How Many Championships Do The Giants Have?

The Giants have eight titles.
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are number of Championships by franchise...
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When Cowboys fan tell us they have more....they're wrong?

Eric...all things equal...wouldn't you rather it be 6 SB+2 NFL titles then 4+4 or the Bears 1+8?

Seems most people ignore and don't value non-SBs.

So wow, technically the Bills are World Champions and thus the city of Buffalo has won a pro championship.

NFL Championship is an NFL Championship.

I have no idea why the Super Bowl is emphasized more.

certainly. They were a woeful NFL franchise until the 70's. There was a time that they merged with the Eagles to avoid going bankrupt.

I would say that NFL titles pre-super bowl are just as good as super bowl titles.

Afl titles? I dunno, that's up for debate. The early years of the AFL, they probably were not up to snuff with the NFL, but they certainly got there quickly.

And tally up the super bowls since the merger. A pretty large majority have been won by (old)NFL franchises- Giants, Steelers, 49ers (from the AAFC in '40's), Colts, Packers.

I don't count the Cowboys, because they were an expansion team around the time of the merger along with the Vikings and Saints?(I don't remember what year off the top of my head)

it depends if you consider the AFL the equivalent of the NFL pre-merger.

To me, by very definition, an AFL Championship is not an NFL Championship.

That's like saying a USFL Championship is an NFL Championship.

way I look at it now, we're third (8) behind the Packers (13) and Bears (9). I think that's a fairly mainstream view.

So in your view, no AFL team's titles pre-SB should count?

Should the Browns AAFC count?

Is that it means the Eagles have zero.

I don't think so. But that's me.

When you state a team has won so many "NFL Championships," but definition, I think you are talking "NFL Championship."

Yea...I mean I kinda think the Pats 3 counts more than Iggles 3.

I agree that pre-Super Bowl titles should count, but I think most fans view championships post '66 as the true barometer.

nor was the AFL, until the merger. There has been a very definite "NFL Championship Game" every year. There really is no ambiguity at all.

The Colts lost to the Jets pre-merger.
Do we count the Colts as being NFL champions?

aAFC title.....I mean who even survived that league? Browns and 9ers, right?

I know some feel that way, but that's just plain idiotic.

So should we not count all those Boston Celtic titles because they were so long ago?

To me, an NFL Championship is an NFL Championship. "Super Bowl" is simple marketing.

Yes it counts. They won the NFL Championship. The Jets won the Superbowl, but were not part of the NFL at the time so by definition could not have won the NFL Championship.

Is because it pisses off the Eagle fans. Otherwise a Vince Lombardi Trophy is worth one of these:

Ed Thorp Memorial Trophy

then won the NFL championship the next season...Baltimore (1-11) and San Francisco (3-9) who merged into the NFL with Cleveland did worse...Cleveland featured HOF's Otto Graham at QB, Marion Motley at RB, Lou Groza OG/K, Frank Gatski C, and Dante Lavelli at E.

They fortuitously received from the demise of the NY franchise in the AAFC, HOF DT Arnie Weinmeister, DB Tom Landry, DB Otto Schnellbacher and DB Harmon Rowe all essential members of the umbrella defense...

time NFL champions. If anyone tries to argue against this ask them why are Lombardi's Packers so legendary. Is it because they won the first 2 super bowls or because they won 5 NFL Championships in 7 years.

And much like Baseball's Red Sox and Cubs have paid dearly for it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/486069-minnesota-vikings-the-curse-of-the-ed-thorp-memorial-trophy

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because they were dissolved by the NFL after one season...Y.A. Tittle their QB went onto the 49ers.

The Colts returned in 1953...the NY Yanks were bought by the NFL after the 1952 season and moved to Dallas, however that franchise was a failure and by the middle of the season were operating out of Hershey PA, run by the league once again, and playing all their games on the road. The Texans would fold at the end of the season and the NFL awarded a franchise to Baltimore after a pledge of 15,000 season tickets, the new Baltimore Colts would take several Dallas players.

hits the nail on the head.

I only count Super Bowl's because it's awesome to then laugh at the penis gobbling eagle fans when they don't have one

more contemporary feel. Most of the teams in existence today have been around for most of, if not all of, the Super Bowl era. Those more recent teams (the ones that don't go back to 1925) will say that their 5 titles in FL about 50 years is better than our 8 in about 90 years. They can argue (rightfully) that they didn't have the extra 40 years that we did to get titles in a smaller NFL.

The truth is both sides have merit and we can proudly say we have 8 NFL titles. Ranking 3rd all time. And 4 SB titles. Ranking 4th all time. Success in all eras.

there has been expansion in every sport.

Should we not count the old Yankee titles because there were fewer teams?

of course they are counted. But when a team enters the league in 1970 (for example) their frame of reference for their success is the time since they came into existence.

Sometimes picking a round number works. For instance, in the last 25 years, we have won 4 Super Bowls and been the most successful franchise in the NFL.

I can see why older fans would refer to all Championships but I'm in my 20's, and just talking football with people around my age it's basically understood that everything is Super Bowl era. The league changed with the merger.

Just depends who you're talking to I guess. Super Bowls are the key thing now, but you'll still see Green Bay referenced as Titletown and that's not because of the 4 Super Bowls they've won, at least not entirely.

Look at how NFL franchises display things though. The Giants have the Lombardi trophies on display, the mural outside their locker room is Super Bowl era. I think the accepted standard for modern day discussion and comparison among franchises is Super Bowl era.

I'm not arguing it because it inflates the number of Giants' championships. If the Giants had zero pre-Super Bowl championships, I would still think it isn't right to discount what teams did before the Super Bowl.

As I said before, the Super Bowl was a marketing ploy. And a very successful one.

But it doesn't diminish what the Packers, Bears, etc. did before the Super Bowl. Or even teams like the Eagles.

the league changed with the merger because it dramatically expanded the league. But there were many teams in the NFL's early days that also went under.

If we are going to discount NFL Championships before 1970s, then we will have to do so for baseball, basketball, and hockey too.

pre-Superbowl...first to survive the West you had to beat Don Shula's Colts, George Allen's Rams, the 49ers had some skilled performers, the Bears had Sayers and Butkus, the Lions defense was strong,and the Vikings were on the rise.

The East was the weaker division once the Giants collapsed there was the Browns and by 1966 Dallas. But winning the West was a real challenge.

We are really third either way you look at it.....which is amazing....IMO

T-3rd most Super Bowls 4 (unless you consider us 4th because of the tie with Dal And SF)

T-3rd NFL Championships 8 (W/ Cleveland)

Any argument people make, IMO we are in the Top Tier......

Given the stability of our franchise compared to some on that list, I expect we can continue to bulid on that in our lifetimes :)

Or in the case of Lombardi's Packers, 1967 and earlier.

Allen didn't turn the Rams around until 1966...

5 NFL championship game losses in 6 years (1958, 1959, 1961-63.) Maybe that means that the Bills and Vikings will win a few Super Bowls eventually.

I argue that Landry's pre-SB achievements shouldn't count. That also discounts Lombardi. They claim that there weren't as many teams and minorities weren't allowed to play etc.

But with that thinking, baseball records are crap. Babe Ruth wasn't up against Satchel Page.

IMO, the pre-Super Bowl championships count just as much as the Super Bowls, because the players who won those titles created the team's tradition (and were part of creating the league's tradition, along with the legends from the other old-school franchises).

only because if I didn't, then I couldn't ridicule Eagles' fans for their team never having won a World Championship.

Priorities, people.

I could not believe after SB XLII that Goodell congratulated the Giants on their third NFL championship (not Super Bowl) like the commissioner was discounting everything that went before the Super Bowl.

Super Bowls and NFL championships. Super Bowls are NFL Championships,

the Yankees had many championships pre-1976. It just sucks because the Eagles have 3 this way.

then did the Colts SB loss to the Jets COUNT as an NFL Championship?

How do we handle pre-merger SBs?
Older fans, were those considered exhibition games?