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JerseyJoe on Fewell -- The Evolution

jlukes : 12/28/2010 10:18 am
Offseason
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mmmm I am slightly intrigued but what Ive
JerseyJoe : 1/5/2010 7:13 pm
heard about Pewell so far

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Phil gets it
JerseyJoe : 1/5/2010 7:38 pm
one of the few.....let's pray we play agressive for once and go hard for a coveted guy who's a good fit for us

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Is this yet ANOTHER case of the Giants being too slow?
JerseyJoe : 1/7/2010 6:19 pm
Or too cheap? Fewell just came in and so far nothing but a couple reports that we are taking our time....UGH

Are we about to let yet another prime candidate slip through our fingers once again?

Ryan the only other potential better fit looks like hes staying in Cleveland.

I really hope the Gmen know something we don't but with their spotty history hiring coaches I am skeptical at best.


arc he isnt Gregg Williams
JerseyJoe : 1/7/2010 7:59 pm
but he is the best thats out there now that Ryan is gone. And unless another name pops up that we dont know of, the alternatives aren't really close in terms of fit,style etc. for this personell.

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Fewell is the best available
JerseyJoe : 1/8/2010 11:06 am


He has good experience (not a never has or a has been) and can adjust the scheme to fit personell. He has run multiple looks and formations not just Tampa based on what weve read from multiple sources. And tons of reports that players greatly respond to him and that he's a great teacher of the game.

Would Romeo be horrible? Probably not as this D with its talent and a couple tweaks could make a mediocre DC look good.

But I still think Fewell is the best fit or a relatively thin field at this point.

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This team is going to have a huge turnaround next year
JerseyJoe : 5/25/2010 10:26 am

Recent history has shown when the expectations have been lowered we coincedentally always seem to play best.

After the poor showing on the field last year many are dismissing the talent that they called Super Bowl caliber just a year back.

The talent hasnt changed all that much, a few players lost but quite a few quality ones added as well.

Just like when we switched from Lewis to Spagnuolo I beleive all here will see the difference a good DC makes.

Alot of life is based on faith in something not necessarily proven.

I have faith this D is going to rebound in a big way under Fewell and the talent is certainly here to do so. Add an offense with maturing young high potential WRs and a vet pro-bowl QB, and you have a team worthy of Super Bowl contention.

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I love the fact that while we added a couple peices
JerseyJoe : 6/27/2010 5:45 pm
but we havent necessarily overhauled the core of this team on D. Did we add in the draft? Sure, but many of the guys are considered guys with learning curves and arent expected to be core players right away.

It will really underscore how much a difference the DC makes (hopefully for many here who didnt get it when the D plays 10X better between Lewis and Spags)


Pre-Season
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this D also is gonna be sick under Fewell
JerseyJoe : 6/27/2010 11:47 am

I cant wait. Reese doesnt beleive we need a dominant MLB in this system. He was right about the WRs (which was probably a bigger risk than this), Im going to beleive him on this one.

Probably one of the top X factors in getting this years D back to a dominant level is C-Web. I think the answer will be a resounding yes and whats further Terrel Thomas may be an even better #2 than anything Spags had to work with.

Corey held down the likes of TO, GBs gifted wide recievers and then Randy Moss in one of the most explosives Offenses of all time in the Super Bowl. You dont do that by accident or by some fluke. Further, This is a CB who played for a major college program and had 14 INTS! He is the goods and I believe he will resume his dominant play under a good DC who utilizes his talents as a press CB properly.

The other huge X-factor is a return to ferocious Dl play. Will we go back to swarming and attacking on D? Especially swarming and creating chaos on the backfield like we did so well under Spags when our guys for the most part were healthy?

I believe under the tutelage and adjustments by Fewell and Dunn, coupled with better health upfront, we could have the deepest and best Dl in all of football. Very few teams can match a quartet of Tuck,Osi,Kiwi,and Canty when all are healthy. And this isnt even considering the promising wealth of youth in the stables with most having very high pass rush potential in JPP,Sintim as well as solid DTs like Joseph and Alford.

The O should continue it's play of last year and be EVEN better in the pass game as Nicks and Manningham continue to mature and improve. Im betting OL play will improve too woth Beatty taking the LT spot 9if he's ready) and diehl moving inside. Couple that with a bigtime improvement in D and I think we will see a team of similiar greatness as the one of late 2007 and most of '08.

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Ahhh so perhaps for you the fourth time is the 'charm'
JerseyJoe : 6/27/2010 11:39 am
I mean this will be the fourth DC CWEB has had . We have already seen a pattern of good-bad-good for CWeb (and pretty much the D collectively) which happened to 'magically' coincide with the quality of the DC.

Will you finally see the light if CWEB and the entire defense magically improves again under a good DC (which I confidently feel Fewell will be)?

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1. Fewell
JerseyJoe : 8/8/2010 12:03 pm
2. Fewell
3. Fewell

Ive said this pretty much right off the bat like I did with Spagnuolo , he is going to be a huge upgrade over the previous DC. And DC (esp with an offensive minded HC) is one of the most impactful 'positions' in football.

Also actually seeing them in action in preseason is going to be a big tell. I remember pretty much from the first couple pre-season games under Spags you saw us attacking. A swarming to the football that we rarely saw under Lewis. If we see similiar things and more cohesion in the secondary that will be a very nice additional indicator hopefully for the much more positive things to come.

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with the talent on D combined with an actual legit DC
JerseyJoe : 8/8/2010 12:07 pm
we may see Thomas prediction of a dominant D come true (maybe not 85 Bears but something awfully good like 07 playoff Giants or even a tick better) albeit a year later!

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cant wait to see the impact Fewell makes
JerseyJoe : 7/13/2010 10:59 pm
on the coverage schemes and the pass rush...Im thinking similiar impact as when we went from Lewis to Spags





Throughout the season
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Hey a game plan on D that actually is effective!
JerseyJoe : 9/13/2010 5:39 pm
I like this Perry Fewell guy!

LOL...

On a serious note, that was a great article. I am truly excited to see how this D continues to improve under a legit DC.

Ive been saying this for awhile now. I expect the D to be as good as it was when we had our last good DC, Mr.Spagnuolo. And if the team stays healthy with all these recent additions like Canty,Rolle,Boley and the rooks we could be even better!

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Its one thing to have an effective game plan
JerseyJoe : 9/13/2010 6:05 pm
and it's another to coach it ,get the players buy in and making it work. I think Fewell can do all 3 well and as they continue to improve this D has a chance to be REAL good.

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Perry Fewell should run the Offense too
JerseyJoe : 10/3/2010 9:52 pm
lol

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uh oh under a legit DC
JerseyJoe : 10/11/2010 11:54 am
Thomas' predictions of last year don't seem so far off now ;)

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As I said on a few previous threads
JerseyJoe : 10/27/2010 11:19 am
We are very close to regaining that '07 and part of '08 form and perhaps even surpassing that.

We have shown some absolute dominance at times as we are continuing to gel as a team this year. Imagine showing the kind of dominance we have hinted at with more consistency? And weve done it with giving the opposition ridiculous starting field position in addition to an amazing 21 TOs in 7 games. Thats super impressive.

With how pretty darn good we are already playing, just Imagine if the opponent doesnt get an average start of the 40 yd line anymore? Just imagine if we can drop the turnover rate even by just 50%?

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Thomas, arc can be a dweeb for sure
JerseyJoe : 10/27/2010 12:00 pm
but I am still trying to educate him ;)

As for Thomas' lofty predictions if we had better health and Fewell running the D LAST year, it might not have been that far off. The talent was certainly there if Phillips and others stayed healthy and we had a DC with a clue.

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lol arc
JerseyJoe : 10/27/2010 12:05 pm
how's that Fewell prediction looking right now nit wit?






Packers game and more

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If it keeps going this way then
JerseyJoe : 12/26/2010 4:58 pm
Only silver lining is to hope for two consecutive blowouts, a 9-7 finish, and missing the playoffs entirely. It will be yet another second half of season collapse by TC and company and perhaps finally force our overly loyal organization to finally bring in a coaching staff that will fully utilize our talent.


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blow up the coaching staff
JerseyJoe : 12/26/2010 5:49 pm
and watch how the O and D magically improves next year without any huge changes in talent


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Receivers need PHDs to run routes in this offense
JerseyJoe : 12/26/2010 7:17 pm

Ive been saying this for years and its been confirmed many times over in the media and by the players themselves. The players have to overthink and cant just ball. This is ridiculous and will hopefully finally and mercifully end with a new coaching staff.

Yup a coaching staff overhaul is going to be a huge key here. We just have to cross our fingers this overly loyal and slow organization makes the move and is ultraggressive in bringing in the best coaching changes



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You put way too much time and effort  
kmed : 12/28/2010 10:20 am : link
disliking this guy.
but still  
kmed : 12/28/2010 10:21 am : link
funny to read.
hahaha  
Greg from LI : 12/28/2010 10:22 am : link
fine work, but talk about shooting fish in a barrel
Had to come into the office today (vacation the rest of the week)  
jlukes : 12/28/2010 10:22 am : link
it's dead, and I'm bored, so I went for it
jlukes...  
Midn_Chae : 12/28/2010 10:24 am : link
That's some good research work. But why did you go through all that work? JeseryJoe is kind of a douche though.
I think he comes out of that better then 90% other BBI  
cmike22 : 12/28/2010 10:25 am : link
members would
not much work at all  
jlukes : 12/28/2010 10:25 am : link
do a google search of "JerseyJoe Perry Fewell" and you land in a goldmine of awful
very entertaining  
JCin332 : 12/28/2010 10:27 am : link
thank you for putting in the time..and I might add there are plenty of other quality BBI posters who fit same mold..
come on lukes  
GMenLTS : 12/28/2010 10:27 am : link
that was too easy
So Fewell isn't Coughlin's successor anymore? What a shame.  
Riggies : 12/28/2010 10:28 am : link
Every time I read his comments about the offense (like in that last quote), I have to keep second guessing my own current stance on wanting a change.
Love this one...  
barens : 12/28/2010 10:29 am : link
"finally force our overly loyal organization to finally bring in a coaching staff that will fully utilize our talent."

Because our coaching staff doesn't take advantage of the talent.
holy crap  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/28/2010 10:30 am : link
This is super creepy.
...  
yankees78 : 12/28/2010 10:30 am : link
lol
He'll be gone...  
silverfox : 12/28/2010 10:32 am : link
...along with the rest of the staff. I think his schemes against great passing teams are the worse I've ever seen. The Colts and Packers and Eagles destroyed our defense. Imagine what Brees could do against us? If he hasn't figured out how to stop a higher octane passing offense by now...when the hell will he?
Not to defend anyone  
pjcas18 : 12/28/2010 10:32 am : link
but many around here had high hopes for the defense, with both the return of injured players and the replacement of Sheridan.

I can say I'm very disappointed and the stats will lie. The Giants right now have the 6th ranked defense (in ypg) although, more importantly 17th in scoring (which is really the only defensive stat that counts). That is a big improvement in scoring from 30th, but most of us expected more.

anyway, I know that wasn't the intent of your thread, but thought it was as good a place as any to mention it.

And for the record, I was not bullish on fewell. he did not have a great track record as a DC IMO (don't bother looking that up), but I was hopeful.

...  
Danny Kanell : 12/28/2010 10:33 am : link
What FEK said
JerseyJoe is an individual who clearly believes  
JonC : 12/28/2010 10:34 am : link
in all that he says, and at the same time believes no one will remember when he was incorrect, which is probably 95% of the time when the topic is demonstrated football knowledge.

The inability to simply admit he's wrong astounds.
maybe I don't pay enough attention but I don't get the hate  
dvb : 12/28/2010 10:37 am : link
for JerseyJoe (or anyone else that I can think of for that matter). IMO, there's too much hate and negativity on BBI towards fellow Giant fans.
dvb  
GMenLTS : 12/28/2010 10:39 am : link
there would be no hate if a bunch of shitheads who claim to be fans didn't take the opportunity to shit all over the team at every chance they get.


Some fuckheads revel in the giants losing, there are several people on record here already hoping we lose next week just so they get their wish for coughlin to be fired. Frankly it's pathetic.
stalker thread  
mdc1 : 12/28/2010 10:39 am : link
. And should be deleted.
That was funny...  
tyleraimee : 12/28/2010 10:40 am : link
but I also think we can do that with a lot of people here. jlukes, find someone who has been praising Coughlin in the past and now is calling for his head. I am sure that will not be too difficult.
LTS  
Danny Kanell : 12/28/2010 10:40 am : link
More pathetic than this thread?
He was kinda right with this thought, though...  
okiegiant : 12/28/2010 10:42 am : link
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this D also is gonna be sick under Fewell


They've played the last 5 qtrs like they have a bad case of diarrhea.
DK, yea, infinitely more pathetic  
GMenLTS : 12/28/2010 10:43 am : link
pretty clear to see where lukes was going with this, I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time doing the clipping but jerseyfucknut sure does deserve a nice callout after thumping his chest all year.

here's a pro-tip  
J : 12/28/2010 10:44 am : link
You can add site:bigblueinteractive.com to a google query to limit the results ;)

http://www.google.com/search?&q=site:bigblueinteractive.com%20jersey%20joe%20perry%20fewell - ( New Window )
Wow,  
Paul in Brooklyn : 12/28/2010 10:45 am : link
You're really creepy.
The sad thing is,  
Cam in MO : 12/28/2010 10:45 am : link
there are so many posters who completely disappear when the Giants are playing well, only rear their ugly heads so that they can shit all over the team and claim they knew that the Giants would suck.

It's like they enjoy the losses more than the wins.


cam  
GMenLTS : 12/28/2010 10:48 am : link
they do

I posited the thought earlier in the year during the 1-2 start but as the year went on, and after the results from the first eagle game and now the last 2 games?

Yea, I believe it to be 100% true.

Fuck em
like this, cam?  
J : 12/28/2010 10:49 am : link
...
http://www.google.com/search?&q=site:bigblueinteractive.com%20stealingsociety - ( New Window )
Shouldn't that "The De-evolution"?  
Section331 : 12/28/2010 10:50 am : link
I'm not a big fan of call-out threads, but rarely have I seen a person who knew so little, be so sure of himself. Days after having no clue who Perry Fewell was, JerseyJoke was convincedd he was the best DC since Bill Belichick.

At least we're not talking about passing trees! I don't know if BBI has enough virtual real estate to cover all of Joke's musings on the subject.
A very Dave-in-DC-like thread from lukes.  
Beez : 12/28/2010 10:57 am : link


:)
^^^^^"z" in the handle.  
Cam in MO : 12/28/2010 10:59 am : link
.
Beez, not really?  
jlukes : 12/28/2010 11:00 am : link
This is a football thread. I couldn't care less about his personal life
LTS  
dvb : 12/28/2010 11:02 am : link
I know they're here (didn't know JJ was one of them). I guess I just ignore them. When I start reading an overly negative or irrational post, I usually just move on to the next. And I usually stay away from game threads..
Didn't get your new sweater in a bunch.  
Beez : 12/28/2010 11:02 am : link
Love you. Love the Dave.
er ... don't.  
Beez : 12/28/2010 11:03 am : link

And Cam ... I WILL KILLZ YOU!
lukes-  
Cam in MO : 12/28/2010 11:04 am : link
It is customary and actually recommended that you ignore posts originated from a person with "z" in their handle.


At least the team had a number of outstanding efforts this year  
Stan from LA : 12/28/2010 11:14 am : link
Unlike Wrong-Way Sheridan when we were a weekly sieve...
dvb 10:37  
River Mike : 12/28/2010 11:22 am : link
My feelings exactly. And followed by a post that illustrates the point
Yes, they were definitely a weekly sieve during that 5-0 start  
speedywheels : 12/28/2010 11:41 am : link
.
River Mike  
dvb : 12/28/2010 11:42 am : link
glad I'm not the only one.
GMenLTS  
SPRE : 12/28/2010 11:47 am : link
You may well be one of the biggest jerks that I've ever seen posting on this website - and I've been posting here for a long, long time.

I have yet to see any poster who could be classified as being "a Giants fan" "take the opportunity to shit all over the team at every chance they get." In fact, I think that it is far more accurate to claim that over the last two weeks, the NFL Football Giants clearly "shit all over their fans" rather than their fans having "shit all over" the New York Football Giants.

In this instance, it is very clear that Perry Fewell was simply not prepared for the obvious game plan that the Packers implemented on offense, namely, quick passing to negate the pass rush, and targeting the middle on slants to take advantage of the absence of any professional grade linebackers being on the field for the Giants. While it could be that there is little that the Giants could have done about the absence of professional grade linebackers on the field, they could, nevertheless, have rushed four, tried to defend the pass with seven, and forced Rodgers to use his feet (essentially what the gameplan was against the Eagles. Rodgers is mobile, but he ain't no Vick.

On the offensive side of the ball, again, there was little to no preparation for the extremely obvious defensive game plan that the Packers came out with: stop the run and target the weak link in the o-line (O'Hara) as a means for doing so, thereby forcing Eli to win the game through the air against the strength of the Packers defense.

Both sides of the ball failed to adjust for the Giants, which has been a registered trademark of Coughlin's NY Giants teams since the day that he got here. Coughlin has now watched for eight consecutive quarters while the middle of his o-line got blown up by the Eagles and the Packers, and never moved to adjust by changing personnel or play calling. Coughlin was worried about 15 yards of field position (given that the best kickoff return for the Giants is typically to their own 30) moreso than possession and running time off the clock with 8 minutes left and a big lead ... simply a horrible strategy. Other gems: Coughlin refused to take appropriate action all season by bringing in a professional grade punter ... kept Duke Calhoun, who could not help this team receiving or on specials, over a player that could have mattered to this team (meaning, almost any other player) on a roster simply loaded with receivers. He refused to "dumb down" his offense, as though bringing young receivers along slowly, and adding more complication to the offense as they absorbed it over the course of their early years, was some sort of a sin that would have condemned him to eternal damnation.

Sometimes your football rooting interest wins, and sometimes it doesn't. If it's a good team, it generally plays well more often than it does not. If that's the case, when a bad game happens, intelligent fans of that team will give their team "a pass" since they understand that there have been damned few undefeated regular season teams in the NFL. Every Giants fan (including but not limited to this Board), understood that this year's roster is pretty much loaded with talent on both sides of the ball, although there are some glaring holes. Therefore they were entitled to expect many more "good performances" than bad performances, especially in "games that mattered." They haven't gotten that this season, and much of the reason for it is the Giants coaching staff, and stupid plays by many players, which is something that has lasted throughout the entire season with the coaches seemingly unable to fix that problem. While Coughlin will fine you for being on time, somehow, he appears to have no answer for motivating players to play smarter.

In case you have forgotten, check out the Cowboys' season. The Cowboys were another team loaded with talent that was being held back by an ineffectual head coach/defensive coordinator. The difference is that say what you want to about Jerry Jones, he did something about it, and their team looks much better even with their backup QB on the field. Giants fans who want Coughlin and his coaches replaced are no different than the Cowboy fans who wanted Wade out of Dallas; they are tired of being "shit on" by the team that they root for, and wanted a change, even if the change brought on something worse on a temporary basis. Giants fans should feel no differently, and they are not "bad" Giants fans for feeling that way.

Posts like mine, and like those of many others, are not attempts to "shit on" the New York Football Giants, but are instead more like prayers for relief from an intolerable situation. Posts like your latest gem about "fans shitting on the Giants" are simply chest beating in an attempt to prove yourself knowledgeable and "a good fan." Turns out that you are certainly not knowledgeable if you think that this team was properly coached this season, and you are certainly not a good fan if your position is that we should keep that kind of coaching around for another season.
Although this is stalkerific  
OlyWAJintsFan : 12/28/2010 12:01 pm : link
and some of the things are headsrcatchingly out there, it's always been clear JJ has been a fan of the Giants. I'm much more willing to turn the other cheek when someone is a true fan of the team rather than the troll/instigators like LOM and dep. This is kind of sad to see.
I've never questioned JerseyJoe being a Giants fan  
jlukes : 12/28/2010 12:02 pm : link
what I do question is his knowledge of football basics.
I think the interent....  
Ryan : 12/28/2010 12:05 pm : link
...just crashed.
Well.. if anything is obvious from this thread..  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2010 12:06 pm : link
It's that I've engaged in worthless arguments with the JerseyJokester way too often.
SPRE  
Peter in Atlanta : 12/28/2010 12:07 pm : link
Here's a simple question:

Where the fuck have you been?

You're oldest post is from 12/26.
oops  
Peter in Atlanta : 12/28/2010 12:07 pm : link
You're should be Your.
SPRE  
Eggs55 : 12/28/2010 12:20 pm : link
nails it

and the original post is creepy and i dont really see much of an evolution he was excited by Fewell and ended up ultimately being wrong so what? The D was looking great at times (bc of the talent) Fewell had some major fuckups. That Colt game was a disaster in strategy. Talk about foreshadowing.
Peter in Atlanta  
SPRE : 12/28/2010 12:38 pm : link
I retired from government service on 1/2/2009. I started working as a patent attorney on 1/12/2009. When I worked for the government, I had the opportunity to work from home a lot. Now, in private industry, I don't do that so much.

You can tell from the length of my posts that in general, it takes a lot of time. I could make that up when working from home (just stay on-line longer), but I won't do that when representing clients at work, or when working from home.
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