:26 pm : link
Fuergeson turned out to be a heck of a left tackle.
Where is Rolle projected to go?  
armstead98 : 1/27/2010 1:35 pm : link
I like everything I've read about him. Will he be around in the 2nd?
the Giants should alter their running game to suit Iupati  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2010 1:40 pm : link
Is this a serious statement?

You really need to calm down.

Dumb question  
lawguy9801 : 1/27/2010 1:47 pm : link
If Iupati is such a specimen (and he apparently is), how did he end up at Idaho? Bad grades? Discipline problems? Or just a late bloomer?
Everything your read about Weatherspoon  
Figgy2989 : 1/27/2010 2:11 pm : link
says how vocal he is and a lot of people applaud his ability to manage the game on the defensive side of the ball. Basically saying is an AP type player who is more athletic.
I really  
UCONNGiantFan : 1/27/2010 2:12 pm : link
want us to pick up Myron Rolle, i dont care if we have to move around to get him in the third or fourth round, I think this guys is going to be a star.
lawguy  
Figgy2989 : 1/27/2010 2:12 pm : link
I remember them talking about that same thing during Idaho's bowl game. IIRC, he wasn't offered any big time D1 scholorships coming out of HS. He was basically an unknown coming out of HS and Idaho was one of the few schools that offered him a full ride.
Could Snee, Diehl or Iupati play center?  
Saos1n : 1/27/2010 2:15 pm : link
If O'Hara were to go down, or lose an additional step, could one of the 3 of them step in? Would be a ferocious interior oline....
Hell I'd take Rolle with the 2nd pick  
UCONNGiantFan : 1/27/2010 2:15 pm : link
and great, a OG, I know hes a player and I know he going to be good, but we NEED a LB and I'll take Spikes, I'd pay $ to see Romo or McNabb get poked in the eye or punched in the face, more than anything, our D needs tome mean, Bad Ass Mf-er type attitude and I think he's the man for the job.
Damn..  
Nasif08 : 1/27/2010 2:16 pm : link
why didnt Practice 1 & Practice 2 Threads get stickied last 2 days lol
The Mays feedback  
#10* : 1/27/2010 2:18 pm : link
just pushes me in Spikes direction. I think he could be our patrick willis. If Philly is rumored to be wanting him i say dont mess around just take him @ 15.
Lions O-Cordinator opinion on Iupati...  
Nasif08 : 1/27/2010 2:18 pm : link
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Lions offensive coordinator Scott Linehan says Idaho OG Mike Iupati is "obviously the best player" at the Senior Bowl.
"I've heard a lot of good things about him, and it's holding true," said Linehan, who is coaching Iupati's North squad. "You really notice him. He can do the double teams. He's powerful. You see him pull." The Lions have a gaping hole at left guard, though they'd likely need an additional first-round pick to get Iupati. He'll be gone by Detroit's second-round pick (No. 34).
Risers/Fallers So Far According to SI...  
Nasif08 : 1/27/2010 2:24 pm : link
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Dexter McCluster/RB/Mississippi: McCluster has a slight build at 5-foot-8 and 165-pounds, yet plays big. He was one of the best players on the field Tuesday. He displayed a darting style on the inside and ran hard between the tackles. McCluster is also fast and consistently beat defenders around the corner or made big receptions downfield as a pass catcher. He's being compared favorably to Leon Washington, the former Pro Bowl player from the Jets.

Taylor Price/WR/Ohio: Price has put together two outstanding days of practice. He's a speedster (sub-4.4 in the 40) and plays to that time. Price quickly released off the line, ran good routes and constantly got separation from opponents. He's also caught everything thrown his way. Several teams have Price rated as a top-60 pick in April's draft.

Mardy Gilyard/WR/Cincinnati: Gilyard is another receiver that has made his mark in Mobile. He also runs good routes and consistently finds a way to get free from defenders. Gilyard is both quick and fast and has made a number of solid receptions both days.

Shawn Lauvao/G/Arizona State: Lauvao has been playing his more natural position, offensive guard, after spending his senior season at left tackle for the Sun Devils. He's looked outstanding and has been applauded by coaches on a number of occasions. He rather easily handled the highly rated Jared Odrick of Penn State in drills, then later showed his athleticism in scrimmage by annihilating several linebackers when asked to block on the move.

Alex Carrington/DE/Arkansas State: Carrington entered the game branded as a quick athlete who lacked the strength to beat larger blockers. Thus far, he's quelled that criticism. Carrington has displayed a complete game over the first two days and has run over blockers besides beating them off the corner. Carrington beat the highly rated Mike Iupati in drills and was loudly commended by coaches on the field.

Tyson Aluala/DT/California: Aluala worked hard, played with good technique and showed a lot of power. He easily held the point or defeated blocks all day. Aluala has impressed scouts who feel he has the potential to line up at defensive tackle or as a 2-gap end.

Joique Bell/RB/Wayne State: The small-school prospect has turned heads since stepping on the field. He broke several long runs on Tuesday, displaying outstanding vision and a burst. Bell ran hard on the inside and has competed well all week.

Kyle Wilson/CB/Boise State: Wilson was feisty from the start of the day, battling receivers and breaking up several throws. He's very quick and plays the cornerback position with a degree of suddenness. Wilson has definitely established himself as one of the better cornerbacks from the senior class.

Colin Peek/TE/Alabama: Peek is not the best athlete on the field nor the strongest, yet all he's done this week is make plays. He's done a terrific job as a blocker, taking on then handling larger opponents. Peek also made a number of big receptions, beating defenders into the secondary then coming away with the ball. Peek has improved his draft stock at least a round this week.

J.D. Walton/C/Baylor: Walton really stepped up his play on Tuesday after a slow start on Monday. He blocked with great fundamentals and controlled opponents at the line of scrimmage besides displaying the ability to effectively block on the move. The top spot at center from the senior class is up for grabs, and Walton is stating his case.



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Taylor Mays/S/USC: Mays checked in at a chiseled 231 pounds, but may be a little too big for the safety position. He looked stiff and mechanical with his defensive back fundamentals and really showed limited skills in pass coverage drills. Teams may start projecting Mays to outside linebacker based on his inability to make plays in centerfield.

Darryl Sharpton/LB/Miami (Fla.): Sharpton struggled all day and showed few skills in coverage, besides getting blocked from the action on a continuous basis. He was consistently beaten in drills and chased the action rather and made few plays.

Dekoda Watson/LB/Florida State: Watson also struggled throughout the day. He gave up a lot of receptions in coverage drills and was very slow to react to plays all day. Watson turned in a disappointing senior campaign and has continued that trend in the post season.

Sean Canfield/QB/Oregon State: Canfield threw the ball with poor passing fundamentals and showed marginal arm strength. He sprayed passes throughout the day and really struggled to accurately hit receivers in stride. Canfield was a late riser after a terrific senior campaign, yet has done nothing to establish himself as a draft pick the past two days.


Some  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 3:03 pm : link
May find this article odd considering the negative publicity Mays got yesterday.

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The first thing you notice about Mays, as one former NFL assistant on the sideline observed, is that he is huge. Tight end-sized. Southern Cal listed him at 6-3, 230; he towered over the other d-backs at yesterday's practice. He moved very well for a big man, covering large chunks of the field effortlessly. When Mays ranged over to help out Alabama corner Javier Arenas, breaking up a pass intended for Citadel wideout Andre Roberts, dozens of scouts murmured appreciatively.

Southern Cal's Mays conducts safety clinic at Senior Bowl practice - ( New Window )
Russel  
malslayer : 1/27/2010 3:14 pm : link
Russel in VA : 12:28 pm
"Mays might be able to pull it off, but its tough to spend a first on a project. Not at 15."

Amen!
Is Anybody From The Giants Staff  
pa_giant_fan : 1/27/2010 3:14 pm : link
Or front office at the Senior Bowl?
Draft Breakdown  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 3:15 pm : link
Writeup for this morning's North squad practice
Senior Bowl Blog: Wednesday - ( New Window )
You have to like this comment  
Figgy2989 : 1/27/2010 3:27 pm : link
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Sean Weatherspoon was playing very fast and was moving from sideline to sideline with ease. He did have some problems in his drops (not getting back fast enough) and let a few balls get over his head because of this. He also got inside Vladamir Ducasse on one running play and anchored well. Weatherspoon was playing MLB in the Lions Staffs 4-3 defense. He played pretty well and he might have a future there.


South practice underway  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 3:32 pm : link
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Florida WR Riley Cooper got scolded for not giving top effort in individual drills.


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Once again Ole Miss' Dexter McCluster starts practice with the running backs. He'll likely switch to the WRs as practice progresses.
South  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 3:41 pm : link
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Still in individual drills. Florida WR Riley Cooper just made a great one-handed catch on the sidelines, drawing applause from the Gator-friendly crowd.


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USC TE Anthony McCoy continues to struggle. He has poor hands and lumbers throughout his routes. An underachiever at USC, McCoy seems set in his ways.
Listening to NFL on Sirius  
Figgy2989 : 1/27/2010 3:42 pm : link
Interesting tidbit on Cooper, he signed a $250K signing bonus with the Texas Rangers, wonder if he is leaning more towards football or baseball at this point. You would think after the performance he had in the Sugar Bowl, it would be football, but you never know.
I posted  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 3:51 pm : link
An article about Mays' performance yesterday and here's one from Garafolo about BBI favorite Myron Rolle. A good read for those who are intrigued by him.
Rhodes Scholar Myron Rolle tries to re-start his American football career - ( New Window )
man, just get Iupati  
santacruzom : 1/27/2010 3:51 pm : link
I want another guard out there that the opposing defense just hates going against. He probably won't be a Larry Allen type who so abuses players that they begin to feign injuries prior to their next game against him in hopes of not having to face him much, but it would be a great way to make our offense more physically imposing nonetheless.
South  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 4:00 pm : link
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We're seeing an interesting difference between the teams and coaches. The South team, with Dolphins coaches, do more individual instruction and work on technique. The North practices with the Lions coaching staff are more competitive... and more fun to watch.


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Tee South Team practice lacks enthusiasm. They stand around taking instruction more than they actually practice.


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Miami TE Jimmy Graham wowed the crowd at Ladd Peebles Stadium when he caught a 40-yd pass near the goal line and trotted into the end zone. He's showing great poise for a player who didn't join the Hurricanes football team until his senior year. Graham is a flat-out stud. He uses his frame to his advantage and possesses great hands. He can stretch the field and runs above-average routes.
South  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 4:14 pm : link
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South running backs Stafon Johnson and Ben Tate looked good in blocking. Miami tight end Jimmy Graham and Dexter McCluster not so much. Graham was working against Dekoda Watson, who doesn't have the best power.


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Miami TE Jimmy Graham is looking more and more like a project at tight end. He can't block and doesn't finish his routes. Ton of upside, but a team will have to have an established tight end already. Kind of like Martellus Bennett going to Dallas a couple years ago.


LMAO at 'looking more and more like a project'. Anyone who ever gave consideration to Graham not being a project is beyond clueless.
South  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 4:19 pm : link
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LSU's Ciron Black was just moved inside to guard and did a great job against Dan Williams of Tennessee.


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Riley Cooper of Florida is a very hot and cold player. He got shut down by Perrish Cox. Nice matchup between Javier Arenas and Shay Hodge. Arenas stuck with him well, but Hodge was able to make the catch.
South  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 4:31 pm : link
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USC offensive lineman Jeff Byers was rocked by a big collision with Miami MLB Darryl Sharpton. Byers pulled to provide a lead block but Sharpton hammered him head-on and then made the tackle. Byers stayed down for a few seconds and then slowly got up. He continued to participate in the 11-on-11 drills.


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Alabama DT Terrence Cody was limping a bit with what appeared to be a minor foot or ankle injury after finishing a one-on-one battle with an offensive lineman. He has stayed out on the field and is competing, but is stll limping between plays.


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There's a lot of shuffling of offensive linemen today. Ciron Black was moved to guard and excelled, after mostly playing tackle. John Jerry, who was terrific at RG and RT, stuggled today when moved to left tackle.


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Jarrett Brown is the best quarterback here by a mile. He throws a perfect laser strike to Jeremy Williams up the seam for a TD. Tulane WR Jeremy Williams made a great one-handed grab with tight coverage on a deep sideline pass from Tim Tebow.
figgy  
Big Rick in FL : 1/27/2010 4:35 pm : link
one of the Gators beat writers I follow on twitter said Riley Cooper gave his 250k bonus back to the Rangers already. He also said the NFL league minimum will be 310k this year so that could be why
pa giant fan  
mikej : 1/27/2010 4:39 pm : link
i believe i saw killdrive working with qbs.
South  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/27/2010 4:53 pm : link
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Safety Nate Allen struggled in coverage today; he lined up man-to-man with the receiver, but wasn’t overly impressive in coverage. I think playing deep as a free safety in zone may be his best fit, not up close to the line where he has to break in and out with the wideout.


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Perrish Cox intercepted QB Zac Robinson twice on the same drive. First he battled for the ball in the middle of the field and wrestled it away from the WR. On the second he read Zac Robinson's eyes and broke on the sideline route. Robinson is struggling today with his accuracy and arm strength.
JARRETT BROWN!!!  
Davisian : 1/27/2010 4:55 pm : link
!!
Ok if we could get Spikes in the 1st  
#10* : 1/27/2010 5:01 pm : link
I would be up for drafting Rolle in the 2nd or 3rd. Sounds like he can Qb that secondary and he's a physical ball hawk. I would take a chance on him and think its in our best interest.

Just not sure where hes grading out right now.
I'm not a Spikes fan, I wouldn't take him in the first  
RoadWarriorz : 1/27/2010 5:42 pm : link
I would rather Spoon if we're taking a LB in the first. 15 is probably high for Spoon, I would trade down if Brian Price or a stud lineman isn't available.

I like both Sean Weatherspoon and Daryl Washington, it doesn't surprise me that both are standing out at the Senior Bowl.
Sy...  
BleedingBlue2 : 1/27/2010 5:54 pm : link
Any Daryl Washington news today? I know you said yesterday he didn't really make an impact.
Jarrett Brown  
KWALL : 1/27/2010 5:56 pm : link
is loaded with potential. He's big and he can move. He could be a real steal in this draft.
Mays  
KWALL : 1/27/2010 5:59 pm : link
is nothing like Polamalu.

Troy has outstanding lateral quickness and explosion. That's why he gets to the ball so fast. Nobody can put a pad on him and he can slip blocks and beat people to a point. Mays can't do that.

yes  
BigBlueCane : 1/27/2010 6:01 pm : link
he has tones of potential to be a solid #3 QB.
Let me guess BBC  
KWALL : 1/27/2010 6:02 pm : link
You don't draft WV QBs.

Is that it?

Like the South Carolina skill position players and the Teford QB thing with Rodgers?
KWALL  
BigBlueCane : 1/27/2010 9:30 pm : link
the success of Sidney Rice and Aaron Rodgers doesn't cancel out the failures of Kyle Boller and Troy Williams.

I don't like Brown b/c I think he sucks. Got nothing to do with his school. Seeing the reports of him being one of the better QBs for the South suggests to me that the South simply does not have good QB's again this year.
The ridiculous  
KWALL : 1/27/2010 10:21 pm : link
thing about it is you dismiss players based on what others did years earlier with the same color uniform on. That's the joke here.

Why can't you figure that out?

I have no idea how Brown will develop  
Davisian : 1/28/2010 7:33 am : link
But he's got all the physical tools one looks for in a QB. Size, strength, arm strength, some speed. He's no burner, He's a pocket QB with some ability to buy some time.

But he doesn't have a long resume of starting and he'll need to be coached up for the next level.

I'd love to see him in blue, but understand it would be a late pick or UDFA..

KWALL  
BigBlueCane : 1/28/2010 9:43 pm : link
like you endlessly giving oral praise (in many forms) to players who's only real attribute is the uniform they wear?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

How do you gain 15 lbs in 16 days,  
TheBigBlueOne : 1/29/2010 12:38 am : link
Terrence Cody?!
A blurb  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/29/2010 12:42 am : link
That no one posted from DraftDaddy...

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Southern California safety #21 Taylor Mays covered a ton of ground getting to the end zone for a pass break-up. Mays is raw in coverage but is improving. Mays has rare athleticism that can't be taught.
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