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Some outrageous pro day results so far..

PeterS : 3/18/2011 3:04 pm

Baldwin Wallace DE/OLB Keith Darbut ran a sub 4.4; 37" vertical and 26 reps at 6-4/229. Report says he's up to 240 now.

Blake Sumner, NT, Colorado Mines did has been reported doing 49, 50 and 52 reps at 6-2/330. Teammate Marc Scheichl?, 6-3/250 DE/OLB ran a 4.65 and put up 38 reps plus a 10'8" broad jump and a 35" vertical.

Grand Valley State T/G Cameron Bradfield clocked a 4.8 40 and did 30 reps at 6-4/300.

Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas ran a 4.3 at 6-1/224.

Bethel Tenn. lineman Mike Jasper had a 33" vertical at 6-5/395. He reminds me of the guy who was doing back flips a few years ago but more polished.

Feel free to add more!

disclaimer

JonC : 3/18/2011 3:06 pm : link

pro day results are typically less accurate than combine results.

individual workouts don't mean very much to me

RasputinPrime : 3/18/2011 3:08 pm : link

much like what grade you got on a university test. When you have all the time in the world to "study up", the results are artificial.

Pro day results

Larry from WV : 3/18/2011 3:12 pm : link

Can never make me like a player any more. The only thing they can do is make me wonder if a player has the commitment to stay in shape.

What about backflips?

Curtis in MD : 3/18/2011 3:17 pm : link

Couple of points

PeterS : 3/18/2011 3:19 pm : link

If these workouts weren't important or accurate than why do NFL teams bother to attend? They're important because the combine is limited in the number of participants. You have NO way to gauge the accuracy or legitimacy of the results unless you were there. I agree, numbers are nice but they should not over-influence a player's draft stock.

Just wondering

Gman11 : 3/18/2011 3:21 pm : link

What in world good is measuring vertical leap for an offensvie lineman?

Peter

JonC : 3/18/2011 3:21 pm : link

You touched upon why pro day workouts are attended by the teams, but teams themselves will tell you results are often suspect because they school's control the environment entirely.

This isn't BBI legend, this is known info.

Jon

JohnG in Albany : 3/18/2011 3:23 pm : link

Are you saying pro day results can be "fake"? *grin*

JonC : 3/18/2011 3:23 pm : link

Vertical and broad are raw tests for explosion, knee bend in OL is vital.

GMAN

Larry from WV : 3/18/2011 3:24 pm : link

explosive power. It's actually a fairly useful test for the big guys.

JohnG

JonC : 3/18/2011 3:25 pm : link

In essence you could say that ... use a "fast" track and hand-timers for 40s and suddenly a 4.5 runner is running 4.3s

Peter

Larry from WV : 3/18/2011 3:27 pm : link

You can still watch how the athlete runs, Watch the drills, and get a chance to see how he carries himself. Even if the numbers are questionable there is still other information to be gained.

Jon

JohnG in Albany : 3/18/2011 3:28 pm : link

I was actually referring to the much more common debate on BBI as to what's fake and what's real.

Kidding aside, I agree with you on the pro day stuff, especially at some of these smaller schools. I think some of them have their tracks set up so the kid is running downhill when he's doing his 40.

Jon

PeterS : 3/18/2011 3:29 pm : link

since the days of the "fake 40" which prompted the Cowboys to draft a player they thought ran a 4.4 but actually ran a 4.6 because the school had set up 35 instead 40 yards, scouts carry measuring tapes. I think they can count bench presses regardless of the environment. For argument's sake, let's say the first kid actually ran a 4.48 instead of a 4.38 - at his size that is still pretty remarkable. Does it automatically make him a better player - no, of course not, but it will get him noticed for what he might be able to do with that speed.

Peter

JonC : 3/18/2011 3:30 pm : link

Look, there's a reason why scouts will give you a kid's combine results AND his pro day results, if there are any. How you choose to look at the facts is up to you.

JohnG

JonC : 3/18/2011 3:31 pm : link

I know but I'd no witty retort zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Didn't someone from the inside - don't recall who, maybe JR or TC,

BlueLou : 3/18/2011 3:44 pm : link

maybe Brandt or someone else currently or formerly in the biz, say that the most important part of the combine was the one on one player interviews? If that's correct, the same holds true for the players' pro days obviously.

We the fan don't get enough info about their heads...

dee-fense : 3/18/2011 4:00 pm : link

like how damn determined they are to become great. Give me an athlete with an 85 score with Tiki's professionalism (on the field) vs a 95 with a two cent head. William Joseph did not hurt for athletic ability and neither did Tyrone Wheatley.....After three years, the 85 will be a core guy.

Running downhill in a hurricane

old timer : 3/18/2011 4:33 pm : link

Some of those 40 times define physics.

LB Mario Harvey from Marshall

Finch : 3/18/2011 4:48 pm : link

257 pounds and ran a 4.43 (walterfootball)
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IMO

Larry in SD : 3/18/2011 5:01 pm : link

The numbers matter. If you want to know whether a kid has size, speed, and strength you measure him. If you want to know about his intelligence, you test him for it. If you want to know if he can play football, watch the tapes. After you've done all that, and he still looks like a player that you'd want on your team, you judge his character by whatever means available. But you don't draft a small, slow, soft head case just because he has good press clippings or was a "star" at a big-name U.

Didn't the Giants

Semipro Lineman : 3/18/2011 5:09 pm : link

mention that when they went to Nicks pro day, they notice the geuine interactions between him and his teammates which boostered the Giant's opinion of his leadership skills.

Also, that same year someone mentioned that one of the top prospects who already ran at the combine choosed to do so at his school's pro day so that more scouts would show up for his teammates. This also gave the scouts a positive impression of the player.

Like others have said, its not just the numbers that come out of pro days.

We could use some

BBurns : 3/18/2011 7:17 pm : link

4.3 speed in our return game .

Agree with semipro

CT Charlie : 3/19/2011 8:05 am : link

In 20 minutes of watching a player interacting with his teammates and coaches, you can probably learn more about his character and personality than you can learn from hours of watching tape and doing interview and reading questionnaires.

You have to be there

Marty in Albany : 3/19/2011 9:15 am : link

That's why you go to the concert rather than just buy the band's music. (And no, I don't know if the scouts get high at the combine.)