In '99, Warner threw 41 TD's against 13 INTs. Good for a +28 ratio..Collins never sniffed 28 TD's in a season, let alone a +28 TD-INT ratio. Collins was Warner ulta-lite..even that's not really a good description, because Collins was never close to as accurate as Warner.
on longevity, actually, and Gale Sayers is the name that usually comes up in that context.
Warner just never struck me as that impressive. horrible pocket presence, horrible ball control, horrible mobility, and benefitted from two offenses that allowed him to sit back in the shotgun and get rid of the ball quickly. that, to me, is not a hall of fame quarterback. he's just not well-rounded enough, not a "complete" player, for lack of a better term.
but I'm very iffy on him as a HOF'er. I think it I had to choose I'd say yes, but he's also had the benefit from playing in Domes and playing with amazing supporting casts.
But good luck with him post-retirement, he's an amazing story and seems like a solid person.
that another QB would have been that good in those offenses. Yes he had good teams, but the Rams didn't win after him and the Cards didn't win before him.
was more of a long-ball thrower. Do not see a good comparison there. I don't think Kerry could do what Warner could do. Joe Montana would have played well on that team.
with Chad Pennington once in which he describes the difference between a "thrower" and a "passer" being that a passer considers all three dimensions when delivering the football to his target.
By this definition, Warner is the best pure passer I've ever seen. He's made some throws that make ya wonder how he does it. If I could wish to throw the ball like anybody, it'd be like him.
Wonderful, wonderful quarterback.
What modern era HOF QB didn't have great receivers? Â
Saying other QBs could have done what he did is crazy, too. What sets him apart is his playoff career...it compares with anyone. He really should have 3 Super Bowl titles, and probably 3 Super Bowl MVPs then, if his defense didn't fail him twice in the fourth quarter. He has a 9-4 career playoff record, and his numbers have been amazing. He has the 3 highest passing days in Super Bowl history (that should get him in alone). He is an absolute, no-doubt, lock for the HOF, and probably gets in first ballot as he should.
From a pure production standpoint he has the three greatest SB performances of any QB in history.
In his two losses, he drove his team for the tie or the go ahead score on its last possession only to watch his defense lose the game. In the first loss he was responsible for two TDs scores in the 4th quarter to rally his team from a 11 point deficit.
His playoff numbers are 9-4 for 3952 yards 31 TDs 14 Ints 66.5% comp
Tom Brady in 5 more games is 14-4 4108 yards 28 TDs 15 Ints 62% comp
don't paint the entire picture. i know what i saw when he was on the Giants. what i saw was a QB who stunk when he didn't have his security blanket great receivers and comfy dome to play in. that's not a HOF QB to me. and i'm aware that most disagree. hence the debate.
No doudt only second man in NFL with 14K yards with two teams. ARZ was not much until he arrived and pushed them over the hump, and the two bowls he lost he could have easily won if a bounce had gone his way.
Kurt is a leader, a class act, arrived humble and left the same way.
If anyone watched the Cards-Packers game two weeks ago, and didn't see a HOFer playing QB for the Cardinals, then I don't know what to tell you.
For all of the crap that Warner gets for his days starting here, he took a pretty bad team in rebuilding mode, and got them to a 5-4 record. Our receivers had a lot of trouble getting open, and no QB is going to flourish if there receivers have trouble getting open.
One of the few guys who never trash talked, no matter how great he played on Sundays.
The guy will forever be remembered fondly by Rams fans.
What he did in Arizona is nearly as remarkable. Even though the Cardinals lost the Super Bowl, to see their lowly franchise up in the 4th quarter of a championship game against the stories Steelers must have been great. It would have been nice to see the fairy tale get a perfect ending, though.
Even for Giants fans, I can't imagine anyone thinking poorly of him despite his one forgettable year in New York.
Dunno if he's a sure-fire Hall of Famer or not, but I imagine he'll get there eventually.
Jake, we probably missed the playoffs that year because we benched him Â
Warner was holding onto the ball way too long at that point in the season. Going up against the Redskins, Ravens, and Steelers all in a row would have killed him. I don't think the team was going to make the playoffs even if he was behind center.
Plus, the 2004 Steelers game was one of the key pieces of Eli's development. If he doesn't play that game after his stinker in Baltimore, I'm not sure he turns into the same quarterback.
one would be more likely to give Warner a Nobel Peace Prize than a bronze in Canton. we get it, he's a great guy. that has very little, if anything, to do with who should be in Canton (see, e.g., OJ Simpson).
an idol mind, as hard as it is to believe, it would have only taken two victories more for us to make the playoffs that season. I actually do think Warner could have led us to two victories that we lost with Eli, although I'm glad we gave Eli the experience.
The Jake, people are talking about that stuff as a supplement, and because he is retiring today. People are mentioning his HOF playing resume as well, which makes him a lock HOFer.
Only pointing out that Warner "failed" in New York because the organization had no intention of starting him the whole year. He was clearly brought in to pass the baton to Eli.
When the competition was high and the pressure was on, he was awesome. If he played for teams with great (or even good) defenses, he'd be a three time champ and no one would even be debating this.
Warner was not a good QB in 2004. In 9 games he was sacked 39 times. In contrast, Eli was only sacked 13 times in the 7 games he played. Tiki carried us to that 5-4 record, in spite of Warner. The Giants weren't going anywhere that year.
Warner is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. I like what someone said above, I think it was bois, who said it is "Not the Hall of Statistical Qualification". Warner was a 2 time MVP and also a Super Bowl MVP. He was a pleasure to watch over the years. Great competitor, extremely tough, and pinpoint accuracy. He will be missed.
Tom Coughlin on Kurt Warner: ""“Kurt Warner was a tremendous example for our football team when he was here. He is a pro’s pro. He did an outstanding job with Eli when the two of them competed for the job and then after Eli took over as the starter. Even then Kurt continued to mentor and support Eli during his rookie season. Kurt was great for me and for this team. My hat and the hat of the entire NFL should be off to Kurt. The contribution that Kurt and Brenda and their family have made in every community they have been in has been tremendous.As outstanding a football player as Kurt is, ...he is a better person than he is a player."
top 3 in passing yards and it's him alone in the Super Bowl stats ,Warner, Warner, Warner. and second to Dan Marino in 300 yard games. 65+ completion in his career. Hard not to like.
I guess according to you Peyton is overrated considering he also plays in a dome, has always had fabulous receivers & so far has also won only 1 SB, which he didn't play half as well as Warner did in all 3 SBs he was in.
You're a class act for the most part. The whole wearing your religion on your sleeve thing comes across a little cloying but if thats the worst thing that comes to mind then I think you did a pretty good job and you were a damn good NFL QB. See ya in the HoF in a few years.
Warner just never struck me as that impressive. horrible pocket presence, horrible ball control, horrible mobility, and benefitted from two offenses that allowed him to sit back in the shotgun and get rid of the ball quickly. that, to me, is not a hall of fame quarterback. he's just not well-rounded enough, not a "complete" player, for lack of a better term.
But good luck with him post-retirement, he's an amazing story and seems like a solid person.
By this definition, Warner is the best pure passer I've ever seen. He's made some throws that make ya wonder how he does it. If I could wish to throw the ball like anybody, it'd be like him.
Wonderful, wonderful quarterback.
In his two losses, he drove his team for the tie or the go ahead score on its last possession only to watch his defense lose the game. In the first loss he was responsible for two TDs scores in the 4th quarter to rally his team from a 11 point deficit.
His playoff numbers are 9-4 for 3952 yards 31 TDs 14 Ints 66.5% comp
Tom Brady in 5 more games is 14-4 4108 yards 28 TDs 15 Ints 62% comp
Kurt is a leader, a class act, arrived humble and left the same way.
For all of the crap that Warner gets for his days starting here, he took a pretty bad team in rebuilding mode, and got them to a 5-4 record. Our receivers had a lot of trouble getting open, and no QB is going to flourish if there receivers have trouble getting open.
The guy will forever be remembered fondly by Rams fans.
What he did in Arizona is nearly as remarkable. Even though the Cardinals lost the Super Bowl, to see their lowly franchise up in the 4th quarter of a championship game against the stories Steelers must have been great. It would have been nice to see the fairy tale get a perfect ending, though.
Even for Giants fans, I can't imagine anyone thinking poorly of him despite his one forgettable year in New York.
Dunno if he's a sure-fire Hall of Famer or not, but I imagine he'll get there eventually.
I'm grateful for all the events culminating in Eli's emergence and the SB victory in 07 but he was not ready to play that year.
I have to admit, I laughed out loud. Now, he's one of my favorite players ever.
Total class act. A really good man. A generous spirit. A man of character and great faith.
Gets my HoF vote for sure.
Thanks Kurt. God bless you.
Plus, the 2004 Steelers game was one of the key pieces of Eli's development. If he doesn't play that game after his stinker in Baltimore, I'm not sure he turns into the same quarterback.
The Jake, people are talking about that stuff as a supplement, and because he is retiring today. People are mentioning his HOF playing resume as well, which makes him a lock HOFer.
Only pointing out that Warner "failed" in New York because the organization had no intention of starting him the whole year. He was clearly brought in to pass the baton to Eli.
Kurt Warner is one of the most accurate QB's ever 65.5% Technically he is # 1
2 League MVP's
Passer rating of 93.3% career, yes I know its overrated.
The guy was great should have and could have won three superbowls. Defense lost last year.
Wondering what a hall of fame QB is.
God gets inducted into HOF in 5 years imo.