Choice and option routes.

exactly!

We put our first option routes in high school in 1986 off of our play action pass plays. They were all pre-snap reads and dirt simple. My best X ran a fade or a post no matter what the read was, so he was worthless....his back up couldn't run for shit, so he ran a stop our out everytime. Our Z knew what we wanted, always ran the right route, but couldn't catch the clap in a whorehouse. Our Y was our best tackle.

We ran the ball that year. A lot!

It was amazing how much better we got at the next year when we had three moderately talented kids who were of reasonable intelligence. By '95 we had a lot of option routes built in and by and large, they worked.

Hahaha now that's funny. How was your OL and running game?



I respect Gilbride and the system, I just wish at times we could get guys to make more plays without over thinking.

Just look at the above rules. At the very end it should say, O by the way, if your QB is getting blitzes, disregard,

Plan A,B,C, and D, and break off your route and run a 3 year arrow route.

That was where Hagan messed up on during the Eagles game. Eli saw the blitz throw it to nowhere and Hagan just kept running. That's the shit that makes me want to throw something at the tv.

You can almost feel what's going on in Hagan's mind. Trying to run the right route, catch the ball and get a key first down, and you get so into the zone, that when your QB gets blitzed, you don't see it, and you keep running what you thought was right.

a lot of offensive line play is just hit the big guy in front of you. Since I was a basketball player in college I was able to pick it really easy. Once I changed to a top team I realized what a real system looked like.

Right now I'm playing in a moderately complex (for me at least) zone blocking system based on West Virginia Offense. And speaking of Big On Big, often as the backside tackle on play-action, I have a choice of taking a zone step or staying with the defensive end no matter what. I always choose BOB. I think the line coach once mentioned my tendancies to me in practice but I haven't been really criticized for not zone stepping

I just want to reiterate shawn's post.

Understood,
Shawn in Jersey : 2:58 pm
It boggles my mind the amount of information Eli has to process. In some way it's frustrating as fan, because at this point I keep learning how much I don't know and how little I can accurately analyze based on lack of knowledge and views from the TV.


All this stuff in a matter of seconds, it's nuts.

1) The QB has only three possible progressions, all of which have one WR has the principal read. The 2nd & 3rd receivers reads look to be determined pre-snap and are very similar. The QB actions here are not simple but are also not that complicated in theory.

3) I understand that the 1st WR makes a decision on the 7th step. Because that 7th step (a WR going forward) will occur before the QB' 5th step (a QB going backward), these actions will be closely synchronized which means that the 1st WR will be making their cut at about the same time as the QB will be throwing the ball. This means to me that the QB will be able to visually confirm where the 1st WR will be going as the ball is being thrown.

Let me know what I am getting wrong here.

then becomes... with this WR and the 7th step... how do you know what route he is running unless you stare him down because the route gets determined on the 7th step of the WR pattern... not alot of "timing" there.

how is there a "progression" of reads if receivers are updating their routes throughout the course of the play.

seems really counter intuitive almost... which is why we are always our own worst enemy... you wonder why.

I'd rather the other teams just make better plays than us rather than us just blow ourselves up half the time.

its more frustrating... the other way you can tip your cap and hate the other team. this way you break your remote and hate YOUR team...

ugh!

I thought of the birddogging question but assumed that an experience QB would be moving his head around and checking his other options as he back peddling.

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so if dorgan : 2:56 pm there's no choice or options, it's not micromanaged? If we call a three digit number that means the X is running an out, the Z running a deep cross and the Y dragging, it's not micromanaged, but if we call a three digit number that means the three receivers have options when their particular route is doomed to failure, it's micromanaged? Got it. Makes perfect fucking sense to me.

I guess the part I neglected to mention is that the complexity of the options feels to me, as a layman, like a way to have complete control from the sideline, rather than allowing the QB to check off based on the defense. Now, obviously, Eli has what appears to be autonomy with regards to audibles, so I fully admit that I'm probably wrong. I was merely stating how it seemed to me, not how it actually was.

Clearly, there is a level of expertise on this thread that I'm not quite on par with. I want to reiterate that I'm a Gilbride fan, based on the results, but I just have the (uninformed) opinion that there might be room for improvement by simplifying the scheme to some degree.

you didn't miss anything.

When these things look complicated, draw out the three routes and reason it out. Doing it mentally can make it look worse than it really is.

But wasn't this supposed to be Coughlin's offense and Gilbride is just calling the plays? That's always been what we have been led to believe.

thing gets overblown by announcers when an interception is thrown but "bird dogging" is something that happens on most plays. Z is the primary and the QB will watch him till the 7th step because that is the key to the entire play. How the defense responds to the Z will tell what the coverage is and then based on that the QB will know who is next in his progression. Fans get the feeling that the QBs head is supposed to be whipping all over the field on every play but in reality he will look at the primary for a good while and then progress to usually 1 or 2 other receivers and then a checkdown. Unless the play is specifically design to look off a safety and hold them in a certain spot to open up another route then the QB will be staring down his primary and thats normal.

yeah thats a pretty all encompassing assumption, but my question was more to the point that with the timing type routes you look off the safety on X so you can hit Y on the post

with these routes they have an increased level of change so you don't necessarily know that the Y is gonna hit that post because he could have seen a curl or an out route.

the receivers depths and or amount of time they are being run would then change on ever play during the play seemingly making it impossible to just look off and then chuck to the open guy...

i dunno... who am i :)

understood.

No offense intended. Just making a point, (apparently too strongly). I realize this is a fan board and my perspective as a coach is going to differ with the average fan's perspective.

I forget that at times and get carried away.