I looked at the Sporting News 2004 Pro Football Draft Guide last night. Reading the "Team Needs" section, and reviewing the "Projected Depth Chart" made me fully realize that we sure got a whole lot smarter in our draft selections and free agent acquisitions once Tom Coughlin arrived on the scene! Gosh, was our roster pretty putrid! It's also interesting to note that Sporting News gave no chance of us selecting a franchise QB in the 2004 draft when this was originally published.
TEAM NEEDS:
1. Offensive Tackle
Ian Allen struggled as the starter on the right side last year, but Jeff Hatch isn't ready to replace him, and left tackle Luke Petitgout is returning from back probelems. What does it all mean? The Giants could add as many as two tackles in the free-agent market and/or the draft. Iowa's Robert Gallery is the one they're targeting with the fourth overall selection. They also could draft a development type such as Cal State Sacramento's Martko Cavka or UC-Davis' Brad Lekkerkerker in the late rounds.
2. Safety
Omar Stoutmire yields too many big plays for an experienced starter. Johnnie Harris, an unrestricted free agent expected back, is declining. Shaun Williams is coming off a season-ending knee injury and disappointing year, but he was hindered by Stoutmire and injuries at corner. Williams should bounce back if the team adds a safety who doesn't need to be protected in coverage as much as Stoutmire. The Giants could select Miami's Sean Taylor with the fourth overall pick, but drafting Gallery there and using a second-round selection on a safety such as Georgia's Sean Jones, Iowa's Bob Sanders or Purdue's Stuart Schweigert makes more sense.
3. Outside linebacker
New York is expected to re-sign unrestricted free agent Brandon Short, but it's unlikely Dhani Jones, an unrestricted free agent, will return. Wesly Mallard, Kevin Lewis and Quincy Monk provide adequate depth but aren't starting material. Georgia Tech's Keyaron Fox and Oklahoma's Teddy Lehman should be available on Day 1.
4. Defeensive tackle
The Giants want to re-sign Cornelius Griffin, an unrestricted free-agent, but he may be too expensive. If he bolts, this becomes a big need. William Joseph failed to make an impact as a rookie, though he still has the potential to develop into a solid starter. With Keith Hamilton expected to retire and Lance Legree lacking bulk, the team needs a tackle who can push Joseph. If a free agent isn't obtained, Mississippi State's Tommy Kelly, Stanford's Amon Gordon and Iowa State's Jordan Carstens will be good values if they slip to Day 2.
5. Cornerback
Will Peterson and Will Allen form a good starting duo, but depth is needed. Ralph Brown, an unrestricted free agent who probably will return, is an inconsistent open-field tackler and lacks height. Arkansas' Ahmad Carroll, Texas' Nathan Vasher and Florida's Keiwan Ratliff are third-round prospects capable of replacing Brown in the nickel package right away.
6. Quarterback
Jesse Palmer and Jason Garrett aren't expected back. The Giants probably will sign a free agent to back up Kerry Collins and then use a late-round pick on a developmental prospect. Washington's Cody Pickett, LSU's Matt Mauck and Michigan State's Jeff Smoker are Day 2 prospects with upside.
7. Inside linebacker
Mike Barrow continues to play at a high level, but he is aging. Nick Greisen makes his biggest contributions on special teams. The Giants need to start molding a possible replacement for Barrow while also improving their depth. Oregon State's Richard Siegler, Kansas State's Bryan Hickman and Northern Iowa's Jonathan Harrell could be steals on Day 2.
8. Guard
David Diehl did an adequate job as a rookie starter last season. Rich Seubert missed 10 games with an ankle injury, and Wayne Lucier and Scott Peters struggled in relief. Alabama's Atlas Herrion, Wake Forest's Tyson Clabo and UTEP's Trey Darilek are projected late-round picks who could spell Seubert.
9. Defensive end
Kenny Holmes opted to void his contract and is expected to be replaced in the lineup by Osi Umenyiora. Keith Washington, an unrestricted free agent who's expected to return, adds depth. Adding an explosive situational pass rusher would help keep the starters fresh and, hopefully draw attention from Michael Strahan. Western Michigan's Jason Babin, Virginia Tech's Nathaniel Adibi and Florida's Bobby McCray are Day 2 possibilities.
THE OUTLOOK:
It appears that the Giants will end up with Gallery unless a team leap-frogs ahead of them to select the Iowa tackle. After that, the Giants must focus on defense. Ideally, they would draft a potential starter such as Jones at safety in the second round, and then get a cornerback such as Vasher or an outside linebacker such as Lehman in the third round. The Giants have needs at defensive tackle and defensive end, but they spent high picks on Joseph and Umenyiora last year. They might look for a tackle such as Gordon or an end such as Adibi in the fourth round and try to fill the other need with a free agent. In the final rounds, they'll need to address depth issues in the interior of the offensive line and at inside linebacker and quarterback.
QB
Kerry Collins
Jesse Palmer
FB
Jim Finn
RB
Tiki Barber
Dorsey Levins
WR
Amani Toomer
Tim Carter
WR
Ike Hilliard
David Tyree
TE
Jeremy Shockey
Marcellus Rivers
LT
Luke Petitgout
Ian Allen
LG
Rich Seubert
Scott Peters
C
Chris Bober
Wayne Lucier
RG
David Diehl
Jeff Roehl
RT
Ian Allen
Jeff Roehl
K
Matt Bryant
DEFENSE
LE
Michael Strahan
Keith Washington
LT
Cornelius Griffin
Lance Legree
RT
William Joseph
Lance Legree
RE
Osi Umenyiora
Keith Washington
SLB
Brandon Short
Quincy Monk
MLB
Michael Barrow
Nick Greisen
WLB
Kevin Lewis
Wesly Mallard
LCB
Will Allen
Frank Walker
SS
Shaun Williams
Clarence LeBlanc
FS
Omar Stoutmire
Johnnie Harris
RCB
Will Peterson
Ralph Brown
P
Jeff Feagles
any one of those three....we would still be looking for a QB!
That's one of the reasons I try and always give Coughlin the benefit of the doubt - I remember some of the names that put on the laundry under Fassel.
I did not think it was a good idea to hire/draft a "franchise QB" who would then command 10%-15% of the team's cap space.
Now I'm older and wiser.
What an amazing draft class that was.
I too was a big Eli fan from day 1 and before the draft. I do remember having to argue for the trade with my buddies for several days and years after that draft.
They all have at one point or another told me I was right.
Coughlin, Reese and Eli have brought a championship Air to this team!
threw the remote with the Eli trade
oops
I was not a big Sean Taylor fan, and having watched nearly all of his games continue to think the unfortunate way his life ended has contributed to him being overrated in people's minds. I loved Fitzgerald, but we HAD to come out of that draft with a new QB. We couldn't suffer Collins anymore.
The next off-season, 2005, was when Snee and McKenzie were added to Diehl, O'Hara and eventually the return of Seubert
They went on to an NFL record 37? consecutive starts - I believe that streak started the end of 2006 or beginning of 2007.
2) Fitzgerald
3) Taylor
4) Roethlisberger
5) Eli
I thought Collins just needed a better offensive line. Years later, after seeing what Eli can do, I know realize the clear difference between a quarterback who is decent and one who is great.
And I'm really glad that the Giants picked Eli over Roethlisberger, because I'd rather not be cheering for a rapist.
Richie78 - Seubert missed a lot of 2003, all of 2004 and most of 2005 with the gruesome leg injury.
Had we not come back to beat the Jets in OT we get Eli for free that year
- When the QB plays as poorly as Collins did in 2003;
- When the incoming coach is implementing a complex offensive system that calls for the QB to make difficult reads, often under duress;
- When the incoming draft class has the quality of the 2004 class...
...then QB is absolutely the #1 priority.
I remember the Collins supporters around here stating for sure that he would go to Oakland with Norv Turner (and in 2005 Randy Moss) and light it up. I was lambasted for saying he wouldn't be much different than he had been here. What the Raiders got with Collins as a starter was a 7-21 record in two seasons where he threw 41 total TDs (including 3 in the last game of the season in 2005 against the Giants to bring his '05 total to 20). And that was in the AFC West.
Replacing Collins was absolutely the top priority. I doubt very seriously if Coughlin wanted any part of him at all.
I wish I could bump into the Giants fan I ran into at the 04 draft day party. He would not even let me get a word in edge wise once the trade was announced. I think he said I was as stupid as Ernie Accorsi, lol. Where's that dude now.
Go for what? Under Collins the team was somewhere around 36-32, 2-2 in the playoffs and Collins had clearly displayed a mediocre skill set. He never threw for more than what, 22 TDs? The Giants offense never cracked the top 10 under his watch. The Giants were toiling in mediocrity and they had a shot at a MANNING! And Giant fans, plenty of them, were actually pissed at Eli because he WANTED to play in NY!!! "He's a brat"----WTF! I was thrilled that Eli insisted on playing here. FINALLY, a super star type prospect went out of his way to single out the Giants in a positive light.
And to think....some Giant fans hated that quality in Eli. I still can't get over that.
You know damn well that he had his eye on the Giants job for at least the entire month of December while he scouted the NFL for the entire season.
It was a perfect storm. Fired Coach, mutual interest, top 4 pick and a franchise QB that the GM was gung-ho for.
Collins never stood a chance.
Eli comes along, plays every game from 2005-2007 and wins a division title and gets his team to 3 straight playoff appearances and I still got shit from die hard fans both here and everywhere that not only was Eli a shitty QB, he was a spoiled brat for choosing to play in NY. Again, I can't stress enough how much that just blows me away.
IT's fun to reflect.
Either way, nothing special. Collins was overvalued by many of us (me included) because he was a legit NFL QB, which was something the Giants hadn't seen since Phil Simms. It took 6 years to get one after #11 retired. I mean, Dave Brown never threw for 300 yards in 60 career starts. Not once. Hell, he only broke 250 in 6 of 60 starts.
I didn't like it when Elway did it, when Lindros did it, when JD Drew did it, it just makes you look like you can't play for a perennial losing team and make them better, you look worse for having that attitude, not better IMO.