I put together a crude video that exclusively concentrates on each of Eli's interceptions from last season. Figured it would be helpful in ending a couple debates concerning Eli's turnovers from last season, and also for starting some new ones. Hopefully at least some of you find something like this useful in aiding in your own personal of evaluation of Eli's 2010 season. Go ahead and check it out.
Disclaimer: I'm not a professional by any means and I don't know much about video editing, so I apologize in advance that this isn't the "neatest" production put together. Also the video won't be up very long so if you're gonna look at it do it soon.
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Then again, the guy never gets hurt and a major reason why is because he gets rid of the ball quickly and WILL throw off his back foot.
Also, although its hard to do so, we should take into account the situation. 2 int's were thrown in desparation when the game was pretty much already over (one against Philly and one against GB).
Nice language (but I have been called much worse). I guess its not a family channel anymore.
Here's the thing - How do we know its an anamoly? I certainly hope it is, but there is no way for any of us to know.
Bigblueinchicago def. got it right - we all would trade the '10 Manning for the '08 Manning.
4,888 yards/38 TD's/31 INT's
Brees:
4,620 yards/33 TD's/22 INT's
I have been called every name in the book by you and the rest of the Eli butt boy club, and with this thread I finally have some company re: Eli's play last year.
I have never rooted against him, but am critical of his play last year.
As I said, I hope he improves, but see no reason to expect that he will. I don't get how anybody can objectively say that they EXPECT HIM TO IMPROVE.
Either way - grow the fuck up and/or re-attach your set of balls, and stop getting so worked up on a football website.
Sorry Randy I'm not going to play that game with you
We are not really bashing Eli either.
We ARE pointing out things that the Eli butt boy club refuses to acknowledge....that poor accuracy, mechanics and decision making had lots to with his Int. numbers.
those numbers would suck too
"poor accuracy" (Yeah, who SHOULD he have thrown the ball to? YOU know how his checkdown list is broken down? You know who he was able to see, who was running the right route and who was and wasn't covered?
"mechanics" (Sorry, I forgot you guys are QB coaches and have the ability to evaluate our SB MVP winning QB's mechanics--my bad!)
"decision making" (See above comments on his accuracy then also add at this stage of his career if you are worried about Eli's accuracy, then I guess it is what it is and we are fucked if you think he's inaccurate)
Bottom line though, those 25 need to become 15 or so or the Giants will have trouble winning games or will at least have a hell of a lot harder time doing so.
I'd assume that's one thing we can all agree on.
Mechanics - Joey hit the nail on the head. Watch the throws he made off back foot / without stepping into the throw.
Decision making - Lefty throw a pretty good place to start? How about forced throws into double teams.
Question - did you watch any of the games last year....particularly those in the 2nd half of last year. If so - can you really argue that Eli's trended in the wrong direction for all three above?
That is why I think people tend to give you a hard time. You tend to focus on one thing, and one thing only, while seemingly dismissing many positives.
Is that fair?
That said, I think you have been fair lately, it's just when these black/white discussions take place that people dig their heels in.
I don't think ANYBODY disagrees that 25 picks is too high, or that Eli doesn't shoulder the blame, primarily. That's what I'm reading.
But as has been said numerous times, it doesn't have to be either or, it's in the middle somewhere.
And that's what I've figured out. Sometimes, it's best to sit some out.
But there is no denying that there are people on this board who are only here to needle other posters. One or two specifically on this very thread. I don't put you in that category, Larry.
I dismiss the good (from last year) because I think the 2nd half of last year was that bad.
The trend I mentioned was specific to last year only.....as in his accuracy, decision making and mechanics got worse as last year went on.
There is not black and white....I can both root for Eli and try to be objective in his play.
See Joey's write up (above) - his is right on the $$$.
No sane person would say Eli doesn't need to improve. But, I also don't think it's fair to say that he is getting worse. You also have to realize the improvement in QB play, like in most things, is not always a linear function.
If I were, I might have told Randy to go and start a UFO thread in response to his comments re: Eli's accuracy, mechanics and decision making.
I just think there are multiple factors (5 different configurations of the o-line, revolving door at WR) that also factor in. In years past, when totals were much better, those were not issues at all.
I think putting it all on Eli is somewhat small minded. When we've had health on offense in years past, he's been trending upward every single year.
IMO, it's not coincidence that there could be a correlation between the health of the offense and Eli's performance.
I think as bad as his INT's where, he did a pretty damned good job in a couple of games where he was dealing with less than optimal health. Big games too, like the second Eagles game. Doesn't get much bigger than that, late in the season.
Where I REALLY have to disagree with you is INT's 12 and 21. Nicks stopped running his route. You are aware that a QB throws the ball on a WR's break? How was Eli supposed to know that Nicks was going to stop running?
That tells me that 17 of the INT's were on Eli, 8 on his WR's. Some of them were horrible throws and/or bad decisions. #6 has to be one of the worst throws I've ever seen an NFL QB make. What was he thinking?
And sometimes, you just have to tip your hat to the DB. A couple were jsut good defensive plays; it's hard to "blame" anyone for it. A couple other insights - the INT to Smith in the Colts game is just something that happens. Smith had a step deep, Eli threw a decent enough ball, and the 2nd DB made a good play on it.
Some of the INT's in the GB game were downright ugly, but those also occurred when the Giants were losing badly, and throwing on every down.
So, he makes some incredibly poor judgment decisions because of his "go for it" attitude.What's the result--well last year he had 25 INTs and 9 fumbles(I think)which contributed to the stat I can't dismiss and always repeat: 21% of all possessions resulted in turnovers.That's hard to accept and the QB has to bear the brunt of the criticism. I think it's an anomaly but it better not happen again.
When you are losing and have to throw all the time, the % go up for more int's - you are 1 dimensional.
Once in a while, the D does make a good play, as guys dive for int.
Some are clearly the WR in the wrong spot or stopping the route (2nd Dallas game)
Obviously some are terrible throws, but every tipped ball went for an Int last year.
Thanks in advance.
To me, more problematic than the INT's are Eli's fumbles. It's one thing if he gets hit as he's throwing the ball, but a number of his fumbles occurred when he had 2 hands on the ball. Got to wrap it up.
For example....kmed the throw to Barden was a "good throw"? Were talking about a 7 yard hook right in front of Eli. Barden could have caught it but it sure wasn't a good throw. Many of the tipped passes were not good throws.
And did somebody say only half of them are on ELi?
The guy is tough. He takes shots. I think he feels he can fade back, avoid the contact, and make the throw.
Sometimes he does but it also gets him in trouble. You can't throw floaters in the NFL. Guys like Cutler can make those throws. When Collins was here he could make these throws. But Eli's arm strength is not in that league.
He should try to cut down on the fadeaway throws and be more careful with the ball when rolling out especially to his left. If his feet are under him his ball floats too much and the accuracy drops.
kmed : 12:02 am
I would change that one on my list from good throw, dropped to bad throw, dropped. Def too high.