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Offensive Players with first round grades
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabert
Mark Ingram
Kyle Rudolph
Nate Solder
Tyron Smith
Anothony Castonzo
Mike Pouncey
JJ Watt
Bowers
Cameron Heyward
Cam Jordan
Robert Quinn
Clayborne
Looked like Parcells has him rated in the 3rd round.
they should have made this a 3 day special
seeing how different guys rate these players
try this link....
if it doesn't work, just go to ESPN.com and search for Parcells, then click on the video.
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Dareus
Fairley
Taylor
Wilkerson
Are no real surprise. He likes them big. All at least 6'3" and 280+. Other than Quinn, who I am assuming he sees as a 3-4 OLB.
Have to remember Bill has a 3-4 mentality on defense.
Miller
Aldon Smith
Ryan Kerrigan
ILB
Nate Irving
CB
Prince
Peterson
and Prince rated higher than Patrick Peterson.
WOw
and who the heck is Martez Williams?
looks like top of the 1st, rated high then smith.
not only is he a good prospect, but he is maybe the highest character guy in the 1st round (I don't know how you rate that, but Watt definitely 'gets it').
All the mocks that have him going in the teens are way off. Dude is going top 12.
addresses himself as "Parcells" in his inner dialogue.
some very cool insight on evaluating players
are what ESPN SHOULD be. Instead, they choose to serve the lowest common denominator.
"Must win 23 games" -- A QB doesn't win games alone.
"Must have 2:1 TD to INT ratio" -- What about dropped TDs? What about INTs that aren't the QB's fault? Stats lie a lot in football.
"Must complete 60% of passes" -- What about dropped passes? What if a QB's completion % is 58 or 59? Again, stats lie in football.
Some QBs can also rack up these numbers in inferior conferences, while QBs in tougher conferences might not rack up these numbers but still be the more NFL-ready QBs.
relies a bit too much on size and stats for my liking. But, he's rich because of it.
who isn't a one year wonder and is accurate.
is probably the only QB to fit those criteria.
size is what has him above some more talented pass rushers. I do agree he is going to be a very good player for a long time though. How about Nate Irving!?!
about RBs. The grading system with letters is a very popular system. That's how I was taught as well. I like how he has all those examples off the top of his head.
in all my journeys around the internet for draft research this season, I've only found that nationalfootballpost.com uses the letter system as well, although it's different than the one Parcells laid out.
and Nate Irving is all over the field. He is around the ball almost every play.
I'm going to find the scouting report I found on him and read up to see why he's a first rounder.
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Battled back from a bad car accident in 2009. Leader and tough player. Sideline-to-sideline and a 3 down linebacker. Good football IQ and read-and-react skills. Hard worker. Can play any linebacker position.
6'1" 242, 4.7 40. Can pressure the A gap. Flexible and good change of direction skills. Plays too high at times.
2 season starter. Not a powerful player. Sometimes takes poor angles.
Not a great tackler and not very explosive. Relies on speed too often. Good at ripping the ball trying to force fumbles.
7 sacks in 2010. Not a great pass-rusher. Above average in zone coverage, needs to work on his man coverage.
3rd-5th round projection. 19.5 TFL in 2010.
Sure Parcells has his reasons and I'd trust him over an amateur draftnik, but I'd be interested to hear what they are.
in a long time.
I'm stoked for the draft now.
Thanks Coach!
"Must have 2:1 TD to INT ratio" -- What about dropped TDs? What about INTs that aren't the QB's fault? Stats lie a lot in football.
"Must complete 60% of passes" -- What about dropped passes? What if a QB's completion % is 58 or 59? Again, stats lie in football. |
Assumption is that dropped TDs will get balanced by WR created TDs, INTs caused by WRs will get balanced by balls saved by the WR, dropped passes are balanced by excellent bail-out catches, etc.
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show, and a reminder of what a station like ESPN can provide. I'm gonna watch it again.
show. Liked the fact that Parcells admitted his mistakes, like drafting Pat White, and not drafting Munoz.
I missed it and would love to watch it
Was busy tonight and forget that it was airing. Shit. Anyone know when it's on again?
Parcells also cautioned that his short arms are less than ideal for a CB...
Yeah, in popular media, specifically on draft sites it's not used. I learned it from Russ Lande Jr. I think that was the way they did things when he scouted. I feel very comfortable grading that way. I know Coach Garrett Sr. showed me his draft notes, and he grades players differently. If I recall correctly, it was based on a 1-10 scale for various critical factors. Then an avg was given, and the player was compared to someone ON THE TEAM past or present i believe to give coaches an idea of the talent level.
The grading system with letters always worked for me so seeing that last night used by parcells was cool for me because that's how I learned it a bunch of years back.
draft history...I never thought that was one of his strengths.
Total guaranteed money for the 2010 1st round draft class was $360 million. When you add in "likely to be earned" bonuses, the number balloons to $500 million. Those amounts get paid regardless of how a player performs.
And people wonder why the owners opted out of the labor agreement.
I didn't see this, how did BP rate the QB's?
Parcells' QBs were ranked Cam Netwon then Blaine Gabbert in RD1... In RD2, he had Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder and then Jake Locker...
Somewhat amususing considering all the pub this methodology has been getting of late and yet none of his top 5 QBs fit the mold... Whereas Dalton, Stazi and Kaeparnick fit the criteria yet are futher down on the list...
I was hoping for some insight to the actual war rooms, what it was like to deal with Young, and then Jerruh, that would've been great.
But Dalton doesn't have prototypical size.
they used to do the same thing on ESPN radio very earl sunday mornings when Parcells worked for ESPN.
Interesting to see where/if his sleeper goes.
I always liked BP but his own track record on draft day has been suspect more times than not. George Young and him always battled.
it was an excellent show. The inside stuff about drafting and ranking players was just outstanding. Parcells obviously knows what he is talking about, and ESPN should be commended for giving him as much air time as it did.
and I didn't feel like I was being yelled at by loudmouths.