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Senior Bowl Updates: Thursday practice reports

Will Allen/Peterson : 1/28/2010 2:45 pm
The North practice has come to a conclusion, South practice should be starting any minute...

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Offensive linemen are working on foot work this morning. While moving forward over the bags, Idaho's Mike Iupati, Massachusetts' Vladimir Ducasse, Arizona State's Shawn Lauvao and Notre Dame's Sam Young showed good leg quickness and control. But when they switched to lateral movement, Ducasse wasn't as fluid. He also drew some coaching on hands position while shuffling around the bags for not keeping them closer to his body. One player who stood out for the wrong reasons throughout the drills was Virginia Tech's Ed Wang, who's legs and feet moved with less coordination and in a visibly lower gear.


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The best play during a red zone session between WRs and CBs was when Tony Pike threw a bullet to Taylor Price, who made a toe-dragging catch in the end zone despite tight coverage. Boise State CB Kyle Wilson is the best of the corners in the red zone drill. He's quick to the inside stuff and always look for the ball on fade routes.


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The seven-on-sevens kick off with an end zone pick by CB Chris Cook. That was a terrible decision by QB Sean Canfield, who lobbed the ball into coverage. Rutgers CB Devin McCourty gave up a short catch, and then compounded it by not tackling WR Mardy Gilyard.


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It's hard to say what it means with no pads on, but OL Vladimir Ducasse is having his best day both on run and pass protection. Defensive linemen Jared Odrick and Alex Carrington continue to stand out in practice. Both were all over a bootleg.


Here's a full North practice writeup from DraftBreakdown.com...
Senior Bowl blog (Thursday) from Draft Breakdown - ( New Window )
Sam Young showing good leg quickness  
Figgy2989 : 1/28/2010 2:49 pm : link
He is going to need it chasing after those NFL DE's that go right by him.

I am a huge ND fan, and this guy is not going to be a good pro. I hope he proves me wrong, but he is tremendously over rated.
From Bruce Feldman's chat...  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 2:50 pm : link
McCluster:

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Fantastic. Most explosive guy in the draft. Great character guy too. But he is tiny at 165. But he's a better route runner than people realized and no one can stick him. I talked to one of the DBs down there last night who raved about him.


Wilson:

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Every time you see him, he impresses. A great find for Boise out of NJ of all places. Could work his way into the first round by the time April comes around.


Best/Spiller/McCluster:

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If they were running a 100 meter dash without pads it's probably Spiller or Best. If it the burst to blow thru a crease or dart past a DB, it's McCluster.


He also thinks Weatherspoon is going round one.
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Listening to NFL on sirius  
Figgy2989 : 1/28/2010 2:50 pm : link
Everyone keeps raving about Taylor Price. McShay even mentioned it in one of his blogs that if he had a good QB in college, he would have put up a lot better numbers. Getting to work with the talent he is at the Senior Bowl is going to do wonders for his draft stock.
McShay with a lot of love for Odrick and Graham  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 2:50 pm : link
in the North practice.
If we trade back in the first  
Figgy2989 : 1/28/2010 2:52 pm : link
I would not mind Weatherspoon. Everyone of these reports that I see on a daily basis says how he is very vocal and backing it up with his play. Something the Giants desperately need.
Figgy  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 3:05 pm : link
Agreed. There's really only a few guys I want at 15, and if they're gone, a trade down to the late first to grab someone like Weatherspoon would make me quite happy.
Alex Carrington continues to get good writeups.  
MOOPS : 1/28/2010 3:16 pm : link
I can see him being one of the big risers in the draft.
Odrick is definitely making a push  
GMen131 : 1/28/2010 3:42 pm : link
to be the #3 DT off the board. I haven't seen a ton of him but based on what I have seen he is always in the backfield disrupting things and everyone seems to be raving about him so far this week. Should be interesting to see if he can overtake Dan Williams and Brian Price for that #3 DT spot.
South practice updates  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/28/2010 4:02 pm : link
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Rather than hot dogging it, Oklahoma State CB Perrish Cox should try doing things like the coaches want


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Tim Tebow moved the offense well during a 2-minute drill, completing 3 of 4 attempts to three different receivers, including a really nice toss to fellow Gator Riley Cooper up the left sideline for roughly 25 yards.


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Wide receiver Andre Roberts from The Citadel and Florida QB Tim Tebow executed an end around run very smoothly. Watch for the South Team to use that play this weekend as they have a few receivers who could run that play successfully.


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West Virginia QB Jarrett Brown threw a long pass up the right side intended for Florida WR Riley Cooper, but Alabama CB Javier Arenas wasn't about to allow any such thing. He spotted the ball in stride and was so tight on Cooper that you would have sworn that his back was velcroed to Cooper's chest.


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USC running back Stafon Johnson strung together a pair of nice runs. He showed excellent vision while working his way through a small gap to his right. He followed that up with a very patient run during a right sweep, expertly pacing his cuts in tandem with the blocks being thrown in front of him.
amazing Stafon Johnson  
Figgy2989 : 1/28/2010 4:04 pm : link
is back on the field this quickly. Hopefully he will succeed at the next level. One of those stories where you would like to see it work out for him.
Good to see Stafon Johnson is apparently doing well  
David in LA : 1/28/2010 4:05 pm : link
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I wonder if anyone is working with Tebow on his release  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 4:08 pm : link
From the footage I've seen, it's still as it's always been, and I'm not sure that's going to fly at the next level.
Dubs  
Figgy2989 : 1/28/2010 4:11 pm : link
Baby steps...needs to learn how to take snaps under center first.
Dubs  
Russel in VA : 1/28/2010 4:58 pm : link
I've seen that footwork is their main emphasis with him right now, that things like reads and release will come after he gets used to moving in the pocket like a pro-style QB.
Perfectly valid  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 5:19 pm : link
But it's still an issue. I know how people feel about McShay here, but he is very, very down on Tebow's throwing motion right now.

McShay quotes via Stu Mandel:

"I've never seen a quarterback at a game like this with such an obvious delivery issue as this."

"He needs to either strip down and start over completely as a quarterback ... or he may need to play a different position."
Dubs  
GMen131 : 1/28/2010 5:24 pm : link
Granted he has a lot of work to do but I've also heard people say that he's been making progress this week. As for his delivery, that is not something you can expect a QB to change in a matter of a week. Also I've gotta say, I don't know if I've ever disliked a draft "guru" more than McShay. He is consistently wrong and often times waaaaaay off in his evaluation of prospects. It's gotten to tge point with him where I put zero stock into anything he says, including mock drafts.
I realize slow delivery is an issue...  
Russel in VA : 1/28/2010 5:25 pm : link
a big issue. But McShay is not in an NFL front office. All it takes is one GM to see Tebow as something more than a novelty, or to see him as a valuable novelty, and you've got a 2nd rounder. You start him out running some modified wildcat, maybe 5-10 plays a game, with a run, pitch or throw option, while you develop him as a pro-style QB. It's gimmicky and may be minimally useful, but for a team like the Jags it may still be worth 500 season tix, and when you're risking a blackout four or five games a season that's no small potatoes.
There's two different evaluations  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 5:27 pm : link
Where Tebow should go and where he will go. Someone will take him in the first round, but that doesn't mean that at this point, that's where he should be.
If you're asking if he is one of the 32 best players...  
Russel in VA : 1/28/2010 5:33 pm : link
at their respective positions in the draft I think the answer is no. But value isn't just measured in wins and losses. I think in football this gets overlooked, to the extent that it doesn't in basketball or even hockey. You're a marginal hockey franchise. You have a chance to take a sure-thing goalie who is going to make your team competitive for a decade. You also have the chance to take a home-grown offensive wizard who'll sport a -30 for a given season but make SportsCenter Top 10 twice a week. One gets you wins, the other gets you jersey and ticket sales. Who do you draft?
Right...  
Dubs : 1/28/2010 5:43 pm : link
Which is why the Jaguars take him to boost ticket sales.

The alternative is someone like Belichick, who takes him to, essentially, play around with. He'd be like a new toy.

I'm anxious to see what happens with Tebow. I'd almost be disappointed if he becomes just another QB. He could seriously change the game, if put with the right offensive mind.

Imagine if Brady and Tebow were in the backfield together on the 4th and 2 against the Colts this season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tebow  
Rich in L.A. : 1/28/2010 5:56 pm : link
ended up the next Todd Christiansen, or someone like that. He could probably be a motion TE/H-back and catch 70 balls a year if he wanted to go that way.

As a QB, I think he is seriously flawed. His inability to consistently throw a good spiral reminds me of Cade McNown, though he has a bigger arm than McNown ever did.
The big bust warnings  
PaulN : 1/28/2010 6:06 pm : link
Are out big time on Taylor Mays. The Giants need to stay away from this kid, we can not afford a bust this season.
The  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/28/2010 6:11 pm : link
DraftBreakdown.com writeup for the South practice is now up, it's on the same page as the North writeup (linked in the original post of this thread).
Here's an interview  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/28/2010 6:27 pm : link
With BBI's favorite prospect (I'm obviously not being serious).
Taylor Mays Interview - NFL Draft Bible - ( New Window )
wtf?  
chris r : 1/28/2010 9:16 pm : link
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Third down, would you hold a live tarantula in your hand?

No I’m straight, I’m not going to risk it. I need my hands for some interceptions.
That  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/28/2010 9:18 pm : link
Was definitely an odd/fluff question, as were the other 2 at the end but the beginning & middle sections had substance.
it begs a few questions  
chris r : 1/28/2010 9:22 pm : link
1) what do down and distance have to do with holding dangerous animals?

2) do gay people hold tarantulas?
chris r  
Will Allen/Peterson : 1/28/2010 9:28 pm : link
LOL, I'm certain that when Mays said...

"I'm straight"

He meant I'm straight = I'm good/no that's OK/I'll pass, etc.

It's an expression
Dubs  
BigBlueCane : 1/28/2010 9:36 pm : link
McShay used to be the coffee and donuts boy for TSN's War Room. That's where BSPN found him, ignore everything he says and you'll be better off for it.

Tebow is showing an important trait that most of his teammates need: he listens and works hard to improve.

That's enough for someone to take a late round flyer on him.
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Dubs : 1/28/2010 10:53 pm : link
Intangibles, impressive as Tebow's are, need to be coupled with something else. He needs to show serious improvement in a lot of phases before April.

15  
buckyd : 1/29/2010 1:47 am : link
is a good spot to drop down a few and pick up a pick.Unless there's someone that jumps off their charts.Wasn't Revis picked around 15-19?
I don't know  
santacruzom : 1/29/2010 2:32 am : link
I usually do like the idea of trading down, or at least acquiring more picks. But man, this is a deep draft and there should really be an awesome player for us at pick 15 IF the Giants are willing to not use the pick solely to fill a need. And who knows, the best player might coincide with a need anyway.
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