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Rick Gosselin's Final Mock Draft

Rick in Dallas : 4/28/2011 6:58 am
1)Carolina:Cam Newton
2)Denver:Von Miller
3)Buffalo:Marcell Darius
4)Cincinnati:AJ Green
5)Arizona:Patrick Peterson
6)Cleveland:Julio Jones
7)San Francisco:Blaine Gabbert
8)Tennessee:Jake Locker
9)Dallas:Tyron Smith
10)Washington:Christian Ponder
11)Houston:Alson Smith
12)Minnesota:Andy Dalton
13)Detroit)Nick Fairley
14)St.Louis:Mark Ingram
15)Miami:Mike Pouncey
16)Jacksonville:Ryan Kerrigan
17)New England:Cam Jordan
18)San Diego:Cory Liuget
19)Giants:Nate Solder
20)Tampa Bay:Robert Quinn
21)Kansas City:Gabe Carimi
22)Indy:Anthony Castonzo
23)Eagles:Jimmy Smith
24)New Orlaeans:Adrian Clayborn
25)Seattle:Prince Amikamara
26)Baltimore:JJ Watt
27)Atlanta:Phil Taylor
28)New England:Danny Watkins
29)Chicago:Marvin Austin
30)Jets:Derrick Sherrod
31)Pittsburgh:Cam Heyward
32)Packers:Aaron Williams

Comments on Giants number 1 pick:Like the cowboys,the Giants need to get younger on the offensive line.Solder is the best blind side protector in this draft and he's going to get better.He's only played the position for three years.
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Donnie  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 8:58 am : link
Liuget fits at both 3- and 5-technique...
The Quinn thing is interesting  
wigs in nyc : 4/28/2011 8:58 am : link
Boylhart hates him.
mattyb  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 9:03 am : link
Agree 100% on teh "not realistic" comments... Sorta reminds me of how every year as early as Jan/Feb a handful of BBI draft experts declare "no chance in hell <insert player name> lasts to pick #XX"... And come late April the player falls right past the selection...
we pass on Prince AND Castonzo  
Mike in NY : 4/28/2011 9:18 am : link
to take a huge bust risk in Nate Solder? I know some are high on Solder, but if he cannot play LT I am not sure he has a spot in the NFL. He is not stout enough as a run blocker to play RT and is too long with terrible knee bend so would get his arse handed to him at OG
If Fairley can stay motivated in the NFL...  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 9:20 am : link
Lining him up next to Ndamukong Suh would a nightmare for teams in the NFC Central... You would have to think CHI would be on the phone "tout de suite" about trading up for Mike Pouncey...
I'll be surprised if NYG picks an OT  
JonC : 4/28/2011 9:24 am : link
especially if it's not Castonzo.
Solder would be great.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/28/2011 9:36 am : link
Would be thrilled.
don't like Solder at all  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2011 9:42 am : link
if Fairley actually fell that far, I'd hope the Giants would consider moving up to get him. Dude's a wrecking ball in the middle.
Ponder going that early wouldn't be surprising  
bois : 4/28/2011 9:43 am : link
I haven't heard a bad thing about him, everyone seems to love the kid.
I agree that the draft will be crazy,  
DonnieD89 : 4/28/2011 10:05 am : link
and with that said, even Gosselin will not be able to efficiently predict this draft. There are too many variables, with not prior FA moves, and the rumors have it that there is going to be a slew of trades in the 1st round. I take Gosselin's 2011 final mock draft with a grain of salt like other mock drafts this year.
I thought I saw a scroll blurb that WAS  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/28/2011 10:06 am : link
was trying to move down to acquire more picks.
Ralph...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2011 10:07 am : link
also said he heard one scout say don't be surprised if the Giants take Solder over the BC tackle.
I could see the Giants taking Solder in the scenario presented, but  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/28/2011 10:14 am : link
only if they feel he could develop into a Pro Bowl LT.

If they believe his ceiling is lower than that, I suspect they would take one of the more reliable run blockers, if they went o-line.

In the scenario presented, with Watts and Prince available, I do not think they would go o-line.
I think Ponder is gonna be great...  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 10:18 am : link
The only drawback on him has been the injuries... And by all reports (Senior Bowl, Combine, Pro Day), he's looked excellent since having his elbow cleaned out at the end of the season... Plus, the kid has an awful lot to like in terms of intangibles...
I think Solder is the one with the highest ceiling,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/28/2011 10:20 am : link
aside from perhaps Tyron. He hasn't filled out his frame yet so he will have initial power issues, but this kid lead all OTs in the 20 yard shuttle and was quicker than many TEs! All at 6'8". He's got the arm length, work ethic and most importantly, the feet to excel at OLT.
Bob exactly  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 10:21 am : link
it seems most all the top tackles project well as pro's however not so much at LT. If they feel Solder has much more upside at LT, THE MOST PREMIUM POSITION ON THE LINE, then I am all for it. Solder sounds like he can be better than Joe Staley in SF when he reaches full potential. If the Giants agree with that he is a very good pick at 19.
Not a big fan of trading up in this draft...  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 10:22 am : link
But if Reese/Ross had a VERY strong conviction about Nick Fairley, I can't say that I would be too upset about it...
the Giants love Giants LOL  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 10:23 am : link
this guy could be the one. If we pick him, hope he is a quick developer under Flaherty
Solder would be ok  
Jonny : 4/28/2011 10:25 am : link
but I want Pouncey or a DT
Matt Fairley is one of the only guys I'd do it for  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 10:27 am : link
IF the character stuff checks out. DE is a premium position but if you can land the rare DT that can give you double digit sack totals , he is even a greater impact than the DE.

Destroy the middle ,right up the gut with our DEs on the edges and a Qb will be in danger no matter where he goes.
Prince at 25!!!  
Andy in Halifax : 4/28/2011 10:28 am : link
Eff me, that's B-O-L-D
Also, I'd be totally cool with Solder  
Andy in Halifax : 4/28/2011 10:29 am : link
but if Quinn's there at 19...
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 4/28/2011 10:29 am : link
trade up for Fairley if he fell to 13. Fairley and Suh together for the Lions? Wowzas
Am I the only one who thinks Fairley is going to bust?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/28/2011 10:31 am : link
One year wonder with a bad body and poor workouts. Should not be a top 10 pick imo.
Suh has Warren Sapp  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 10:33 am : link
potential if not more. Fairley a touch below that. THat could be the most fiercesome DT duo in a looong time
Agree, if they are comfortable with him...  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 10:33 am : link
He would be the only guy that I would be happy to see them move up for (assuming Peterson and Dareus don't make it out of Top 5)... He's not on the level of Suh, but you just don't see many DTs dominate games the way Fairley did last season...
nope you don't  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 10:37 am : link
and if you compare Fairley's numbers last year to Suhs, they are pretty close. Measurable wise too, though Suh is a touch taller and heavier
I think the 'one year wonder' stuff on Fairley is a bit silly...  
Matt G : 4/28/2011 10:41 am : link
He dominated at the JUCO level and took a year to adjust to the jump in competition... Pretty understandable... And last year, he was DOMINANT in the toughest conference in college football... 21.0 tackles for loss and 10.5 sacks... His performances against LSU and Oregon (National Championship) were exceptional...

The bigger concern with Fairley would be that he takes some plays off... If a team feels like they can get that turned around, he has an incredible upside...

And there is almost always a high risk of busting on a DT...
good post Matt  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 10:44 am : link
the big question on him definitely isn't talent, it's character and drive.
Bowers out of round 1?  
KWALL : 4/28/2011 12:15 pm : link
I agree.

Ingram out of round 1? I think we can see that too.

SD will not make that pick. Liuget will be the guy for the Giants at 19.
Too Liuget to quit KWALL?  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 12:19 pm : link
It's not going to be Corey. He has bust written all over him at the NFL level.
Bust?  
KWALL : 4/28/2011 12:21 pm : link
What's missing?
his measurables aren't that great  
JerseyJoe : 4/28/2011 12:47 pm : link
and his height is just OK. He just doesn't translate. I think interior lineman would lock him up on this level.
He's very quick  
KWALL : 4/28/2011 1:21 pm : link
Plays with leverage, quickness and power.

His short shuttle was excellent. He almost beat RB Ingram. 4.62 to 4.68.

Given  
BigBlueCane : 4/28/2011 2:11 pm : link
The last few OT's the Giants picked in Beatty and the East Carolina kid have stunk I wouldn't be surprised if they take Solder at all. I also won't be surprised when he's a bust as well.
The AJC's mock draft has us also taking Solder  
Stu : 4/28/2011 3:09 pm : link
...
God  
Joey in VA : 4/28/2011 4:22 pm : link
I hate how we evaluate OL. I really really do. Looking at who we've nabbed on the OL, Solder fits the bill to a T. I get it, we have a passing offense, we have a franchise QB, we like to spread it out but GDammit I want a big bad hand punching motherfucker on the OL. We have ONE, I want more and I want more now.
Joey  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2011 4:24 pm : link
Bingo. A lean 6'8" tackle had better have some serious power and explosion in his initial punch, or else he's going to be a speed bump.
Joey  
Go Terps : 4/28/2011 4:25 pm : link
If we didn't take Iupati, it ain't happening. Not that I have a bitch with JPP, who looks excellent...but Iupati was my guy last year.
If it worked out this way, I'd be shocked if  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/28/2011 4:26 pm : link
Castonzo wasn't the pick.
Iupati  
RAIN : 4/28/2011 4:31 pm : link
had alot less polished than Pouncey. He was very raw in pass protection and had less flexibility inside. Our line would be nasty with Mike inside.
Pouncey ain't Iupati  
Go Terps : 4/28/2011 4:33 pm : link
Iupati was a rare guard prospect coming out. Just a monster.
I seem to remember....  
rptl530 : 4/28/2011 6:45 pm : link
quotes post draft last year about Iupati from Reese about how he wasn't a serious candidate because he didn't represent value as a Guard.

I've Googled and looked to find it, but can't. Maybe I'm completely misrembering it, though I don't think so.

We're going to have a shot at one of  
mattyb233 : 4/28/2011 9:21 pm : link
Quinn, Amukamara, Bowers, Fairley...wow
He did a heckuva job, as usual...  
Russel in VA : 4/29/2011 7:20 am : link
the one I was surprised about was JJ Watt. You can never tell what team is going to see value in a falling prospect (we did) but Watt was the quintessential 3-4 DE and the best of them almost always goes pretty high.
Great job by Gosselin...  
Matt G : 4/29/2011 9:09 am : link
Nails 8 out of Top 9 picks
Locker and Ponder going in the top 12,
Fairley sliding to DET at #13
Quinn sliding out of top 10
Solder going ahead of Castonzo
Amukamara sliding to #19
Bowers falling completely out of RD1

Per usual, all those "unrealistic" comments look very silly this morning...
Matt G  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2011 9:28 am : link
Nails 8 out of Top 9 picks
Not to trivialize Rick but outside of Locker none of the picks that he nailed were exactly surprises. Cowboys had been linked to Tyron Smith, Cleveland needed a WR badly for McCoy, and the top 5 I think everybody got the right players though maybe not the teams. Miller/Dareus could have been swapped just as Green/Peterson could have been

Locker and Ponder going in the top 12
Have to give Gosselin his props here as both guys were rising but I did not think that they would go as high as they did. I thought there would be a run on 3-4 DE's before a team like San Diego picked and you would see teams trying to trade up to jump Seattle and others

Fairley sliding to DET at #13
In the Top 10 the only realistic spot for Fairley was Tennessee and with them going Locker he fell

Quinn sliding out of top 10
Another case of a player with limited spots in the Top 10. Cleveland was a possibility at 6 or Washington at 10 but Cleveland also needed a WR (or they could trade as they did) and Washington received an offer they couldn't pass up for the 10th pick

Solder going ahead of Castonzo
While I think this was a bold prediction, I think it will backfire on New England

Amukamara sliding to #19
Thank god for this

Bowers falling completely out of RD1
When your knee is bone on bone you are going to drop, end of story
Ponder at 10...  
Chris in Philly : 4/29/2011 9:34 am : link
was completely unrealistic. He slid all the way to 12!
Mike in NY  
Matt G : 4/30/2011 11:43 am : link
With the benefit of hindsight, I understand full well why the draft broke down the way that it did... But Gosselin was the only who called it that way... If you want to say Top 9 was pretty easy, that's fine...

But no one had both Locker and Ponder in the Top 12; no one had Fairley falling to #13; no one had Amukamara falling past HOU and DET; very few had Quinn falling as far as he did and as easy as it is to talk about Bowers knee in retrospect, very few suggested that he would fall past Tampa at #20 let alone out of RD1 altogether...

My point was just that Gosselin went out on a limb with several of his predictions (scroll up just to see how "off his dial" many throught he was) and he had oustanding success... Really hard to argue it any other way...
Matt  
fkap : 4/30/2011 12:13 pm : link
one BBIer (Vin Cuccs?) reported that in the day or two prior to the draft he heard two different draft experts had Prince slipping into the 20's. Maybe they were copycatting Gosselin, and this isn't to take away from Gosseln. Just saying.
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