Linked Football Outsiders article, basically confirms what we Giants fans all know. While Eli might not be the best overall QB, we want no one else when the game is on the line in the 4th Quarter. Football Outsiders Article. - ( New Window )
After Campbell, the players with the largest negative differentials are two superstars with reputations for big mistakes in big moments: Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre. McNabb (0.94, 39th) and Favre (0.93, 40th) both have ACE ratings that confirm their below-average performance in clutch situations. The peak of Favre's career (1995-97) is cut off by the 1998 start date for the our data, but with by far the most comeback opportunities (187) of anyone on the list, there are no issues with data credibility for Favre (his personal credibility is a separate debate).
pretty amazing. And as much credit as the 'big 3' from 2004 get (and deserve), now yet another budding superstar is in the mix in Schaub. Although granted the lucky SOB has the best or 2nd best WR in the league and a top receiving TE, as well.
saying is that Eli is a clutch but relative mediocre quarterback because he performs very well when the game is on the line (ACE), but when it's not only so-so (QBR).
That Eli is a relatively mediocre QB, except when the game is on the line. He certainly elevates his game in big situations, no secret to any Giants fan, but he's just as good (in my opinion he's better) than Romo, Rodgers, Rivers or Roethlisberger during the rest of the game as well. Qb Rating is a flawed stat.
with WRs that, because of their inexperience, are average compared to what Brees, Favre, McNabb and other peers are working with. Next year, he'll be even better as the passing game clicks even more.
Eli, for the first few years, was all over the place. Â
Mediocre is a fairly nice way of putting it, honestly.
FO has recognized the jump he took starting with the 2007 playoffs several times and that, while he's not an elite-elite QB, he's a good one now.
Those numbers in that article, however, for the sake of fairer analysis of all, include those years, not just the last two after the switch was hit. They're making a general statement on statistical bodies of work over a larger sample size.
this may be the best group of starting QBs ever. Better training, coaching, friendlier rules, offensive schemes or whatever. The Eli, Ben, Rivers draft year was unbelievably good. Three SB titles already and barely a missed play-off season.
Eventually, the entire NFL Season hangs on one Playoff game Â
That game very often swings on a just a few key plays and decisions, and it's often the QB that makes most of them.
That's why QBR, which is a useful tool when there is a lot of data like the regular season or an entire career to sort, doesn't always correlate to final success. QBR cannnot recognize the small group of key plays that win or lose one game, or the guy that makes them.
It's a proven fact in every profession that involves performance and decisions under stress that some people are better at handling it than others, and some are worse.
A small group is always *significantly* better than the average in every profession, and everybody knows who they are. It's cetainly not hard to tell in the NFL.
No shit Brett Favre is near the bottom and Eli is at top. No football fan can honestly be surprised to see that.
on that list that I don't understand... how does it figure that Tom Brady had one successful comeback attempts out of ten in 2009? Wouldn't that mean they lost at least 9 games?
It does not tell the board exactly what it wants to hear: namely, that in this group of 60 or so quarterbacks, Eli Manning is below average outside of the "clutch" moments in a football game.
The purpose of the Adjusted Comeback Efficiency (ACE) Rating is to provide a comprehensive figure for measuring a quarterback’s performance in potential game-winning or game-tying situations.
I think it means that, if a game in which the Giants fell behind by two scores and never narrowed it to one score before it was Too Late (say, 30 seconds left), it would not count as a comeback attempt.
It is a harsh line to draw, but it has to get drawn somewhere, I guess.
"Defense is why we won crowd." Before the playoff run that year there were several long run threads and one in particular where the majority was stating Eli was holding us back from advancing and the defense was pretty damn good. So, we go on a run and win it all and now its only because of the D. If it was truely because of the D, then it damn sure wasn't just him holding us back.
Greg, but according to Joe, those "aggressive" INTs are one of the things that makes him so great. He HATES QBs who have consistently shown up in crunch time in their careers, and LOVES the QB I can remember who has fucked up more big games in the clutch than anyone.
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Manning?
Number 40?
Is it still "absolutely insane" to say I would rather have Eli in the fourth quarter of a big game than Favre, Joe?
honestly, I don't care if Eli is in anyone's top 10 list, if he QBR is 150, if he is in the pro-bowl, I just care that he wins.
accolades and lists are nice to generate discussion, but they aren't important to me and I doubt they are to eli either.
WTF is wrong with you?
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FO has recognized the jump he took starting with the 2007 playoffs several times and that, while he's not an elite-elite QB, he's a good one now.
Those numbers in that article, however, for the sake of fairer analysis of all, include those years, not just the last two after the switch was hit. They're making a general statement on statistical bodies of work over a larger sample size.
Interesting how Romo is so much higher than McNabb.
That's why QBR, which is a useful tool when there is a lot of data like the regular season or an entire career to sort, doesn't always correlate to final success. QBR cannnot recognize the small group of key plays that win or lose one game, or the guy that makes them.
It's a proven fact in every profession that involves performance and decisions under stress that some people are better at handling it than others, and some are worse.
A small group is always *significantly* better than the average in every profession, and everybody knows who they are. It's cetainly not hard to tell in the NFL.
No shit Brett Favre is near the bottom and Eli is at top. No football fan can honestly be surprised to see that.
I think it means that, if a game in which the Giants fell behind by two scores and never narrowed it to one score before it was Too Late (say, 30 seconds left), it would not count as a comeback attempt.
It is a harsh line to draw, but it has to get drawn somewhere, I guess.
The thing that folks don't agree with Joe on is that Eli was just a game manager and that our offense really didn't contribute that much.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Our defense was spectacular, and Eli was fantastic at the points that he needed to be.