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Joey in VA : 11/29/2011 1:15 am
Without getting too in depth here, this defense has no faith in its coordinator. We are in week 12 of the season and players have no idea where to lineup. I realize Boley is out, on top of the other losses, Osi is dinged, Tuck is halfway to IR, Rolle is playing CB and we have rookies littering the middle of the field with missed assignments but this defense is 100% lost 3/4 of the way through the season. I hate to be the coordinator hater, but Perry Fewell has absolutely lost this team on defense and its evident in their body language and confusion play in and play out. WHen you don't have faith in your game plan, you play tentatively, almost afraid that what your coach saw may not be what you saw. His plan is most likely too complicated and overwrought with complications when professionals paid to do a job cannot figure out where to lineup on workday #7 of a week.

This is mostly a gut thing I see in the guys, and I know quantifying mood or emotion is foolhardy but I've played under people who seemed overmatched and you don't buy into their philosophy when you what you see on tape is NOT what you are told on the field. His overthinking and timid approach to pressure (please please please read a book on A and B gap pressures and stop trying to blitz off the edge all day when you have 3 pro bowl caliber DEs) is killing this defense. When you see guys not lining up properly and looking confused it is 100% on the man in charge of the defense. As a player you trust what you see and you execute as asked but when you see something that the opponent does that you KNOW will beat you, it just deflates you and you play with that listless look the Giants have had for weeks now. Leaders like Justin Tuck and Corey Webster are looking lost, completely lost and that speaks to their lack of confidence in what they are being asked to do.

I won't sit here and claim to know the scheme we should run or what our talent dictates, but I know full well that trying to pressure a 6-0 QB with a rocket release and speed to burn at WR/RB on the edges is just sheer stupidity. You put your 6-7 and 6-5 DTs in his face and you fire in the A gaps all night long and keep him off balance. You don't blitz Kenny Phillips in the 7 or 8 hole, you don't delay blitz a LB on a loop or a stunt with a DE going wide, you force the issue and you force the offense to contend with you. Fewell is a timid DC who plays on the edges trying like hell to contain everything and not give up the big play but he does not have the LBs or Safeties to pull that off. What he has is a front four and speed at LB that can make a QBs life hell between the center and guard and he chooses to run wide and pressure from the edge which almost never gets home. Don't start your best DE at DT as a gimmick, let him come in later in a drive, fresh like Tuck did in his early years and wear down the interior OL. You don't bang a DE into 330lb guards all day and assume it will work.

Fewell is quite simply overmatched and over thinking his defense to the point that players are not only confused but seemingly without faith in their play calls and without faith in each other. Players are smarter than we want to give credit for, they have a clue what will work and it is clear that this group no longer trusts Fewell to select a sound game plan and it is woefully evident in their play. Go find 10 DCs in teh NFL and lend them Tuck, Osi, JPP, Canty, Joseph, Bernard, Webster, Ross, Rolle, Kiwi, Phillips and see how happy you'd make them. You wouldn't rush 3 and drop 8, you wouldn't start DEs at DT, you'd find a base that works and you punish the offense from guard to guard until they were forced to max protect or their QB flubbed the game away. Perry Fewell is coaching scared and over thinking and despite our injuries he has plenty of talent and no fucking idea what to do with it.
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Btw  
area junc : 11/29/2011 9:29 am : link
I cant stand watching this d for another second....i really cant

They suck so bad, and they r so pathetic to watch, and really its been the same way for 3 years now

I have never seen an nfl d so easy to beat
a j  
JonC : 11/29/2011 9:31 am : link
You and me both, it's gotten difficult to stomach.
Would you make an interim DC change ?  
DavidinBMNY : 11/29/2011 9:36 am : link
At this point - how much could it hurt?

It's not the NYG style to do this, it probably wouldn't help anyway. Do you do it, to just do it and hope for the best, a spark, a simplification, of sorts, etc.

The injuries are one thing, the lack of effort and the look on the Defensive player of sheer resignation is another.

If I'm Coughlin I'm in every defensive meeting. Period. Leave the offense to Killbride and be hands on with the Defense even though he's an offensive coach and player by trade and background.

Watching guys run around trying  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/29/2011 9:36 am : link
to get set while Bress is already into his drop was just disgraceful. Injuries aside at least be prepared for the snap.

At this point you trade Osi for whatever you can get. Let Ross walk. Send Grant to IR to get the huge fucking fork out of his back and draft some God Damn linebackers.

Funny how both the Eagles and Giants are getting killed this year due to horrific LB depth and play.

Look at all the athletic TEs now. Pretending that position didn't matter is killing both teams.
Go back to the afc east  
area junc : 11/29/2011 9:45 am : link
Did anyone hear fewell during the week too??

Reminded me of bill sheridan interviews....sounds completely over his head and almost in awe of the opponent
Agree Joey but I also  
BBurns : 11/29/2011 9:52 am : link
agree with wrecking crew , most importantly the
lack of a workable game plan against the Saints
They had plenty of rest after coming off a loss .
Breese was on fire last night he made throws that
many QB's only wish they could make . Even when we got
pressure he avoided sacks and stood always looking
downfield . I highly doubt anyone would have beat them
last night . With Boley out it not only took our
best LB in terms of speed and smarts that was having
really a probowl type year . The Saints knew exactly
how to beat us and they have too many playmakers
for us to account for . But we still have good
players on defense who are lost in this so called
gameplan . It was painfully obvious when Vince
young orchestrated that final drive last week .
Some of the blame falls on Reece for not making a move
when Goff went down . I like TC but he is getting outcoached by younger coaches IMO and the fact that San Fran changed so dramatically is proof enough that we can
too . I like the young LB's and as much heat that
Grant takes is more about playing a Vet than having
another rookie get toasted .Grant is past his prime
but its management that dropped the ball on personal
decisions . I have never seen a Giants defense look so
clueless in a long while .
Spags is the greatest  
bignygfan : 11/29/2011 9:52 am : link
Make him the head coach right now. Everything Spags touches turns to gold, he will never do a bad job as a HC.
Oh boy  
Johnny5 : 11/29/2011 10:01 am : link
I hate to admit it because I really wanted the guy to succeed, but I agree with you on Fewell. The Saints are going to score points, but no one should be dropping 50 on us.

It was a stark contrast with the look of the Saints defense. They have similar talent to what we have based on our level of injury. But look at the pressure they were generating. If they played defense the way the Giants did, the score would have been 50 to 50. They did what they needed to do. I'm done with Fewell.
time to re-think the can't have too many pass rushers  
HomerJones45 : 11/29/2011 10:10 am : link
we aren't getting to the passer and we aren't even getting holding calls.

the League wants offense at any price, and it wants qb's protected. Putting pressure on the passer is not something a D can rely on. Yet, our draft, player acquisition and D philosophy have all centered on d linemen who can get to the passer. Unfortunately, they aren't getting there and the back 7 is getting burnt.

Perhaps it is time to reverse that: draft the back seven and if you happen to find a pass rusher in later rounds, great, but at least you've got some guys in the back 7 who can hang with the opposition.
sticky  
Mattman : 11/29/2011 10:35 am : link
this thread.

Fewell  
Joey in VA : 11/29/2011 10:41 am : link
Might have all these injuries to juggle, but the lack of intensity on the field speaks to guys being unsure of assignments. Maybe that's on Grant, and yes losing Boley was devastating but then its' on the DC to simplify and keep things simple so his talent can execute and not think. Play fast and play hard and we still have speed on the field with the young LBs and our athletic DEs and it's being wasted because of missteps, missed assignments and confusion.

When I saw Antrell Rolle run in a circle in the flats as Jimmy Graham ran down the seam I almost pitched the remote control. That's a LB drop zone and NO ONE was in the area but Rolle dropped anyway and Graham zipped by untouched down the seam. Even if your OLB is dropping you pick up who crosses your face and funnel them inside to your deep help and Rolle did the complete opposite as Corey Webster covered the deep third on the outside where no one was. It was sheer confusion and most likely on overwrought scheme that didn't challenge the Saints but hoped they wouldn't beat us over the head. The same recipe we used to slow down the high flying Rams of 10 years ago is the one you used for this offense too. IT's a timing offense and the only way to defend it is to disrupt it and the few times we did apply A gap pressure it worked but it was way way too few.
I'm not a huge fan of Prime Time and Michael Irvin.....  
Racer : 11/29/2011 10:44 am : link
..but during the Sheridan fiasco, they made a point of saying the Giant D was a case of "no belief, no effort".

Great write-up, Joey...thanks.
deja vu  
area junc : 11/29/2011 10:46 am : link
to 'homerjones45': u just described BUF's D during fewell's tenure to a t. that was fewell's philosophy when he got here: he was the "interception guy" - db's and back 7 play - which is why it was an odd fit, particularly with base tamp2. fewell's "big money" positions are MLB and WLB. those happen to be the positions the giants fundamentally try to skate by at with marginal players. if u play a tampa2 u need to have excellent linebackers. urlacher/briggs in CHI and henderson/greenway in MIN come to mind

this is a PRESS MAN team and the few games they've played well in the last 3 years they've been in man w c-web on the other's teams #1.

just like it was an odd fit when coughlin hired tim lewis from pitt, who was running a 34 zone. then we drafted cweb and madison (press-man CBs) and put them in this scheme. and it was odd when they said sheridan was gonna keep Spags scheme, then he changed to a base cover 2 zone.
it is beyond crystal clear man is what works best for this personnel group. why not continue to put c-web on the #1 and let Ross and Prince man up the other guys? stay in a 2 deep-man.

but u can't really blame fewell. they employed him to bring in his system with the personnel they decided to give him and then required to keep all the old position coaches in place (w exception of waufle who they didn't want anymore).

it's hard to believe a guy as smart as coughlin keeps willingly making that mistake. this whole thing (w the exception of the 2 spags years) reeks of having no bird-eye view which is so unlike tom
I said it before and I will say it again  
jlukes : 11/29/2011 10:48 am : link
I would much rather see our guys line up man on man and get physically beat than see them wandering around pre-snap and getting lost in their responsibilities
a j  
JonC : 11/29/2011 10:49 am : link
Great post. Before Fewell was hired and chunks of BBI were pushing to bring him in, I posted much of what you did regarding Fewell and the lack of fit with NYG. It didn't make sense, and now it's pretty obvious.
my favorite thread  
jlukes : 11/29/2011 11:22 am : link
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Great post, aj. Square peg, round hole.  
Section331 : 11/29/2011 11:56 am : link
There is a disconnect somewhere. Reese drafts for a press man D, and we play a C2. It's not necessarily that Fewell sucks, it's just that he's not the right fit.
could not agree more with Joey  
djm : 11/29/2011 11:58 am : link
good and scary post. I was down on this guy after the Philly collapse last season but was not in a panic over Fewell like I was Sheridan. This year, I am. Fewell is useless to me. Great, the team forces a few turnovers. They also give up yardage and pts like there's no tomorrow and can't get off the field. He's done a bad job here and there's no other way to slice it.
Joey in Va  
Headhunter : 11/29/2011 11:59 am : link
Your wife going to have to duct tape you to your chair this Sunday?
I don't disagree with the post  
mcr2343 : 11/29/2011 12:03 pm : link
But I think there is a bigger problem with the personnel on D if multiple defensive coordinators keep losing the team. It's a lack of defensive leadership from the players. There are clearly players on the D that are the de-facto leaders & if they have a bad attitude the entire group follows.

I think Sheridan stunk but I believe Fewell is an average coordinator. Maybe the players would get on board with a superstar coordinator but that shouldn't have to be the case. Most teams don't have that guy
Joey  
micky : 11/29/2011 12:05 pm : link
good post imo. Good insight
Joey  
Matt M. : 11/29/2011 12:05 pm : link
An outstanding post. There really is nothing left to add. I especially agree with 3 major points.

One, his propensity for everything coming wide from the edge. Two, his timid approach to rushing 3 or 4, with one those and out of position DE. Three, the sheer talent, even with injuries, this D does possess. They should not be anywhere near as bad as they are playing.
The fingers are being pointed at Fewell but  
cosmicj : 11/29/2011 12:27 pm : link
you need to mention Peter Giunta in all of this.

Under Spags, undrafted DBs were playing well against top caliber opposition. Under Sheridan, it was a out-and-out disaster. Under Fewell, we see persistent zone assignment confusion.

What is Giunta doing exactly?
MCR  
djm : 11/29/2011 1:00 pm : link
ask yourself this: Name one DC that after being fired from this organization went on to do ANYTHING as a DC anywhere else? Tim Lewis? What ever happened to him? Sheridan? Please. Johnny Lynn? Where's he now? You can't find them because they aren't holding a DC spot anywhere in the NFL and if they are, trust me, it aint pretty.

In the last 15 seasons, the Giants have enjoyed 6 seasons where the DC was either Spags or Fox. In those 6 seasons the team won 3 division titles, 2 NFC Championships and 1 super bowl title. Sandwiched around those 6 seasons was a team that had similiar talents and roster makeup but a team that struggled defensively.

This team has wasted some talented teams over the past 15 seasons and the primary reason is due to the DC. We went from Fox to Lynn. Fail. We went from Tim Lewis to Spags. Win. We went from Spags to Sheridan. Vomit. We went from Sheridan to Fewell. More vomit.

It's. All. About. The Coaching. The Cowboys had absolute SHIT in the secondary for a month or two and they held it together this season. They have question marks to this day and yet they are holding things together. The Jets have one great player and a couple of solid players and they play better D than the Giants.

The Giants have more talent than some of you want to believe and if you think Michael Boley is saving this defense, think again. If he plays last night the Saints still score too many points.

Let's not forget the unforgivable collapse last year to the eagles.
Joey  
Kyle : 11/29/2011 1:05 pm : link
NO's offensive line uses tight splits from its LG-C-RG to create a fortified wall of sorts at the LOS, allowing their short QB a deep pocket to step up into.They want their tackles to kick the DEs far upfield. The pocket resembles a football kinda.

We saw this happen in 2009 against US, let alone other teams, and the disastrous results. Mind boggling that we couldn't devise a different means of attack.
Great post.  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2011 1:13 pm : link
Too many no-shows have occurred under Coughlin's watch in recent years. I mean this team doesn't even bother competing sometimes. The Miami Dolphins, with much less talent and much less to play for, play their asses off week in and week out for a coach who's repeatedly had his balls cut off by ownership. They represented themselves very well in front of a national audience on Thanksgiving, almost beating a solid Dallas team that had everything to play for.

Fewell is terrible. Webster, Ross, Phillips, Rolle, Kiwi, Canty, Osi, Joseph, Tuck, Boley, etc. I know it's not the '85 Bears defense, but how much talent do you need to field a competitive defense?? Spags had James Butler, Gibril Wilson, and graybeards like Madison and McQuarters in his defensive backfield, and still managed to slow down high-powered offenses in big spots. It was an incredible coaching achievement.
Ugggh  
Johnny5 : 11/29/2011 1:14 pm : link
God... this is depressing.

I am going to go to a voodoo shaman and try to get Spags fired in St L tomorrow and hired as DC back in NY. ASAFP.
Rolle's comments on WFAN  
Joey in VA : 11/29/2011 1:20 pm : link
Echoed what I thought I saw last night which was him playing OLB. He's a long time NFL vet being asked to play LB when his best spot, SS, has not been where he's lined up almost at all this year. He complained that he was playing a totally new spot last night....WHY ON EARTH in week 12 are you negating the talents of your best ball hawk and putting him at LB where's he is lost while Deon Grant does his best CC Brown impersonation at SS.
maybe he should've just coached from the booth...  
Davisian : 11/29/2011 1:22 pm : link
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Good point by DJM:  
BigBlueBuff : 11/29/2011 1:22 pm : link
Quote:
In the last 15 seasons, the Giants have enjoyed 6 seasons where the DC was either Spags or Fox. In those 6 seasons the team won 3 division titles, 2 NFC Championships and 1 super bowl title. Sandwiched around those 6 seasons was a team that had similiar talents and roster makeup but a team that struggled defensively.
Worth a quotation and a repetition.
Great  
kmed : 11/29/2011 1:22 pm : link
stuff. Good read.
the d has struggled all year  
Room814 : 11/29/2011 1:23 pm : link
as has been noted elsewhere on bbi. we've let bad teams and qbs go up and down the field on us - and won only when eli has bailed the team out. it's hard to see this as anything other than an indictment of fewell and a system that seems totally ill suited to his players. but it's worth reading garafolo's game review, where he makes the point that ultimately, the team did go to much more man after brees picked apart the zone early, and guys didn't make plays. i do think it's cumulative - if youre not aggressive to start, you lose a lot of confidence, and start doubting yourself and your teammates.
Great discussion guys and gals  
FatHeadTommy : 11/29/2011 1:26 pm : link
This is why we come here to BBI, not for the BS posters but for those of us who live and die with this team. Great post.
I'd be happy with Man Under  
Joey in VA : 11/29/2011 1:28 pm : link
With 5 or 6 DBs, this shit isn't as complicated as Fewell is making it. You have 3 CBs who can cover in press man, you have 2 safeties who have range, run stopping ability and ball skills and you have them blitzing the 7 and 8 and 9 and playing OLB instead playing them two deep over the man under. If you want to attack, bring an extra LB up the A gap, you have speedy young guys who can blitz in a gap vacated by a JPP, Osi or Tuck who will command attention when they twist and stunt. This Rolle at LB, Grant at safety and people milling around the edges is killing us.
I was giving Fewell the benefit of the doubt  
Pierced05 : 11/29/2011 1:29 pm : link
but you can mark me down as someone who hates him and wants him gone at this point. I don't pretend to be the smartest X and O guy with football, but can someone explain why you would run a zone defense when all of your personel is geared towards man coverage? Especially when you're going up against a QB who is great at exploiting zones!!!

I just don't get it, and frankly I don't think he does either.
When Spags get fired  
Steve L : 11/29/2011 1:33 pm : link
after this season we can bring him back
Great post- The amount of time  
Brandon Walsh : 11/29/2011 1:34 pm : link
JPP plays inside at nose directly over the center on passing down is embarrassing . He is by far our best edge rusher with Osi showing up when he wants and Tuck clearly hurt.

JPP is most effective coming from the edge, and has shown it time and time again but since everyone has been "healthy" he is rarely there on passing downs. They instead have him running into the center since he "can disrupt the passing lanes"

Now that I think of it, I don't know what's more embarrassing- the amount of time he plays over the nose or the amount of 3 man pass rushes we use. You think Fewell would have learned his lesson against Philly with the 3 man rushes but nope, instead continues to drop players into this zone that has not worked all year. But lets keep doing that considering the strength of our defense is the pass rush and our CBs playing press man coverage.

Every game we come out in zone and let up early scores and every game he then has to adjust to man to man but most of the time its to late and we are digging ourselves out of a hole.

He is coaching scared, and I much rather this team go down swinging then with mental and communication erros.

Lastly- its obvious Grant is DONE, and Rolle should not be in the slot. Let Prince play in all nickel situations and HAVE 3 CORNERBACKS ON THE FIELD LIKE EVERY OTHE TEAM IN THE NFL does in Nickel and let Rolle go back to Safety instead of this nonsense 3 safety set.

Everyone wants to complain about injuries and the hand we were dealt but that is one obvious move that could only help, it can't get any worse.
Joey @ 1:28  
JonC : 11/29/2011 1:35 pm : link
preach it, Broseph!
Joey....good stuff  
darasman : 11/29/2011 1:37 pm : link
I knew we were in trouble when I saw Grant (who had the green dot) barking out calls and everybody looked confused and rushing to their assigments at the very last second. We really need a leader, preferably a MLB, but last night Rolle should have been the greendot, he is the mouth of the defense and is around the ball...

I don't know I am coming to terms that our defense is just not that good, and I am being kind right now.... Everyone had talked about how ELi has been carrying the team on his shoulders. and he has, but let's face it..if the defense could hold a lead then we wouldn't ahve to rely on Eli for heroics... Gruden kept alluding to a game plan, if the GIants can stick around, in the 4th Eli will win the game...I know Chucky was talking out of his ass, but if he wasn't then that is one of the dumbest game plans I have ever heard...

Eli came to play, Cruz, JPP and Herzlich and Nicks, hell I will give an honorable mention to Jacobs up until his bonehead dance that could have been 15 yds...Osi seemed to be walking fine to the lockeroom (but I am no doctor), Tuck, I get it! he is not even close to 100% but know it not only shows it hurts the team. Canty, was he even on the field last night??? OUR LBs are ....well....after Boley is there any LBs with any experience on the team?? Jerry, you fucked up there and BAllard and Cruz bailed your ass out, but Jones, Williams have NOT!!! Goff goes down and you don't comb the waiver wires for some veteran presence for LB????

The future looks birght on more than a few fronts. We have Eli!!! Nicks, Cruz, Barden (we will see about Mario)Ballard had a bad game against the Iggles, but he was more than effective last night. With the return of T2 with CWeb and the Prince (We will see about ROss in the nickel) are solid and may very well be more shut down than we have had in a while. Our DEs are still beasts, JPP and Kiwi are the future and Tuck when healthy is still Tuck. Canty is well, a disappearing act. Joseph gets man handled..

SO my glaring weaknesses!!! Linebackers.... we dont have any...Fewell plays this zone and our LBs are just not good enough or experienced enough to play leaving the hole the size of my mother in laws ass right over the middle. TEs like Graham, Celek, Witten, Cooley must look at us on the schedule and lick thier chops. Baas, our center, jury is still out, but how does a center draw a false start penalty stalling a drive at midfield???? never mind he is getting assraped at the line..we are lucky Eli is durable and still standing nevermind having a career year. Runningback, what can we say? Jacobs is NOT the battering ram he was a few years agao, Bradshaw is ALWAYS have ankle and foot problems, Ware??? no comment.... De'Rel Scott( I am one of those idiots that wanted him in a few snaps, got my wish).

I am not even going into coaching other than to say I am a huge Coughlin guy, BUT....... Perry Fewell just doesn't get that his personnel just doesn't fit his system or schemes....square pegs in round holes. there is some serious talent on the 1st and 3rd level of Defense.....

Thanks for letting vent guys!!!!
Whatever happened to the spirit of Thanksgiving?  
D_Coop : 11/29/2011 1:43 pm : link
Injuries matter and players matter. If Eli was gone, everyone would say the season is over. Yet somehow the avalanche can happen everywhere else and fans say "they have to play through that" - "Really? Injuries don't matter who says?" - "Well, it's cliched coach-speak, so we have a right to be assholes." - "Oh Ok then, proceed".

Also - outside of the Packers, who doesn't have a 'swoon'. This team has been patchwork, Ballard is the TE, Cruz is the top receiver, the line is dismantled and not performing, the LBs are rookies - it's a transition year, and the team is competing. This was the first blowout, done by a rested, surgical offense at home. Everyone recognzied that this was a brutal stretch, and yet, no one can stomach the 'brutal' part. There's always the call for blood, or call for coaches who if you compare - probably would NOT do a better job, it's just that they have that new coach smell. Having the team be a consistent competitor in what is ultimately a crap shoot should make for less blood-thirsty fans.
DCoop  
Johnny5 : 11/29/2011 1:48 pm : link
I can definitely see your points, but regardless, the lack of pressure against Vince Young was absurd, and then the Saints OK I can see them scoring 35 on anyone, but 50 points? Really? And no pressure at all, AT ALL on QB's the last few weeks. At some point you have to help your DL get some pressure.
Joey  
OC : 11/29/2011 1:48 pm : link
Nice work. You hit it right in the crosshairs. You'd think he could see from the films that timidity's got no place in D football. Especially when his players are stumbling around like drunks trying to find a barstool.
Last year the Giants  
bob in tx : 11/29/2011 1:59 pm : link
managed to control most TEs, an issue that existed under Spags.TEs get open underneath when you play press man coverage and 2 deep safeties,just stop and recall the problems when Pierce noticeably slowed down.

This year Fred and Vernon Davis,NE's 2 TEs and Graham have had success with whatever you want to call Fewell's defense. But, with Kiwi at LB and no MLB, if we go back to man coverage, then expect Finley and Witten to have big games.I'm not opposed to doing so, but it exposes the very position(MLB) that I think Fewell is trying to compensate for.
Totally agree.  
BillKo : 11/29/2011 2:00 pm : link
This team has talent on the defensive side of the ball. Not the best, but not where we rank either. And how we perform.

I don't think there is enough imagination or ability to change things up. I'd never sit back and let a team pick me apart. I'd go down swinging. I don't see that here.

We need a new philosophy, and quite frankly, new energy on that side of the ball.

I think it comes in the form of a head coaching change, unfortunately. But TC did hire the guy, so he's accountable.
you can only cover up so many deficiencies  
HomerJones45 : 11/29/2011 2:00 pm : link
perhaps we underestimated the impact of Thomas' loss. We certainly underestimated the loss of Boley.

We've now seen similar issues of "intensity", confusion and the like under two different coordinators. Do we just keep running through coordinators or do we acknowledge that perhaps the personnel on defense isn't as good as we think or at least, does not match up well with very fast teams like the Eagles and the Saints.
I dont know how I watched the entire game last night?  
RELICDOA : 11/29/2011 2:06 pm : link
And I don't know why??? No heart and fight. Coughlin should've thrown in the white flag instead of the red flag. He should've sat everyone!!!! Last night was a complete disgrace to our storied franchise. Not that we lost, I can deal with that. How we lost. Top to bottom including Reese this team needs to be held accountable. When you think of NY Giants you think defense and run game!!!!!! Yet we have not truly addressed the LB's and always try to throw together an Offessive line. So dissapointed in this team!!!!
Disagree  
bc4life : 11/29/2011 2:26 pm : link
Team played witha lot of rookies and dinged up veterans against best offensive mind in the league. Lots of blown assignments and basic faulty fundamentals - failing to seal the edge. Webster not turning everything back inside. Fewell outcoached but there was a gap in talent and experience, as well.


They played hard for most of the game - probably need to work on pass rush but they got some hits and should have had two sacks. When the Saints won it all - they beat teh Pats during the regular season pretty easily.
We didn't get a linebacker  
jLefty : 11/29/2011 2:32 pm : link
either in the draft or free agency.we didn't get another decent runner to go with Bradshaw.We pretty much stood pat.It's not attitude,lack of focus or motivation as much as the talent level .We always look slow. Speed or quickness seems to be lacking at all postions.
i disagree  
stephenponder : 11/29/2011 2:33 pm : link
its not fewell's fault that the DTs aren't pushing the OL back. like i said in an earlier post, Osi's best move is going wide and getting the strip sack. but if the DTs are pushing the pocket back, the QB can stand comfortably in the pocket and even step up in the pocket. so that eliminates what Osi does best.

Tuck is injured. He just can't do anything.

Kiwi IS NOT a LB. But he has to play LB because of the injuries.

We have second tier guys, that are slow, playing starting LB for us. You can scheme all you want, you can't hide a lack of talent.

How many of us said "ohhh sh*t, now Ross has to start" when TT went down. Now all of a sudden it's Fewell's fault that Ross gets beat constantly. We knew Ross was 2nd tier before the season.

For those that have played football, you know that you have to play zone when you're corners can't cover that great and your front 4 don't get pressure.
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BLUEBLOOD : 11/29/2011 2:33 pm : link
From Reese,(Who Does NOT Seem To Know How To Use The Draft,To Move Up Or Down,To Get The Position Player Most Needed. Example,Middle Linebacker,For Years Now !!!!! ) To Killbride,With His VERY Predictable Play Calling,Game After Game,That every Team We Play,Knows What To Expect,On EVERY Down,To Fewell,Who Has HIS Defence,From Kickoff To Finish,Unable To Stop A POP WARNER Team,From Doing Anything And Everything They Chose To Do,At ANY TIME They Want,To The HEAD COACH,(Who I Like AND Respect,As A Man)But,It's Very Clear,He Is Not Able To Get The Players MOTIVATED Any Longer,To Play At The HIGH LEVEL,For 60 Minutes,That Is Needed,To Win At This Sport. INJURIES Be DAMMED !!!! Every Team Has Them !!! All The Giants Need To Do,To See Were The PROBLEM Is,Is To Look Into The MIRROR,That WILL Answer Any And All There Questions !!! From The GM On Down. GUT CHECK TIME,BOYS.
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