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Video: All 25 Eli Manning Interceptions

eclipz928 : 8/16/2011 10:51 pm
I put together a crude video that exclusively concentrates on each of Eli's interceptions from last season. Figured it would be helpful in ending a couple debates concerning Eli's turnovers from last season, and also for starting some new ones. Hopefully at least some of you find something like this useful in aiding in your own personal of evaluation of Eli's 2010 season. Go ahead and check it out.


Disclaimer: I'm not a professional by any means and I don't know much about video editing, so I apologize in advance that this isn't the "neatest" production put together. Also the video won't be up very long so if you're gonna look at it do it soon.
Eli Interceptions - ( New Window )
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if Smith would've caught INT #4  
SHO'NUFF : 8/17/2011 1:06 am : link
THEN he would've been worth breaking the bank for...
#22  
shockey8080 : 8/17/2011 3:14 am : link
is the refs fault for making an awful call
That painful video mostly confirmed my recollection of a  
mfjmfj : 8/17/2011 3:43 am : link
painful year. Eli played lights out by and large early in the year and got hosed by receiver tips and bad bounces. Later in the year he looked much worse (a lot of his receivers being out probably exacerbated this.)

In the end Eli is not Peyton or Brady, he is, ironically Brett Favre. He is a good to very good quarterback who is the toughest guy on the field (although Easy E sure don't look it). He takes a ton of chances in part because he always thinks he can make the throw. Not afraid to innovate.

The biggest difference between Brett and Eli is that Brett was good and made up the difference on emotion. Eli is good and makes up the difference on brains.

Eli may get better and become truly great. But probably not. More likely he will get an attendance pass in to the hall of fame. That is between brains and toughness there is a good chance he will play well for another 10 or even 12 years and thus make the Hall the way Brett will, on accumulated stats.
As we dissect Eli's INTs...  
M.S. : 8/17/2011 4:12 am : link
...and try to figure out how many are on the receiver and how many are on the QB...

...no one should take Eli's "reduced" count as evidence that he wasn't so bad in the INT department.

Why?

Because you would have to do this for every QB in the NFL... and then parse out every INT for at least 32 QBs...

...and you know what you would come up with?

When you finish this project in 2015 you'll come to the following conclusion:

Eli sucked in the INT department in 2010.
M.S. is right  
Jolly Blue Giant : 8/17/2011 6:36 am : link
but it does give you more hope for improvment if a large number of them came from WR inexperience.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 8/17/2011 7:03 am : link
Early in the year, it was a lot of tipped balls. Later in the year, after the rash of injuries at WR, it was Eli making some poor decisions & forcing some throws.
Eli  
dorgan : 8/17/2011 7:06 am : link
needs to play better. You know it, I know it, Coughlin knows it and Eli knows it.

I'm betting on Eli.
I got 17-18 on Eli but that's not knowing how many  
Blue21 : 8/17/2011 7:16 am : link
were running bad routes.
Great vid, thanks for posting...  
SB : 8/17/2011 7:24 am : link
...I always got the sense from last year that the first 5 or so were because of receivers not catching the ball, and then Eli started to press.
The first 5  
giantranger : 8/17/2011 7:25 am : link
were all catchable balls, being recievers got their hands on them. There were mixed results beyond that. He definately gets a raw deal being that 25 int go on his stats. Recievers need to do a better job with those hot balls.
Trying to assign blame to the individual....  
Britt in VA : 8/17/2011 7:31 am : link
interceptions is an exercise in futility.

But thanks for the effort eclipz, nice video.
Int's  
stretch234 : 8/17/2011 7:33 am : link
There were clearly some bad throws - I would say 7 were really bad throws. I would say 3 or 4 are good defensive plays. 3 or 4 are route issues. There are plenty of going through receiver hands. A few at end of games.

I think he throws 16 ints this yr and 30 td's

For as much as we praise Nicks, he does have plenty go through his hands
When Eli  
Life Long Giants Fan : 8/17/2011 7:37 am : link
Was younger he threw a lot of passes very low. He didn't complete all of them but those low ones almost never got picked off.
eclipz928  
Andy in Halifax : 8/17/2011 8:05 am : link
you rock, thanks for doing this!
Many of those....  
rptl530 : 8/17/2011 8:18 am : link
were poor decisions and/or poor throws (the left handed Tenn one and both at Houston come to mind), but we really don't know how many of those were actually Eli's fault since we don't know whether the routes were run correctly, etc.

Obviously several of those (probably 6 or so) are balls that need to be caught and the last 2 or 3 at GB were prayers in a blowout loss that otherwise wouldn't have been thrown had the game been competitive.
Also...  
rptl530 : 8/17/2011 8:19 am : link
thanks very much for the video.
In the end here  
GMenLTS : 8/17/2011 8:23 am : link
dorgan is correct on all counts.

#8.. The old Chuck n Duck  
GiantCuse : 8/17/2011 8:29 am : link
Is the type of throw that is really frustrating to see. He has probably stayed healthy this long because of the back foot "chuck and duck" but it often results in underthrown balls as seen here. The worst part is he does this technique even when there is no threat of contact. I don't blame him for trying to avoid contact though.

I think when seen live my friends refer to it as the "Eli backfoot pu••y throw".
Alright who wants to go the next step  
jgambrosio : 8/17/2011 8:38 am : link
and where the ints were the receivers' fault, if they were on third down, if they would have resulted in a first down, and predict where the drive would have gone and ultimate impact of the game based on computer simulation?
yes  
GMenLTS : 8/17/2011 8:38 am : link
that's why he stays healthy... Where do people come up with this shit?
I Would Say  
Bernie : 8/17/2011 9:01 am : link
half were the receivers fault, but the half that were Eli's fault were either awful throws or awful decisions.
Some of you old-timers may remember Lionel Thomas ...  
Manny in CA : 8/17/2011 9:03 am : link
Of the old Denver Broncos of the 60s. He was the first guy who I heard say "if you can touch it, you can catch it". Sounds good, but realistically, not going to happen.

Eli just can't make every throw a jump ball (especially straight up the middle) and not expect that BAD things are not going to happen, very often.

You body is straining to stay in the air; you need a perfectly thrown ball to catch (just the right speed and position); enough time to control the ball, make account for tacklers coming at you and figure out where you're going to land and not break something - all in a split second. All this, in a helpless position, surrounded by people with bad intentions.
Stats don't lie....  
ada34ada : 8/17/2011 9:04 am : link
Guys he had 25 INTS and was very careless with the football, along with the entire team. Time to step up.
How many terrible passes thrown into coverage?  
Big Brandon27 : 8/17/2011 9:17 am : link
Eli needs to get his stuff together.. Enough with the excuses .
In the end  
KWhite2250 : 8/17/2011 9:23 am : link
Eli sucks and is a major pussy who throws off his backfoot to stay away from contact: if he wasnt a manning.....
nice work eclipz928  
dvb : 8/17/2011 9:24 am : link
10 fewer ints this year would be nice and isn't too much to ask 4
is it Eli's  
whobetta : 8/17/2011 9:32 am : link
fault that our receivers always have 3 guys around them? As I always say its the system... its designed to create the smallest window possible to put the football in, and if not CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!

or do you think Eli just throws it to the guy who is the MOST covered?

pffft that

I counted

1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 9 / 10 / 13 / 15 / 25 that seemed to be direct tips to the other team that coulda/shoulda/woulda been caught by the receivers

one thing I know is that if they don't get their act together the season will end much the same as last year



whoebetta  
Big Brandon27 : 8/17/2011 9:35 am : link
There are only 11 guys on Defense.. If Nicks has 3 guys around him that mean Mario AB or Boss or somebody else is in single coverage.. Eli doesn't have to throw the ball to the guy who is triple coverage
No excuse to force passes into double and triple coverage.. Especially high inaccurate passes... Tipped balls in the middle of the field spells trouble
The wobbly underthrown  
Big Brandon27 : 8/17/2011 9:37 am : link
pass to Steve Smith should've been caught.. LOL a under thrown deep ball thrown into triple coverage should've been caught
You make throws like that your just asking for it to be picked off
Any throw into triple coverage  
kmed : 8/17/2011 9:40 am : link
should be on the QB. That throw to Smith is on Eli, IMO. The throw wasn't terrible, but the decision to throw it was.
that ball to Smith  
Big Brandon27 : 8/17/2011 9:42 am : link
was woefully under thrown and wobbly.. It basically was a jump ball Smith versus 3 Colt Defensive backs
I think you are exaggerating  
kmed : 8/17/2011 9:43 am : link
how bad the throw was, but the decision to throw it into triple coverage was just bad.
Out of 25  
Joey in VA : 8/17/2011 9:47 am : link
5 Were WR gaffes, the rest are all squarely on #10. Some of those throws were into double coverage, were late, or he just flat out telegraphed his throws.

The one thing he does on most that absolutely kill me, is that he's going backwards and not anywhere near the proper mechanics that a 7 year NFL QB should have. Even the tipped passes were sailing because he has a tendency STILL to throw off of his back foot and back away from getting hit. Trying to keep a play alive is one thing, but playing scared is another and that compilation, for the first time has shown me what a lot of people see and complain about with Eli...that he looks scared out there.

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If I was an opposing player I would get the impression that Eli was easily rattled and that even a bit of pressure will cause him to lose focus and his mechanics go out the window. The formula is pretty easy, put a hand in his face and you have a shot to completely derail the offense.
Nice Work eclipz and thanks for the work  
JOrthman : 8/17/2011 9:47 am : link
However I have to agree with Britt. Seeing a TV tape of the INT without knowing the play and route is not going to give us an accurate assessment. It would only help in obvious situations like the left handed throw, however, I think that throw takes more grief then it should.
I counted  
liman73 : 8/17/2011 9:50 am : link
Id say about 15 or 16 of Elis 25 picks were his fault. The rest of them were on the receivers.

As we all remember, more often they were Eli's fault later on in the season, but the first 5 or 6 weeks his WR really f--ed him over.

If he throws 30+ TDs and 15 INT this year I will take it. Eli will never be an elite HOF caliber QB- but he certainly has the ability to be on the fringe of that top 10 range. We could do a lot worse than Eli- he just needs to take care of the ball better.

Joey, great points.  
Randy in CT : 8/17/2011 9:52 am : link
Eli sucxes and we'll never win with him.
He tried to do too much last year...as stated  
drkenneth : 8/17/2011 9:55 am : link
many times by Reese. He needs to throw the ball away more or take the sack. Again, as stated by Reese, that sometimes is th e best play.
big brandon  
whobetta : 8/17/2011 9:56 am : link
I'm not sure if you gt my sarcasm in my post or not...

additionally, you are right, Eli doesn't have to throw into triple coverage, but what would you rather he do, take a coverage sack?

I hate this shit because it just rev's me up and i get into it every year. I dislike this system as it seems too hit or miss, too risk reward and well thats just how it played out last year. I'm not talking about the system anymore.

And RE: Eli, I seriously doubt you are saying he is a bad QB because its his fault that he throws into triple coverage like he does.


i don't care how bad i get blasted cuz im used to it by now so whatever i think what i think and nothing will change it

Thanks for this post  
Wellington : 8/17/2011 9:59 am : link
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Also: I don't think the system  
drkenneth : 8/17/2011 10:02 am : link
does him any favors. Some of the play-calling (especially to start the game, on the road) is suspect.

For instance, the first Dallas game- hostile crowd, road game, division rival, and they throw a high risk pas right off the bat. That is on Eli, but they need to get him into a rhythm early.
Joey and mfjmfj...  
Larry O : 8/17/2011 10:02 am : link
Joey and mfjmfj hit the nail on the head.

They made the exact points I have been making (and arguing) since last year.

I most definately HOPE for improved play from Eli this year, but (IMO) these videos give very little reason to EXPECT improved play.

Also - while I do not consider Eli in the Brady / Peyton elite level, I liked reading that he considered himself in that level.
Eli has check down options  
Big Brandon27 : 8/17/2011 10:04 am : link
If you have 3-4 guys out in the pattern, the Defense can't triple cover everybody.. You find the single coverage and throw it to that guy.. Football 101
Don't tell me he doesn't have a guy who can catch the short dump off because Ab caught 47 balls out of the backfield last season.. You throw inaccurately into triple coverage and you get a 25 Int season
The "system" isn't making Eli Manning force throws.. This is the same "system" Eli played in when he threw a career low 10 picks in 2008 (With average WR talent)
Eli has to make better decisions same with AB and the entire Offense. We have talent, the big plays will be there just protect the ball and stop beating yourself
I tried to be as unfriendly to Eli as possible  
djm : 8/17/2011 10:04 am : link
so any INT that was of the 50-50 variety, I placed the blame on Eli.

I counted 16 INTS that were Eli's "fault"

It could have been lower due to bad routes but I wasn't sure so I put the blame on #10.

Last year was just rididulous.
if you want to say it's closer to 20...that's fine  
djm : 8/17/2011 10:06 am : link
and like many have said on this thread, no matter how many INTs were not on Eli, he still has to protect the ball and play better in 2011. Even 16 ints is too many.
djm  
Larry O : 8/17/2011 10:11 am : link
Exactly.

NFL QB's cannot be careless with the ball.....period.

This endless debate (although an amusing way to pass the work day) makes no sense to me.

The video does not lie.

While I care about his other numbers, they are a distant 2nd because of the turnovers and Eli's carleseness last season.
I would trade the 2010 Manning  
BigBlueinChicago : 8/17/2011 10:13 am : link
for the 2008 Manning yesterday, today and tomorrow. The added yardage and TD's are offset by the rash of turnovers.

Sometimes, taking a sack is okay if it can prevent a turnover. Throwing the ball away and living to fight another play is never a bad thing. However, "trying to make a play" and then throwing a pick that the other team run back into your territory puts incredible strain on the defense to bail you out. Sometimes it can. Other times, it can't.

The lefty pass against the Titans. WTF was that?

The video is interesting  
Randy in CT : 8/17/2011 10:14 am : link
to break down the film, however:

The 25 INTs still stand--3 more than Drew Brees, as you know. Though Eli had two more TDs. I just point that out as the Eli-detractors here would just as soon fellate Brees and his abilities as they would bash their favorite team's QB.

No shit that we need him to throw less this year in order for us to win.

Hearing you cocksuckers beat that ridiculous drum over and over is just fucking monotonous though. I mean really? That's your fucking point?

Thanks for the insight, Einsteins. But the point remains that we are lucking to have him as our QB. The second point is fuck you.
BBC, he was trying to make something happen  
Randy in CT : 8/17/2011 10:15 am : link
in order to win the game. So what? Fuck you. And larry too with his bullshit mantra like Eli's 25 INTs wasn't an anomaly.
BigBrandon  
whobetta : 8/17/2011 10:18 am : link
I hear you,

I also get irritated that we don't "check down" enough... seems like other teams do it to us alot more.

But i notice alot that when we have 1 or 2 RB's in the backfield alot of time they don't come out for a dump off. they hang around the pocket even if not necessarily blocking people.

I can't imagine that they are taught to do that, but i agree that these guys should be in the flats every time...

its an issue i've had for years that they just don't seem to do, unless its a designed play for the RB...
Here is why comparing Brees and Eli is pointless  
Big Brandon27 : 8/17/2011 10:19 am : link
Brees 660 pass attempts

Eli 540 pass attempts

Brees threw the ball 120 more times then Eli in 2010 .. How many Int's would Eli have if he had another 120 pass attempts
Brees had no run game at all in N.O
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