has always led by a lot when you take into account the fact that Bowden won 31 of those games for Howard, a team that wasn't even D1 at the time. JoePa reigns supreme... although I hope the man retires soon.

JoePa should coach till he dies. Love the JoePa

no sanctions against Ohio Taint University even after Clarett.

No sanctions against USC despite the roids and ripping.

No sanctions against UF despite the 50th arrest incident.

And not one single finger raised against Joe Pa despite the fairly racist and extremely nasty atmosphere that clouds State Penn University.

USC should go on probation because of steroids? You have evidence of more steroid use at USC then at your beloved Miami? If you don't think MOST if not ALL athletes in sports today aren't using something your head is in the sand.
BTW,FSU was guilty of academic fraud. There were 61 athletes who were getting false grades and all the university received for sanctions were some vacated wins.To me,that is not even a slap on the wrist.Florida had ALOT of players arrested and you want sanctions for this?

let me be the first to say that it is absolutely fair and right for these wins to be taken away. The people in the athletics program who perpetuated the fraud disgraced the university and its mission and I was very ticked off when I found out the extent of this scandal.

However, let me also be the first to officially say "bite me" for the "Free Shoes University" comment. Unless you went to a Ivy League school, I don't want to hear jack about my alma mater, a fine academic institution with some folks in the athletics program who made some very bad decisions.

And I will tell you now the kids I know who go to FSU are sub-par, if not retarded. University of CENTRAL Florida is a better school right now. University of CENTRAL Florida. Just saying...

Roids are the least of things going wrong with USC and you just hired the ultimate snake oil salesman that will get his rear kicked on an annual basis by teams he should beat.

Sorry if that offends your delicate senses.

Did FSU deserve to get punished? Yes. But so does USC and the other schools mentioned. Accept it and suck it up throught a straw.

btw, Miami if they are cheating, are doing a lousy job of it. Watch them struggle to go .500 this year.

Is a tier 3 commuter university and will always remain that way. Get your facts straight....

the kids from my highschool who went to FSU were straight up morons. Seriously, they were approaching WVU level, which is saying something since going to our local community college is probably a smarter decision than going to WVU.

Any prospects coming out for a supplemental draft cause of this?

when fans of any Florida school attack another Florida school or anybody else for that matter. Pure hypocrisy.........

My brother raised children and put them in private school so they would eventually learn something. Florida is not the academic center of the south, never mind the universe.

And before you start in on me, I have never attended school in WV, college or otherwise.

Not sure where you are getting your education, Sonic, but it is evident you are not getting your money's worth.

it should read.

But they held a very good gpa and had good sat/act scores...

So steroids are the least of what is going on wrong at USC? Please enlighten me to tell me what else do you have besides your dislike for Lane Kiffin who will be extremely successful at USC despite what you think. USC will get slapped on the wrists for the Bush situation just like FSU has. They will vacate some wins and move on. BTW,I heard the same crap when Pete Carroll was hired.

One day you'll grow up.

act like they are all going to Tier I colleges and schools.

So what where people go to school, be it UCF, WVU, FSU, etc. Isn't a college education a college education, unless you go to the elite of the elite? Why denigrate someone for where they went to school, and laud them for going to school and getting a diploma?

Grow up.

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And nothing else matters ever.

Bitches.
(Rutgers, 66th nationally and Tier 1).

You should rightly be proud of a degree from that school.

My post was pure sarcasm: slavery to the US News Rankings system is asinine in so many ways.

my doctorate in music was from the 12th ranked music program in the nation, at least according to US News/World Report. Neener, neener!

Just kidding, but seriously, some folks need to wake up and realize that there are approximately 60 "Research 1" Universities in this country and that all of them offer very fine degrees.

comment sounded terrible! As someone who teaches at a liberal arts school, I should be rightly ashamed of that comment because it really doesn't reflect what I meant to say. I firmly believe that any college degree is a good one and I'm sticking to my story!!

To the guy bashing UCF, check the link below.

It specifically cites Florida in the article as an example of the maturation and increasing selectivity of public schools. UF is getting too selective, because the # of applicants keeps swelling, that UCF will, in a couple decades time, occupy the spot now in the Floridian academic totem pole that UF does.

At some point, a school will then replace UCF.
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UCF in 30 years will be what UF was in 2000, and UF will be a good deal higher than it was in 2000.

That is the point.

The schools are getting more "prestigious", slowly but surely.

Unless you are going to Harvard, Yale, Cornell or the like, a college education is a college education.

I go to SUNY Binghamton...by most accounts a pretty good school. At the end of the day the difference between a diploma from Binghamton, UF, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers etc, etc is barely even noteworthy.

Every school has their issues (for instance, my school seems to have a propensity for recruiting criminals and lowlifes for the basketball team), so there is no need to pigeon-hole an entire institution from the actions of a few unethical d-bags

But on the Florida note in particular, I've read a few articles about the efforts undertaken by Bernie Machen to increase the university's standing and attract the state's top students and entice them into not leaving.

Overall, I follow BBB's line of thought. With the state of education in this country, if you go to college, good on you.

Speaking of FSU, I spent about half an hour today reading up on Callahan Bright, who just wrapped up a successful freshman year at Shaw University. He did some jail stints and worked as a trash collector before enrolling. He's draft eligible but will stay and continue to try and clean his life up. He's apparently still got all of the tools that made him such a hot commodity. If he can come full circle, that would be a hell of a comeback story.

You picked up diction like that down on the farm?

doesn't work in the subject field.

I just try to get by.

(I'm completely serious about English, btw, as long as this is a somewhat academic thread. I don't know how it is at other schools, but I envy English majors as little as I envy the engineers.)

There are really smart people at every school, and you can get a great education at any one of about 100 schools in this country (possibly more.) I went to one of the "elite" schools where people ooh and ahh when I tell them where I went, but there were plenty of dumbf***s and general f***ups there.

An education is what you make of it, and people should be judged on how competent/intelligent they actually are, not where they went to undergrad (which is influenced by factors such as wealth, parental prestige, and one's performance on a standardized test at age 16.)

who thought Stephon Marbury reading this title?

None of which excuses FSU. The scale of the cheating scandal spanned the entire athletic department. It wasn't a rogue coach, agent or TA. It was institution wide. It was virtually all sports at FSU.

Given the size and depth of these transgressions, the vacated wins seem to be a slap on the wrist, almost a non-penalty.

Bryce Brown ring a bell? Reggie Bush? OJ Mayo?

You're a bigger homer and fool if you think Kiffin has anything more in common with Carrol then both being USC head coach. Why do you think Henderson is antsy?

Old Timer, the NCAA much like the current WH admin, is corrupt, inept and run by idiots. FSU did cheat and deserved to be punished but you sitting there gloating in your best Mark May impression is revealing your own ignorance of the depth of the situation in College sports.

You don't know crap what goes on at USC so don't make believe that you do. You can hate all you want.You just root for your Canes because they bring in very high character type players.LOL.

I know more then you do about what goes on with recruiting, I know specifically what kind of jackass Kiffin was and is.

What this really means is that no school, even one that regards itself as 'clean' will ever self-report again. It's just not worth it and they will take the dare that the NCAA isn't going to investigate them.

You know more about what goes on with inside USC's recruiting then I do? You're delusional.Just go root for your Canes. Maybe they'll be good again sometime soon.