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Forget the Cruz Stuff, that Crew Sucked All Game!

FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 8:37 am
Jerome Boger's crew is consistently an embarassment to the NFL. I know there will be a lot of discussion about the Cruz play and I'll keep my comments pretty short on that - it is probably the one call they actually got right! Cruz made no effort to advance the ball and I'm surprised the Cards are going to bitch so loudly on that - they didn't make a play - they are hoping to just be rewarded by another player's carelessness. That aside, the officiating was a joke.

- Opening kickoff, there is a scuffle after the play and a Cardinal player throws a punch. Giant who was punched runs off the field clapping, thinking a penalty is coming. None does.

- Second half kickoff - Cards return to the 27. Maybe this is where the wonders of TV make Boger look worse, but it is said that the Cards get a delay of game call. Ball is at the 22 now, BUT it is still 1st and 10. First down is a fumble, that I thought the Giants recovered (I might be wrong). Boger's crew rules the runner down, but spots the ball where the Giants recovered, giving them 3 extra yards.

- Coughlin is charged with a time-out even though he makes the call while the Cards throw a challenge flag. You are only supposed to be given a timeout if a challenge is made DURING a timeout. Otherwise, you are supposed to be give the timeout back.

- Snee was getting away with holding all game long, yet the one they chose to call looked like he actually erred by releasing the guy without holding, giving the defender a clear path to Eli.

- Bernard is called for roughing because it LOOKED like his helmet was going to strike the QB.

- We had a series where Snee and Hynoski were called for holds on back to back plays and on the ensuing drive the Cards visibly hold the jerseys of Joseph and Osi on back to back plays as they are releasing to rush the QB and yet neither is called. Both non-holds affect the play since the defenders were delayed just enough to miss a sack.

- Ball spots for both teams were poor, consistently being spotted almost a yeard from where they should have been. Even though it was a moot point, even on the review of Ballard's first possible TD, he is clearly at the 1/2 yard line or closer and they rule he was down at the 1.

Boger's crew needs to seriously be looked at by the NFL. Unfortunately, they will probably draw the most fire for making the right call on the most visible play - but if that's what it will take to get them out, I'd take it.

A bad, bad game where calls afffected both teams adversely.
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* knew he would win  
Steve in Greenwich : 10/3/2011 9:15 am : link
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Coughlin TO  
stretch234 : 10/3/2011 9:15 am : link
On the replay they looked close. However, Coughlin is running toward an official to call the TO. The red flag just gets tossed. To the officials, it probably seemed that the TO was called first.

Steve - no reason to be stubborn  
MetsAreBack : 10/3/2011 9:19 am : link
your theory lacks common sense. Nothing to do with "vast football knowledge" whatever that means.

Greenwich is a nice place though - congrats on being from there.
Maybe a different channel?  
kmed : 10/3/2011 9:20 am : link
The split screen they showed on tv showed them calling it at the exact same time.
I wonder how much the positioning  
SwirlingEddie : 10/3/2011 9:25 am : link
of the officials is contributing to these missed calls on jersey grabs by the OL. It feels like I've seen a bunch of these plays not called this year and I wonder if the positioning of the umpire behind the line is contributing to this as no one can see the backs of the DL clearly and consistently now.
It is somewhat irrelevant..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 9:26 am : link
on if it happened simulaneously or a few seconds apart. Unless they've changed the rule, a team that has called a timeout gets it back if a challange is made before the timeout is announced. At the very least, the refs should have realized that whistles were blowing for both events and that time had not yet been called.

In a game just last year, Belichick got a timeout back when Ryan challenged a play during the timeout. The explanation given on the field was that the challenge flag was thrown before the timeout had been officially recorded. How a timeout can be recorded and written down in a split second is hard for me to comprehend, but is further instance of how Boger's team cannot control a game.
yep  
Steve in Greenwich : 10/3/2011 9:26 am : link
stubborn to think a coach with 2 challenges and only 3 minutes left to use prior to all booth reviews them would use one of them to garner some extra game planning time. But as you said, I lack common sense so I must be wrong. And yes, Greenwich is a nice place, thank you.
If that game had been officiated properly, the cardinals would have  
Mellowmood92 : 10/3/2011 9:33 am : link
been close to 200 yards in penalties, easily. They got away with A LOT (however, so did the giants)

I also don't know if I can deal with another game called by Daryl Johnston.
No only was the officiating sucky...  
okiegiant : 10/3/2011 9:40 am : link
and it has been league wide for awhile, the officiating guru dude(can't spell his name)comes across as clueless most of the time.

Johnston made me laugh...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 9:40 am : link
when instead of criticizing the poor calls on Hynoski and Bernard called Bernard's a "teaching moment" where he can't give the appearance of leading with his helmet (even when you don't hit anything with it) and Hynoski can't "put himself in a position" to be called for a hold.

Those are two of the most asinine statements I have ever heard.
No = Not...  
okiegiant : 10/3/2011 9:40 am : link
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One of the worst start to finish  
Giant Mike : 10/3/2011 9:42 am : link
officiated games I have ever seen, ever, on any level.

Before Eli's heroics we were about to lose a game that should have been someting like a 24-6 Giants win. And we would have been listening to a good portion of the BBI tell us that officials don't decide outcomes of football games.

Jerome Boger and his crew are always bad... I cringed the first time I saw him yesterday and it got worse from there.
Can't stand Boger  
NNJ Tom : 10/3/2011 9:44 am : link
his voice is like Truman Capote. Drives me nuts.

Also, he seems to lack any common sense. Why would the Giants take 3 points of the board and re-kick a field goal with a kicker who is on the ground in pain?

They truly sucked yesterday, but the calls tended to even out.
I Agree That Crew Was Really Bad  
Trainmaster : 10/3/2011 9:44 am : link
both in the number of penalties called and the bad calls themselves. I had watching a game when you expect most big plays (both for or against your team) to be called back.

Worst officiating game since a 2003 game I attended in Washington (15 penalties against the Giants and 17 against the Redskins).
Screamed at the television after this coment.  
Beez : 10/3/2011 9:47 am : link
WTF?

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Hynoski can't "put himself in a position" to be called for a hold.


Another, on the intentional grounding call (which was a good call)  
Andy in Halifax : 10/3/2011 9:48 am : link
they spotted the ball around the 38 when the ball was clearly released at the 35. That wasn't one of the more egregious ones though.

I thought that was one of the poorest officiated games I've seen in a long time. So many calls they missed and so many call they did make were poor calls. Not one sided particularly, just inept.
Not sure if someone else mentioned it  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 9:49 am : link
but, I think the Cards recovered the fumble you mentioned.
NNJ Tom...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 9:51 am : link
I wasn't just this:
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Also, he seems to lack any common sense. Why would the Giants take 3 points of the board and re-kick a field goal with a kicker who is on the ground in pain?


Why would the Giants take 3 points of the board with no time left on the clock before the half!! Unless they were trailing at the end of teh game, they'd almost always take the 3 and head to the locker room.
cnuke...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 9:52 am : link
I meant to go back and rewind that play, but it looked like 2 Giants were on the ball.

I think I was still trying to figure out how the Cards had a 1st and 10 after being called for delay of game.
Agreed, it was awful all around,  
barens : 10/3/2011 9:54 am : link
there was just a point where I wanted them to pocket their flags the rest of the game. Some of the calls, against Arizona too, were terrible. Really just ruins the flow of the game, though I won't complain about the outcome.
I couldn't see who recovered it,  
Andy in Halifax : 10/3/2011 9:55 am : link
but I saw one ref signal a fumble and then spotted the ball where it looked to be recovered. Camera angles were poor though so I couldn't tell for sure who recovered it. My initial thought was that a Giant fell on it but I really couldn't tell.
Fatman  
Fred in Atlanta : 10/3/2011 9:56 am : link
I was wondering the same thing, unless the penalty was on the kickoff, but I don't see how a receiving team could be called for delay of game.
Jerome Boger talks as if he has no teeth  
Mike in NY : 10/3/2011 9:57 am : link
but that does not excuse the fact that the officials were downright atrocious all game. Never thought I would say that I think Alberto Riveron or even Ron Winter could have done a better job
Fred  
Mike in NY : 10/3/2011 9:58 am : link
I think the Delay of Game was for spiking the football (a.k.a. the Jeremy Shockey penalty)
The spike  
Fred in Atlanta : 10/3/2011 9:59 am : link
may explain it.
I had an internet feed and may have missed some things  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 10:01 am : link
The delay of game penalty was very strange. I never saw where it happened. If it was a because of a spike like Mike said, that would explain it.

It was strange that they didn't really show much of a replay on the fumbled ball after that. I can't remember if I saw a Cardinal recover it, or just assumed they did because of the spot of the ball.
I believe  
Fred in Atlanta : 10/3/2011 10:02 am : link
the Cardinals did recover it.
one of my favorite officiating moments  
fkap : 10/3/2011 10:02 am : link
in light of the ref helping Vick to his feet repeatedly last week, was when Nicks was on the ground at the 1 yard line and reached to the official for a hand up, and the official just looks at him and keeps walking.

The problem with the Cruz call is that he did advance it several yards and then had the appearance of tripping, not giving himself up. It was a borderline call, and I'm glad it went our way, especially since it was obvious that Cruz thought the play was over, so it would be a sucky way to lose on a technicality.
Here's the delay  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 10:02 am : link
L.Tynes kicks 67 yards from NYG 35 to ARZ -2. A.Jefferson to ARZ 27 for 29 yards (M.Herzlich). PENALTY on ARZ-A.Jefferson, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at ARZ 27.

So, I think the 1st and 10 was the right call. It must have been that Jefferson spiked it at the end of the play.
the Cards did fall on that fumble  
YAJ2112 : 10/3/2011 10:04 am : link
I think the Delay penalty was for spiking the ball after the return. Dead ball foul, so not sure that should have made it 1st and 15. That crew did suck though, couldn't believe some of the holds that the Cards were getting away with compared to the ones they called on us.
I thought...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 10:07 am : link
you can only be called for a delay for spiking the ball if the clock is running?
Yes, officials were spotty yesterday.  
Vin_Cuccs : 10/3/2011 10:13 am : link
But when it counted in the 4th quarter, they swallowed the whistles.

--Cruz "fumble"

--Webster pass break-up on Fitzgerald to end the game

--Rolle pass break-up on Fitzgerald.
Bernard penalty  
Mark from Jersey : 10/3/2011 10:26 am : link
worst call on the D since the infamus "Tackled by Helmet" penalty IMO.
I know  
bobstevensbob : 10/3/2011 10:47 am : link
this isn't the right place to bitch about this but talking about calls that affect games, what about ball and strike calls in baseball. And what really irks me is the announcers claiming "this is a good ump at calling balls & strikes" when K-Zone shows that the call was a mistake. This affects the game in so many ways. Outcome, lenght, etc. Until that jerk Selig is gone, this debacle will continue ruining the game.
This is a constant issue for the NFL  
RB^2 : 10/3/2011 10:54 am : link
I remember a few years ago when the refs lost track of downs near the end of the 1st half and Coughlin had to correct them.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 10/3/2011 11:36 am : link
1) I think the TO should have been charged to the Giants. While the replays showed Coughlin calling for the TO and the red flag being thrown within a second or two of each other, I believe a few players were already calling for the TO and it was acknowledged.

2) On the Bernard hit, I think Johnson and Goose at least acknowledged it was clean. His point about leading with the helmet was not that off base. However, the comment about Hynoski was just plain stupid.

3) There was a holding call against Arizona that Goose questioned what the refs saw, when the replay clearly showed the OL with one hand in front and the other wrapped around the back. This alone often gets a hold. The replay also showed, though, a handful of jersey in the back. It was a hold. At least they were inconsistent on holds for both teams.

4) The Cruz play was not obvious either way. In live action, it certainly appeared he gave himself up. In the replays, it depended on which angle you saw. But, that judgement is made in live action, so the replay is moot. Either way, Cruz was stupid for doing that, unless he really thought he was touched down.

5) FatMan brings up a good point about the spike. That delay is only supposed to be called when the clock is running, as I understand it.

6) That challenge was absolutely stupid by Wisenhunt. Then again, his coaching in the entire 4th Quarter was brutal.
Also  
Matt M. : 10/3/2011 11:39 am : link
Manning not only was losing the ball on the way to the turf, but he was hit by at least one defender.
Did anyone else catch what I thought was a horse collar  
Matt M. : 10/3/2011 11:44 am : link
early in the second quarter on a Bradshaw run? He was strung out running wide right and the defender had one arm in front and the other appeared to pull the collar on the back of Bradshaw's jersey.
......  
JBGiants : 10/3/2011 11:52 am : link
Agree, it was awful both ways. Joseph was getting held all game, and Snee was basically holding on every play.
I completely agree.  
BigBlueBuff : 10/3/2011 11:56 am : link
It was a rough game for the officials.
Matt M  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 11:56 am : link
I saw one, but I thought it was Jacobs.
Snee had an uncharacteristically  
PEEJ : 10/3/2011 12:08 pm : link
bad game
That was one of the reasons...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 1:47 pm : link
I was pissed at the call they actually made on Snee which wiped out a good gain. He'd been holding all day long and the time he gets flagged, he released the guy without holding and lets him have a direct line to Eli.

He probably should have held better!!
That was one of the reasons...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 1:47 pm : link
I was pissed at the call they actually made on Snee which wiped out a good gain. He'd been holding all day long and the time he gets flagged, he released the guy without holding and lets him have a direct line to Eli.

He probably should have held better!!
They missed another big call in the game...  
SIMMSTOBAVARO : 10/3/2011 9:43 pm : link
Dockett horsecollared Jacobs on a tackle in the 2nd half. Not a mention of it from the announcers. They actually said it was a great tackle..
At least they got the Cruz "surrender" right.  
mjt832 : 10/3/2011 9:54 pm : link
If we turn the ball over right there- it could have been disastrous.
I was complaining about those officials all game  
gidiefor : 10/3/2011 10:09 pm : link
they treated both teams equally badly
Agreed.  
SIMMSTOBAVARO : 10/3/2011 11:04 pm : link
But how do you pull down a 265 pound Brandon Jacobs from behind by his shoulder pads...and it is not called by the referees? It was pretty blatant.
terrible officiating  
Dylan fan : 10/3/2011 11:28 pm : link
Agree that the officiating was hideous for both teams on all the plays mentioned & even some more. Amazingly the only poster on the thread to disagree - rather unsurprisingly PaulN - is the one who wrote that FMIC should shut the hell up about mentioning it. Would be nice if Paul would shut the hell up on every thread.
Fat Man  
FJ : 10/6/2011 10:29 am : link
The delay of game penalty was for the spike at the end of the kickoff return. The TV announcers should have explained that (but they probably didn't understand it). Here is the rule, which does not mention anything about whether the clock is running or not.

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Article 5 Other examples of action or inaction that are to be construed as delay of the game include, but are not limited to, the following:
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(e) spiking or throwing the ball in the field of play after a down has ended, except after a score;


I think they got that one right.
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