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New Ralph Vacchiano NYDN article on Terrell Thomas

Defenderdawg : 3/10/2012 3:47 pm
From the article:

"Thomas is still dreaming of something bigger, though, which may be why negotiations with the Giants have stalled. He points out that in 2010 the Jacksonville Jaguars gave defensive end Aaron Kampman a four-year, $26 million contract with $11 million guaranteed, while he was still rehabbing a torn ACL."


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-cornerback-terrell-thomas-hopes-shot-tearing-acl-a-time-article-1.1036825
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It seems to me they don't feel that way  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/10/2012 4:34 pm : link
given how quickly they went to the table with Thomas. When you start talks early, it's a clear sign you want that player under contract.
I am sure  
AnishPatel : 3/10/2012 4:36 pm : link
we wanted to get him back. But TT may want more money than we are willing to give. That's fine, like I said we have the others, and who knows may we sign or draft a Cb later on. Let's see if another undrafted FA CB makes the team or gets invited to camp. I am not worried.
Given the fact that the extra DB plays more than the third LB  
Defenderdawg : 3/10/2012 4:37 pm : link
for most teams and that you need 5-6-7 DB's...I have become very partial to stockpiling DB's and pass rushers...always easier said then done.
I have a feeling both TT and Ross are gone  
steve56 : 3/10/2012 4:38 pm : link
Hope we bring back Tryon because I loved his toughness and heart for the team. Even though he was on the team for only a week or two he gave it his all out there with a broken arm and refused to sit out the game.

We will almost certainly draft a corner too and I think well be fine
Didn't we recently re-sign Tryon?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/10/2012 4:42 pm : link
I'm blanking at the moment
UFA's  
Dragon : 3/10/2012 4:43 pm : link
They go where the money is just like we signed Baas for more money Thomas, Ross and Mario will move on don't blame them one bit. Just look at what we have done to our own players in the past several days.
not to legitimize other players and positions  
TommytheElephant : 3/10/2012 4:43 pm : link
But eli,jpp,tuck,nicks,cruz is pretty much the only guys im crying over if we lost.
They go where  
AnishPatel : 3/10/2012 4:47 pm : link
they can make the team. Some go to winners, while others go to their child hood favorite teams. Some stay or want to stay closer to home. So I am sure if our college scouts or whoever in house make a good pitch guys will want to come. We can always point to guys like Bruce Johnson and other undrafted FAs that made our roster as a example of us allowing the best player to make the team.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 3/10/2012 4:50 pm : link
I suspect we're making him a fair offer (like we did with Kiwi), yet TT is valuing himself too highly.
I'd be disappointed  
Kyle in NY : 3/10/2012 4:52 pm : link
if we weren't able to work something out with T2. But I understand it's a difficult situation to manage given the uncertainty that comes with his njury history. One of my favorite players on the team though when he's out there.
Glauber Newsday on free agency this afternoon  
Defenderdawg : 3/10/2012 4:55 pm : link
As Reese says "next guy up"

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/be-careful-about-free-agency-1.3592205
So Ralphy is wrong agains  
ZogZerg : 3/10/2012 4:58 pm : link
what a shocker
I think Ross is still  
MaineMike : 3/10/2012 5:07 pm : link
the safer choice here out of the 2. I do not think TT is anywhere close to 100% yet.
fuck it  
SHO'NUFF : 3/10/2012 5:28 pm : link
in the end, we're still...

WORLD CHAMPIONS!
TAMPERING  
Houston Gfan : 3/10/2012 5:39 pm : link
Calling it now. T2 blabs about wanting to stay, agent tells him STFU. Agent gets "confirmation" that another offer will be better after FA starts. T2 says adios.
In the past, the Giants are seldom off the wall with high ball or  
Marty in Albany : 3/10/2012 6:28 pm : link
low ball offers. Thomas will get a reasonable offer from Reese and if Thomas gets something better from another team, the Giants have done the best they can and will make adjustments. You can't have the attitude of "we need to keep Thomas at all costs."
With Al Davis up in the sky  
mamamia : 3/10/2012 7:10 pm : link
the money thrown around shouldn't be as crazy. I see the Giants drafting 2 DB's along with 2 OL and A RB or two
I think it is important to resign...  
Reb8thVA : 3/10/2012 7:16 pm : link
TT or Ross because CB is not a position where the next man up theory works well for an extended period of time. Prince will probably still be very raw. Without either TT or Ross it could be a retooling year but given we just won the Superbowl that might just be ok instead of making some bad contracts that might hurt more in the longer run.
goodbye if he wants to play hardball  
clint : 3/10/2012 7:42 pm : link
umm, paging mr. finnegan :-). if he's going to play hardball, then goodbye in my mind. We won the frickin' SB w/o him - how valuable is he? if this is his attitude, then I'm kind of glad we didn't spend the franchise tag on him. we can win w/o him
he'll be back  
Luuuuucas XD : 3/10/2012 8:40 pm : link
there's no way a team gives him a big contract, he'll be back
After last years offseason  
Antdog23 : 3/10/2012 8:41 pm : link
I'm done questioning this front office for now. I'll defer to them and whatever happens happens... they obviously know what they are doing.
I dispute the notion  
Dave in MD : 3/10/2012 9:00 pm : link
that Prince will be raw. I'd gather he'll be as good as Ross was last year. The problem is what's behind. But that assumes we don't add any more corners this offseason. I doubt that's the case.
Aaron Kampman contract for reference.......  
rasbutant : 3/10/2012 9:08 pm : link
Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit
2010 1,000,000 2,500,000 525,000 4,025,000
2011 2,450,000 2,500,000 525,000 5,475,000
2012 4,975,000 2,500,000 525,000 8,000,000
2013 6,475,000 2,500,000 525,000 9,500,000
2014 UFA
$11 million guaranteed
Signing Bonus: $10 million
$2 million in incentives
Workout Bonus: $25,000

Link - ( New Window )
The  
AcidTest : 3/10/2012 9:13 pm : link
Giants probably offered him a contract similar to that of Hixon and Johnson. A base salary (somewhat higher perhaps) with little or no signing bonus. TT must know his market value isn't great, but nonetheless wants to shop around to see if he can do any better. I have no problem with him doing so.

But as others have noted, we won a SuperBowl without him, and there are legitimate concerns about whether he will even play this year, or how well. I'd be surprised if the Giants didn't take a CB high if both TT and Ross leave, but I think we'll survive.

CWeb has a few more years, and Prince will now have been in the system for more than a year and will be well recovered from his broken foot. The Giants probably also seem to like Johnson, Coe, and Witherspoon. All of these players and a second or third round pick will hopefully be enough, especially with our pass rush.
They probably offered a contract similar to Kiwi  
rasbutant : 3/10/2012 9:24 pm : link
Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit
2011 1,750,000 1,000,000 300,000 3,050,000
2012 4,000,000 1,000,000 550,000 5,550,000
2013 UFA
$4.55 million guaranteed
Signing Bonus: $2 million
2011 Roster Bonus: $300,000
2012 Roster Bonus: $300,000
2012 Workout Bonus: $250,000
If true  
mrvax : 3/10/2012 9:28 pm : link
I'd tell the bastid to get lost.
I would think something in between those two contracts would be good  
rasbutant : 3/10/2012 9:35 pm : link
give him the 4 yrs, but make 4 mil of the signing bonus a roster bonus in 2013.

Give him 6-8 mil guaranteed, keep his cap number low for 2012, if he returns to form, then 8-9mil is right where his salary should be, may even be a deal for the Giants if he gets back to Probowl form. And the giants get 2013 for basically half price (5mil).
He really hasn't made Jack yet.....Signed a 4 year $1.689 million cont  
rasbutant : 3/10/2012 9:41 pm : link
He's earned a big payday.

But if I was him, I would want to sign the 2yr deal and hit free agency when the big tv dollars come into play. If he has confidence in his ability and his rehab, this is the best move. If he's not then getting the most now, is his best move.
Would love him back  
Rflairr : 3/10/2012 9:42 pm : link
But this why they spent a first rounder on Prince. He'll have to start. And we might have to get a lower level FA for the third CB
i can see his college coach pete carroll and the seahawks  
DCPollaro : 3/10/2012 9:48 pm : link
offering more

oh well, would have liked t2 to stay
Dave....  
Reb8thVA : 3/10/2012 10:21 pm : link
Prince had a shortened training camp and missed most of the season. He is still learning the peed of the game at the pro level. Any CB drafted is also likelyy to be raw and put to the test. Its a learning curve we may have to endure next year.
But Prince got an extra 4 games  
mamamia : 3/10/2012 10:24 pm : link
of playoff experience
Ross  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2012 10:33 pm : link
I know he has been a little suspect at times , but he is healthier and a decent tackler. We could do much much worse. CWeb, Ross and Prince is solid. If theycre-sign Tryon and draft a corner I'd feel pretty good about our CB situation.

T2 is very good but maybe the Giants know more than everyone about his injury?!?
Prince as the #2 CB next year and a starter  
tito wooten : 3/10/2012 10:34 pm : link
is a freightning thought. Dude is not ready for that sort of responsibility yet.
why  
Dave in MD : 3/10/2012 10:39 pm : link
you think he's just going to stay static as a player? He was already playing alot better when he got on the field in the playoffs and he'll continue to improve. There is a reason we were so excited to draft him. Even if TT comes back, I'd wager Prince beats him out.
Je's not going to stay the same forever obviously.  
tito wooten : 3/10/2012 10:41 pm : link
But he didn't play until the second half of the season and got benched. Didn't play all that much in the postseason either. He was targeted by opposing teams' offenses when he was on the field. He might improve next year. But I don't think it will be to the level of an NFL starter for 16 games.
*He's  
tito wooten : 3/10/2012 10:41 pm : link
.
Ross  
Dave in MD : 3/10/2012 10:46 pm : link
got hurt in the Falcons game and they couldn't exploit him. Then he got on the field against Green Bay and they couldn't exploit him. He got benched earlier in the year. Much like Webster did in 07. With a full offseason and training camp, I believe you'll see why the Giants like him so much.
He didn't play his first game until the 2nd Philly game  
tito wooten : 3/10/2012 10:52 pm : link
which was Week 10, I believe. He played a few games and eventually got benched. They eventually played him again in the postseason. Part of it being they were thin on WRs and teams like Atlanta and GB have alot of weapons and were trying to spread our defense out. He wasn't as bad in the postseason, but he wasn't particularly good either. Of course, my expectations were low to begin with due to his injury and him missing training camp.

I think it would be impossible for him to be better next year, because he wasn't very good last season. So, I suppose I do expect him to be better next year. I just don't know if it will be at the performance level of a #2 CB. If he is our #2 CB next season, he is going to get alot of the "big boy" WRs to cover. It's not impossible for him to improve to that level in one season, but I don't know that I would count on it, either.
I think  
Dave in MD : 3/10/2012 10:57 pm : link
in a normal offseason last year he would have been a lot better and possibly beat out Ross. This year he gets that offseason, plus he gets to build off his experience last year.

And in that postseason, Atlanta and Green Bay knew where he was he played well. No reason to panic at all.
Not paniced in the least.  
tito wooten : 3/10/2012 11:21 pm : link
Just would be shocked if Prince makes the jump to being a starting CB next season. That would be quite the jump based on how he played last season. It could happen, and I would still be surprised.
I trust Jerry Reese.  
St. Jimmy : 3/10/2012 11:46 pm : link
If Thomas walks so be it. The Giants will be fine.
If Prince isn't ready by next season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2012 12:01 am : link
it was a bad draft pick and he's a disappointment compared to what the expectations are. He was legitimately the second best and arguably the best CB in college before he came out
thomas isnt getting that kind of money...  
islander1 : 3/11/2012 1:25 am : link
from a good general manager.

He can go chase the money like Steve Smith did.
This reminds me of Bradshaw  
steve in ky : 3/11/2012 3:02 am : link
Same sounding speak at this point in the negotiations, and then just that quick he ended up signing the deal. If the Giants want him back I would be surprised if it doesn't work itself out.
the Difference between TT and Bradshaw is that the corner market  
the_fridge : 3/11/2012 9:22 am : link
is tougher. It's more likely that a GM pay more than Reese is comfortable with for a CB than a RB just because those positions are harder to fill well than RB.
The Giants won a Super Bowl without Terrell Thomas  
Gman11 : 3/11/2012 10:14 am : link
They can do it again.

I would rather that he return to the Giants, but I understand that it's all about the money. If some other team wants to roll the dice, then go for it.
I  
AcidTest : 3/11/2012 10:18 am : link
think Prince will be ready to start next season. As Dave in MD said, he played really well against the Falcons and Packers, who have a very good and a phenomenal passing offense.

Remember that he had no OTAs, and then missed all of training camp and most of the regular season with a broken foot. Given all that, I thought his performance was remarkable.
That 4/26 deal AK signed  
JonC : 3/11/2012 11:49 am : link
is the type of ballpark figure I thought T2 would be aiming for, $5M+ per on average, and that doesn't bode well for a return to NYG.
If he walks, he walks.  
Klaatu : 3/11/2012 12:11 pm : link
There are 59 other CBs on the open market this year. I'm sure we can find one or two capable enough at our price. Add another rookie drafted relatively high (first three rounds) who will have the benefit of a full offseason and we should be in good shape.
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