Go Terps

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"zero"

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this went the way he wanted it to at all

Jeremy Shockey catching the game winning TD pass had to take a piece of his innards. And then Peyton with the late pick, Peyton'ing the Colts in a big spot

Just about the last way he'd have drawn it up if he could

screen pass is going to make Terps lose any sleep.

and he caught the winning TD in a Super Bowl. Not a hard catch, but his name is tied to that forever in the Saints only Super Bowl win.

and I don't think it was that routine, it was however a huge play in the game and a big reason why they won, in the 4th quarter of a SB

And are you really saying that catch and run was something that just about any NFL skill position player could make?

Careful answering this one - anything short of 'yes, anyone could make it' will make you look more biased than Eli Fucking Manning.

any fucktard in the league makes it, why don't teams score 100% of the time then inside the 5?

Im not making it out to be David Tyree of his helmet to to try to diminish him catching the game winning TD in the SB is kind of silly. Then again you don't know what a screen pass is

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Clueless Joe has to resort to stupid retorts.

You, Stan and BEAST/Racist716 are really perfect for one another.

Why doesn't every team score then? Well, because every team doesn't get that call against that D, with Drew Brees throwing the ball with absolute precision. I'm just surprised Shockey managed to hold on to the ball.

You don't even know what a screen pass is and are calling me clueless

Bottom line is the guy caught the game winning TD pass in the SB. Sorry if it was too easy for your tastes

yes or no?

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obvious too

I'm sure B in ALB will be by so you can call him those words you reserve for your dupe handles.

been more productive earlier, perhaps the game wouldn't have come down to his catch.

The guy had a very unproductive SB.

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I love ya, but stay away from Walnuts territory. Caricature doesn't suit you...

Yes the guy is crazy. Yes he demmanded a trade. NO, it was not a good football move for the Giants. And neither was giving in to Shockey's demmands. It made the Giants look extremly weak. When was the last time Kevin Boss demmanded the attention of a defensive coordinator? When was the last time Boss commanded a double team? Shockey isn't the player he used ot be, but his PRESENCE on the field still makes defense coordinators take notice, and opens up oppurtunites for the WR's. Bottom line.

demanded the attention of the defensive coordinator?

There are many of us that proudly stand with you and who watched that crap in dull pain

but he's done. Good for him, he got a ring and helped his team do it, but he's a below average TE these days.

I think the Giants got rid of Shockey at the right time. Injuries took their toll on him, and he's not the physical player he used to be. Congrats on him catching the go-ahead TD and all, but I wasn't exactly looking at his play and wishing he was still on the Giants. He was a good player for the Giants, but the qualities that made him a top tight end are long gone these days.

TE -- the same sort of thing Boss probably is, except older, more expensive, more injury prone, douchebaggier, and with all of his potential long ago maxed out. If teams are focusing that much on game planning for him, especially with all of the other legit weapons the Saints have, they're idiots.

He's not worth hating or obsessing over, eightshamrocks. I'm sure a very small minority waste their time doing so, but you're just misinterpreting most people living in reality or, deservedly, hating on YOU.

Yeah, Shockey sure made an incredible play. What a singular talent!!!

I'm glad he won - maybe now, at long last, he can stop crying about the Giants.

The fact that the picks aren't looking great is a completely different issue.

had a nice dinner and a relaxing night at home. GoTerps slams his fist in anger.

Braylan Edwards did NOT drop a pass yesterday. DAMN YOU!!!!

He still hasn't figured out that Jeremy Shockey's colossal 3 TD season would have had no bearing on the Giants season because they got about the same exact production (+2 MORE TD's) from Kevin Boss. And keeps complaining about "Bowmar" as if he was supposed to make an impact this season as the 3rd string QB.

The guy played real well last night and earned his ring. I wouldn't begrudge him that at all. I was actually happy when he caught the TD.

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Jeremy Shockey catching the game winning TD pass had to take a piece of his innards. And then Peyton with the late pick, Peyton'ing the Colts in a big spot Just about the last way he'd have drawn it up if he could

You couldn't be more wrong. Unlike you, I'm actually a Giants fan, and I don't get worried one way or the other about what guys on other teams do. It's one thing to call it like you see it, and quite another to do what you do.

You've become a joke.

when you say you don't give a damn what other teams or players do outside of the Giants. I mean, you did pick a 1-15 Ram team to win their division this year. Thats not something you do if you watch much football involving other teams

or prove something?

But i do find it hilarious that the 2 guys youve done nothing but paint as losers and guys you can't win with a million times on this board have caught the game winning TD pass in 2 of the last 3 SB

Just chew on it and accept it

- what's wrong with saying that

is your grasping at things I've said in the past that are completely unrelated in the hopes of getting a rise out me. I'm not sure why.

You used to be a pretty good poster. Recently, for reasons unknown and unimportant to me, you've been awful.

There's nothing wrong with being wrong on something...though it's debatable at best whether I was wrong on Plax or Shockey. After all Plax is in a jail cell and Shockey forced his way out with bad feelings...

But even if I was wrong on either guy, at least I had the balls to call it the way I saw it. And I admit when I'm wrong...I was wrong on Strahan and Toomer, and the 2009 Rams, clearly.

But what I won't do is what you've been doing...sounding like a complete fucking moron because you won't admit to being wrong.

Chew on that, nuff said, or whatever stupid shit you've been adding to your posts.

Gates and Gonzoles since he has 2 rings.

Not sure what ive been wrong about here in recent weeks that i should cop to. There may have been some opinions you disagree with, but I really have no idea what you are talking about.

I did spend the last 2 weeks telling you and others that this game wasn't going to be the Colts romp you and many others expected, mainly because I know Peyton has choke in his blood and has done it at some point in every post season hes ever played in. You've underplayed it for years and last night he gave over 100 million viewers yet another example

you sure do sound like you are trying to prove you are better than Go Terps - keep it up and you may puff up and explode

Ive been going at it with Go Terps on Manning in big spots for years now. Years. This does not just come out of left field. Although I do not think i come even remotely close to the glee of Terps 2 weeks ago after Favres late pick where he stretched as far to say Favre threw the pass because hes a pussy who wanted to avoid contact

But to be honest im pretty damn pleased Peyton shat the bed in a big spot once again last night and tried to shit it several more

2 passes before his back breaking INT he threw another near INT to Malcolm Jenkins. It was just destined that the pick in that spot was coming sooner or later

So are we talking about the 2009 Rams, Plax & Shockey, or Brett Favre and Peyton Manning?

Is this your not so bright way of dancing around your belief that I don't know what I'm talking about? If that's your opinion, at least have the balls to say it. I've certainly said it enough about you recently.

We all have things we are right and wrong about. Im not going to be a dick such as yourself and start claiming you know nothing about football, because i know thats not true

instead you're going to cherry pick things and insinuate.

Women do that sort of shit. Either say it, or don't.

that Peyton shit the bed last night, but Favre didn't shit the bed two weeks ago.

I think all the Peyton backers should go with the many analysts who are blaming the pick on Wayne. Therefore he didn't shit the bed.

Meanwhile, two weeks ago, many analysts went out of their way to say how Favre made a bonehead decision, something a QB never should do at any point. Hell, even Aikman said it on the broadcast.

"shat the bed" when he threw for 330 yards, completed 65% of his passes, and only committed one turnover (and just 2 times in 3 postseason games) -- with the one turnover largely due to the WR slipping.

Just because Brees played a phenominal, lights out, epic game doesnt mean Manning sucked last night. He just got outplayed by a better QB that night.

By the way, where is the criticism of Reggie Wayne? The guy was a no-show the entire postseason. I guess i understand getting bitchslapped around the field by Darrell Revis... but the supposed best WR in football you'd think would at least step up in one playoff game this year wouldnt you think?

there's only one person here who has come off like a total dick the past couple weeks, and it ain't GT.

Have you not notice all the posts recently that have said something along the lines of, "I usually like/respect/etc... JoeMP, but he's simply being stubborn/is wrong/being a prick/etc...

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You need a break or a change in style Joe, I don't think anyone likes the JoeMP of the last couple weeks

As pleased as I was when Favre blew yet another huge game out of his ass?

Then what did Favre do?

one guy has already proven he can make it through a playoff run without shitting the bed at some point. The other guy never has. Ever. Not even in the year he won his ring and his team performed a couple of miracles to fight another day despite his horrid play in a couple of those games

The only ring he has was won largely in SPITE of him

It's Joe's thing to boil down one QB vs. the other. It's why he always brings up other QBs when people knock Favre.

But that's not fair in this case. I don't blame Wayne for the pick...it's Peyton's throw, Peyton's pick. It happens. The DB made a great, instinctive play based on what Peyton had done on previous blitzes.

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.... there is NO FUCKING CHANCE you wouldn't be blaming that pick on Reggie Wayne and you one THOUSAND percent cannot deny that. That is where the hypocrisy comes in and where you are being completely biased.

You've already admitted you root against Peyton and we all know you root for Favre so it's no surprise that you make all the excuses in the world for the one who's fault it was beyond a shadow of a doubt and claim that the other one simply "shit the bed".

you can be one of the best contributors on this site and that's usually what you were.

He's not the best WR in football, that would be Andre Johnson (or Fitzgerald, it's really 1 and 1A with those two).

But I consider him to be an elite performer at the position and admittedly he had a subpar postseason by his standards. In fairness, he was banged up towards the end of the season with a lower extremity injury and his production tailed off as a result. He had a fine game against Baltimore in the divisional round but was neutralized by Revis 2 weeks ago and had an awful game last night. I wonder if the knee injury he sustained in Friday's practice had an effect on him because that was not the receiver I've seen over the years.

Wayne may have slipped whatever, I don't know

But that pass falls on peyton. No ifs about it.

In 2006/7 when he threw for 350 and his team scored 38 points.. Ok.

and the bottom line is they both only have 1 ring, and Favre has shit the bed for the last 13 years.

Manning also lead the Colts back in the AFC Championship game against the great Patriots, even if he did have a large part in why they were done so much.

You are the one that makes it about Favre vs. Peyton, because when Favre fucks up, it's always well Peyton does it every year.

You refuse to admit, still, that Favre shat the bed two weeks ago. You say well watch playbook, Sterling Sharpe said it wasn't his fault, blah blah blah blah blah.

I have no issue with bashing Peyton for last night...but to not blast Favre the last two weeks for what was a much, much worse play than Peyton last night is just bizarre. Fine, Peyton has never had Favre's 1996 playoffs...he still has a few years to do it. Favre only had one season like that in 18 years....So Peyton has six years to have one playoff season like that.

the last pick? The Colts were in the game but they blew multiple opportunities on the coaching side.

- Playing safe before halftime
- Dropped a few clutch passes from Peyton
- Attempting a long FG for a kicker at that age
- The Onside kick that had nothing to do w/ Peyton
- The Colts coaching staff took away the momentum from their own players.

Playing clutch doesn't happen in just the 4th qtr.

Joe, your hate for Peyton is unhealthy.

Quite frankly i don't care how others view me here and never have. I think thats quite apparent over the last few weeks. I offer my opinions you can take them or leave them
, may be right, may be wrong.

And for all the people who want to call me a hypocrite about Favre etc, these same exact people won't hold Peyton to the fire 1/10 as much as they did Favre, and thats because Peyton is loved here

if we're going to compare Peyton and Favre's recent big game picks, is that Manning did the normal and probably correct thing against the blitz he was facing...tried to hit the hot route. If Wayne slipped or missed a read or whatever I can't say...but the decision to me appeared sound.

Conversely, what Favre did in New Orleans goes beyond the explicable. There is no rationalizing what he did at any level.

Both are bad plays, and in different ways both are reflective of each player's shortcomings. Peyton gets tight in a big spot, Favre could give a fuck about the play that's called.

Is that one actually COULD make excuses for Peyton last night... except most people are simply choosing not to and just say that that's a play he needed to make (or throw somewhere else). Even the biggest fans of Peyton aren't sickly obsessed to the point where it causes them to be absurdly irrational.

Joe, I thought Peyton choked last night...and he has shown that he is not a big-time playoff performer. That has nothing to do with Favre though, and the fact that you can't be objective about Favre is the problem. Favre has been a much, much bigger choker in the playoffs than Peyton and it is not a debate. They have both been bad playoff quarterbacks in their career.

Eli Manning would have pulled off the NFC title game that Favre blew two weeks ago...and he would have come up big in the Super Bowl last night that Peyton blew in the end. Love it.

Peyton played an OK game by and large, not great by any stretch especially by his standards, not poor either

He was however trying to give this game away as much as he possibly could when it was on the line. On the same drive he threw his back breaking pick, 2 throws earlier, he nearly threw another pick to Malcolm Jenkins. Then on the next drive he throws another near pick in the endzone on an awful throw where his WR had to commit offensive PI and barely stopped Greer from getting one of his feet in

He totally shat the bed once this game got to 17-16.

you know why people don't like Favre and you refuse to acknowledge it. I mentioned it last night and you had nothing to say about it.

If Peyton pulls Favre's shit 5 years from now a couple off-seasons in a row, people will turn on him quickly.

Are you that hard headed to realize it?

That's not true at all. I think the majority of the people here ARE holding Peyton accountable even when it IS plausible to actually make excuses for him given the situation. With Favre, there was no doubt in the world that he choked and that he fucked up and you resisted it to an insane degree and simply refused to admit that he, in your words, "shit the bed".

realize it*

the idea that Favre has been a much much bigger choker than Peyton in the playoffs is so far removed from reality it is laughable

He is still looking for his first post season where he did not completely choke at some point. His offenses are averaging 13 ppg in his 9 playoff ousters, the dominant offense of the decade. He didn't even win a playoff game until his 6th year, he has an NFL record 6 one-and-dones and an NFL record 3 one-and-dones following bye weeks

was even a little bit close to Jenkins - it was barely a breath on his fingertips at full extension and trying to make a great play

nah, he didn't shit the bed. Only Peyton does that. Nevermind Favre's play in big spots for over a decade now.

The way he talks about Favre, you would be convinced he has won 2-3 titles minimum and the NFC title game was the first game he ever threw a killer INT

You've been a flaming asshole in the last few weeks. You've picked fights with posters, killed good conversations because of your grudges, and said monumentally stupid things. You've gone from being a very good poster to a borderline troll.

As to your whole, "People won't bitch out Peyton like they did Favre," that's because 1) Peyton made a poor throw but didn't do something monumentally stupid like Favre did, and 2) There's no one assholic enough to drag the fight out for 800 posts like you did with Favre. Look around and there are plenty of people giving Peyton blame.

And as to the whole premise that Peyton can't go through a whole postseason run without screwing up but Favre can, Favre didn't exactly light the world on fire in the run up to Super Bowl XXXI. In fact, by your logic, his defense carried him for most of that run.

You can play high and mighty all you want and cherry pick stats until the cows come home, but that's not changing the fact that you've become petty and trollish lately. I have no idea why you've decided to be such a dick lately, but you have.

...and bounced right off after the Greer play that probably should have been a TD.. but you conveniently leave that out.

I feel the same way about how people perceive me to be on here. I don't care.

HOWEVER

The way you've gone about posting recently is simply not conducive to good discussion. Rather, the combative approach you've taken has done nothing but cause personal attacks and angst between you and whoever you've been arguing with.

The confrontational approach has turned all these discussions into mudslinging fest. While sometimes it's been entertaining, I prefer to see someone like you posting without all the other crap.

You probably won't care either way but I felt compelled to put it out there

thread and others Joe, you'll see that most are putting the pick on Manning. There are some saying that Wayne slipped, but for the most part, everyone knows that he "got tight" as he usually does and made a bad throw.

He isn't up on some pedestal where everyone around here won't say anything bad about him. I think you're imagining that....

I'm just glad that, although it wasn't a great throw, and essensially it locked up the game for the Saints, it wasn't an aggressive decision.

Quarterbacks should never make aggressive decisions, it makes them look really stupid.

Joe, that was Peyton's first "choke"...he has had some bad games, but not Favre-like back breaking picks. They both have one ring when they should have more, and they are both sub-par playoff quarterbacks for varying reasons: Peyton gets tight in big games...Favre has terrible judgment and blows games in big spots.

thanks idol

not mentioning on the Colts side? Drew Brees deserved to win that game, but to say "Peyton sh1t the game" is just pure hatred. You think a QB INT has everything to do w/ the QB?

Peyton had missed oppurtunities last night, but if this was the Giants playing, we'd all be blaming the coaching staff...and we'd have a good reason to do so.

Running 3 straight times and playing it safe w/ your soon to be $20 million+/ year QB? Caldwall sh1t the bed more than Peyton did.

That was Peyton's first choke? LMAO

Guy got shut out in a playoff game, held to a FG a couple of other times, has failed to score 20 points in 8 of his 9 playoff losses and in the one they did they had the ball on the 5 with 4 cracks to get into the endzone for the win and failed

And last night was his first choke.

LMAO

It's baffling. All Favre had to do was NOT fuck up and his team is probably in the Super Bowl and he completely choked and threw the backbreaking INT that everyone in the world was waiting for all year.. Peyton is trying to lead his team from behind with less than 5 to play and throws a killer INT.. and yet, only Peyton is the one who "shit the bed" while everything about Favre's play (the situation, the throw itself, the poor decision) were absolutely worse.

First choke at the end of the game with the game on the line....he does have plenty of chokes throughout playoff games, true. Favre has plenty of those as well, but most of Favre's chokes have been in the worse, idiotic fashion like two weeks ago.

Favre = aggressive decisionmaker

for his post season career, and then not bash Peyton even moreso for his career which is far more underwhelming than Favre in big spots including his record setting number of one and dones and high total of complete no shows, then you just are not objective at all

I'm sorry, Joe... but you do not deserve the right to say that other people are not being objective. You just don't. Not after the Favre BS.

came against a New England team at the peak of their dynasty.

The whole argument focuses on the trees and misses the forest.

Joe degenerates a thread to Peyton vs. Favre. Bravo.

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If you are going to bash Favre JoeMP2003 : 3:08 pm for his post season career, and then not bash Peyton even moreso for his career which is far more underwhelming than Favre in big spots including his record setting number of one and dones and high total of complete no shows, then you just are not objective at all

A lot of folks around here, even the majority, recognize that BOTH of them have had miserable postseason games. But for some reason you seem incapable of realizing that not everything has to be some silly competition.

fine

That doesn't change that Peytons playoff career has been nothing short of highly underwhelming and yesterday was example 1000 in a big spot

He still doesn't have a good playoff run under his belt, hes shit the bed at some point during all of them, hes set records for one and dones and the offensive futility of his team in big games for being the greatest offense of the decade is a joke

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doesn't mean Manning choked. That's stupid and shows zero understanding of football.

Downgrade Peyton to prove Bret Favre is not a choker.

Downgrade Steve Smith to prove Nicks will be a better WR.

Downgrade Aaron Ross to prove T. Thomas will take his spot.

Downgrade Webster to prove your stats on T. Thomas. You always jump to conclusions after one bad '09 by the Giants.

Hell, I remember your "What the hell has Aaron Rodgers done in the NFL..." post after Favre left.

I actually agree w/ you when you defend T.O, McNabb, Romo, etc. because you discuss their positives and not critique another player on another team or on the same team.

you mean playoff losses where his defense showed up against Brady's pats and Peyton just shat the bed and swept the rug out from under them?

Losing 20-3, losing 24-14 with 4 picks?

How about the rcord of 6 one and dones, none of which were against the Pats

How about when he got shut out by the great Jet team led by Herm Edwards, or when he lost to Jay Fiedler, or how the chargers are the only team the colts seem to be able to beat in a big spot.

I would say Favre and Peyton have been equally underwhelming...both full of tons of disappointment. Favre has had numerous horrible plays to lose games like two weeks ago (I assume you acknowledge this by now, right?), and a few total clunkers as well...and Peyton has had a ton of total clunkers, with now Favre-like moment sprinkled in (although it wasn't a bad decision a la Favre). They both have just one ring...they should each have more, but have each been bad playoff QBs.

with colts and chargers

I mean, I'll grant you Peyton has been a playoff choker, certainly...but if you don't think Favre has been consistently a huge playoff choker too, then you're just plain wrong.

How about 2 years ago vs SD, ball on the 5 yard line, first and goal, he has 4 throws to get it in for the win and FAILED all 4

Is that not a choke? Or only when you throw a pick?

And his total number of complete no shows greatly outweigh Favre. Hes had numerous games where his team never had a chance

that's a pretty good summation of Joe in 2009-2010

it's dead on

Hey, at least it didn't become Favre vs. Elway II

over and over and over again. you're not convincing Joe otherwise...

But the problem here is that there really aren't many people disagreeing with Peyton's shortcomings. You've basically created your own straw man for that one. You know I am a huge Peyton Manning fan and I have no problem admitting that he made a bad throw last night and cost his team when they needed him to come through the most. He has not been overly impressive in the playoffs given the unbelievable level he plays at in just about every single regular season of his entire career.. but he's a damn good QB.

There is no contention on my end that Peyton screwed up. But when this was about Favre, you couldn't do that. You couldn't just admit that he fucked up and he choked and he cost his team just like a lot of people expected him to. And that's my issue. You don't like Peyton and thus, it's extremely easy for you to claim he "shit the bed"... but with Favre, you would do anything BUT.

could possibly find in Brett Favre to make them want to defend him this much. I doubt his mom would even go to these lengths.

I mean, you can blame that pointless game all day...Favre has a six-INT game, a horrible performance against Atlanta, a despicable performance against an 8-8 Vikings team, etc. They both have terrible playoff resumes. Favre is only 13-11 in the playoffs, which is bad, and Peyton is also bad at 9-9.

It's apples and oranges - Peyton doesn't make enough aggressive decisions.

Joe, tha's true, forgot about that game.

I imagine Deanna to Brett that night...

"Uh, babe, What the FUCK were you thinking there? Or were you not thinking? Seriously?"

Wait, he still doesn't really believe that week was an "aggresive decision", right? He acknowledges now how Favre lost that game, I hope? Or is he still being a fucktard about that?

the defense didn't carry the offense against Dallas in the 2007 playoff game...

is back on the juice the past few weeks??

I'm unaware of his allowing any blame whatsoever to fall on Favre. If I'm wrong on that, I apologize in advance.

You always bring up broncos and circumventing the cap as a reason they won the SB..

Can't the same be said bout spygate and maybe why Pats used to beat peyton with consistency during dynasty in playoffs

And mostly everyone is admitting peyton fucked up last night..u r the one who wasn't rational with favre 2 wks ago

those dont strike me as "terrible" playoff resumes.

They strike me as pretty ordinary (mediocre) though.

MAB, I'd say they are both quite bad...maybe disappointing and underwhelming is a better term. Favre has cost so many teams so many big games, as has Peyton Manning. I think mediocre is being kind to both of them.

When Favre fucks up, it's either 1) an aggressive decision or 2) someone else's fault. When Peyton fucks up, he "shits the bed" Apparently, in a game where he made one bad throw and had a rating of 88, that's shitting the bed these days.

Nevermind that Peyton made a bad throw (but read the route correctly), whereas Favre made a monumentally bad DECISION two week ago.

Who knew

Haven't read any posts on this thread other than the first few that hit my eye, but I just wanted to tell you good call on the Saints..You were one of the few who felt it would be close and/or might even end up in a Saints win..I not only thought the Colts would win, I thought they'd win really big..Good job!