francesca reporting giants to sign Jacob Tamme?

great news. Love this guy.

only 236.

Hes talking peyton manning the last 3 days

That would be an excellent signing.

so by extension so does Eli probably. He'll get the real skinny from Peyton

awfully small.

against Tamme. He dominated my team in the state championship two years in a row.

6'3
236

thats a bit small no?

be more of a replacement for Beckum than Ballard.

He would likely fill Beckums role. His 2010 is likely what the Giants envisioned Beckum to be when they drafted him.

Beckum... Hopefully this is true, so tired of Beckum.

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I don't think you watched the Super Bowl.

and Ballard start off on the PUP list does their salary count against this years cap?

67 catches though the season before is nice. We need some guys there so signing one, if cheap, will help. We do need a big body guy though.

your going to sum up all his time here on 1 game, your observation is awful.

Ballard and Beckum are cheap.

No dumbass. Beckum tore his ACL in the Super Bowl. He may be out of the year. So you saying goodbye to Beckum is kind of missing the point.

I was one of the biggest anti-Beckum guys but we seems to start to find a way to pull him into the game plan. I think he gets a shot for certain now when he comes back.

I think Barden has less of a shot than Beckum, including injury, I would never thought in a million years I would say that.

saying it's not true but nothing on Twitter mentioning him saying this yet.

they aren't due much at all, I was just wondering in general.

Not if we lose Manningham. There is a good chance Barden is our opening day #3 WR.

hasn't been cut, and is a FA, he can't sign until March 13 at 4PM.

So this report is either inaccurate or Francesca is saying he's hearing a rumor.

else listening that can confirm what Fatcessa is saying?

just so we don't blow our pick on a TE in the first round.

He is extremely small, even for a move TE/H-back role. And perhaps it was Beckum, but the move TE/H-back wasn't utilized too often.

One would assume an in-line/traditional TE would be way more of a priority.

started to play a bigger role in the offense as the season went along. He was buried in the dog house for a while after the first Philly game when he botched the 4th and short reception, but the Giants were actively trying to get him more passes underneath, to take advantage of his quickness as teams were worrying about Cruz and Nicks. Tamme is a guy who can fill that role.

Is he a Ham'n'Egger or does he have potential? Who is he more like?

Tamme isn't an every down TE in this offense anyway. Gilbride stressed blocking more than receiving from the position and Tamme isn't known as a good blocker (also on the smaller size). As others have mentioned, he's probably more of a replacement for Beckum as our H-Back.

your missing the point, ever since you started posting in the last couple years your arrogance has gone to your head. You think your all knowing. I was implying that Beckum was and has been worthless. We continued to give this fragile guy a chance and he did nothing. Apparently you like to come to conclusion before actually knowing the reasoning behind a statement. For a guy who runs his own site you might be more respectful.

Reese is losing it. ;)

Nothin' yet on his Twitta page...
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think more of former Coughlin favorite at BC and Jax (and a former Giant) in Pete Mitchell. A more undersized TE who can work the intermediate zone and will help convert the 3rd and short/mid range passes.

I know. It was more of a joke than anything. I just really don't want a TE in the first round.

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No I meant posting more often then he did in the past.

know how anyone could say (with a straight face) that Beckum was becoming a bigger part of our offense as the season went along. He had 5 receptions (not a misprint) and 93 yards in the regular season (that INCLUDES the 67 yarder)!

Ever since I've been posting the last couple of years?

I've been posting since the site was established 17 years ago. And I've been arrogant the entire time.

Regardless, your point seemed to suggest that this move was made because the Giants were done with Beckum. That's not true. If this move is made, it's because Beckum tore his ACL.

I'm no big fan of Beckum, but anyone who watched this team down the stretch saw that Beckum got a TON of playing time and was coming on as a blocker and pass receiver.

That play in the Green Bay was a real thing of beauty.

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Beckum was playing a ton. Stats are not a great indicator of "coming on", but he had 5 catches in 16 regular season games but 7 in four playoff games.

just awesome stuff

what?

Im on my lunch break from 1-2 every day and he hasnt said a word about the giants. Its all Peyton all the time right now

I actually post less than I did in the past...so wrong again.

true but that was more due to the fact that Pascoe was useless and Beckum was our #2 TE. Beckum is okay, but I think we all expected more out of him.

blocking in the playoffs was very good.

was starting to get more involved at least snaps wise towards the end of the season and in the playoffs. Whether it was finally him putting it together or the Giants gameplan to create mismatches isn't clear. My guess would be a little bit of both. They wouldn't just toss a useless player out in the biggest games of the year.

We still need to sign a big blocking TE with the changes coming to the offensive line.

Eric gets to feel the pain I've felt for so long!

Glad to see you just arrive in the past couple years big guy!

I remember when it used to be a rite of passage to get ripped in the Letters section. Now he's an arrogant guy just starting to give opinions lately? To quote a past soul wow.....just wow.

with a shitty QB. A pretty good year in 2010. Yes I would be very happy with Tamme!! Something like 2 yr/ 6 million type deal. Go out and sign either Kellen Davis or Martellus Bennett as our blocking TE and we are in better shape at TE then this past year!!

without BBI knowing first? How did francesser out scoop everyone else?

i'm not sure of the scenario yet but I still find it highly unlikely that Barden is our #3 receiver come opening day this year. In fact, he is not even going to be there on the initial depth chart.

I think Thomas and Hixon have probably already hopped him and quite frankly, I think Jernigan is going to get a shot as well. And that is before any FA move or the draft.

We'll see how he does in the pre-season but I see nothing to indicate how Barden is near our #3 even with Mario leaving. I simple don't..

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Giants Potential Free Agent Target: Jacob Tamme, TE, Colts by Ed Valentine on Mar 8, 2012 5:02 PM EST in New York Giants News The 6-foot-4, 234-pounder, who will be 27 on March 15, will hit the free-agent market next Tuesday. How would he look trading his Colts blue for Giants blue, and catching passes from Eli Manning instead of Peyton Manning? Tamme might not be big enough to be an every down in-line tight end. He might, however, be the type of H-Back or moving tight end who could replace Travis Beckum -- and improve on Beckum's productivity. Tamme probably isn't going to require a mega-contract either, which would make him a decent candidate for the salary-cap handcuffed Giants.

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if we gave Tamme $3mm/yr to take Beckum's role I'd be really pissed off. That would be a waste.

...and Eric, you really should be more respectful.

Since it's seems likely Hopkins and Pascoe will also make the roster.

I thought BBI posters preferred Kellen Davis? Maybe Tamme comes more cheaply.

It shouldn't take almost 3 years for a TE to learn our system when Pope is given such high praise on how he makes our TE's better. They guy was pretty much non-existent except for 1 play. The guy was suppose to be a project with blocking not with his offensive skills. He lacked in both departments. Tamme is good replacement for Beckum, but we need a bigger TE who can block and get down the seam.

and found one blurb about it on a giants site. So for right now it is just big Mike doing his thing. Would be a great pickup in my opinion. Still need to address TE after it though.

got the word via his new time traveling app on the iPhone...

a match made in heaven

I don't listen to that guy, but maybe he was just talking about FA TE's and saw Tamme's name and said "thats who the giants should sign" or something.

just a thought...if he's a FA (and wasn't cut) then he can't sign until next week anyway, as someone pointed out...

this would let us use our 1st round pick on something else, and we can target a blocking specialist later in the draft.

He is probably going to get close to that. He's a better player than Beckum who we mentioned had 12 catches in a total of what 16 or 17 games? The Colts were shit last year and his production was down. In 2010 he had 67 catches for 650 yards and 4 TDs. I'd pay 3 million for 67 catches.

But then, I'm a toadie who merely parrots his opinions.

we can't have a blocking specialist and receiving specialist at TE. We need a guy who does a good job at blocking that can also be somewhat of a threat in the receiving game (anything more is just a bonus). I don't think Jacob Tamme changes our strategy at all when it comes to getting a TE...we still need to add someone either in FA or EARLY in the Draft.

and played 16 games for 3 out of 4 seasons. not much of a blocker. I think Hynoski already is a better choice then this guy for h-back role.

This move does not make sense imo

in theory I agree, but we didn't have that strategy last year. We basically had nobodies and decided it "was good enough".

I guess I'm not really worried about TE. We will figure it out one way or another.

are some guys out there like Kellen Davis who I would strongly consider.

you're a big meanie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

got him for pennies on the dollar I really don't understand or like this move. H-Back has never been a prominent role in our offense and we have other needs that need to be addressed. As I said earlier, if we paid anything close to $3mm/yr, that would be a total waste.

Dreesen has been mentioned. He lacks ideal size, but I've seen conflicting scouting reports on his blocking.

prototypical TE. one that can block and catch the ball. We should grab Fleener. The rest of these guys tamme included are just ham'n'eggers.

Eric kicked my dog.

Exactly!! Everybody thought we had the worst TEs in the league last year. They turned out pretty well. When you have Bradshaw,Jacobs,Nicks & Cruz getting the attention with Eli at QB you can put a marginal player at TE and he looks a lot better than he is. We need to get two TEs. If we got Tamme along with either Bennett or Davis we are in better shape then we were this time last year!

H-back type if this is true. A bit surprising but Tamme caught 67 passes in 2010. That's proven performance at least.

There isn't one report out there to corroborate this.

Everybody calm down.

wonder if Shiancoe would get a look.

How can he be reporting anything on who the Giants are signing? At most he can SPECULATE who they may be interested in. I'm F*cking shocked he's even talking about football. What, did he fall and bang his head and knock some sense into it?

with a 1st round TE selection if TT and/or Ross were locked up. So i guess I should reserve judgement until they sign contracts.

I never said draft a TE in round one. In fact, I've argued against it.

how many times did hynoski or pascoe catch a pass from H-back position to move the chains? Answer-Alot..especially when your own RB's cannot convert 3rd and 1.

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Tamme is an unrestricted free agent. I thought he had a year left.

in Eli's tenure from a running team into an elite passing team. We have no idea what this coaching staff is thinking. Not suggestion we can't talk about it, but I wouldn't be so sure that the Giants don't want an "h-back"

pass, it didn't have to be at 32nd pick..I thought when yo said Davis you meant one of the TE in th draft and not a FA

do you want to take Hynoski out of the Fullback role in order to put Tamme in an H-Back position? The reason he's able to be successful is b/c teams expect him to block but he's coming out of the backfield to catch the pass. If Tamme is back there then we'd be telegraphing pass plays (b/c I don't think he is good enough as a blocker to block from the fullback position).

At 3 mil per would have me shaking my head plus I just don't see 60+ balls to the TE with our WR's. He does not sound like a blocking TE so his 1st and 2nd downs numbers would be somewhat low.

or both would be good.

No TE in Round 1.

I don't mind signing him, but i'd like to keep a good chunk of that in the hopes of signing TT/Ross

Not a lot because Pascoe isn't that good. Tamme in 1 season has more production that Pascoe his entire career. Once again if we can go out and sign a guy like Bennett or Davis who block really well and catch decent then go out and sign a guy who catches really well and blocks adequately we are in better shape than this time last year.

I'm missing something, the only person mentioning $3 million is Josh.

H-back position regardless. I really don't think teams care who is in our backfield with Nicks and Cruz out there to double. The point i was trying to make is that our RB's cannot make a 3rd and 1. we are dead last in rushing and as a result it makes the H-back position very important to moving the chains in play action.

but I can't see them signing two FA Tight Ends when they're already short on cash to begin with.

I could be wrong of course but it just seems out of character.

what Bennett's price will be...

Both are about 6-3, 235. Both are receivers first.

If Tamme comes in, could mean Beckum goes out.

a TE in first two rounds..imo

I said around a 2 year 6 million dollar contract. He will get something similar to that I am sure. A TE that is fairly young that catches the ball well is valuable. In 2010 Ben Watson had a nearly identical season and he got a 3 year 12 million dollar contract.

I doubt Beckum sees the field in 2012. Shame.

Tamme is a real smart guy who could be an exciting weapon.

Besides TE we don't have many other holes. Our oline could use some upgrading but those guys cost a lot of money. We literally have nobody at TE.

He'll be given a set of plays that fits his abilities ... and the more time he spends watching film with Eli during the off season ... the bigger that package will be ...

It seems like there could be quite a lot he can do and be involved with ...

can literally take over the "Steve Smith" role, only with more YAC. 3rd down conversions would increase with a guy like Tamme on the field.

we def have some issues that need to be addressed. We need a TE, CB (or 2), MLB, OL (or 2), WR.

I got the $3mm/yr from Rick who said he expected him to sign for a 2yr $6mm contract.

You could very well be right.

of those positions. We need 2 TEs. We have 1 TE that is decent. Nothing else after. We need depth on the Oline,WR & at CB.

CBs
Webster
Prince
Thomas (I think we resign him)
Bruce Johnson
Justin Tryon
Brian Witherspoon
Michael Coe

WR
Nicks
Cruz
Hixon
Jernigan
Barden
Thomas

OL
Beatty
Brewer
Diehl
Snee
Baas
Boothe
Andrews
Ugoh
Petrus

Beatty - Boothe - Baas - Snee - Diehl

Dallas Clarke went down with a injury two years ago this guy played like a all pro TE. He will be a awesome receiving TE.

who's the 1 TE that is decent? If you're referring to Pascoe he is not an NFL caliber TE.

Who is our starting #2 CB? Ross and Thomas are both FA's and neither are a lock to return.

Also, I doubt the Giants bring back Blackburn (still love the Chase, just doubt it) and Goff is coming off ACL surgery. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants use an early draft choice on MLB.

This team definitely has needs.

The colts and giants run VERY different offenses. The colts TE lines up off the line pretty much as often as he lines up on it. The #1 trait of a prototypical Giants TE is someone who can block. Receiving, while important, is still secondary.

Only 5 TEs had more receptions than Tamme. They are Witten,Cooley,Gonzalez,Pettigrew & Watson. Not saying he is better or even close to any of those guys, but he was very productive. He will get close to 3 million a year. Like I said Ben Watson got 4 million a year with basically identical stats.

but he would be the receiving TE; he's not a great blocker by NFL standards.

Plus, he wouldn't cost much, and he's already fond of the idea of catching passes from a Manning

1 decent TE which I why we need to sign 2 TEs. I don't think Ross will be back either. If I had to bet then I would bet T2 will be back. Even if they aren't back our 1st round pick from last season should very well be our #2 CB. At 32 we aren't going to get a CB that is better than Prince and good CBs go for a shit ton of money in free agency. We need a TE more than any position on the team.

I agree we need a MLB early. I think we should try move up for Kuechly.

I never said the team didn't have needs. Once again every team has needs. Besides maybe MLB none of our needs are as important as getting a TE where we have absolutely nothing.

That says something.

Seriously, he's a bright, high-character guy and a logical replacement for Beckum if the price is right.

for many years. i just think if you sign tamme for 3 mil, you make a very difficult decision at 32 if fleener is available.

I totally agree with you that TE is clearly our #1 need. I just don't think Tamme is a good fit unless the price is really cheap b/c I think we have plenty of other needs as well and not much room under the cap.

Every year there's a large group here that salivates over one specific prospect who always gets taken before we can select- it was that LB McClain a couple years back.

He's a non-blocking one-year wonder who wasn't even that great in his one notable season.

though we have needs, but nothing really besides depth players that will be cheap. The needs that we have can also be drafted. The Giants always figure out a way to go out and get who they want and have no problems with the cap. We have been trying to use Beckum for a while now and he hasn't really worked out. Tamme's skillset is very similar he is a better player though. Tamme is worth around 3 miller per year. It isn't really alot of money for a guy with his production.


I don't think any of the TE's outside Fleener,Charles & Allen are better than Tamme. If Fleener is as great as everybody says he is than he probably won't be there at 32. After watching Gronkowski the past 2 years and team before us is probably going to fall in love with a similar player to Gronkowski. I don't think Charles or Allen are worth our 1st rounder and they probably won't be there at 64. We are most likely going to have to sign 2 TEs.

He was a backup to an All-Pro player. The one season he got a chance with a decent QB he was a pretty damn good player. His one good season was a better season than any TE we have/had on the roster this past year.

with Tamme the pass catching, move H back?

was..good grief

Still a young player and has shown a few flashes but if the Giants are ready to cut bait on him would anyone really be surprised? I don't think so. Tamme upgrades the move TE position on this roster if we do go in that direction.

so its the reciever TE they need i would rather sign a FA at TE or use pascoe/hopkins until ballard is ready than draft a 1st round TE.

Use the draft (especially first 3 picks on CB,OL and DL (pref NT/larger DT) or WR/RB depending what happens with manningham and jacobs if the right player falls to them early(still need a RB in this draft either way to replace ware imo)

why is everyone here being dense!? YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE TE THAT BLOCKS AND ONE THAT RECEIVES!!That's not how NFL offenses work (especially the Giants who utilize a lot of 3WR sets! You need to have a guy that could do both and who is a GOOD blocker and a capable receiver. Yes, you can utilize a separate h-back but that's not part of our base package on offense. You still need that one guy who could do both similar to our past three starting TE's, Ballard, Boss, and Shockey.

was ready to breakout when he did his ACL was showing better understanding of the offence and had the speed to boot was on the verge of showing what reese saw in him

still a disappointment granted thou,a 3rd round pick should be at that stage sooner than he was and produced more than he did,still may be back need to wait and see

At this point, Hopkins would be in the same position that Ballard was in last year. We didn't know much about him but the Giants obviously did. Ballard had a great year for somebody we knw nothing about. I am not saying that Hopkins will be as good or better than Ballard, but he is a pretty big dude and we have heard several comments by Reese that he really likes Hopkins and he is working very hard.

You have to trust our front office with personnel to some extent.

was primarily a blocking TE. Just sayin.

one thats a primarly reciever and one thats a primarly blocker.

yes they do both need to do both but they have always had 1 guy that was better at blocking and 1 that was more of a catcher thats what people here mean,or at least how i understand they mean ala last season with ballard and pascoe

was used primarily as a blocker in college as well. He did pretty well as a receiver.

Ballard is a better blocker AND receiver than Pascoe.

I agree - Ballard won the TE job because he learned how to catch passes a lot better than Beckum learned how to block ...
Tamme would not be replacing Ballard ... his package would be more in the Beckum area ...
Tamme would be a fine contributor ... but not the starting TE ...

I agree Tamme could do a great job of replacing Beckum and his 5 receptions on the season. My point is that I don't think they should be paying a FA any type of substantial money at all to do so.

Too me it simple

The giants clearly tried to get something out of beckum as Eric pointed out in the playoffs.

so what happened is what has always happened to beckum he got hurt.
That's the story of his entire career.

Anyone can get injuried but this guy has made a living at reporting to the trainers room for rehab.

I'd cut ties with Beckum I'm sick of this guy collecting a paycheck for no production.

the NY Giants select....COBY FLEENER!!!!

I doubt it and I hope not.

Did anyone confirm the original report? Did Francesa indeed say that and is it confirmed online?

He fits the mold of a Giants TE in this offense. A guy like Fassano as backup on the cheap as a #2 TE to go along with him would really give the Giants a TRUE 2-TE set that they could work play action off of as well as help to amplify the running game off the edges--a BIG problem this year due to the subpar blocking on the part of the TEs and FB due to injuries and lack of ability.

**Looking forward to Hynoski being healhty at FB next year. He showed that he can get the job done at FB. While not dominating, he's smart and gets the job done, to go along with being a nice receiver w/soft hands out of the backfield.

**Looks like we'll see Pascoe in Training camp at least if depth at TE situation is not improved, to go along with a backup plan at FB should Hyno get hurt at all.

addition, Great athelete very smart.

Meanwhile the Colts have cut Dallas Clark... Are they now negotiating with Tamme to keep him while the Giants are stuck in cap no man's land until they slice some more pieces off the team?

Tamme was a 2 time All-SEC TE according to Wikipedia, and a fine scholar-athlete to boot.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants come to an injury settlement with Beckum, he's had a very frustrating career so far to anyone's eyes.

one of the folks who don't think Beckum will play for the Giants again.