JerseyJoe on Fewell -- The Evolution

disliking this guy.

funny to read.

fine work, but talk about shooting fish in a barrel

it's dead, and I'm bored, so I went for it

That's some good research work. But why did you go through all that work? JeseryJoe is kind of a douche though.

members would

do a google search of "JerseyJoe Perry Fewell" and you land in a goldmine of awful

thank you for putting in the time..and I might add there are plenty of other quality BBI posters who fit same mold..

that was too easy

Every time I read his comments about the offense (like in that last quote), I have to keep second guessing my own current stance on wanting a change.

"finally force our overly loyal organization to finally bring in a coaching staff that will fully utilize our talent."

Because our coaching staff doesn't take advantage of the talent.

This is super creepy.

lol

...along with the rest of the staff. I think his schemes against great passing teams are the worse I've ever seen. The Colts and Packers and Eagles destroyed our defense. Imagine what Brees could do against us? If he hasn't figured out how to stop a higher octane passing offense by now...when the hell will he?

but many around here had high hopes for the defense, with both the return of injured players and the replacement of Sheridan.

I can say I'm very disappointed and the stats will lie. The Giants right now have the 6th ranked defense (in ypg) although, more importantly 17th in scoring (which is really the only defensive stat that counts). That is a big improvement in scoring from 30th, but most of us expected more.

anyway, I know that wasn't the intent of your thread, but thought it was as good a place as any to mention it.

And for the record, I was not bullish on fewell. he did not have a great track record as a DC IMO (don't bother looking that up), but I was hopeful.

What FEK said

in all that he says, and at the same time believes no one will remember when he was incorrect, which is probably 95% of the time when the topic is demonstrated football knowledge.

The inability to simply admit he's wrong astounds.

for JerseyJoe (or anyone else that I can think of for that matter). IMO, there's too much hate and negativity on BBI towards fellow Giant fans.

there would be no hate if a bunch of shitheads who claim to be fans didn't take the opportunity to shit all over the team at every chance they get.


Some fuckheads revel in the giants losing, there are several people on record here already hoping we lose next week just so they get their wish for coughlin to be fired. Frankly it's pathetic.

. And should be deleted.

but I also think we can do that with a lot of people here. jlukes, find someone who has been praising Coughlin in the past and now is calling for his head. I am sure that will not be too difficult.

More pathetic than this thread?

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this D also is gonna be sick under Fewell

They've played the last 5 qtrs like they have a bad case of diarrhea.

pretty clear to see where lukes was going with this, I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time doing the clipping but jerseyfucknut sure does deserve a nice callout after thumping his chest all year.

You can add site:bigblueinteractive.com to a google query to limit the results ;)

http://www.google.com/search?&q=site:bigblueinteractive.com%20jersey%20joe%20perry%20fewell - ( New Window )

You're really creepy.

there are so many posters who completely disappear when the Giants are playing well, only rear their ugly heads so that they can shit all over the team and claim they knew that the Giants would suck.

It's like they enjoy the losses more than the wins.

they do

I posited the thought earlier in the year during the 1-2 start but as the year went on, and after the results from the first eagle game and now the last 2 games?

Yea, I believe it to be 100% true.

Fuck em

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http://www.google.com/search?&q=site:bigblueinteractive.com%20stealingsociety - ( New Window )

I'm not a big fan of call-out threads, but rarely have I seen a person who knew so little, be so sure of himself. Days after having no clue who Perry Fewell was, JerseyJoke was convincedd he was the best DC since Bill Belichick.

At least we're not talking about passing trees! I don't know if BBI has enough virtual real estate to cover all of Joke's musings on the subject.

:)

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This is a football thread. I couldn't care less about his personal life

I know they're here (didn't know JJ was one of them). I guess I just ignore them. When I start reading an overly negative or irrational post, I usually just move on to the next. And I usually stay away from game threads..

Love you. Love the Dave.

And Cam ... I WILL KILLZ YOU!

It is customary and actually recommended that you ignore posts originated from a person with "z" in their handle.

Unlike Wrong-Way Sheridan when we were a weekly sieve...

My feelings exactly. And followed by a post that illustrates the point

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glad I'm not the only one.

You may well be one of the biggest jerks that I've ever seen posting on this website - and I've been posting here for a long, long time.

I have yet to see any poster who could be classified as being "a Giants fan" "take the opportunity to shit all over the team at every chance they get." In fact, I think that it is far more accurate to claim that over the last two weeks, the NFL Football Giants clearly "shit all over their fans" rather than their fans having "shit all over" the New York Football Giants.

In this instance, it is very clear that Perry Fewell was simply not prepared for the obvious game plan that the Packers implemented on offense, namely, quick passing to negate the pass rush, and targeting the middle on slants to take advantage of the absence of any professional grade linebackers being on the field for the Giants. While it could be that there is little that the Giants could have done about the absence of professional grade linebackers on the field, they could, nevertheless, have rushed four, tried to defend the pass with seven, and forced Rodgers to use his feet (essentially what the gameplan was against the Eagles. Rodgers is mobile, but he ain't no Vick.

On the offensive side of the ball, again, there was little to no preparation for the extremely obvious defensive game plan that the Packers came out with: stop the run and target the weak link in the o-line (O'Hara) as a means for doing so, thereby forcing Eli to win the game through the air against the strength of the Packers defense.

Both sides of the ball failed to adjust for the Giants, which has been a registered trademark of Coughlin's NY Giants teams since the day that he got here. Coughlin has now watched for eight consecutive quarters while the middle of his o-line got blown up by the Eagles and the Packers, and never moved to adjust by changing personnel or play calling. Coughlin was worried about 15 yards of field position (given that the best kickoff return for the Giants is typically to their own 30) moreso than possession and running time off the clock with 8 minutes left and a big lead ... simply a horrible strategy. Other gems: Coughlin refused to take appropriate action all season by bringing in a professional grade punter ... kept Duke Calhoun, who could not help this team receiving or on specials, over a player that could have mattered to this team (meaning, almost any other player) on a roster simply loaded with receivers. He refused to "dumb down" his offense, as though bringing young receivers along slowly, and adding more complication to the offense as they absorbed it over the course of their early years, was some sort of a sin that would have condemned him to eternal damnation.

Sometimes your football rooting interest wins, and sometimes it doesn't. If it's a good team, it generally plays well more often than it does not. If that's the case, when a bad game happens, intelligent fans of that team will give their team "a pass" since they understand that there have been damned few undefeated regular season teams in the NFL. Every Giants fan (including but not limited to this Board), understood that this year's roster is pretty much loaded with talent on both sides of the ball, although there are some glaring holes. Therefore they were entitled to expect many more "good performances" than bad performances, especially in "games that mattered." They haven't gotten that this season, and much of the reason for it is the Giants coaching staff, and stupid plays by many players, which is something that has lasted throughout the entire season with the coaches seemingly unable to fix that problem. While Coughlin will fine you for being on time, somehow, he appears to have no answer for motivating players to play smarter.

In case you have forgotten, check out the Cowboys' season. The Cowboys were another team loaded with talent that was being held back by an ineffectual head coach/defensive coordinator. The difference is that say what you want to about Jerry Jones, he did something about it, and their team looks much better even with their backup QB on the field. Giants fans who want Coughlin and his coaches replaced are no different than the Cowboy fans who wanted Wade out of Dallas; they are tired of being "shit on" by the team that they root for, and wanted a change, even if the change brought on something worse on a temporary basis. Giants fans should feel no differently, and they are not "bad" Giants fans for feeling that way.

Posts like mine, and like those of many others, are not attempts to "shit on" the New York Football Giants, but are instead more like prayers for relief from an intolerable situation. Posts like your latest gem about "fans shitting on the Giants" are simply chest beating in an attempt to prove yourself knowledgeable and "a good fan." Turns out that you are certainly not knowledgeable if you think that this team was properly coached this season, and you are certainly not a good fan if your position is that we should keep that kind of coaching around for another season.

and some of the things are headsrcatchingly out there, it's always been clear JJ has been a fan of the Giants. I'm much more willing to turn the other cheek when someone is a true fan of the team rather than the troll/instigators like LOM and dep. This is kind of sad to see.

what I do question is his knowledge of football basics.

...just crashed.

It's that I've engaged in worthless arguments with the JerseyJokester way too often.

Here's a simple question:

Where the fuck have you been?

You're oldest post is from 12/26.

You're should be Your.

nails it

and the original post is creepy and i dont really see much of an evolution he was excited by Fewell and ended up ultimately being wrong so what? The D was looking great at times (bc of the talent) Fewell had some major fuckups. That Colt game was a disaster in strategy. Talk about foreshadowing.

I retired from government service on 1/2/2009. I started working as a patent attorney on 1/12/2009. When I worked for the government, I had the opportunity to work from home a lot. Now, in private industry, I don't do that so much.

You can tell from the length of my posts that in general, it takes a lot of time. I could make that up when working from home (just stay on-line longer), but I won't do that when representing clients at work, or when working from home.

made a thread in the off-season about all the things he was right about and challenged someone to prove times he was wrong. It was quite hilarious. Now with the archives available, I doubt he challenges people to do that from here on out

My lawn needs some mowing if you have anymore time on your hands.

I can't see mine under the snow, but it's melting so maybe I'll need some help in three or four months.

I didn't follow all the JerseyJoe threads from the beginning I see nothing wrong with pointing out posters who take strong stances and then completely contradict themselves later..

And I think GMENLTS is far from the biggest jerk on this site..

I'm sure you've noticed how amazing painful this forum has been in the past several weeks. GMenLTS is like many of us who are sick of the BS that are consistently posted here. So if he's a bit abrasive, he's got a reason. I know GMenLTS personally, and he's extremely polite when he doesn't constantly have to deal with all the idiots and assholes on this website. Then again, I guess you can say that I'm a jerk as well with the way I've been calling people out lately for their idiotic posts.

G is a jerk. But nowhere near the biggest.

Hi!

Fuck that.

Abrasive has nothing to do with it - simply consider this:

Go to extremeskin.com and look at the rampant homerism each and every April, when those idiots are convinced that they are going to the Super Bowl. Somewhere between the 1st 1/3 and the halfway point of the season, their posts start calling for the coach's head, the team to be blown up, etc.

GMenLTS wants Giants fans to be better than that, and expects that they should be because they are a whole lot smarter than most fans. If that premise were true, then GMenLTS ought to understand everything that I wrote in my post, especially that the fans feel that they are the aggrieved party, and have every right to criticize the Giants. Stated differently GMenLTS should understand that it is precisely because Giants fans are a cut above most other fan bases, that they are presently entitled to be royally pissed off and to be calling for the heads of Coughlin and his staff, because it is impossible to fire the players and impractical to fire even a few of the players, while it is entirely possible and in keeping with tradition to fire the coaches, even if a case can be made that the coaches are not entirely at fault.

GMenLTS may be the salt of the earth if you know him personally, but his posts smack of rampant homerism, and entitlement to call everyone who doesn't share his point of view "a bad Giants fan." He is way off base,was way off base last week in criticizing Giants fans who were upset at the loss to the Eagles, and is way off base this week.

to SPRE's lengthy post to me.

I'm still not sure I should even be bothering but what the hell.

As far as I can read, for a whole lotta words, it really didn't say much.

First, I'm a jerk, biggest on the site. Now, I am a jerk, not sure about biggest on the site but I guess that'll be compliment right now.

Next, everyone is pissed off about the results of the past couple weeks. Anyone who's not pissed must have missed the games. The difference between someone like myself and SPRE or some of the other people I've been calling out, seems to be that I'm trying to look at this objectively and not try to pin blame on any one certain individual in what is most likely, the biggest TEAM sport there is. He rips TC for his onside kick decision meanwhile we have a coach here that stated explicitly with the time left and situation, he wouldn't have had the hands team out there either. He would make sure his players knew onsides was a possibility, but the coach knew the game wasn't over yet and thought field position was going to be important. Unfortunately, Wilkinson/Calhoun felt like being dumbasses.

Dodge? Well no shit he's been inconsistent. But it's pretty clear the guy has a leg and I guessing SPRE is the kind of guy who gets pissed that we let Brad Maynard go. Is the punter a risk? Yep, but who else is out there? Who's your solution SPRE? Name names, come on. You'll flip a shit probably if we let him go and becomes a career guy on another team.

Basically though, SPRE's entire argument against Coughlin the past couple weeks for his in game decisions, is entirely based on hindsight. Cool. You know what we should have done after it happened Give yourself a pat on the back Captain Hindsight!



Additionally, you, jerseyjoe, and the rest of the dipshits always come here to rip team/coach only after losses. Of course, nowhere to be found while we're winning.. This place is dead during the week after wins. Why no complaints about his stubborn offense when it works?

Next move, state the obvious about the season. It started off shitty, then became really good, then we blew the first eagle game, then rolled off a few more wins, then the past two weeks.

Past two weeks have been completely unforgivable. Ultimately, blame lies with the staff, I accept that and admit that all the time in these redundant arguments. I even am on record already that I'm fine with changing the staff assuming we miss the playoffs. So you can take this quote:

"Turns out that you are certainly not knowledgeable if you think that this team was properly coached this season, and you are certainly not a good fan if your position is that we should keep that kind of coaching around for another season."

and shove it up your ass.


Lastly, and this shit is just gold, SPRE just told us that Jerrah taking action with a 1-7 team somehow proves that we should take action with a presently 9-6 team.

I can't get into an argument with someone who thinks the situations are remotely comparable. Happy Holidays SPRE!

"GMenLTS may be the salt of the earth if you know him personally, but his posts smack of rampant homerism, and entitlement to call everyone who doesn't share his point of view "a bad Giants fan." He is way off base,was way off base last week in criticizing Giants fans who were upset at the loss to the Eagles, and is way off base this week."


I didn't criticize a single fan for being upset that we lost. Do you think I sit there after a loss and say, "Hell yea!"? I was furious.


But I did criticize people for being reactionary fuckwads who love to use their amazing hindsight superpower to rip the coach whenever they see an opening to do so.

This is a waste of time like I thought.


Better root hard for those skins and packers this week so you can finally get your wish.

is that he dresses like shit.

I love how guys call others out and then disappear.

And Beez...you kill me, man...you kill me.

was a great last 8 weeks. But then the GB game ruined it. It let JerseyJoe back out from the jole he crawled under when we were winning.

Anyone silent during the good times can go fuck themselves.

It kills us to see just how unfunny he is

and speak positively about him hoping that his coach speak about tailoring 'a system to fit what the players do best' would be true, I get ripped.

And when I call out the rest of the coaching staff negatively I also get ripped.

Lol some of you folks have nothing better to do than flame someone mercilessly to somehow elevate your own miserable existance.

ANYWAYS I openly praised Spags saying that if he brings the Eagles D mentality (AND properly execute it) to this team it would fit our personell like a glove and we would flourish. And fortunately that happened.

However with Fewell we played too much off coverage and zone vs. the aggressive in your face D that Spag played. I thought as the season wore on he would play more bump and run (with our larger athletic CBs) similiar D like Spags but he alternated back and forth way too much IMO.

Since you want to cherry pick my posts (in quite an obsessive/irksome manner BTW).

A post you didnt cherry pick:

Parts of Fewells D was an excellent design
JerseyJoe : 2:55 pm
but his alternating of offcoverage defeats our biggest strength: the pass rush . I thought he was truly going to focus on what we do best but he hasn't . Im a fan and an optimist at heart like many here. We all hope the 'new' guy who says the right things would actually do them. This team needs to play in your face physical football on D and that's how the personell is structured big,fast physical guys. Too much zone and cushions by the CBs kills that. We alternated back and forth too much. A Spags type D is what we need. Sue me for thinking Fewell could do that.



I wanted to really beleive in Fewell and at times this D was absolutely dominant but I think we just try to too much on both O and D, rather than focusing on what these team can do best and just doing that. You want to bust my balls for that or my optimism as a fan go right ahead.

what I've seen in my short time here, posters spend wayyyy too much time criticizing or lashing out at one another, and that just begets further silly arguments.

is anyone leaving this thread with a changed mind? do you consider your time well-spent, having insulted someone and had them insult you back, even though neither budged an inch on the central debate?

I'm not trying to be Ghandi - believe me, I disagree witha lot of what I see written here - but I honestly don't get why some of you spend SO much time writing theses about why poster X is a moron. you couldn't waste your time more efficiently if you tried.

Flip flop

balls for being an ignorant schmuck who has shown that he thinks:
1) He has answers that professional coaches don't
2) Knows the Giants plans when it is shown time and again that he doesn't have a fucking clue
3) Will REPEATEDLY throw out football terms and terminology and not know a damn thing about what they mean

I'm not even listing the fack that Joe shows up only when things aren't going well as if his suggestions were ignored, and that is the reason for the poor play.

In all, he's quite a grand fucktard.

/scared

is the same as stopping some douche from beating his chest in imaginary ectascy when the team is doing bad, then the shoe fits.

Otherwise, you can change the /scared to /fucking clueless

behavior regarding his posting, so there's a fair amount of pot/kettle here.

I love how regular posters feel as if this is their site and how it is their right, no, their obligation, to call out people who only come here when things are going bad for the team. I would say that those same people are also here for the highs as well.

See thats how it works for many of us, we follow the team, read BBI to keep up on the latest but just don't have the time to become involved with the community here. Then there are the times when we can't help but join in and those are for the extreme highs and lows, maybe it is emotionally driven and some need to share that emotion with a group focused on the same situation.

The regulars are gonna act like they do and it will never change, but I am not buying their elitist BS for a second. Just like any group there are some good and some bad but BBI just has seemed to have developed a level of doucebaggerty that is well above average, even for the internet.

So carry on all and just know that as you are calling people out, maybe even calling them stupid f#@ks, there are those on the outside watching this blend of tragic comedy and absurdist drama despite its ultimate meaninglessness.

God I hope I spelled all the words correctly or i may be made fun of

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you are funny

he pretty much got slammed and he aint getting up.

KO first round LTS.

I really liked your first three paragraphs. Good stuff for us all to keep in mind

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his countless hours of ass kissing his way into the graces of BBI regularism. He was correctly called out but any response he makes, regardless of its actual truth or merit will make him the winner, especially in the eyes of those trying to maintain their status here through their own ass kissing (see previous two posters).

His responses actually help prove some of the points he was defending against.

It is good to see you here still, I often enjoy your insights when I get time to read some of the deeper discussions.

that is not true whatsoever. LTS and I are not exactly the best of friends and I still think he owned him.

Kyle, the word "bodied" was too ncie of a word. I think it needed some violence to it.

Especially after that post decrying the lack of decorum often on display here.

Let he who is without sin, etc.

for my comments regarding LTS- they were mean spirited and uncalled for. He has invested a lot of time here over the last few years and has added a lot to the board. I don't always agree with him or how he handles himself at times but that shouldn't be enough for me to make the comments that I made regarding ass kissing towards him and others as a way of gaining status here. Friends should stick up for each other.

only because I can't figure out if the santa in the background is a man or woman

tensions have been at an all time high around here to say the very least.

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the only way LTS has won here is through Pitt G-man Dan : 1:48 am his countless hours of ass kissing his way into the graces of BBI regularism. He was correctly called out but any response he makes, regardless of its actual truth or merit will make him the winner, especially in the eyes of those trying to maintain their status here through their own ass kissing (see previous two posters). His responses actually help prove some of the points he was defending against.

Annnnd ... he dresses like shit.

that post to SPRE said all I needed it to, sums up my feelings on this season, all my 'jerkiness', and why I dislike the armchair coaches/players/GMs.

No issues with Pitt and good lord that Rex gif is disturbing david.

but we all knew that

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as they are nothing but stalker-fodder

I wish you would've stuck with your first post, which rang true. The second makes it seem like you got a visit from a BBI "cleaner" at some point after 1:48 am. Too bad...

How am I funny?

What if we remain silent during the bad weeks and only talk during the good weeks?

My beef is with people who will tell you they know more than the coaches do and then when what they say amounts to a steaming pile of BS, they leave. Then when the team fails, they post like they are a resident sage.

Post during both good and bad times, or post whenever yo feel. Just don't expect to post, giddy about failure and as if you knew something all along and not expect to get slammed for it.

What counts is how you handle it. Own it, admit you were wrong, and move on, then you'll find few people have a problem with you. When you're constantly reversing course while trumpeting how right you've always been, then you'll be the target of well-deserved ridicule.

It's never a matter of simply being a Giants fan.. it's about developing his stupid fucking basic "theories" and making sure every person in this forum is aware of when he is "right" and is nowhere to be found or never brings the topic up again when he's not.

It's just a poster who desperately wants to feel valued and important around here and his posting has pretty much created the opposite effect.