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Forget the Cruz Stuff, that Crew Sucked All Game!

FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 8:37 am
Jerome Boger's crew is consistently an embarassment to the NFL. I know there will be a lot of discussion about the Cruz play and I'll keep my comments pretty short on that - it is probably the one call they actually got right! Cruz made no effort to advance the ball and I'm surprised the Cards are going to bitch so loudly on that - they didn't make a play - they are hoping to just be rewarded by another player's carelessness. That aside, the officiating was a joke.

- Opening kickoff, there is a scuffle after the play and a Cardinal player throws a punch. Giant who was punched runs off the field clapping, thinking a penalty is coming. None does.

- Second half kickoff - Cards return to the 27. Maybe this is where the wonders of TV make Boger look worse, but it is said that the Cards get a delay of game call. Ball is at the 22 now, BUT it is still 1st and 10. First down is a fumble, that I thought the Giants recovered (I might be wrong). Boger's crew rules the runner down, but spots the ball where the Giants recovered, giving them 3 extra yards.

- Coughlin is charged with a time-out even though he makes the call while the Cards throw a challenge flag. You are only supposed to be given a timeout if a challenge is made DURING a timeout. Otherwise, you are supposed to be give the timeout back.

- Snee was getting away with holding all game long, yet the one they chose to call looked like he actually erred by releasing the guy without holding, giving the defender a clear path to Eli.

- Bernard is called for roughing because it LOOKED like his helmet was going to strike the QB.

- We had a series where Snee and Hynoski were called for holds on back to back plays and on the ensuing drive the Cards visibly hold the jerseys of Joseph and Osi on back to back plays as they are releasing to rush the QB and yet neither is called. Both non-holds affect the play since the defenders were delayed just enough to miss a sack.

- Ball spots for both teams were poor, consistently being spotted almost a yeard from where they should have been. Even though it was a moot point, even on the review of Ballard's first possible TD, he is clearly at the 1/2 yard line or closer and they rule he was down at the 1.

Boger's crew needs to seriously be looked at by the NFL. Unfortunately, they will probably draw the most fire for making the right call on the most visible play - but if that's what it will take to get them out, I'd take it.

A bad, bad game where calls afffected both teams adversely.
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Fred  
Mike in NY : 10/3/2011 9:58 am : link
I think the Delay of Game was for spiking the football (a.k.a. the Jeremy Shockey penalty)
The spike  
Fred in Atlanta : 10/3/2011 9:59 am : link
may explain it.
I had an internet feed and may have missed some things  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 10:01 am : link
The delay of game penalty was very strange. I never saw where it happened. If it was a because of a spike like Mike said, that would explain it.

It was strange that they didn't really show much of a replay on the fumbled ball after that. I can't remember if I saw a Cardinal recover it, or just assumed they did because of the spot of the ball.
I believe  
Fred in Atlanta : 10/3/2011 10:02 am : link
the Cardinals did recover it.
one of my favorite officiating moments  
fkap : 10/3/2011 10:02 am : link
in light of the ref helping Vick to his feet repeatedly last week, was when Nicks was on the ground at the 1 yard line and reached to the official for a hand up, and the official just looks at him and keeps walking.

The problem with the Cruz call is that he did advance it several yards and then had the appearance of tripping, not giving himself up. It was a borderline call, and I'm glad it went our way, especially since it was obvious that Cruz thought the play was over, so it would be a sucky way to lose on a technicality.
Here's the delay  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 10:02 am : link
L.Tynes kicks 67 yards from NYG 35 to ARZ -2. A.Jefferson to ARZ 27 for 29 yards (M.Herzlich). PENALTY on ARZ-A.Jefferson, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at ARZ 27.

So, I think the 1st and 10 was the right call. It must have been that Jefferson spiked it at the end of the play.
the Cards did fall on that fumble  
YAJ2112 : 10/3/2011 10:04 am : link
I think the Delay penalty was for spiking the ball after the return. Dead ball foul, so not sure that should have made it 1st and 15. That crew did suck though, couldn't believe some of the holds that the Cards were getting away with compared to the ones they called on us.
I thought...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 10:07 am : link
you can only be called for a delay for spiking the ball if the clock is running?
Yes, officials were spotty yesterday.  
Vin_Cuccs : 10/3/2011 10:13 am : link
But when it counted in the 4th quarter, they swallowed the whistles.

--Cruz "fumble"

--Webster pass break-up on Fitzgerald to end the game

--Rolle pass break-up on Fitzgerald.
Bernard penalty  
Mark from Jersey : 10/3/2011 10:26 am : link
worst call on the D since the infamus "Tackled by Helmet" penalty IMO.
I know  
bobstevensbob : 10/3/2011 10:47 am : link
this isn't the right place to bitch about this but talking about calls that affect games, what about ball and strike calls in baseball. And what really irks me is the announcers claiming "this is a good ump at calling balls & strikes" when K-Zone shows that the call was a mistake. This affects the game in so many ways. Outcome, lenght, etc. Until that jerk Selig is gone, this debacle will continue ruining the game.
This is a constant issue for the NFL  
RB^2 : 10/3/2011 10:54 am : link
I remember a few years ago when the refs lost track of downs near the end of the 1st half and Coughlin had to correct them.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 10/3/2011 11:36 am : link
1) I think the TO should have been charged to the Giants. While the replays showed Coughlin calling for the TO and the red flag being thrown within a second or two of each other, I believe a few players were already calling for the TO and it was acknowledged.

2) On the Bernard hit, I think Johnson and Goose at least acknowledged it was clean. His point about leading with the helmet was not that off base. However, the comment about Hynoski was just plain stupid.

3) There was a holding call against Arizona that Goose questioned what the refs saw, when the replay clearly showed the OL with one hand in front and the other wrapped around the back. This alone often gets a hold. The replay also showed, though, a handful of jersey in the back. It was a hold. At least they were inconsistent on holds for both teams.

4) The Cruz play was not obvious either way. In live action, it certainly appeared he gave himself up. In the replays, it depended on which angle you saw. But, that judgement is made in live action, so the replay is moot. Either way, Cruz was stupid for doing that, unless he really thought he was touched down.

5) FatMan brings up a good point about the spike. That delay is only supposed to be called when the clock is running, as I understand it.

6) That challenge was absolutely stupid by Wisenhunt. Then again, his coaching in the entire 4th Quarter was brutal.
Also  
Matt M. : 10/3/2011 11:39 am : link
Manning not only was losing the ball on the way to the turf, but he was hit by at least one defender.
Did anyone else catch what I thought was a horse collar  
Matt M. : 10/3/2011 11:44 am : link
early in the second quarter on a Bradshaw run? He was strung out running wide right and the defender had one arm in front and the other appeared to pull the collar on the back of Bradshaw's jersey.
......  
JBGiants : 10/3/2011 11:52 am : link
Agree, it was awful both ways. Joseph was getting held all game, and Snee was basically holding on every play.
I completely agree.  
BigBlueBuff : 10/3/2011 11:56 am : link
It was a rough game for the officials.
Matt M  
cnuke : 10/3/2011 11:56 am : link
I saw one, but I thought it was Jacobs.
Snee had an uncharacteristically  
PEEJ : 10/3/2011 12:08 pm : link
bad game
That was one of the reasons...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 1:47 pm : link
I was pissed at the call they actually made on Snee which wiped out a good gain. He'd been holding all day long and the time he gets flagged, he released the guy without holding and lets him have a direct line to Eli.

He probably should have held better!!
That was one of the reasons...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/3/2011 1:47 pm : link
I was pissed at the call they actually made on Snee which wiped out a good gain. He'd been holding all day long and the time he gets flagged, he released the guy without holding and lets him have a direct line to Eli.

He probably should have held better!!
They missed another big call in the game...  
SIMMSTOBAVARO : 10/3/2011 9:43 pm : link
Dockett horsecollared Jacobs on a tackle in the 2nd half. Not a mention of it from the announcers. They actually said it was a great tackle..
At least they got the Cruz "surrender" right.  
mjt832 : 10/3/2011 9:54 pm : link
If we turn the ball over right there- it could have been disastrous.
I was complaining about those officials all game  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/3/2011 10:09 pm : link
they treated both teams equally badly
Agreed.  
SIMMSTOBAVARO : 10/3/2011 11:04 pm : link
But how do you pull down a 265 pound Brandon Jacobs from behind by his shoulder pads...and it is not called by the referees? It was pretty blatant.
terrible officiating  
Dylan fan : 10/3/2011 11:28 pm : link
Agree that the officiating was hideous for both teams on all the plays mentioned & even some more. Amazingly the only poster on the thread to disagree - rather unsurprisingly PaulN - is the one who wrote that FMIC should shut the hell up about mentioning it. Would be nice if Paul would shut the hell up on every thread.
Fat Man  
FJ : 10/6/2011 10:29 am : link
The delay of game penalty was for the spike at the end of the kickoff return. The TV announcers should have explained that (but they probably didn't understand it). Here is the rule, which does not mention anything about whether the clock is running or not.

Quote:
Article 5 Other examples of action or inaction that are to be construed as delay of the game include, but are not limited to, the following:
...
(e) spiking or throwing the ball in the field of play after a down has ended, except after a score;


I think they got that one right.
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