Cam Newton & Terrell Pryor

lack between the ears and therefore, I don't sense that either of them will be any good in the nfl.

Haven't seen enough of Newton to comment.

is a very gifted athlete but does not have the intelligence to be a QB in the NFL. His best bet would be to switch positions to take advantage of his athleticism.

I think someone will see Pryor as a WR especially if he can jump, because he'll have freakishly fast speed for someone 6'6", and could be virtually impossible to defend being that tall. I don't know about Newton. He's built like a TE, but I have a difficult time believing someone on the NFL level will draft him for that position seeing that it's pretty likely he has no idea how to block.

whereas I think we can all see the Pryor is a Vincent Jax or Brandon Marshall potential WR

We've watched all the games and I think Cam is very athletic and he's a load to take down. The guy looks like a man playing boys.
That said, his throwing mechanics are not very solid but he manages to make plays downfield. He's constantly throwing on his heels and falling backwards, almost like taking a jumpshot. It's fun to watch him break one and stride for a big gain because it looks so effortless, like going for a stroll. It just that if he keeps it up, he'll get creamed and they'll have to deal with Cody Burns at QB, which is not good.

He plays the NCAA game well and he can put up Heisman numbers but his skills might not translate to the NFL where instead of playing undisciplined players fresh out of high school week in and week out, he'll be facing what amounts to a team filled with bigger, stronger, faster All-Americans every week. Guys like Vick and to some extent McNabb and Cunningham all were able to make plays using their running skills but they got killed doing so and really hurt their teams. They all matured into good pocket passers and in turn, better NFL QBs. Right now, the kid does not posses the mechanics for NFL success from what I've seen. If he stays healthy, he should win it because their team would be pedestrian without him.

... Gave up on basketball.

neither runs a pro-style offense.

anyone that watched OSU last weekend...i mean Pryor had an eternity in the pocket every time he dropped back. without seeing an entire panorama of the field, you have to assume his WRs are covered (or can't get separation).

on the one hand you give him some credit for not forcing passes, but on the other how can you evaluate a QB who has no one to throw to against teams with a good defense.

State Championship game his senior year of high school, he was destroying a team from my area in PA and they had the ball at like the 45 with a few seconds left before half.

They put Pryor out at receiver and just threw a hail mary to him, he caught it pretty easily

modern day Randall Cunningham, except a lot bigger. I don't think I've ever seen anyone as big as he is, just elude 2 players that were right in front of him, and to top it off, run over a third defender. He's been pretty sensational.

and he has absolutely no future as an NFL QB. He is a gifted athlete but he makes very poor decisions and is not a natural passer. He has the size and athleticism to play WR in the NFL, but so does Ramses Barden. I've never seen him play receiver, but to assume he could be good at it simply because he is tall and fast is a little naive. What makes anyone think the guy can run routes and catch the ball naturally?

Newton is a better athlete, but it is impossible to tell how his game would translate to the NFL since the offense he runs is so different than anything he would be asked to do in the NFL. Maybe the Broncos need another QB who needs to learn how to play QB?

sometimes. I think people expect perfection out of the guy, and when he doesn't deliver, it translates to how awful he is. IMO, if he plays another year of college ball, he'd help himself a great deal in setting himself up for the pro game.

Pryor is a good, but not great, college QB. Nobody expects perfection from the guy, but if you watch him play he is only a game changer with his legs, not his arm. I just don't see an NFL team spending anymore than a very late round flyer on the guy.

For what it is worth I think Troy Smith was a much better QB than Pryor.

to a Rose Bowl victory over Oregon last year as a sophomore.

....forget about it with Pryor. He's a very gifted athlete but he'll never ever make it as an NFL QB. Maybe they can do something with him like the Chiefs are doing with McCluster offensively.. using him as sort of a WR/RB hybrid. Who knows.

Their running game and defense got them to the rose bowl. He played well in that game, but if you put him on an average team they don't get significantly better. He needs that team much more than they need him.

to be an NFL QB - not a real strong arm, and very inaccurate. For the record, I said the same thing about Vince Young, so what do I know?!

I like what I've seen of Cam Newton. Good arm, good accuracy. His footwork needs work, and he has a tendency to run too soon, both flaws that are easily correctible.

Is Steve McNair reincarnated.

bullshit. You put him on another team, and he doesn't make them significantly better? He needs them more than they need him? Obviously, I strongly disagree with that.

Agree to disagree. But just curious - what other games has he played against a good team where you watched him and thought, wow - this kid is really good? Aside from the Rose Bowl last year I can not name one.

It's just that it has a ton of misdirection and end arounds in the run game. This year it also has a ton of QB runs. But the passing game is more of a typical passing game, run from the shotgun. It's not a run and shoot or pass 1st spread offense.

Cam throws the ball much better than people want to admit. Because he's such a damn good runner, it's very easy to just say that's all he is and sound like you know what you're talking about.

He'll be drafted as a QB in the NFL, but he'll have to learn to run an offense from under center, and learn to read NFL defenses. Very typical problems for college QB's these days. He's got strong arm and throws a nice catchable ball. If taken high, he'll have to tame the running some to make sure he stays healthy.

He's Vince Young like in the way he doesn't look like he's moving fast but you can't catch him. He's Air McNair like in that he'll run over your LBs. He's Roethlisberger like in that he's huge and can make nice throws on the move. But he's got a ton to learn to be an NFL QB.