Video: All 25 Eli Manning Interceptions

Comparing Eli to Brees? Do his TD's and yards go up with 120 more attempts or just his INT's?

of a winning team that bashes that winning team moreso than Giants' "fans"?

How can we know?

There isn't. HA!

Who is bashing the team?

We are not really bashing Eli either.

We ARE pointing out things that the Eli butt boy club refuses to acknowledge....that poor accuracy, mechanics and decision making had lots to with his Int. numbers.

I never said his yards and TD won't go up but so do the Int which is the point of this discussion I don't care how many yards and TD you throw for.. 31 Int is inexcusable

isn't being realistic in regards to Eli? I understand you past conversations might have led you to that conclusion, but I don't see that here. Right?

"4,888 yards/38 TD's/31 INT's"

those numbers would suck too

several times of late, Eli has as much chance of throwing 25 ints again, as Osi does of forcing 10 fumbles again

Seriously? This group of mensa candidates should be evaluating:
"poor accuracy" (Yeah, who SHOULD he have thrown the ball to? YOU know how his checkdown list is broken down? You know who he was able to see, who was running the right route and who was and wasn't covered?

"mechanics" (Sorry, I forgot you guys are QB coaches and have the ability to evaluate our SB MVP winning QB's mechanics--my bad!)

"decision making" (See above comments on his accuracy then also add at this stage of his career if you are worried about Eli's accuracy, then I guess it is what it is and we are fucked if you think he's inaccurate)

that went into those INT's such as poor decisions, poor throws, dropped passes, an inexperienced WR corp for much of the 2nd half, hail mary's, trying to make something happen during a blowout, etc, etc...

Bottom line though, those 25 need to become 15 or so or the Giants will have trouble winning games or will at least have a hell of a lot harder time doing so.

I'd assume that's one thing we can all agree on.

thanks eclipz.

Accuracy - the instances are too numerous to point out...it boggles my mind that you have not seen numerous instances of Eli's inaccurate passes.

Mechanics - Joey hit the nail on the head. Watch the throws he made off back foot / without stepping into the throw.

Decision making - Lefty throw a pretty good place to start? How about forced throws into double teams.

Question - did you watch any of the games last year....particularly those in the 2nd half of last year. If so - can you really argue that Eli's trended in the wrong direction for all three above?

is a fairly strong exageration when every state BESIDES INTS were pretty much career highs.

That is why I think people tend to give you a hard time. You tend to focus on one thing, and one thing only, while seemingly dismissing many positives.

Is that fair?

That said, I think you have been fair lately, it's just when these black/white discussions take place that people dig their heels in.

I don't think ANYBODY disagrees that 25 picks is too high, or that Eli doesn't shoulder the blame, primarily. That's what I'm reading.

Even on the INT's that came clearly from a bad throw made by Manning there was definitely some really shitty luck involved on some of those plays. Some of the defenders were just in opportune spots following deflections, and some of them made incredibly athletic plays to get the pick. You'd figure at least a few of those passes would just hit the ground or be dropped by the DB, but it's hard to recall any plays where Eli was actually fortunate last season following a bad throw. I don't think the Giants could repeat a year like that if they tried (knock on wood).

as an Eli fanboy. Well, I AM an Eli fan. So like I said, when he's getting trashed, I'm going to call out some stuff, too.

But as has been said numerous times, it doesn't have to be either or, it's in the middle somewhere.

And that's what I've figured out. Sometimes, it's best to sit some out.

But there is no denying that there are people on this board who are only here to needle other posters. One or two specifically on this very thread. I don't put you in that category, Larry.

Its kind of fair....

I dismiss the good (from last year) because I think the 2nd half of last year was that bad.

The trend I mentioned was specific to last year only.....as in his accuracy, decision making and mechanics got worse as last year went on.

There is not black and white....I can both root for Eli and try to be objective in his play.

See Joey's write up (above) - his is right on the $$$.

without taking into account strength of schedule and WR health.

No sane person would say Eli doesn't need to improve. But, I also don't think it's fair to say that he is getting worse. You also have to realize the improvement in QB play, like in most things, is not always a linear function.

And I am not trying to needle anybody...

If I were, I might have told Randy to go and start a UFO thread in response to his comments re: Eli's accuracy, mechanics and decision making.

and force throws in the second half. 100%.

I just think there are multiple factors (5 different configurations of the o-line, revolving door at WR) that also factor in. In years past, when totals were much better, those were not issues at all.

I think putting it all on Eli is somewhat small minded. When we've had health on offense in years past, he's been trending upward every single year.

IMO, it's not coincidence that there could be a correlation between the health of the offense and Eli's performance.

I think as bad as his INT's where, he did a pretty damned good job in a couple of games where he was dealing with less than optimal health. Big games too, like the second Eagles game. Doesn't get much bigger than that, late in the season.

Fair and valid points.

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yet he needled! (The fuckhead)

I thought 9 was on Eli, just a bad throw, but 10 was on Nicks. He has to catch that ball.

Where I REALLY have to disagree with you is INT's 12 and 21. Nicks stopped running his route. You are aware that a QB throws the ball on a WR's break? How was Eli supposed to know that Nicks was going to stop running?

That tells me that 17 of the INT's were on Eli, 8 on his WR's. Some of them were horrible throws and/or bad decisions. #6 has to be one of the worst throws I've ever seen an NFL QB make. What was he thinking?

And sometimes, you just have to tip your hat to the DB. A couple were jsut good defensive plays; it's hard to "blame" anyone for it. A couple other insights - the INT to Smith in the Colts game is just something that happens. Smith had a step deep, Eli threw a decent enough ball, and the 2nd DB made a good play on it.

Some of the INT's in the GB game were downright ugly, but those also occurred when the Giants were losing badly, and throwing on every down.

passes as equaling "Eli is scared". Rather,he forces the ball, maybe to avoid a sack, maybe because his mindset is always running on "make a play" mode.I lean toward "make a play"(what else explains the lefty throws).

So, he makes some incredibly poor judgment decisions because of his "go for it" attitude.What's the result--well last year he had 25 INTs and 9 fumbles(I think)which contributed to the stat I can't dismiss and always repeat: 21% of all possessions resulted in turnovers.That's hard to accept and the QB has to bear the brunt of the criticism. I think it's an anomaly but it better not happen again.

He threw too many int's - we all know that. But let's be real 2 of those came on the last throws of a losing game (GB & PHI)

When you are losing and have to throw all the time, the % go up for more int's - you are 1 dimensional.

Once in a while, the D does make a good play, as guys dive for int.

Some are clearly the WR in the wrong spot or stopping the route (2nd Dallas game)

Obviously some are terrible throws, but every tipped ball went for an Int last year.

in their Eli-bashing, when you broke down the starters on the other 31 teams, what were your results? Just curious.
Thanks in advance.

but BB27, you show your anti-Eli bias when you describe it as a "wobbly, terribly thrown ball". It simply wasn't. And it wasn't triple coverage either. The 2nd DB came into the play late, he made a good play on the ball. Eli knew where the 3rd DB was (the deep safety), and he only came into the play after the ball was tipped. The Giants were down 14-0 at the time, sometimes you just have to take a shot.

To me, more problematic than the INT's are Eli's fumbles. It's one thing if he gets hit as he's throwing the ball, but a number of his fumbles occurred when he had 2 hands on the ball. Got to wrap it up.

ridiculous fumble where he didn't secure the ball and he was untouched--THAT is an example of "inexcusable" which I chalk up to a brain fart and I don't spend much time thinking about.

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Good work again man! You do a TD video next time. People will be a lot happier! : P

said he panicked and he was this close to being Joey Harrington.

isn't it possible Barden ran a poor route?

some of you are watching.

For example....kmed the throw to Barden was a "good throw"? Were talking about a 7 yard hook right in front of Eli. Barden could have caught it but it sure wasn't a good throw. Many of the tipped passes were not good throws.

And did somebody say only half of them are on ELi?

I do not see it as Eli looking or playing scared. I think he has too much confidence in his arm and he believes he can pull of the throws will fading away.

The guy is tough. He takes shots. I think he feels he can fade back, avoid the contact, and make the throw.

Sometimes he does but it also gets him in trouble. You can't throw floaters in the NFL. Guys like Cutler can make those throws. When Collins was here he could make these throws. But Eli's arm strength is not in that league.

He should try to cut down on the fadeaway throws and be more careful with the ball when rolling out especially to his left. If his feet are under him his ball floats too much and the accuracy drops.

keep reading the thread buddy. Someone already questioned it, I watched it closely again and ammended my response. It was not a good throw.

You're right,
kmed : 12:02 am
I would change that one on my list from good throw, dropped to bad throw, dropped. Def too high.

Let me know when he takes a hit in the pocket like Phil did. He will not as he is the master of back foot throwing. No surprise as to the frquency of high throws.

That left handed throw at the goal line last year resulting in an interception is a perfect example of Eli's propensity for making horrible decisions.

It could have been worse last year. Imagine all the passes he threw that were sure interceptions but the Will Allens of the world dropped them. So whats the under over with Eli this year on interceptions? 20?

Eli won the SB by throwing a hail Mary to Tyree into triple coverage. It worked and the rest is history. But that is not going to happen often against NFL top teams

So what's the solution(s) to the Giants quarterback woes?

That were on Eli. A couple of those may have been on the last play of game or half. 10 were on deflections.

the ball and dumb down the O

10 or so that were tipped, they weren't on the money in the numbers throws, but they were within reach and through hands of receivers that shoulda had them...

No Eli hasn't mastered the short throws keeping them low, he does have a propensity for them to sail, but that isn't because he throws everything off of his back foot. for all we know our OL didn't do a good enough job of opening up throwing lanes, maybe he just releases to high etc etc etc...

people want to rake Eli over the coals for that left handed scramble throw into the endzone. FFS!!!! the guy was running and trying to make something happen. that is 1000% more acceptable than some garbage throw in a pocket which resulted in 10+ of his other INT's. that play was all heart and effort. no it didn't result in a TD but if it had everyone on this board would have raging hard boners about their QB Eli and how fucking great he is.

the guy is an above average QB in the league right now, but he looked so much better in college. and in college it was all him, the guy didn't play for Florida or Texas or Oklahoma... fucking Ole Miss.

his throws were more crisp and on target back then. I think this has to do with the offense as a whole.

law of averages says he should have less INT's this year but our OL and WR have to help come together in order for this to become a reality.

hopefully it will

His brother, for example, had 7 and Mark Sanchez had 13 (!).

The idea that "it could have been worse" is, frankly, kind of laughable. He was pretty much, when you also account for all tipped/touched passes that went for INTs (whether they were his fault, the WRs' fault, etc is irrelevant) instead of just falling to the ground, he was pretty much the most unlucky QB in the NFL in 2010, regardless of what you think of his quality of play or what fair criticism one can make of it.

the ball was a little underthrown, but he let the db take it right from his hands, and more proof that #12 was not good on deep throws. good riddence to him

when our main WR's go down the offense goes from good yet clunky to Holy WTF Eli = Joey Harrington

was posted December 2010

please read

WSJ - Giants Receivers & Route Running - ( New Window )

yea, Eli never takes hits in the pocket...

Some people have no clue what they're watching.

Interviewing Gilbride and Michael Clayton on the complexity of the Giants' pass offense. I think its a must-read for everyone here.

thinking back to what Sean Ryan said, it is plausible that Barden shorted his route.

"The back foot", it's how he holds the ball in his hand, prepares to throw, turns the hips, flicks the wrist, position of the arm, the elbow, release point, times the throw, recognizes coverage, pump fakes, muscle memory (and a million other things ....

That's why when Chris Palmer left, he was basically left on his own. I don't really know if there's a QB coach of Palmer's equal (or credentials), but Eli could sure use one.

Ocho still hasn't picked up the Patriot system yet....wonder if that is worse than ours....Galloway couldn't pick it up last year and he was let go...but Brady still only threw 4 int's with that system....

I counted about 5 balls that were deflections for int's....and there was another int that shouldn't have counted because the defender was out of bounds......The long pass to Smith was woefully underthrown.....the underhanded pass in the endzone, stupid.....the first down interception in the end zone against Washington, stupid....

It's the int's on 1st down that really kill me....as for stupid throws, every QB throws them.....but like Animal Farm, some stupid throws are more stupid than others....

Eli is our qb, sink or swim....we have no backup....he goes down it's over....he has to eliminate the kind of throws previously mentioned and he has to get those passes down....

If I have to make one critique of Eli it's this....he doesn't tend to hit his receivers in stride....and with the speed these 3 guys have, it would be a plus if he did....

By the way, good job on recording those int's....