I put together a crude video that exclusively concentrates on each of Eli's interceptions from last season. Figured it would be helpful in ending a couple debates concerning Eli's turnovers from last season, and also for starting some new ones. Hopefully at least some of you find something like this useful in aiding in your own personal of evaluation of Eli's 2010 season. Go ahead and check it out.
Disclaimer: I'm not a professional by any means and I don't know much about video editing, so I apologize in advance that this isn't the "neatest" production put together. Also the video won't be up very long so if you're gonna look at it do it soon.
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In the end Eli is not Peyton or Brady, he is, ironically Brett Favre. He is a good to very good quarterback who is the toughest guy on the field (although Easy E sure don't look it). He takes a ton of chances in part because he always thinks he can make the throw. Not afraid to innovate.
The biggest difference between Brett and Eli is that Brett was good and made up the difference on emotion. Eli is good and makes up the difference on brains.
Eli may get better and become truly great. But probably not. More likely he will get an attendance pass in to the hall of fame. That is between brains and toughness there is a good chance he will play well for another 10 or even 12 years and thus make the Hall the way Brett will, on accumulated stats.
...no one should take Eli's "reduced" count as evidence that he wasn't so bad in the INT department.
Why?
Because you would have to do this for every QB in the NFL... and then parse out every INT for at least 32 QBs...
...and you know what you would come up with?
When you finish this project in 2015 you'll come to the following conclusion:
Eli sucked in the INT department in 2010.
I'm betting on Eli.
But thanks for the effort eclipz, nice video.
I think he throws 16 ints this yr and 30 td's
For as much as we praise Nicks, he does have plenty go through his hands
Obviously several of those (probably 6 or so) are balls that need to be caught and the last 2 or 3 at GB were prayers in a blowout loss that otherwise wouldn't have been thrown had the game been competitive.
I think when seen live my friends refer to it as the "Eli backfoot pu••y throw".
Eli just can't make every throw a jump ball (especially straight up the middle) and not expect that BAD things are not going to happen, very often.
You body is straining to stay in the air; you need a perfectly thrown ball to catch (just the right speed and position); enough time to control the ball, make account for tacklers coming at you and figure out where you're going to land and not break something - all in a split second. All this, in a helpless position, surrounded by people with bad intentions.
or do you think Eli just throws it to the guy who is the MOST covered?
pffft that
I counted
1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 9 / 10 / 13 / 15 / 25 that seemed to be direct tips to the other team that coulda/shoulda/woulda been caught by the receivers
one thing I know is that if they don't get their act together the season will end much the same as last year
No excuse to force passes into double and triple coverage.. Especially high inaccurate passes... Tipped balls in the middle of the field spells trouble
You make throws like that your just asking for it to be picked off
The one thing he does on most that absolutely kill me, is that he's going backwards and not anywhere near the proper mechanics that a 7 year NFL QB should have. Even the tipped passes were sailing because he has a tendency STILL to throw off of his back foot and back away from getting hit. Trying to keep a play alive is one thing, but playing scared is another and that compilation, for the first time has shown me what a lot of people see and complain about with Eli...that he looks scared out there.
Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If I was an opposing player I would get the impression that Eli was easily rattled and that even a bit of pressure will cause him to lose focus and his mechanics go out the window. The formula is pretty easy, put a hand in his face and you have a shot to completely derail the offense.
As we all remember, more often they were Eli's fault later on in the season, but the first 5 or 6 weeks his WR really f--ed him over.
If he throws 30+ TDs and 15 INT this year I will take it. Eli will never be an elite HOF caliber QB- but he certainly has the ability to be on the fringe of that top 10 range. We could do a lot worse than Eli- he just needs to take care of the ball better.
additionally, you are right, Eli doesn't have to throw into triple coverage, but what would you rather he do, take a coverage sack?
I hate this shit because it just rev's me up and i get into it every year. I dislike this system as it seems too hit or miss, too risk reward and well thats just how it played out last year. I'm not talking about the system anymore.
And RE: Eli, I seriously doubt you are saying he is a bad QB because its his fault that he throws into triple coverage like he does.
i don't care how bad i get blasted cuz im used to it by now so whatever i think what i think and nothing will change it
For instance, the first Dallas game- hostile crowd, road game, division rival, and they throw a high risk pas right off the bat. That is on Eli, but they need to get him into a rhythm early.
They made the exact points I have been making (and arguing) since last year.
I most definately HOPE for improved play from Eli this year, but (IMO) these videos give very little reason to EXPECT improved play.
Also - while I do not consider Eli in the Brady / Peyton elite level, I liked reading that he considered himself in that level.
Don't tell me he doesn't have a guy who can catch the short dump off because Ab caught 47 balls out of the backfield last season.. You throw inaccurately into triple coverage and you get a 25 Int season
The "system" isn't making Eli Manning force throws.. This is the same "system" Eli played in when he threw a career low 10 picks in 2008 (With average WR talent)
Eli has to make better decisions same with AB and the entire Offense. We have talent, the big plays will be there just protect the ball and stop beating yourself
I counted 16 INTS that were Eli's "fault"
It could have been lower due to bad routes but I wasn't sure so I put the blame on #10.
Last year was just rididulous.
NFL QB's cannot be careless with the ball.....period.
This endless debate (although an amusing way to pass the work day) makes no sense to me.
The video does not lie.
While I care about his other numbers, they are a distant 2nd because of the turnovers and Eli's carleseness last season.
Sometimes, taking a sack is okay if it can prevent a turnover. Throwing the ball away and living to fight another play is never a bad thing. However, "trying to make a play" and then throwing a pick that the other team run back into your territory puts incredible strain on the defense to bail you out. Sometimes it can. Other times, it can't.
The lefty pass against the Titans. WTF was that?
The 25 INTs still stand--3 more than Drew Brees, as you know. Though Eli had two more TDs. I just point that out as the Eli-detractors here would just as soon fellate Brees and his abilities as they would bash their favorite team's QB.
No shit that we need him to throw less this year in order for us to win.
Hearing you cocksuckers beat that ridiculous drum over and over is just fucking monotonous though. I mean really? That's your fucking point?
Thanks for the insight, Einsteins. But the point remains that we are lucking to have him as our QB. The second point is fuck you.
I also get irritated that we don't "check down" enough... seems like other teams do it to us alot more.
But i notice alot that when we have 1 or 2 RB's in the backfield alot of time they don't come out for a dump off. they hang around the pocket even if not necessarily blocking people.
I can't imagine that they are taught to do that, but i agree that these guys should be in the flats every time...
its an issue i've had for years that they just don't seem to do, unless its a designed play for the RB...
Eli 540 pass attempts
Brees threw the ball 120 more times then Eli in 2010 .. How many Int's would Eli have if he had another 120 pass attempts
Brees had no run game at all in N.O