Video: All 25 Eli Manning Interceptions

You saved all the games and had them on your CPU? How much memory does that take up?

but one major rule is to never leave the ball high over the middle of the field. It could lead to a bunch of interception or get your receivers killed.

Should really take picks off of receivers hands onto account with the qb rating system

2 questionable ones werent his fault either ... wow he sucked vs philly

But there are a lot of bad decisions and terrible throws, too. Both Eli and the WRs need to tighten their shit up.

And worst video I've ever seen. There were about 5 tipped balls and about 2 or 3 bad routes. The rest seemed to be bad decisions.

I'd say less than half were on Eli

when you subtract tipped balls and incomplete routes?

I'd say around 10 were more on the receiver than the QB.

you can defend Eli by saying that a lot were tipped or receivers ran bad routes but the majority are bad decisions. There were too many passes that were thrown into extremely tight coverage, double and triple coverage and some where Eli forced it when pressured.

It's a sad reminder how we had to rely on Derek Hagan.

The games were around 5GB a piece, and that was low quality. They're all deleted now (couldn't get them off my PC fast enough).

I thought the Houston and Minnesota games were particularly brutal to watch, but at least the Houston game was well in control before the turnovers started flowing.

damn man! How do you get them from your tv to the PC? How much space does high quality take?

the receivers on some of those tips during the season but watching some of them I recant. They were bad throws or totally giving up on routes where it's amazing that the receiver was even athletic enough to get their hands on them. That Barden one stands out to me as one. Barden is like 6'7 and he had to jump, extend his arms over his head and the ball still only catches the tip of his fingers.

And had to shut it off. Good stuff though.

Eli sucks....ya think maybe we can trade him for a tackling dummy, a few water bottles and a clip board??

12ish clearly on Eli

3 of them could be both WR & QB (thinking of what are clear miscommunications)

and I've got some that are just really fucking good individual defensive efforts that fall under all 3 categories.

I also recall games like GB, Indy where a couple came in garbage time trying to force things.

All in all, about what I expected. A 25 INT season, Eli responsible for his usual 12-17 INTs, but this time an excessive amount of tips and outstanding defensive plays.

When the guy is on though and not throwing those picks? He can carve a D with the best of em.

thought I went back to delete/change but I guess not

Here's what I got:

1. Nicks(Good throw, drop)
2. AB(good throw, drop)
3. Barden(good throw, drop)
4. Eli
5. Nicks(good throw, drop)
6. Eli
7. Eli
8. Eli
9. Smith/Eli(bad throw, drop)
10. Nicks(same as above)
11. Eli
12. Nicks/Eli(50/50 fault, Nicks stopped his route, Eli still threw it)
13. Eli
14. Eli
15. Eli
16. Eli(hail mary at the end of the game)
17. Eli
18. Eli
19. Eli
20. Eli(tipped at the line)
21. Eli/Nicks(miscommunication again)
22. Eli
23. Eli
24. Eli(bad throw, drop)
25. Eli

So in conclusion:

14 INT's totally on Eli Manning.
1 INT tipped at the line, but still on Eli.
2 INT's based off Nicks not running his routes
4 INT's that were good throws and dropped.
3 INT's that were dropped, but not good throws.
1 Hail Mary

2 more probably on wideouts
4 combination of varying degrees QB/WR/Defense doing their homework and having recognition(hard to say)

The rest bad decision/bad throw/tip at LOS by defender with more of them being the bad decision variety, which game circumstances can certainly have an impact on.

At the harshest, you could put 18 of them on Eli
At the kindest, you could put 12 of them on Eli

Split the difference and blame Eli for 15

his WRs so its not really fair to separate them from Eli's total unless we have reason to believe that a larger share of Eli's were his receiver's fault as compared to other QBs.

where a large % of the dropped balls took bad bounces. Eli was still solely responsible for 14, IMO and a lot of those were bad decisions and awful throws.

thanks for this.

how many of 7 fumbles (5 lost) where the ground's fault???

Um, look down?

gravity- all of them

*were

you think #25 was on Eli? Not the best angle in that shot, but it looked like a catchable ball to me.

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it was an errant throw over the middle that was too hard and too high. I guess Smith(I think) could get some of the fault, but I have that one on Eli.

Alot more tipped pass than I recall. And too many from Nicks. Nicks has to hold on to those.

I've got 2 good throws that he dropped that turned into INT's, I've got 1 on a bad throw that hit both of his hands and I've got 2 based on him stopping his route and running the wrong route.

There are a whole lot of those that just bounced straight into some defender's hands.

19 on Eli, 6 not his fault. i think the nicks and barden ones in the carolina game were on Eli. they were shit throws. within 15 yards of the line, no pressure and he made the WR go out of his way, fully extending the arms trying to make the catch. thats eli's fault. watch brady (and others) throw from that distance. ball is thrown right between the numbers every time. QB has to put it there in that situation or its his fault. sorry.

ill defend eli all day, but i fell i'm being realistic about the INT from last year.

he jumps like he has something stuck up his ass. Weak.

Those passes were pretty much right there for both guys.

was 100% on Nicks and the ball has to come out. Let's see if I'm right. lol.

14 bad throws or bad decisions, 1 tip at the line and 3 that were bad throws that were dropped.

6 on the receivers and 1 hail mary.

it seems like any given Sunday anything could happen...but under normal circumstances half of those balls fall to the turf incomplete...just not in 2010 with the GIants...

Nicks' is thrown behind him. Should he have made the catch? Yes, but Eli should make a better throw there. No reason not to hit your target in the chest there. And Barden's was well over the head of a 6'6" man. Not a good throw.

I would change that one on my list from good throw, dropped to bad throw, dropped. Def too high.

Like in the 2007 home game vs Dallas TD pass to Shockey right in front of Roy Williams. Some of them are still catchable. And Barden barely had to jump for his, had no one in front of him, and has it bounce off his hands. Not every pass a QB throws is going to be in the numbers. Sometimes the QB has guys in his face, sometimes he is on the run. It happens. Not hitting the guy in the numbers doesn't mean it's uncatchable.

it's a timing route but you can see something is wrong there.

then again, the other option is getting smushed and he probably fumbles anyway. lol.

the pass to barden in the carolina was a 7 yard pass to a wide open 6 foot 6 WR from a QB standing in the pocket, in a clear passing lane, withno pressure. that has got to be dead on between the numbers every time. i dont care if wee-man is the WR it has to be a perfect throw.

It would be nice if every pass a WR attempted to catch was right in the numbers. Sure. But, it unforunately doesn't work that way. It was still a very catchable pass for a guy Bardens' size. He jumped, but not very high. He didn't have to battle any DB for the ball either. It could have been a better pass, I agree. But it still should've been caught given A) Bardens' size B) No DB to battle it out with. I mean, that is the biggest reason Barden is here. His size.

You can complain about Barden all you want - there is no earthly reason for that pass to be 5 feet over his head. None.

but it could have been caught. For as bad as it was, it hit off his hands, and the guy barely jumped.

it seemed like he got shorter jumping. that he could have just put his hands up and done the same thing

I think that he should take two things from these highlights.

1. Make better game situation decisions. For example on 3rd and 14, under pressure and rolling to your left, do not try to complete a pass to a receiver standing 3 yards downfield. If you are ahead by 18 points with 4 minutes left in the game and you are under pressure, throw the ball away or take the sack.

2. It seems that his high throws come early in the game. Seems like too much adrenaline. Calm yourself down.

Whenever he misses (mostly), he misses high.

THEN he would've been worth breaking the bank for...

is the refs fault for making an awful call

painful year. Eli played lights out by and large early in the year and got hosed by receiver tips and bad bounces. Later in the year he looked much worse (a lot of his receivers being out probably exacerbated this.)

In the end Eli is not Peyton or Brady, he is, ironically Brett Favre. He is a good to very good quarterback who is the toughest guy on the field (although Easy E sure don't look it). He takes a ton of chances in part because he always thinks he can make the throw. Not afraid to innovate.

The biggest difference between Brett and Eli is that Brett was good and made up the difference on emotion. Eli is good and makes up the difference on brains.

Eli may get better and become truly great. But probably not. More likely he will get an attendance pass in to the hall of fame. That is between brains and toughness there is a good chance he will play well for another 10 or even 12 years and thus make the Hall the way Brett will, on accumulated stats.

...and try to figure out how many are on the receiver and how many are on the QB...

...no one should take Eli's "reduced" count as evidence that he wasn't so bad in the INT department.

Why?

Because you would have to do this for every QB in the NFL... and then parse out every INT for at least 32 QBs...

...and you know what you would come up with?

When you finish this project in 2015 you'll come to the following conclusion:

Eli sucked in the INT department in 2010.

but it does give you more hope for improvment if a large number of them came from WR inexperience.

Early in the year, it was a lot of tipped balls. Later in the year, after the rash of injuries at WR, it was Eli making some poor decisions & forcing some throws.

needs to play better. You know it, I know it, Coughlin knows it and Eli knows it.

I'm betting on Eli.

were running bad routes.

...I always got the sense from last year that the first 5 or so were because of receivers not catching the ball, and then Eli started to press.

were all catchable balls, being recievers got their hands on them. There were mixed results beyond that. He definately gets a raw deal being that 25 int go on his stats. Recievers need to do a better job with those hot balls.

interceptions is an exercise in futility.

But thanks for the effort eclipz, nice video.

There were clearly some bad throws - I would say 7 were really bad throws. I would say 3 or 4 are good defensive plays. 3 or 4 are route issues. There are plenty of going through receiver hands. A few at end of games.

I think he throws 16 ints this yr and 30 td's

For as much as we praise Nicks, he does have plenty go through his hands

Was younger he threw a lot of passes very low. He didn't complete all of them but those low ones almost never got picked off.

you rock, thanks for doing this!

were poor decisions and/or poor throws (the left handed Tenn one and both at Houston come to mind), but we really don't know how many of those were actually Eli's fault since we don't know whether the routes were run correctly, etc.

Obviously several of those (probably 6 or so) are balls that need to be caught and the last 2 or 3 at GB were prayers in a blowout loss that otherwise wouldn't have been thrown had the game been competitive.

thanks very much for the video.

dorgan is correct on all counts.

Is the type of throw that is really frustrating to see. He has probably stayed healthy this long because of the back foot "chuck and duck" but it often results in underthrown balls as seen here. The worst part is he does this technique even when there is no threat of contact. I don't blame him for trying to avoid contact though.

I think when seen live my friends refer to it as the "Eli backfoot pu••y throw".

and where the ints were the receivers' fault, if they were on third down, if they would have resulted in a first down, and predict where the drive would have gone and ultimate impact of the game based on computer simulation?

that's why he stays healthy... Where do people come up with this shit?

half were the receivers fault, but the half that were Eli's fault were either awful throws or awful decisions.

Of the old Denver Broncos of the 60s. He was the first guy who I heard say "if you can touch it, you can catch it". Sounds good, but realistically, not going to happen.

Eli just can't make every throw a jump ball (especially straight up the middle) and not expect that BAD things are not going to happen, very often.

You body is straining to stay in the air; you need a perfectly thrown ball to catch (just the right speed and position); enough time to control the ball, make account for tacklers coming at you and figure out where you're going to land and not break something - all in a split second. All this, in a helpless position, surrounded by people with bad intentions.

Guys he had 25 INTS and was very careless with the football, along with the entire team. Time to step up.

Eli needs to get his stuff together.. Enough with the excuses .

Eli sucks and is a major pussy who throws off his backfoot to stay away from contact: if he wasnt a manning.....

10 fewer ints this year would be nice and isn't too much to ask 4

fault that our receivers always have 3 guys around them? As I always say its the system... its designed to create the smallest window possible to put the football in, and if not CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!

or do you think Eli just throws it to the guy who is the MOST covered?

pffft that

I counted

1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 9 / 10 / 13 / 15 / 25 that seemed to be direct tips to the other team that coulda/shoulda/woulda been caught by the receivers

one thing I know is that if they don't get their act together the season will end much the same as last year

There are only 11 guys on Defense.. If Nicks has 3 guys around him that mean Mario AB or Boss or somebody else is in single coverage.. Eli doesn't have to throw the ball to the guy who is triple coverage
No excuse to force passes into double and triple coverage.. Especially high inaccurate passes... Tipped balls in the middle of the field spells trouble

pass to Steve Smith should've been caught.. LOL a under thrown deep ball thrown into triple coverage should've been caught
You make throws like that your just asking for it to be picked off

should be on the QB. That throw to Smith is on Eli, IMO. The throw wasn't terrible, but the decision to throw it was.

was woefully under thrown and wobbly.. It basically was a jump ball Smith versus 3 Colt Defensive backs

how bad the throw was, but the decision to throw it into triple coverage was just bad.

5 Were WR gaffes, the rest are all squarely on #10. Some of those throws were into double coverage, were late, or he just flat out telegraphed his throws.

The one thing he does on most that absolutely kill me, is that he's going backwards and not anywhere near the proper mechanics that a 7 year NFL QB should have. Even the tipped passes were sailing because he has a tendency STILL to throw off of his back foot and back away from getting hit. Trying to keep a play alive is one thing, but playing scared is another and that compilation, for the first time has shown me what a lot of people see and complain about with Eli...that he looks scared out there.

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If I was an opposing player I would get the impression that Eli was easily rattled and that even a bit of pressure will cause him to lose focus and his mechanics go out the window. The formula is pretty easy, put a hand in his face and you have a shot to completely derail the offense.

However I have to agree with Britt. Seeing a TV tape of the INT without knowing the play and route is not going to give us an accurate assessment. It would only help in obvious situations like the left handed throw, however, I think that throw takes more grief then it should.

Id say about 15 or 16 of Elis 25 picks were his fault. The rest of them were on the receivers.

As we all remember, more often they were Eli's fault later on in the season, but the first 5 or 6 weeks his WR really f--ed him over.

If he throws 30+ TDs and 15 INT this year I will take it. Eli will never be an elite HOF caliber QB- but he certainly has the ability to be on the fringe of that top 10 range. We could do a lot worse than Eli- he just needs to take care of the ball better.

Eli sucxes and we'll never win with him.

many times by Reese. He needs to throw the ball away more or take the sack. Again, as stated by Reese, that sometimes is th e best play.

I'm not sure if you gt my sarcasm in my post or not...

additionally, you are right, Eli doesn't have to throw into triple coverage, but what would you rather he do, take a coverage sack?

I hate this shit because it just rev's me up and i get into it every year. I dislike this system as it seems too hit or miss, too risk reward and well thats just how it played out last year. I'm not talking about the system anymore.

And RE: Eli, I seriously doubt you are saying he is a bad QB because its his fault that he throws into triple coverage like he does.


i don't care how bad i get blasted cuz im used to it by now so whatever i think what i think and nothing will change it

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does him any favors. Some of the play-calling (especially to start the game, on the road) is suspect.

For instance, the first Dallas game- hostile crowd, road game, division rival, and they throw a high risk pas right off the bat. That is on Eli, but they need to get him into a rhythm early.

Joey and mfjmfj hit the nail on the head.

They made the exact points I have been making (and arguing) since last year.

I most definately HOPE for improved play from Eli this year, but (IMO) these videos give very little reason to EXPECT improved play.

Also - while I do not consider Eli in the Brady / Peyton elite level, I liked reading that he considered himself in that level.

If you have 3-4 guys out in the pattern, the Defense can't triple cover everybody.. You find the single coverage and throw it to that guy.. Football 101
Don't tell me he doesn't have a guy who can catch the short dump off because Ab caught 47 balls out of the backfield last season.. You throw inaccurately into triple coverage and you get a 25 Int season
The "system" isn't making Eli Manning force throws.. This is the same "system" Eli played in when he threw a career low 10 picks in 2008 (With average WR talent)
Eli has to make better decisions same with AB and the entire Offense. We have talent, the big plays will be there just protect the ball and stop beating yourself

so any INT that was of the 50-50 variety, I placed the blame on Eli.

I counted 16 INTS that were Eli's "fault"

It could have been lower due to bad routes but I wasn't sure so I put the blame on #10.

Last year was just rididulous.

and like many have said on this thread, no matter how many INTs were not on Eli, he still has to protect the ball and play better in 2011. Even 16 ints is too many.

Exactly.

NFL QB's cannot be careless with the ball.....period.

This endless debate (although an amusing way to pass the work day) makes no sense to me.

The video does not lie.

While I care about his other numbers, they are a distant 2nd because of the turnovers and Eli's carleseness last season.

for the 2008 Manning yesterday, today and tomorrow. The added yardage and TD's are offset by the rash of turnovers.

Sometimes, taking a sack is okay if it can prevent a turnover. Throwing the ball away and living to fight another play is never a bad thing. However, "trying to make a play" and then throwing a pick that the other team run back into your territory puts incredible strain on the defense to bail you out. Sometimes it can. Other times, it can't.

The lefty pass against the Titans. WTF was that?

to break down the film, however:

The 25 INTs still stand--3 more than Drew Brees, as you know. Though Eli had two more TDs. I just point that out as the Eli-detractors here would just as soon fellate Brees and his abilities as they would bash their favorite team's QB.

No shit that we need him to throw less this year in order for us to win.

Hearing you cocksuckers beat that ridiculous drum over and over is just fucking monotonous though. I mean really? That's your fucking point?

Thanks for the insight, Einsteins. But the point remains that we are lucking to have him as our QB. The second point is fuck you.

in order to win the game. So what? Fuck you. And larry too with his bullshit mantra like Eli's 25 INTs wasn't an anomaly.

I hear you,

I also get irritated that we don't "check down" enough... seems like other teams do it to us alot more.

But i notice alot that when we have 1 or 2 RB's in the backfield alot of time they don't come out for a dump off. they hang around the pocket even if not necessarily blocking people.

I can't imagine that they are taught to do that, but i agree that these guys should be in the flats every time...

its an issue i've had for years that they just don't seem to do, unless its a designed play for the RB...

Brees 660 pass attempts

Eli 540 pass attempts

Brees threw the ball 120 more times then Eli in 2010 .. How many Int's would Eli have if he had another 120 pass attempts
Brees had no run game at all in N.O

he's gonna throw INTs. But he's also gonna throw TDs and make plays. I don't want Eli to lose that agressiveness. What he needs to do is improve his mechanics at certain times. Every now n then he will throw off balance or off his back foot. Sometimes this works out ok but far too often bad things happen.

Then again, the guy never gets hurt and a major reason why is because he gets rid of the ball quickly and WILL throw off his back foot.

like the reciever wasn't in the spot where Eli expected him to be. One of them was clearly with Hakeem Nicks (I think against GB), but it seemed like more of a recurring theme with Eli and Manningham. Hopefully their chemistry improves this year.

Also, although its hard to do so, we should take into account the situation. 2 int's were thrown in desparation when the game was pretty much already over (one against Philly and one against GB).

"And larry too with his bullshit mantra like Eli's 25 INTs wasn't an anomaly."

Nice language (but I have been called much worse). I guess its not a family channel anymore.

Here's the thing - How do we know its an anamoly? I certainly hope it is, but there is no way for any of us to know.

Bigblueinchicago def. got it right - we all would trade the '10 Manning for the '08 Manning.

he would have had 4,888 yards with 38 TD's and 31 INT's.

with more attempts?

Look at his history and you tell me. Either way, the constant beating of this futile and disloyal drum is ridiculous. Hey, don't watch the games if it upsets you so much?

that Gillbride confirmed that receivers weren't always where they were supposed to be.

On every Int thrown to Super Mario he was double covered (besides the last 1).. they were all poor decisions .. If anything the tips came from Hakeem Nicks and Steve Smith

Eli:

4,888 yards/38 TD's/31 INT's

Brees:

4,620 yards/33 TD's/22 INT's

Brees' penis taste?

I am beating nothing.

I have been called every name in the book by you and the rest of the Eli butt boy club, and with this thread I finally have some company re: Eli's play last year.

I have never rooted against him, but am critical of his play last year.

As I said, I hope he improves, but see no reason to expect that he will. I don't get how anybody can objectively say that they EXPECT HIM TO IMPROVE.

Either way - grow the fuck up and/or re-attach your set of balls, and stop getting so worked up on a football website.

to point out pretentious criticisms of your own team. Start being genuine? And loyal?

This is what happens when the facts don't support your weak argument.. You result to petty name calling
Sorry Randy I'm not going to play that game with you

Comparing Eli to Brees? Do his TD's and yards go up with 120 more attempts or just his INT's?

of a winning team that bashes that winning team moreso than Giants' "fans"?

How can we know?

There isn't. HA!

Who is bashing the team?

We are not really bashing Eli either.

We ARE pointing out things that the Eli butt boy club refuses to acknowledge....that poor accuracy, mechanics and decision making had lots to with his Int. numbers.

I never said his yards and TD won't go up but so do the Int which is the point of this discussion I don't care how many yards and TD you throw for.. 31 Int is inexcusable

isn't being realistic in regards to Eli? I understand you past conversations might have led you to that conclusion, but I don't see that here. Right?

"4,888 yards/38 TD's/31 INT's"

those numbers would suck too

several times of late, Eli has as much chance of throwing 25 ints again, as Osi does of forcing 10 fumbles again

Seriously? This group of mensa candidates should be evaluating:
"poor accuracy" (Yeah, who SHOULD he have thrown the ball to? YOU know how his checkdown list is broken down? You know who he was able to see, who was running the right route and who was and wasn't covered?

"mechanics" (Sorry, I forgot you guys are QB coaches and have the ability to evaluate our SB MVP winning QB's mechanics--my bad!)

"decision making" (See above comments on his accuracy then also add at this stage of his career if you are worried about Eli's accuracy, then I guess it is what it is and we are fucked if you think he's inaccurate)

that went into those INT's such as poor decisions, poor throws, dropped passes, an inexperienced WR corp for much of the 2nd half, hail mary's, trying to make something happen during a blowout, etc, etc...

Bottom line though, those 25 need to become 15 or so or the Giants will have trouble winning games or will at least have a hell of a lot harder time doing so.

I'd assume that's one thing we can all agree on.

thanks eclipz.

Accuracy - the instances are too numerous to point out...it boggles my mind that you have not seen numerous instances of Eli's inaccurate passes.

Mechanics - Joey hit the nail on the head. Watch the throws he made off back foot / without stepping into the throw.

Decision making - Lefty throw a pretty good place to start? How about forced throws into double teams.

Question - did you watch any of the games last year....particularly those in the 2nd half of last year. If so - can you really argue that Eli's trended in the wrong direction for all three above?

is a fairly strong exageration when every state BESIDES INTS were pretty much career highs.

That is why I think people tend to give you a hard time. You tend to focus on one thing, and one thing only, while seemingly dismissing many positives.

Is that fair?

That said, I think you have been fair lately, it's just when these black/white discussions take place that people dig their heels in.

I don't think ANYBODY disagrees that 25 picks is too high, or that Eli doesn't shoulder the blame, primarily. That's what I'm reading.

Even on the INT's that came clearly from a bad throw made by Manning there was definitely some really shitty luck involved on some of those plays. Some of the defenders were just in opportune spots following deflections, and some of them made incredibly athletic plays to get the pick. You'd figure at least a few of those passes would just hit the ground or be dropped by the DB, but it's hard to recall any plays where Eli was actually fortunate last season following a bad throw. I don't think the Giants could repeat a year like that if they tried (knock on wood).

as an Eli fanboy. Well, I AM an Eli fan. So like I said, when he's getting trashed, I'm going to call out some stuff, too.

But as has been said numerous times, it doesn't have to be either or, it's in the middle somewhere.

And that's what I've figured out. Sometimes, it's best to sit some out.

But there is no denying that there are people on this board who are only here to needle other posters. One or two specifically on this very thread. I don't put you in that category, Larry.

Its kind of fair....

I dismiss the good (from last year) because I think the 2nd half of last year was that bad.

The trend I mentioned was specific to last year only.....as in his accuracy, decision making and mechanics got worse as last year went on.

There is not black and white....I can both root for Eli and try to be objective in his play.

See Joey's write up (above) - his is right on the $$$.

without taking into account strength of schedule and WR health.

No sane person would say Eli doesn't need to improve. But, I also don't think it's fair to say that he is getting worse. You also have to realize the improvement in QB play, like in most things, is not always a linear function.

And I am not trying to needle anybody...

If I were, I might have told Randy to go and start a UFO thread in response to his comments re: Eli's accuracy, mechanics and decision making.

and force throws in the second half. 100%.

I just think there are multiple factors (5 different configurations of the o-line, revolving door at WR) that also factor in. In years past, when totals were much better, those were not issues at all.

I think putting it all on Eli is somewhat small minded. When we've had health on offense in years past, he's been trending upward every single year.

IMO, it's not coincidence that there could be a correlation between the health of the offense and Eli's performance.

I think as bad as his INT's where, he did a pretty damned good job in a couple of games where he was dealing with less than optimal health. Big games too, like the second Eagles game. Doesn't get much bigger than that, late in the season.

Fair and valid points.

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yet he needled! (The fuckhead)

I thought 9 was on Eli, just a bad throw, but 10 was on Nicks. He has to catch that ball.

Where I REALLY have to disagree with you is INT's 12 and 21. Nicks stopped running his route. You are aware that a QB throws the ball on a WR's break? How was Eli supposed to know that Nicks was going to stop running?

That tells me that 17 of the INT's were on Eli, 8 on his WR's. Some of them were horrible throws and/or bad decisions. #6 has to be one of the worst throws I've ever seen an NFL QB make. What was he thinking?

And sometimes, you just have to tip your hat to the DB. A couple were jsut good defensive plays; it's hard to "blame" anyone for it. A couple other insights - the INT to Smith in the Colts game is just something that happens. Smith had a step deep, Eli threw a decent enough ball, and the 2nd DB made a good play on it.

Some of the INT's in the GB game were downright ugly, but those also occurred when the Giants were losing badly, and throwing on every down.

passes as equaling "Eli is scared". Rather,he forces the ball, maybe to avoid a sack, maybe because his mindset is always running on "make a play" mode.I lean toward "make a play"(what else explains the lefty throws).

So, he makes some incredibly poor judgment decisions because of his "go for it" attitude.What's the result--well last year he had 25 INTs and 9 fumbles(I think)which contributed to the stat I can't dismiss and always repeat: 21% of all possessions resulted in turnovers.That's hard to accept and the QB has to bear the brunt of the criticism. I think it's an anomaly but it better not happen again.

He threw too many int's - we all know that. But let's be real 2 of those came on the last throws of a losing game (GB & PHI)

When you are losing and have to throw all the time, the % go up for more int's - you are 1 dimensional.

Once in a while, the D does make a good play, as guys dive for int.

Some are clearly the WR in the wrong spot or stopping the route (2nd Dallas game)

Obviously some are terrible throws, but every tipped ball went for an Int last year.

in their Eli-bashing, when you broke down the starters on the other 31 teams, what were your results? Just curious.
Thanks in advance.

but BB27, you show your anti-Eli bias when you describe it as a "wobbly, terribly thrown ball". It simply wasn't. And it wasn't triple coverage either. The 2nd DB came into the play late, he made a good play on the ball. Eli knew where the 3rd DB was (the deep safety), and he only came into the play after the ball was tipped. The Giants were down 14-0 at the time, sometimes you just have to take a shot.

To me, more problematic than the INT's are Eli's fumbles. It's one thing if he gets hit as he's throwing the ball, but a number of his fumbles occurred when he had 2 hands on the ball. Got to wrap it up.

ridiculous fumble where he didn't secure the ball and he was untouched--THAT is an example of "inexcusable" which I chalk up to a brain fart and I don't spend much time thinking about.

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Good work again man! You do a TD video next time. People will be a lot happier! : P

said he panicked and he was this close to being Joey Harrington.

isn't it possible Barden ran a poor route?

some of you are watching.

For example....kmed the throw to Barden was a "good throw"? Were talking about a 7 yard hook right in front of Eli. Barden could have caught it but it sure wasn't a good throw. Many of the tipped passes were not good throws.

And did somebody say only half of them are on ELi?

I do not see it as Eli looking or playing scared. I think he has too much confidence in his arm and he believes he can pull of the throws will fading away.

The guy is tough. He takes shots. I think he feels he can fade back, avoid the contact, and make the throw.

Sometimes he does but it also gets him in trouble. You can't throw floaters in the NFL. Guys like Cutler can make those throws. When Collins was here he could make these throws. But Eli's arm strength is not in that league.

He should try to cut down on the fadeaway throws and be more careful with the ball when rolling out especially to his left. If his feet are under him his ball floats too much and the accuracy drops.

keep reading the thread buddy. Someone already questioned it, I watched it closely again and ammended my response. It was not a good throw.

You're right,
kmed : 12:02 am
I would change that one on my list from good throw, dropped to bad throw, dropped. Def too high.

Let me know when he takes a hit in the pocket like Phil did. He will not as he is the master of back foot throwing. No surprise as to the frquency of high throws.

That left handed throw at the goal line last year resulting in an interception is a perfect example of Eli's propensity for making horrible decisions.

It could have been worse last year. Imagine all the passes he threw that were sure interceptions but the Will Allens of the world dropped them. So whats the under over with Eli this year on interceptions? 20?

Eli won the SB by throwing a hail Mary to Tyree into triple coverage. It worked and the rest is history. But that is not going to happen often against NFL top teams

So what's the solution(s) to the Giants quarterback woes?

That were on Eli. A couple of those may have been on the last play of game or half. 10 were on deflections.

the ball and dumb down the O

10 or so that were tipped, they weren't on the money in the numbers throws, but they were within reach and through hands of receivers that shoulda had them...

No Eli hasn't mastered the short throws keeping them low, he does have a propensity for them to sail, but that isn't because he throws everything off of his back foot. for all we know our OL didn't do a good enough job of opening up throwing lanes, maybe he just releases to high etc etc etc...

people want to rake Eli over the coals for that left handed scramble throw into the endzone. FFS!!!! the guy was running and trying to make something happen. that is 1000% more acceptable than some garbage throw in a pocket which resulted in 10+ of his other INT's. that play was all heart and effort. no it didn't result in a TD but if it had everyone on this board would have raging hard boners about their QB Eli and how fucking great he is.

the guy is an above average QB in the league right now, but he looked so much better in college. and in college it was all him, the guy didn't play for Florida or Texas or Oklahoma... fucking Ole Miss.

his throws were more crisp and on target back then. I think this has to do with the offense as a whole.

law of averages says he should have less INT's this year but our OL and WR have to help come together in order for this to become a reality.

hopefully it will

His brother, for example, had 7 and Mark Sanchez had 13 (!).

The idea that "it could have been worse" is, frankly, kind of laughable. He was pretty much, when you also account for all tipped/touched passes that went for INTs (whether they were his fault, the WRs' fault, etc is irrelevant) instead of just falling to the ground, he was pretty much the most unlucky QB in the NFL in 2010, regardless of what you think of his quality of play or what fair criticism one can make of it.

the ball was a little underthrown, but he let the db take it right from his hands, and more proof that #12 was not good on deep throws. good riddence to him

when our main WR's go down the offense goes from good yet clunky to Holy WTF Eli = Joey Harrington

was posted December 2010

please read

WSJ - Giants Receivers & Route Running - ( New Window )

yea, Eli never takes hits in the pocket...

Some people have no clue what they're watching.

Interviewing Gilbride and Michael Clayton on the complexity of the Giants' pass offense. I think its a must-read for everyone here.

thinking back to what Sean Ryan said, it is plausible that Barden shorted his route.

"The back foot", it's how he holds the ball in his hand, prepares to throw, turns the hips, flicks the wrist, position of the arm, the elbow, release point, times the throw, recognizes coverage, pump fakes, muscle memory (and a million other things ....

That's why when Chris Palmer left, he was basically left on his own. I don't really know if there's a QB coach of Palmer's equal (or credentials), but Eli could sure use one.

Ocho still hasn't picked up the Patriot system yet....wonder if that is worse than ours....Galloway couldn't pick it up last year and he was let go...but Brady still only threw 4 int's with that system....

I counted about 5 balls that were deflections for int's....and there was another int that shouldn't have counted because the defender was out of bounds......The long pass to Smith was woefully underthrown.....the underhanded pass in the endzone, stupid.....the first down interception in the end zone against Washington, stupid....

It's the int's on 1st down that really kill me....as for stupid throws, every QB throws them.....but like Animal Farm, some stupid throws are more stupid than others....

Eli is our qb, sink or swim....we have no backup....he goes down it's over....he has to eliminate the kind of throws previously mentioned and he has to get those passes down....

If I have to make one critique of Eli it's this....he doesn't tend to hit his receivers in stride....and with the speed these 3 guys have, it would be a plus if he did....

By the way, good job on recording those int's....