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3rd and 5...2:20 Left in the Game...Perry Fewell Has...

Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:16 pm
Giants in man-to-man defense and calls a blitz...just like we want him to do...

And Aaron Ross gets beat as badly as you can get beat on what should have been a 75-yard touchdown, ending the Giants season.

But the ball is overthrown and the Giants comeback to survive.

I've given Fewell grief as have others, but perhaps that play is an indication of why he's been more conservative.
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Well,  
Giantology : 12/13/2011 3:18 pm : link
If we're going to get burned either way, I'd much rather get burned being aggressive and taking a chance, rather than getting picked apart down the field.
its obvious why he has been conservative  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:18 pm : link
but fans jsut feel like putting all the blame on fewell without looking at what he is working with

the only thing i have issues with is the 3 man rush because i feel he is taking away the strength of the defense...but dropping back into zones rather than man to man is somehting he has to do...
I agree with your core point,  
Enoch : 12/13/2011 3:18 pm : link
but I wouldn't necessarily agree on that specific play, in that Romo's overthrow was probably influenced by the blitz the Giants were bringing.
Well  
MookGiants : 12/13/2011 3:18 pm : link
the blitz actually did work because it caused Romo to rush the throw and throw off of his back foot.

The D is getting destroyed by just sitting back, and I have little doubt would have given up a first down if they dropped 8 on that play.
Enoch  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:19 pm : link
we were lucky as hell.
This does not change the fact  
RCondal : 12/13/2011 3:19 pm : link
that the defense is unprepared for their assignments and positioning nearly every time the opposing offense steps on the field. I don't fault Perry for not blitzing or having an injured defense, I fault him for not having what he players he does have *ready to play.*
In re-watching the last moments  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:20 pm : link
of that game, Aaron Ross was as bad as you can be. The overthrow and the blocked field goal saved his ass.
Miles Austin in 2011  
ImThatGuy : 12/13/2011 3:20 pm : link
vs

Patrick Crayton in 2007

which play sticks out more?
We've been beaten badly both in zone.....  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/13/2011 3:21 pm : link
and man-to-man, beaten both blitzing and rushing 3 or 4, but it is so much easier for people to generalize and act as if Fewell only rushes three and plays a zone almost all the time.

It's easier to do that then actually watch the game and see what's happening.
Ross  
stretch234 : 12/13/2011 3:21 pm : link
Did he press at the line or did he lay off and start backing up and give Austin the free start off the line - I can't remember.


rcondal how is that on fewell?  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:21 pm : link
if the players blow assignments isnt that indicative of the players??...i hate this notion that players win and the coaches lose...now i am not saying its all on teh players and fewell is perfect but he isnt working with all hands on deck and you know sometimes the players fuck up...look at aaron ross
Fatman  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:23 pm : link
Interesting, early in the Green Bay game, the Giants played a three-man rush and played coverage twice and it worked great. (Later,the Packers scored a TD in the red zone against it).
Eric  
Arcanum : 12/13/2011 3:23 pm : link
That's true, and it's time for Giant fans to face the facts, this team defensively is not that talented. To me Fewell has no choice but to be conservative. I believe that the blitz and the jam at the line threw Romo's and Austin's timing off, which was a good thing.
nah, Fewell is an idiot  
HomerJones45 : 12/13/2011 3:23 pm : link
just ask BBI.

Fewell is coaching for his coaching future. He gets fired as DC, and any plans he has to be a HC or even a DC with another team go out the window. You bet your ass that he is trying everything he can think of to stop somebody.
Well we  
AnishPatel : 12/13/2011 3:24 pm : link
drafted Ross. So if the guy sucks in zone or in man, that's on him and us for drafting him. He hasn't developed or progressed.

That's one specific instance. What about the countless other blown coverages this past game AND prior games?
My problem is not the play calling. It's the confused looks by  
the_fridge : 12/13/2011 3:24 pm : link
veteran defensive backs who are in year two of Fewell's system. It just happens too often that a dude is running free and then after the play, Rolle, Webster and Ross are looking at each other like "what just happened?"
My biggest problem with his typical zone  
Larry from WV : 12/13/2011 3:25 pm : link
is that we aren't getting enough pressure with our DL to make it effective. We are giving the QB too much time and the opponents are taking the top off the defense and leading to easy completions underneath the DBs. That play is a good example of why he feels like he has to call a safe game. You have to question Reese's personnel at some point. Thomas is injured but we still have a lot of high draft picks and expensive free agents in the secondary. It should be a strength on this team with the resources we have spent.
I've been saying this for weeks.  
arcarsenal : 12/13/2011 3:25 pm : link
He's been having them sit back in zones so often because he doesn't trust the personnel to handle man to man coverage and bring blitzes that way. Sunday night was exactly why.

He's trying not to give up the big play... which is exactly what we're prone to when we blitz in man.

I don't love Fewell but a lot of posters think it has been some blatantly obvious mistake that he's been using zone so often. I don't think he has much of a choice.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/13/2011 3:25 pm : link
I think both INT's in the NE game came on plays where we showed blitz and dropped into a zone.

It has worked at times. It isn't the scheme to me, it is the communication issues where some guys think we are playing zone and others are playing man. Ross is one of the guys who looks serially confused at least several times a game. When even guys like Webster are confused - there's a problem.
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:25 pm : link
not completely exonerating Fewell (I'm not sure what to think to be honest), but if the players want to play more aggressive like that, they have to prove they can do it on the field too.

Ross used to be a decent man corner. He didn't look it on Sunday night.
the notion the giants defense still has talent is very flawed  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:25 pm : link
the giants are playing with 1 defensive end, 1 linebacker and a bunch of rookies, 1 corner and a rookie who is till adjusting, 1 safety playing corner, 1 safety who is old and slow and another good but not great safety...

this defense is HAMMERED with injuries...
I  
Fred in Atlanta : 12/13/2011 3:26 pm : link
just hate the rush 3 or less defense. I want at least 4 rushers, otherwise, the chances of pressuring the QB is small and one extra pass defender is not going to improve things that much. That is my position.
It's a great point Eric  
Go Terps : 12/13/2011 3:27 pm : link
To lambaste Fewell for running a conservative zone scheme and then on the other criticize the play of members of the secondary (Ross, Prince, and Rolle this week in particular) seems contradictory to me.

Today's league is about throwing the football, no one would dispute that. But it's also about winning the pre-snap battle. Getting a blitzer through to the QB means little if the QB diagnosed it before the snap. If you don't agree go back and see what Eli did to Rob Ryan.

Off the top of my head there were three plays where Dallas's blitz created so much immediate pressure that Eli did not have time to drop back more than a step before throwing the ball. The results of those 3 plays:

- 60+ yard bomb to Nicks
- 18 yard gain to Nicks on the wheel route
- 47 yard TD to Manningham

There's clearly something wrong with Fewell's defense, but I'd submit it's not the scheme. My uneducated guess is that he's somehow falling short in relating the scheme to the players. But philosophically I think he's right to rely on the DL alone to generate pressure.

If you're playing a smart QB blitzing is suicide in today's NFL. If you don't believe me just consider the fact that Fewell was the better defensive coordinator Sunday night.
FatMan  
HomerJones45 : 12/13/2011 3:27 pm : link
I do not know what most of these people look at.

Eric is absolutely correct about the 3 man rush and yet we see poster after poster complaining that "we always rush three and it never works." If you recall, we also played a lot of man-to-man in that game and Rodgers took off and ran.
agree 100% fred  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:27 pm : link
the zone coverage doesnt bother me...that 3 man rush is terrible though especially when its tuck who can barely move is the one dropping back
That is the point !!!!  
shabu : 12/13/2011 3:27 pm : link
Pressure to the QB, QB makes mistakes I am not sure why this is so confusing.

The fact that we blitzed made romo have to make quicker decision than normal thus = overthrow.

That is the point, it need not always be a sack or knockdown.
Eric you are oversimplifying  
JerseyJoe : 12/13/2011 3:27 pm : link
it's not just calling A blitz, it's the design and timing of the blitz. Our blitzes get picked up by opposing teams almost all the time. Why? The design ...apparently they are horribly disguised. GET ME SPAGNUOLO
another  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:28 pm : link
problem is the DL isn't doing it. Tuck is getting no pressure. Tollefson flashes, but it is rare. You usually don't get much of a pass rush from your DT's in the NFL, but I expected more noise from Joseph and Canty on the pass rush this year.

We were leading the NFL in sacks before the 49ers game, but that was a long time ago.
shabu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:29 pm : link
Romo wasn't under heavy duress on the play.
The pressure wasn't so overwhelming...  
arcarsenal : 12/13/2011 3:29 pm : link
That was a throw Romo has made and a throw he should have made. We caught a HUGE break there. That mistake literally saved our season.
joe you know why his blitzs worked?  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:29 pm : link
because he had 3 great defensive ends that took on the offensive line and this created gaps for blitzers...

guess what the giants 1 have one good defensive end thats why blitzing does not work!
being conservative has its place in  
beaker89 : 12/13/2011 3:29 pm : link
every defensive system....what i can't stand is the 3rd and longs and he rushes 3 and drops 8 into coverage. he just took the strength of the defense, its line, and turned it into a weakness.

let me say that again...he turned this defenses strength and made it a weakness.

#29 against the pass  
JeHatke : 12/13/2011 3:29 pm : link
#22 against the run

i don't care what Fewell is doing or isn't doing. whatever it is, it's not working. any parallels to the 2007 season are silly because that team played great defense. i don't even recognize this team.

the safeties, in particular, are abysmal and contribute basically nothing to the effort. and they might be the highest-paid safety combo in the league, too.

ross is not a starting-caliber CB, never really was. he's a good nickle corner to have on the roster, nothing more. perhaps this defense's fate was sealed when TT blew out his knee. our secondary has been trying to regroup, unsuccessfully, ever since.
if spagnuolo blitzed with this defense it wouldnt work either  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:30 pm : link
idc who our defensive coordinator is..this defense is killed by injuries
Go Terps..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/13/2011 3:30 pm : link
I was talking with Giant Mike during the game and we both kept saying that Ryan is going to keep blitzing and we kept asking for him to bring it on.

Most of the time he blitzed, Eli had an open option well downfield.

and yet, that fat fuck's face is plastered on the TV after every play. Why wasn't he getting heat from the booth?
The one play that kills me....  
Jacobs27 : 12/13/2011 3:30 pm : link
is the first play of Dallas' final drive. With Dallas on their own 20 and like 48 seconds left all Ross has to do is keep his man in front of him.

So what happens? He let's his man get behind him for a 20+ yard completion. Unbelievable.
Romo took the play clock all the way down & got the Giants to show  
Motley Blue : 12/13/2011 3:30 pm : link
their hand. Giants stuck with the call and got lucky.
Every week, there seem to be a lot of guys  
Section331 : 12/13/2011 3:30 pm : link
who don't know their assignments. One or 2, you can blame the players, but when it's so many, either the scheme is too complex, or Fewell and his coaches aren't getting through.
I'd love to see  
Les in TO : 12/13/2011 3:31 pm : link
Aaron Ross' splits day games vs night games....even going back to his rookie season, it seems like he plays a lot better during afternoon games than in prime time (cleveland in 2008, st louis/new orleans/dallas this season).
there were  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:31 pm : link
two plays in the game where we had God on our side (sorry Tim Tebow)...

The overthrow and Newman dropping the pick 6.

Saved our season.

Weird how often something like that happens in football. Hell, Packers barely made the playoffs last year.
Eric  
lawguy9801 : 12/13/2011 3:31 pm : link
I tend to agree with you, and why I haven't joined the anti-Fewell chorus on BBI. Which is kind of sad because of all the high-round talent we have in the secondary....then again, if the pass rush isn't getting home and even a decent NFL QB has several seconds to survey the field, even the best secondaries will eventually get exposed.
Is the line a strength?  
Larry from WV : 12/13/2011 3:32 pm : link
Outside of JPP is our line that good this year? I'm not a believer in Fewell but maybe our defensive talent just isn't that good.
je your blaiming the safeties?  
nygiants16 : 12/13/2011 3:32 pm : link
hahah thats just stupid...they cant cover the entire field and one safety is playing out of position...

idc who the coordinator was this defense wouldnt stop anyone

and remmeber spagnuolo in 07 had 3 STUD defensive ends, a MLB who although wasnt the fastest was the smartest guy on the field
that is what we want BUT  
robbieballs2003 : 12/13/2011 3:32 pm : link
Fewell is awful at designing blitzes. He doesn't understand how to get a guy coming free. There are run blitzes and pass blitzes. It seems like all he knows is run blitzes because he tries to get a guy in every gap hence every guy is picked up. I have not seen one overload blitz all year.

Add in the fact that we disguise nothing on defense. We don't disguise our coverages nor our blitzes. It's quite embarrassing.
Jacobs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/13/2011 3:33 pm : link
that was Ross.
Not saying  
Arcanum : 12/13/2011 3:33 pm : link
Fewell is Spags but give him the weapons Spags had and then let's see if the blitzes he call are ineffective.
I mentioned this yesterday...  
rnargi : 12/13/2011 3:33 pm : link
The scheme usually seems sound. The execution hasn't been good for a myriad of reasons. Hasn't anyone paid attention to St Louis this season?

Injuries have effectively made uncompetitive. The Giants are about 1 more major injury on defense from joining them
Eric  
Joe in Cambridge : 12/13/2011 3:33 pm : link
But he did see a blitz coming and get the ball out a little sooner than he would have liked.
Just like anything esle, it's a combination of a lot of factors  
ZogZerg : 12/13/2011 3:33 pm : link
Injuries, players, coaching.

However, it's hard not to Blame coaching when you see our good old friend Wade Phillips take over a crappy Texans D and turn them into one of the top Ds in the league. But, on the other side you have little Bill who is a defensive genius and his D has been getting killed all year. Maybe he's spread too thin since he's also the head coach.
I'd much rather send pressure  
Jon in NYC : 12/13/2011 3:34 pm : link
and if they beat the pressure so be it. Because the alternative right now is getting dinked and dunked down the field and praying for a turnover or a red zone stop. And I'm not confident in either right now.
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