NFL Network on Giants Coaching Situation

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Cowher also wants GM duties - it is not happening in NY

You know how these guys work.

might get a big "fuck you" if he decides to pack it in. Interesting to see what happens to the team should he pack it in. I think we are going to miss him big time

he would do a good job here and the defense would be better under his stewardship.

Adam Schefter speculated/reported that Coughlin would not be fired.

that Coughlin either:

1) Retires after this season

or

2) Tells the front office that he would not like a contract extension and will retire when his contract expires after the 2012 season

whether it is his choice to retire or not is another question. Hopefully we make a deep run this year and he gets another year.

as the top two "known" candidates in Cowher and Fisher.

I'd welcome either one.

the rest of this batch of national reporters are glorified TMZ types.

Since no coach has won a Super Bowl with two different teams, and only a handful (Parcells, Vermeil, Holmgren) even got two different teams to Super Bowls.

I'm a big fan of Fisher. I like Cowher a lot too. Sounds like Bettis definitely knew something the last couple of years about him being interested in the Giants job. But it also sounds like Reese is not interested in Cowher.

LaConfora said Coughlin is building a big summer house and simply may have had enough. I'm not sure I buy that. Coughlin seems to still love this.

wants GM authorities, come on. All this shit is hearsay.

rather than leaving when he is burnt out.

but he's overrated by many. I'd rather go the new guy route.

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But I can see him not being a fit. I don't doubt that he'd want more control over personnel than he'd get here, and once again I'm really not enamored with the idea of a big-name retread.

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because he would likley relieve him from some if not all of his Duties..

TC does not look like a beaten man. A young 65 IMO and he has a couple left in him..

I would put him on par with Coughlin as far as his coaching ability.

until he was dragged out screaming and kicking or died.

Seems weird he would retire, but maybe he wants to spend more time with the grand kids.

it may be enough for him to out on top but who really knows. Its all speculation and if anyone thinks he will tip his hand before he is ready is mistaken.

Tom Quinn comes to mind as a possible successor

you shut your mouth!

I think it'd be Gilbride.

as they are very sensitive to their own. Though we can be blindly loyal to the point that it may cost us a better product on the field, we are a classy organization who treats its employees better than most.

With this said, if we somehow land Fisher and Spags this could be the beginning of something great here. If we get coaches who get our talent playing to their potential...WATCH OUT!!!

brought on board as a consultant before TC is ready to go?

Win the division and at least one playoff game, go out on a high note.

that was good times...

Come on.

Maria Spagnuolo took the cell-phone call from her husband that Friday afternoon in January 2007. He sounded down, an aspiring defensive coordinator resigned to yet another season or two as a linebackers coach with the Eagles. Sitting on his desk was a new, two-year contract. He dreaded reenlisting, but he had only until Sunday to sign it.

"I'm just going to swing by the office and sign the contract," he told her.

"You have two more days. Why sign it now?" she said.

"Nothing happens in the NFL over the weekend, honey," he said. "If there was something out there, I would have heard by now."

"Wait two days, Steve," she said. "You never know."

He obeyed. The next morning, Giants coach Tom Coughlin called. On Sunday, Spagnuolo drove to Giants Stadium, nailed the interview and was offered the job. When he returned to the Eagles complex, it was to pack up his belongings, not sign a contract, which would have been difficult because Spagnuolo felt Eagles coach Andy Reid had kept him from a promotion.
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shut the fuck up joe

You said we were going to be in great shape with Fewell.

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a Fisher and Spags Duo...

That seems to be the go-to explaination for why Fisher never got anywhere with Tennessee, but I think it's a cop-out. One Super Bowl loss, and they needed an trick play (that was an illegal forward pass anyway) in a game they were almost certain to lose just to make it that far.

Peter Guinta DC

if the Giants shit the bed Sunday and lose badly to the Cowboys. If they win and are even one and done in the playoffs it'll probably be more Coughlin's decision.

who did Jeff Fisher have at quarterback during his stay in Tennessee?

move on

Get rid of Reese and let Cowher HC/GM

Id like Coughlin to stick around for another year or 2 though

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Steve McNair was a HELL of a football player.

never a Steve McNair fan.

I can't see that happening. They're not replacing a 65 year old Coughlin with a 60 year old Gilbride.

Pretty good player by most accounts. Obviously young was a disaster but there's a lot of blame to go around for that one

Has anyone considered that after a loss like that Coughlin may think its time to go as well? I mean in the context of his message falling on deaf ears. I'm just saying that when the team responds in certain games like that you cant tell me Coughlin isnt dissapointed and frustrated with the schizophrenic personality that this team has and how hard he tries he cant change it.

John Madden retired after 8 years and said "there are only so many speeches you can give that they havent already heard.."

I'm just saying its not a crazy scenario that Coughlin will retire either this year or next -

could also be to provide leverage in 'asking' price. If Cowher wants GM responsibilities the Giants won't be interested and perhaps that's what they are hearing through the grapevine. If he drops that demand, all of a sudden we may be interested.

But in any event I'd still take Fisher and be very happy. Also get Norv as OC and show you are going for a proven staff. We have great talent lets not risk wasting it on unproven coaches.

Fishers record up until McNair retired is pretty good.

I've asked this question a million times and no one has ever answered it when this topic comes up. How well do you think Coughlin would fare as head coach of a team QB'd by Steve Young and a washed up Kerry Collins? Probably not much better than Fisher did.

I don't either, but I can't see anyone else currently on the staff getting the job. I'm also not sure Gilbride is gone even if a new coach is brought on board.

I think there's a decent chance the next guy is a defensive coach, and Gilbride stays.

pass

meant Vince Young.

he ain't done yet.

He obviously has a whole new outlook/perspective on coaching and his time left given the grandkids and such but he still loves this shit. He looks like a giddy child after these wins

you have moustache envy. Try propecia on that upper lip and take the Jeff Fisher posters down off the man cave walls..

shut the fuck up, joe

from 2009 and replacing Fewell's name.

But he was nowhere near a BAD quarterback. He was plenty good enough to win with. Eddie George, Derrick Mason, Keith Bullock, Samari Rolle, Frank Wychek, Kearse (when he was still healthy), Blaine Bishop....they had some talent.

You are aware he beat the Jets on Saturday. You are aware they had their best week of practice of the season before the Jet game? You are aware that Tuck credited Coughlin for reaching him to play the game he did against the Jets?

Zimmer.

A sick part of me would love this BBI thread: "Reese promotes Quinn to HC".

I don't think I'd leave my chair for 48 hours, continually clicking refresh on that thread.

have only been a few head coaches the last decade or so that I've said, "Man, that team is always prepared to play." Belichick is #1. But I felt the same way about Cowher and Fisher. Maybe it's because Tennessee always had our number, but I love the way Fisher's teams play defense. He comes from that Buddy Ryan school.

Yes, that team just wasn't very good. But when he did have a talented group, they didn't do a whole lot outside of that 1999 run (which would have ended against Buffalo if the refs had made the correct call).

I have said many times , I thought Fewell would be a great fit due to his supposed ability to adjust to his personell. I have also admitted it didn't work out and I was wrong.

The theory doesn't always translate.

Anyways, I also said I loved Spags,I also said I love Cruz but noone comments when I get them right. And Ive gotten quite a few right when everyone thought otherwise.

We all have opinions and make predictions. We arent going to get them all.

I think you would see a similar thread if Gilbride was made HC. The way he is pissed on around here..

awesome

someone needs to give it a rest, that's certainly true..

JerseyJoe still hasn't answered my question of why Fisher's a better coach than TC (which I posed in two different threads).

His clamoring for "aggressive" ownership is absurd since we got Fewell like he wanted. We gave Spags a huge raise to keep him an extra year. The idea we're not aggressive is ridiculous.

Norv OC and Spags as DC.

That would truly be a dream staff. Does it gaurantee success? No. But it sure i theory would be an excellent fit to help our talent realize its immense potential.

Take a break from posting for a while, you're just embarrassing yourself over and over

thats why we need a proven coach not one without credentials. THis team isnt rebuilding, we are ready to win NOW.

something to say about Cowher, no doubt in my mind that the Rooney-Mara connection comes into play if he's a legit candidate.

Are you a stupid Rainman?

Fisher nor Cowher have had great playoff success.

As much as I like Cowher, his teams regularly laid eggs at home in the playoffs.

But I don't think both had a QB the caliber of Eli Manning and I think they know that.

Giants love Reese and are a traditional organization that believes a coach should coach and a GM should GM.

It just may be time for a new voice. And as long as know your new coach is a good coach (and is a new voice obviously), it could be time. It doesn't have to be the best available HC out there, just the right fit.

You are criminally underrating Steve McNair.

usually when he didnt have a good DC and or OC.

When he had Whisenhunt and LeBeau he won it all.

Just like when Tom had Spags. Like when Peyton got Gregg Williams. When McCarthy got Capers etc. etc.

Moral of the story? Make sure to get the coach good coordinators

But his Steelers still played in 6 AFC title games. Fisher got his team into one. I'd take Cowher over Fisher every time.

I'd still rather go with a new face.

tell you its not an easy decision. in fact it may be one of the most conflicted especially if you have reached a special place (to you) and that would be impossible to return to once you opened the door to retirement.

furthermore for many our self identity is wrapped up in our jobs. not only that but most of our social contacts, and personal interactions, other than with family are at work. its where we have literally have lived for almost 50 years, or at least in a special environment working with special people on unusal problems.

at the same time you realize that like the athlete with the aging legs, you may be on the verge of not being quite so skillful, and worry about making the wrong decision at work.

ifurthermore the work community and environment is changing and you get tired of the same stuff from all the young geniuses who have all the answers, which of course you have tried 25 years ago.

just a taste ii think what goes through tc's mind. one day he will just say" i really have other things to do" and he'll go out the door and take on some new challenges.

its coming for me much sooner than later

Cowhers with whoever was QBing his team at the time.

I could see Coughlin retiring, especially if the Giants win on sunday. I don't see the Giants hiring Cowher for the following reasons:

1. I don't think he has a good rapport with the Giants front office, remember Hanlon's comments from last year?

2. While I love Cowher's demeanor, I don't think the Giants would go for his sideline antics (remember when he put the photo in the ref's pocket.)

I think Fisher is a strong possibility, I also think Spags would be a possibility at either DC or HC. I think whatever happens the Giants should keep Gilbride, under him (and Eli) the Giants have had the most successful offense in team history and the young WRs are starting to come on.

If Coughlin retires, I think Fewell loses his biggest advocate and is probably a casualty. A Fisher, Spags team would not be all that surprising.

If offered a small extension, he'll stay, and I've been saying I expect NYG to retain him.

If he's not offered a small extension, he's allowed to retire with dignity and the parting is cleaner than firing a great man for whom the NYG franchise has great admiration and respect.

There are TONS of reasons I like Coughlin but his biggest downfall is how he feel in love with complexity and complexity of schemes.

When you play such a complicated system
that may not be a good fit for personnel, it takes away your passion and aggressiveness since you are thinking more than just attacking.

This is not hard to figure out. TC believes in complexity and has failed to realize the law of diminishing returns on getting too intricate with a scheme.

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Told you my answers were right Brett. Nothing about Fisher at all.

When you play such a complicated system
JerseyJoe : 10:00 am
that may not be a good fit for personell, it takes away your passion and aggressiveness since you are thinking more than just attacking.

This is not hard to figure out. TC believes in complexity and has failed to realize the law of diminshing returns on getting to intricate with a scheme.

Coaching is his LIFE. You'll have to tear the "uniform" off of him. Look at his fire, does he look like someone who is ready to retire soon? Didn't work for Lombardi and Parcells, doubt if it works for him.

He may be asked to step down in such a way as to appear he's hanging them up, but within a year or two, he'd be back, even at his age imo..

carry on with your blind flaming, boy it's about all you are good at.

already said that thanks

Can you please tell me what "complexity" means?

You don't believe your own shit, do you?

LTS, you're right....

rather than *blindly* copy/paste the same thoughts all over every thread.

You suck at understanding football, go back to proselytizing, you're MUCH better at that.

I would love to see Spags hired as Asst Coach/DC with TC remaining as HC for 2 more years with a transition to Spags as HC.

he loves his grandkids more than coaching though. He's a family man, first and foremost.

I think Fisher may be a better fit for what this organization wants in a head coach but if Cowher comes at the right price (i.e no demand for GM duties) that might get him strongly in the mix too.

In any event Ill gladly take either provided they come with a good OC/DC combination

Im not doing it again, as you blind flamers cant see...all you want to do is try to refute whatever I say

Just a "spud" enjoying aggressive cluelessness. Maybe you need to prune your argument tree...

I would love to hear a detailed analysis regarding the intricate nature of his schemes and why they are so difficult to master by the players on the field.

Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass again?

if manages to somehow get that ring this year, he'll bow out I think. That would be the ultimate icing and I don't think he'd feel the need to continue.

One more ring and he'll retire. If no ring, I can't see him continuing longer than 3 more years tops.

I'll give you $5 to get off this thread.

is adept at communicating with his players on a different level than Coughlin. I may be totally off-base... but I do not see Fisher's players quitting on him.

That being said... no matter who the next head coach is, we need the guy to bring in top assistants.

Now, if Coughlin DOES retire on his own, then would Reese hire Spags as our head coach? Most of the talk around here was about Spags coming in as the D-Coord. I personally would not want Spags as our head coach and would prefer if he solely focused on our defense. That is his strength.

I'll throw in $5 for him to leave the site...

that's the beauty of it all.

You make yourself out to be a total jackass all on your own. It's rivetingly awesome.

I copied a thought from another thread it now means it isn't true? Wow talk about some impeccable logic. Man we should stop reading good books there are millions of copies of the same ones floating around!

interesting LTS so b/c
JerseyJoe : 10:14 am
I copied a thought from another thread it now means it isn't true? Wow talk about some impeccable logic. Man we should stop reading good books there are millions of copies of the same ones floating around!

even you bud? One would have thought even you could step back for a second rather than join the blind masses.

No you haven't because you don't get what it means.

You point to complexity as if no other team has complex systems.

You point to complexity as if the team doesn't enjoy it.

You point to complexity as if it hasn't been successful.

You point to a shitty coaching staff while simultaneously pointing to Cruz while ignoring the coaches role in his development.

Complexity sounds nice. It's a political answer - sounds good, has no substance.

Can't coach defense the way he wants it played, with that good, old-fashioned Mein Kampf intimidation that he learned playing and coaching for Bud Man. Hec, even Bud Man's twin sons have to pull the horns in with their defenses. If Coughlin retires, I would spin the wheel of fortune on one of the young guys. The next great HC is out there lurking somewhere. Your organization simply has to be talented enough to find him.

He really doesn't get it. There's something wrong when he tries to go from A to B in his mind. He stops off at C and stays there.

Interesting...

to a blind dude like you

yourready our drivel. Or wants you here.

adage about a boat owner's two best days.

Someone here has two best days too - the day they hire the new coach, and the day they fire him.

how awesome he really is

I have no idea what you are talking about.

All I know is you've wrecked this thread. The fact that you can't see that makes me think you ate a lot of paint chips when you were a kid.

I sense my donations to BBI going up this year.

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JerseyJoe Eric from BBI : 10:13 am I'll give you $5 to get off this thread.

Awesome, awesome stuff.

because for years Ive been saying the same things and many have been proven true.

My main contention against Coughlin has been his stubborness and love for extremely complex schemes. Now it isnt just the offense anymore but the defense as well. And multiple articles have come out proving this is true. Multiple QB analists and reporters in the know have even commented about it.

But even when I am proven correct about n unpopular opinion no-one dare acknowledge it b/c you are all so bloodthirsty to knock me down whenever you can.

I also said that if Spags brings an aggressive D here we could win a SUperBowl. Another unpopular (at the time opinion) .He did and we did. I thought IF Fewell would adjust to our teams strengths we'd be really good. He didn't until supposedly this week (and the Garafolo article talks about it) and TC talks about how the player 'magically' played better in practice.

But yeah keep flaming away. That's all you guys like to do to people who have an unpopular opinion.

Holy Christ you are dense.

But, then again, we've all been proven true on that account, and the people that refute the argument that you're an idiot are just haters.

Amirite?

Do you not see how simple that analysis is?

As if "dumb down" and "be aggressive" are legitimate strategies?

Good motivator, had his guys prepared, and always finished strong.

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interesting I wrecked this thread JerseyJoe : 10:26 am because for years Ive been saying the same things and many have been proven true.

He seems like a nice enough guy... Just disagree with his thought process/analysis.

and want him gone Joe...Nothing has proven what you said is true. TC oversees but let's his DCs coordinate, whether they are effective or not. NOTHING to do with complexity on his part.

On offense, his teams both in Jax and here are consistently near the top. Certainly not too complex for a terrific Brunell and an elite Eli, both of whom have more than a modicum of intelligence..

If not look it up.

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I agree w/ Eric, it seemed like his teams were always prepared to play and they never packed it in. I think there was one year they started off 0-7 or 0-8 and went on to win their last 7 or 8 games. It seemed like every time we played them they had inferior talent and they still found a way to win.

Regarding Coughlin, he probably has 5 good years left, tops. 5 more years would total 12 with the Giants, which is an eternity with one team. Coughlin can't coach forever, and it's not a bad idea to start planning for our next HC.

I want to see what JJ's Law of Diminishing Returns is...

Diminishing returns? As in, when you keep reversing yourself with ever-growing certainty, your opinion becomes less and less credible? Something like that?

Norv OC and Spags DC...DO IT!!!!!

I absolutely do and I think it's absurd when applied to this offense.

Sure it's possible, but I would have to assume it is total speculation with no real info behind it. I can't imagine anyone outside of the organization having any real information on this.

when we got a real DC in Spags and the D 'magically' improved. Watch what happens if we go to a more straightforward system where the player can go out and ball than over-think everything on O (and D again). The talent is already here.

And perhaps, when you've done that, you can explain specifically what Jeff Fisher does that is more straighforward.

The idea was to see which coaches made the best halftime adjustments. Which teams came out of the locker room and won the third quarter.

I can't remember all of it but Jeff Fisher was very high if not the top and Fassel was near the bottom.

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I want a young guy we can hire a top OC and DC to help but we need someone to hold the position for many years. All these old coaches have been in the NFL for many years but in truth have not done great jobs but have big reps with little real production to prove it.

teaching guys to stomp and creating a finneganobitch is much more straight forward

but you were certain that hiring Fewell was a home run and when it looked like he was going to go to the Bears, you ripped the Giants for being cheap and not aggressive in getting him.

You acted then like you knew everything about Fewell when you had no fucking clue about him.

You know less than shit about anything sports related. Please take your garbage to the giants.com boards

"An increase in complexity will at some point yield a lower per-unit(offensive)return".



--Thomas Malthus(Giants fan)

straightforward:

the average fan to understand. There are too many intricacies. People in the know have said the same thing. And magazine articles back that up. Watch what happens. The giants should and will hire a football coach.

See how stupid that sounds?

are why no one on here takes you seriously.

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Fewell is the best available JerseyJoe : 1/8/2010 11:06 am He has good experience (not a never has or a has been) and can adjust the scheme to fit personell. He has run multiple looks and formations not just Tampa based on what weve read from multiple sources. And tons of reports that players greatly respond to him and that he's a great teacher of the game. Would Romeo be horrible? Probably not as this D with its talent and a couple tweaks could make a mediocre DC look good. But I still think Fewell is the best fit or a relatively thin field at this point.

Thanks Bob.

Since JJ can only think on the univariate dimension, but what's he's trying to posit falls under multiple dimensions, we shouldn't be surprised he doesn't understand the Law of Diminishing Returns.

It's because he's too simple. The polar opposite of our too complex offensive scheme. Irony? Or fate?

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its what makes offenses great in teh nfl and what makes it harder for defenses to stop them...you think the saints or the packers or the patriots or the colts when peyton manning is the qb are not complicated?

jsut because the system relies on reading and reacting does not mean it is complicated...pretty sure if it was TOO complicated as you put it eli manning wouldnt be over 4500 yards and nicks and cruz wouldnt be over a thousand and cruz wouldnt be ou all time receiving yards leader...

jsut because each play says that a receiver can run two different routes does not mean it is complicated...everything is complicated in the NFL its why rookies have trouble adjusting..its why the colts cant run teh same offense they do under peyton manning...you saying something is too complicated is WRONG...you cant jsut dumb down an offense or defense...

'best available' and 'best from a relatively thin field'

Also 'reports that he adjusts to his personell'



Wow I really guaranteed he's be a shining star here didn't I?

IF he adjusted to his personell he may have been a whole lot better. He didn't (until as reported last week) and we saw the results.

I hope he announces as soon as the season is over and doesn't drag it like, say Parcells did, and leave us with no options.

putting out trial balloons to see how they float. It very well could be exactly as written: Giants want TC back, TC wants to retire.

OR, as so many have speculated all season, IF the Giants decided to part ways, they offer him the opportunity to retire. you really think either side is going to admit to that? Hell no, what you'll hear is exactly what was written.

OR, the Giants see this year as an injury excuse and want to give him a short extension to avoid the lame duck thing. TC puts out the rumor that he's thinking of retiring, and they can spin the short extension as luring him back one more year.

Bottom line, usually you have to read between the lines, but once in a while the lines are what's meant to be read.

you didn't guarantee he would be a shining star Joe, not at all...

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with the talent on D combined with an actual legit DC JerseyJoe : 8/8/2010 12:07 pm we may see Thomas prediction of a dominant D come true (maybe not 85 Bears but something awfully good like 07 playoff Giants or even a tick better) albeit a year later!

is from the Buddy Ryan tree. He also plays dirty. Not sure the Mara's are into that. If TC Retires, Cowher would be the replacement I believe, WITHOUT full control.

1) I have heard several people say that Cowher wants GM duties as well, but I have never seen that reported in the media... can anyone show where that has been actually said or is that just assumption..

2) Fisher or Cowher I would be happier with both but I have leaned toward Fisher a lot more recently. Good coaching background and teams always played well, Believes in running the ball and good defense.. Giant staples..

3) I have read that the Giants seem to like Mike Sullivan as the heir apparent from among the current staff. Wonder how true that is.

4) Coughlin very well could retire at the end of this year and be moved into an " office " position within the organization.

5) The Giants need to start thinking about the coach for the next 5 years while you have a lot of players in their youth or their prime.

is just silly.

We're all wrong sometimes, some of us even most of the time. What makes you a joke and a buffoon isn't that you're frequently wrong - it's that you try so desperately to avoid admitting mistakes by constantly reversing yourself and claiming you never said things you have been PROVEN to have said.

Just say "Damn, I was way off there!", chuckle, and move the hell on. How hard is that to do????

even with a bad loss against Dallas this week. I think Fewell would be the fall guy and TC would retire or get another year extension.

I'm strongly opposed to the unproven NFL HC route. It certainly works sometimes (49ers), but I'm extremely wary of wasting even a second of prime Eli Manning with an unexpected set back. The Giants are very close to serious contention with Eli, JPP, and the 2 receivers. Even if they have a lower ceiling, I'd much prefer a Billick or Fisher or Gruden to a hot coordinator.

Also would like to keep Gilbride. Dream scenario is Spags back at DC. JPP in SS's blitz schemes is orgasmic.

and thought he MAY be a great fit so sue me bud LOL..In theory if he adjusted well as they said he was good at he could have been...

also notice the word 'MAY' above and 'may' in the sentence above you quoted. Reading comp.

Comes out right after the news that Spags expects to be fired, that he'll be courted by both Philly and the Giants, and that Reid could potentially land in SD?

Just the rumor mill run amok, or did someone plant some info in the media to counter some other stuff floating around?

he may be a fit, you told us he would be.

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cant wait to see the impact Fewell makes JerseyJoe : 7/13/2010 10:59 pm on the coverage schemes and the pass rush...Im thinking similiar impact as when we went from Lewis to Spags

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Hey a game plan on D that actually is effective! JerseyJoe : 9/13/2010 5:39 pm I like this Perry Fewell guy! LOL... On a serious note, that was a great article. I am truly excited to see how this D continues to improve under a legit DC. Ive been saying this for awhile now. I expect the D to be as good as it was when we had our last good DC, Mr.Spagnuolo. And if the team stays healthy with all these recent additions like Canty,Rolle,Boley and the rooks we could be even better!

I wouldnt be suprised if they offered Spags the HC job instead of the DC job. I think I'm much more comfortable with him as a strict DC then HC.

You can't admit to being completely wrong.

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Ive been saying this for awhile now. I expect the D to be as good as it was when we had our last good DC, Mr.Spagnuolo. And if the team stays healthy with all these recent additions like Canty,Rolle,Boley and the rooks we could be even better!

Does that sound like you thinking Fewell may be a fit, or may be a good coordinator?

And when he starts ignoring your posts, you know he knows hes wrong.

could have been a decent topic of discussion.

'thinking'. Yes I did expect it ,yes I did think he would be especially after some dominant D performaces last year. I didn't guarantee it sweetie, and I did also admit that what I hoped for didn't work out. Again sue me for being an optimistic fan...Stop trying to blindly flame.

gets overplayed a lot, imo..These prime players will be replaced by other prime players. It's fluid. We have an excellent talent evaluation staff that will keep that going, I'm rather certain..

The rest of you can't resist trying to prove him wrong. Internet stalemate, making you both at fault for multiple threads going astray.

I just hope we can bring Spags back. When Fewell signed up for an NYC job he knew that rumors like this would follow if he performed poorly. It's part of the job description in NY. So if he's a professional he won't be bothered by this and will go out and do his best to prove why he deserves to stay.

But I want Spags back. I hated to see him go and despite his struggles in STL I think he'd be an awesome addition. I would rather have Spags back to support Coughlin than revamp the whole coaching staff with a Fisher or Cowher.

I thought Fewell would be a decent DC. Not great, but decent. I was wrong, I think he's been awful.

No one will mock me because: 1. I admitted I was wrong. 2. They know I'll kick their ass.

JJ,do the same (except replace decent to very good/great), move on. Don't comment on this thread. Let it go.

unless you think BBI is totally a mob mentality group out to "get you" has the light bulb gone off, similar to what you keep hoping occurs with Fewell, that your opinions are not oft times based in reality and if they are, the fact that you keep changing them almost daily is what is disturbing?

give me a fucking break, optimistic fan my ass. You told us every fucking day how great Fewell was going to be for months. This wasn't some guess, you were sure of it. And you were completely wrong, not because you were just being optimistic, but because you are fucking clueless.

Read the thread below and tell us again that you only thought Fewell may be a good quarterback, not that he would be.

I especially love when you called arc out for his Fewell prediction and called him a nit wit. Uhhhh, how did that one work out for you, Joe?
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agree that 'in their prime' gets overused, but sometimes it holds validity. If there's a good core of players, it's not going to be so easy to replace them with others in their prime. quality FA tend to re-sign or go to the highest bidder, and it's no guarantee that the younguns will step up to the plate. And certain individuals, such as Eli, are very difficult to replace. Just as it's unwise to be too cavalier with replacing a decent coach, it's unwise to be too cavalier about being able to replace a decent set of players.

but you just coming on here and making blatant posts that are wrong and just keep repeating yourself even though you were proven wrong is dumb....who cares if your wrong? everyone is wrong....no one is perfect but people get on you when you stick to the same argument when your proved wrong over and over again

Well at least he was right about arc being a nit wit....

he always blames it on just being an optimist. When he is right, he says it's because he's smarter than the rest of us.

It's fucking hilarious

because I feel, especially over the last three years, our defense hasn't had that nasty or intimidating type demeanor. Teams aren't afraid to come in here in November and December. I think he would restore that. His teams in TN were borderline dirty...esp the last time I saw his team visit us in 2010. If you are the opposition, you dislike that. If he's on your side....well, you know the deal there.

However, with Fisher, I wouldn't want the offense to take a back seat because Eli is certainly the main chip for this franchise going forward.

can't disagree, but you know what I was trying to say..

or at least more predictable one. There were plenty of hot names out there in 04. The Giants pick the non-flashy established HC with ties to the team.

In '93 they went with the long established Dan Reeves.

In '97 they went with a guy with ties to the team.

I just do not see the Giants rolling the dice on a Todd Haley type. Their choice will be the "safe", probably boring one. Fisher definitely fits the bill.

Whatever medication you are taking can you please let me know so I can on them bat shit crazy pills.

Email me at Iwannabelikejj@yahoo.com

I already admitted he didn't turn out as I hoped he would. Actually multiple times on this thread and others.

Notice no digging up quotes on my thoughts on Spags LOL.

Aaahhh how we try to just blindly flame one another.....

HOPE he would turn out great. Every frickin one of us here HOPED he would turn out great.

You said he would turn out great. You told us it a million frickin times. You were 100% wrong.

Seriously, just own up to your errors sometimes. Shockingly enough, you'll probably get more respect that way.

but none will acknowledge b/c of the need to blindly flame

Here let me say it again: I was wrong on what I thought Fewell would be.

Now you just need to stop denying that you were an enthusiastic booster of Fewell when he was hired, not a cautious "wait and see" optimist.

There you go..We're good

You bring back Spags as DC/Asst HC. You could pay them both because as a first timer, Sullivan wouldn't cost big $$.

Continuity
Coughlin loves the guy (hand picked successor?)
West Pointer
He's the right age - (Gilbride is too old)
Eli seems to like him
He has experience on both sides of the ball.

His resume is a lot like Coughlin's except for the College head coaching job.

I don't see why you're still fighting, move on. That's a start.

Honestly, you should ask Eric if you can create a new handle, because you do attract some unneeded negative attention when you post just by being JJ.

but if there were a way we could basically pay him 'almost' as much as the HC (Tom, or whoever) to be our DC again - that'd be great for the team.
I also wouldn't be against him as a head coach. Either way, Spags on our staff one way or the other would only benefit us.

I like Fisher, I like Cowher. I find it very interesting that the only thing that'll bring Cowher into coaching again is the Giants. It says a lot about what he thinks of the team and franchise.

a place where Reid blocked a career move for him? Doesn't make sense. Besides, my understanding is that his bride LOVED NY..

Not sure a guy who failed at HC-ing(for now) would come back to us with the perceived tail between his legs..

My sense is he'll take a DC job away from us and the Eagles

that I have heard from somebody who works in the NFL is for Coughlin to come back for one more year with Spags as the new DC who will take over as HC in 2013. Kind of jibes with some of the rumors as of late.

However, this person also said that if the Giants get embarrassed against the Cowboys at home he wouldn't rule out Coughlin deciding to retire.

that's why I'm thinking you pay the man to help him get over that. If his wife loves New York, then all the better.
It's not like the Giants held him back, like a certain other franchise ;)

I think that if this team brings in Spags and maybe even a proven OC like Turner this defense AND offense will play awfully well and more consistently than they did almost any year under TC.

I said I wasnt happy that TC was coming back last year but said Fewell was the best DC of a thin bunch (see Mooks quotes above) . I hoped and thought he would be good since he had a supposed ability to adjust to his persoenlls strenghts. Obviously that didnt work as planned but he did simplify this week (see Garafolo's article) and we 'coincidentally' saw the most complete effort all year on D (also see TC's comments on how the team was 'coincidentally' the most pumped up on D in practice he has seen all year).

I think this O and D have alot of talent and can play at least closer and more consistent to what some of the better defenses like the Ravens and the Saints offense play like. I do not think we have Saint or Packer talent on O but we arent that far off when healthy. The D though is very,very talented and a good DC like Spags would probably allow them to 'magically' improve like he did the first time here.

The Giants are not firing Gilbride. Have you looked at the offense stats this year. Hello? Gilbride is the least of the Giants problems.

If Gilbride takes a head coaching position. The Giants will promote within so they can stick with the same offense. They are not bring in Norv Turner. God, your an idiot.

the thread and even offered him cash to do so and he is still posting on it. How did this guy graduate from HS?

the funny thing is all the things people so vociferously attack me about many are all guilty of themselves.

I don't care if they judge me for being a fan or having strong opinions. I hit on quite a few of them but nobody would dare acknowledge that LOL.

And the complexity of the offense I have been saying for years and took crap for it and it all has been proven true through countless reports.

I am by no means perfect but I have had my share of accurate calls,predictions and opinions.

I am not afraid of being a minority opinion and don't really care if the Mooks,FMiCs,LTS etc want to continue to bash me. I call it as it is and am not afraid to do it.

it's not like he was given a full compliment of starters. Injuries really ravaged the team. Losing TT all season, and then Goff, put him behind the 8-ball to start with.
You find out you're losing your top corner and mike - and see how well you do for a while. Then you lose more corners to injury.

Where I think Fewell has failed is adequately adjusting to the players he's got. The fact that here in week 16/17 he's simplifying (or as Rolle said, "Solidifying") the game plan tells me that Fewell's been badly mistaken all season trying to force these guys to do too much on the fly.

I might be wrong though. I'm not an actual defensive coordinator. I just play one here at my work desk.

if TC potentially retires as rumored, do you think Gilbride is some automatic lock to stay? Think before you blindly bash bud.

pussiest thing any man can do in life is cry victim.

glad you've outed yourself as a pussy.

Yeh, every coordinator has to deal with injuries. But you need to be able to adapt and get the most out of what you have left.

I still think we have enough left even with our holes where we shouldnt be that close to the bottom in defense.

you may be onto something...Complexity of scheme has never been something this entire coaching staff has shied away from.

Just read the quotes and articles over the years for further proof.

another brilliant analysis and bash as usual...congrats

you've earned it dude.

We'll all wrong - all the time! The way you single yourself out is that you rarely admit to being wrong, and only after you get exposed for making up bullshit stories about what you actually said about something to begin with. Just be honest and open for crissakes.

it's our fault

we're bullies

when you actually giving some credit for when I nail something? Because there have been plenty of instances of that too.

I have many of things I hit on that were big minority opinions at the time. But never got any kudos for those. Anyways carry on with the blind flaming,it really doesn't bother me at all.

I call it like it is. Minority opinion or not ,I am not going to carry the company BBI conformist line just out of fear like many others.

How many people around here get lauded because they turned out to be right about something? Isn't the satisfaction of being right enough? Hell, I'm still pleased with myself for saying Alan Faneca would have been a much better choice than Shaun Williams after the 1998 draft. Absolutely no one else on earth remembers that I said that - so what?

quotes LaCanfora as saying the Giants would not go after a big name, except perhaps Fisher. What are some of the other possibilities they might consider?

What HC/GM dual role has worked well? I thought most of them underperformed?

“Don't worry when you are not recognized, but strive to be worthy of recognition.”

Skroob or Camacho?

Please delete this whole thread. Half of it consists of three idiots who insist on having a personal feud.
Half of the rest of it consists of people wishing for Spags as our next head coach. Spags has had no success as a head coach.
Just start it over, hoping that J.J. and his two "friends" don't join in again.

Recognition.

From a message board.

who knows perhaps they would be willing to give Spags the HC spot. I wouldnt be surprised as this organization LOVES their own (or people who have done well here like Spags did)

Or it could be some guy we aren't thinking of at all.

I personally am hoping for the proven track record guys like Fisher and Cowher and getting them good coordinators as well.

First off, let me say that I wouldn't be a bit upset if Coughlin stays for another year or so. I like him. I also must say that I'm ready to move on from Fewell. Some of his gameplans have been head scratching, to say the least, and I'm beginning to wonder if he can motivate players and get them to play to their utmost ability.

That said, I've been an advocate of Fisher taking over if TC retires/is fired for awhile now. I'd rather have Fisher over Cowher for a few reasons but most of all because, I wonder, if Cowher became the HC if he'd want to move the team to a 3-4...which would be the absolute worst thing that could be done with this defense IMO. Putting a talent like JPP at End in a 3-4 would be about the dumbest move in the history of the NFL. THAT is the main reason why I have no interest in Cowher (along with that I just don't think he's all that great coach and is overrated).

A guy like Zimmer, as someone mentioned above, is also someone I'd be interested in but I think he runs a 3-4 too (I can't remember whether he does or not). If he does and is married to it, then scratch him. I'm also on record as saying that I'd be interested in the QB coach from the Packers.

All that said, I hope Coughlin stays for awhile longer and we just get Spags to take Fewell's place.

curtis, amazing ain't it?

certainly explains a lot though

with Spags as DC/HC in waiting

-5 BBI points for me because Spags SUX!!!

I remember that much because Parcells left it in place when he first took over in Dallas

that I needed I certainly wouldn't be posting here.

I am here to post my thoughts on my favorite team. Many of them are dead on even if a minority and have been proven so.

Some were wrong. Just like many other posters here.

If you want to keep blindly judging go right ahead. It really has no effect on me whatsoever. I will keep calling it like it is.

JPP could easily play a 3-4 OLB like Ware. I love him where he is right now and don't want to mess with it, but JPP's talent goes beyond scheme.

The fact that he can also play 3-4 DE for spurts is just awesome. Only a handful of guys have the talent to be a 34DE/34OLB/43DE, JPP is one of them.

Thanks...I thought he did but couldn't clearly remember. I think he's running a 3-4 out in Cincy now though isn't he? I know he's probably running Marvin's D but if he's able to run either defense both well that gives him even more points as far as I'm concerned.

The question about Zimmer is that he has been a highly-regarded DC for over a decade now and is in his mid 50s - the success this year isn't some astonishing development - so why hasn't he been offered an HC job already? That suggests to me there is either a disqualifier or a lack of desire that puts him out of the running as our new HC.

I had no interest in the sidebar.

I am merely posting my thoughts on my team. The blind flamers can't resist b/c there nature is to be miserable and make everyone miserable around them.

He may be able to...but I don't want to have to find out. JPP is a DE. I personally don't THINK he'd be as effective as a 3-4 OLB but I wouldn't doubt JPP being able to do so.

Thanks for the correction. I thought they were running a 3-4 out in Cincy.

I see and agree with your point about how he's been at the top of a lot of lists for a very long time now...and hasn't been given the top job should raise some red flags...but I wouldn't let that stop me from checking him out.

really bashing JerseyJoe for believing Fisher Spags and Norv Turner would be a great coaching staff? Really?? Or is it just his reputation?

He was speculating. TC's job is not on the line here, but a lot of folks here will miss him when he's gone.

Do you actually need for us to give you some kind of a validation by telling you, "Great job, Joe! You were right on your prediction of XXXX!"

It's one thing to come out and admit that you're wrong when people call you out, and it's another to continue to argue by spinning your own argument. You do a lot of spinning.


And honestly, shit comments like this is why we call you out. How do you "know" this organization to the point that you can make an argument like this without providing any backup source, etc? Do you have an inside source in the Giants organization? Do you know the Maras? If not, then all you're doing is speculating and taking credit if your wild speculation actually hits.

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Knowing this organization though JerseyJoe : 11:02 am I wouldnt be suprised if they offered Spags the HC job instead of the DC job. I think I'm much more comfortable with him as a strict DC then HC.

Any cuntmonkey can throw handful of shit on the wall and assert that some of it will stick. You're that cuntmonkey that will argue that will argue that there are stains on the wall so your assertion was correct even if the shit actually don't stick on the wall. And yes, I called you a cuntmonkey.

Im proud of you for your creative mocking ability.

me for being an opinionated fan and also having the guts to have minority opinions that don't jive with some of the 'almighty' holier than thou here on BBI.

it was a good conversation. I apologize for not ignoring the attention whore.

but please eggs, it's the same tired shit from him. He wanted the thread to turn to him. He posted the same shit he's been posting for days as if we didn't hear/read the same posts the first 100,000 times.


I know you like to back the poor victim getting shit on by the 'regulars' but you're supposed to be smarter than to buy into something that dumb.

he's doing the same thing over on cosmic's new thread. I'm refraining there.

thanks for re-posting!

b/c you blindly flame and curse me. LOL.

I was discussing the topic. You took it another direction. How blind are you bud. Can't you see how miserable you are as a person?

thanks for giving me my new favorite word... CUNTMONKEY!!!

I love it!!!

you know nothing about it so please refrain from acting as you do

I come here to talk giants football and occasionally suffer fools that display their ignorance on the game.

hope you had a wonderful holiday and I wish you a happy new year.

in 3, 2, 1...

Had to do it Midn

its jersey joe continuing on and on ignoring everyones elses post jut to get his accross even after he was proven wrong...

he keeps insisting our offense is too complex(yet we have a 4500 yard passer and 2 1000 yard receivers) without giving any kind of evidence...

andgoing and going and going..

is littered with them. Only one missing is FMIC.

His opinion is what keeps me going day after day...

is our closer

he is haha

it is based on JJ's reputation more than this specific argument.

sign up for that trio though so long as the chemistry is right. Ideally like Osi said I just want Spags back in any capacity. Preferably back to DC until Coughlin is really ready to go and then the next HC. If Coughlin does retire yeah I would take a chance on Spags as HC. Our offense is still going to rock. We won't sink like St Louis IMO.

would you consider this group the BBI Elitists? Or BBI Thought Police? If it's BBI Thought Police, then you have to bring in yankee78 also...that's the commissioner.

tell anyone how to think

it's like watching a school of sharks swarm a wounded baby seal.

Some people yearn for the attention - and even come right out and say they do!

the "victims" bring up BBI Elitists and BBI Thought Police to describe those who call spade a spade (albeit in not so nice terms).

No one here is telling JerseyJoe how or what to think. However, people are telling him that he's a fucking moron and a blowhard, who needs to stop dribbling his BS around without any sources then argue his point even when proven wrong.

it was a joke that yankee78 once took part in on a thread where someone accused others of being part of the BBI Elitists and BBI Thought Police. Yankee78 volunteered to be the commissioner, that's all.

Are they new bands?

retiring and it's commandeered into trash talk and bullshit between the "Elitists" and the 99%ers ;-} Five pages and half is useless diatribes - NTTAWWT. Well ok it is pretty funny.

Ok I'm on the Cowher side of the camp at this moment. The Steelers were almost always a playoff team. Cowher only had one Super Bowl win, but was always competitive. He got the best out of his guys year after year.

Have to admit after the Redskins debacle I was for TC's scalp along with PFs. After my tantrum subsided I realized there just aren't any head coaches out there better than TC and maybe just a handful his equal. I still think Perry should not be re-signed and if Spags is available,bring him back.

argue. If you think he's an attention whore, don't give him attention. If you think he's a moron, engaging him isn't going to change the situation. It only gives him more opportunity. It's really quite simple.

If this thread is a mess, there's blood on a lot of hands.

The thing is, some of us enjoy it...I know that Brett does. He's one mean motherf'er.

I apologized, I have a boring week of work with no students and I've literally done all my prep for awhile.

No excuse but I've owned up. I usually do. I should be better than that. But at what point does the troll do the same? He continued the same crap on another thread immediately even when asked not to in the OP.

Chickenshit from him, and chickenshit to defend him, imho.

what did I do?

Team meeting BBI Elitists...bring cookies. =)

Dude...no need to apologize to anyone. This is a message board. You've proven yourself to be a great contributor and a great poster through many years. If some dingbat blowhard decides to continue to troll around so that he can get "credit" for hitting on some wild speculation, I think it's his fellow posters' responsibilities to call him out on it. But then again, I don't have any qualms about being a dick.

Our commish is here! HI YANKEE78!!!

*blows kisses at my minions*

I've tried to ignore him too many times to count. He's one of the biggest reasons I concentrate hard on finding better things to do with my time than come here.

I'll just never understand the defense of a common troll. Because that's all he is. A troll. And he proved it today like a champ on the other thread.

Two to tango, for sure. But when someone continues to piss on your living room floor with no repercussion (just an example), eventually some action should be taken.

I hope you don't think I'm defending him. I'm not. Truth be told, I don't know much of what he says. I've set my brain to automatic filter. If he says something these days, I know it's likely to be the same old same old, and ignore it. It doesn't consciously ring an alarm until the minions start sniping with him. I can usually filter that out, too, but this thread is too far gone. Now, rather than join the ranks of those who insanely think they can change the behavior of those who don't want to change (both sides of the coin in this situation), I'm done with commenting on it.

I guess it annoys me slightly that he's been trolling this place for years. The living room example above. People like him and others with loud, uninformed opinions are exactly why I don't frequent here as much (in addition to just less free time) and I think that's a shame, because I like a lot of folks here.

Hope all's been well with you, sir.

awhile back that the next HC would likely be defensive oriented. He speculated it would be Cowher for that and other reasons.

I see everyone is accepting the idea that Reese won't take him. Well Reese doesn't call the shots right now. Neither does Coughlin.


They still have a very losable game against Dallas on Sunday and if that happens all bets are off.

it was rumored last offseason that there were at least 3 factions in Giants territory. Folks tend to forget that the owners are hands on, just not as obnoxiously intrusive as Dallas/Washington/former Raiders.

$5.00?

Cuntmonkey! Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaha! Cunt-Monkey! Yeah! CM for short!