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Kevin Boss to be waived tomorrow

mort christenson : 3/12/2012 5:38 pm
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I would gladly welcome him back  
Giantology : 3/12/2012 5:39 pm : link
(at the vet min)
come on  
Blue Baller : 3/12/2012 5:39 pm : link
home
Yikes  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2012 5:40 pm : link
Poor Kevin. Hope he saved his guranteed money on that Raiders contract, cause that's all he's getting.
I'd bring  
AnishPatel : 3/12/2012 5:40 pm : link
him back, however, we still need a backup because Boss, as well as Ware, are concussion prone.
Oh my..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/12/2012 5:40 pm : link
He's still one cincussion away from retirement perhaps, but very curious to see what JR and TC do here
His bell has been rung too many times  
Ben in Tampa : 3/12/2012 5:40 pm : link
I hope he banked that guaranteed money and retires
Also concussion  
Big Blue '56 : 3/12/2012 5:40 pm : link
.
If you can get him cheap  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/12/2012 5:41 pm : link
And I think you can, I say get him.
Boss is a great guy  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/12/2012 5:41 pm : link
and very solid but the concussion issue is a red flag no matter where he winds up.
I'd absolutely  
Jon in NYC : 3/12/2012 5:41 pm : link
bring him back.
How much guaranteed money did he get?  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/12/2012 5:42 pm : link
In retrospect I'm actually happy for him that he got his pay day instead of giving the giants the hometown discount.
Boss won't come back  
speedywheels : 3/12/2012 5:43 pm : link
He's pissed at Eli for throwing all those bad passes which caused him to reach, and get hit in the process.

(Grin)
Love to have him back but  
Larry in Pencilvania : 3/12/2012 5:43 pm : link
the concussions do worry me
the concussions worried NYG  
JonC : 3/12/2012 5:43 pm : link
.
Bring him in  
AnyoneButPhilly : 3/12/2012 5:43 pm : link
We can always slap one of those big kazoo helmets on him like Eli wears
Bring him back and cross your fingers.  
Geeman : 3/12/2012 5:44 pm : link
will lessen the need to draft a TE early unless Fleener falls to us.
If we  
AnishPatel : 3/12/2012 5:44 pm : link
had depth or Ballard healthy then I'd say pass.. However, we have no one healthy at that position. Ballard and beckum are done. Pascoe is decent, but we can certainly upgrade that position. If the price is right, I'd bring Boss back and see if he can play a season. The risk is money and perhaps one concussion away from probably retiring. I'd still address the position in the draft or FA.
he got  
jintz4life : 3/12/2012 5:44 pm : link
8m guaranteed
two TE set boss and ballard  
alligatorpie : 3/12/2012 5:45 pm : link
could be fun to say the least
Reese looks smarter & smarter everyday that passes  
bumpsinthenight : 3/12/2012 5:45 pm : link
Steve Smith and Kevin Boss both won't be with teams they left Giants for.
Come on home, Kevin  
redbeard : 3/12/2012 5:46 pm : link
However, the boss man does have concussion issues so we would still need to go out and get another Tight End but if we can get him for a cost-effective contract (and I bet we can) then there is no reason not to bring back Boss
alligator  
speedywheels : 3/12/2012 5:46 pm : link
chances are VERY good Ballard doesn't play in 2012
If I understand the cap  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 5:46 pm : link
correctly (and it's totally possible, some might even say likely, I don't), the Raiders LOSE cap space by cutting Boss.

He must be in bad shape.

It's not like the Raiders are one player away and desperately need a roster spot.
I doubt  
spike : 3/12/2012 5:47 pm : link
the Giants go back to the same players that left them..

I dont remember the last time that happened.
I don't know that KB will have many suitors  
FranknWeezer : 3/12/2012 5:47 pm : link
We'll probably get one hell of a discount. Do it, JR.
pj  
speedywheels : 3/12/2012 5:47 pm : link
there is a cap hit - couple million I think.
He will not attract much interest  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 5:48 pm : link
a few teams might be in on him at very modest money, and if the Giants enter the fray they would obviously have a big edge given his familiarity with us. Basically, if we want him, hes ours. Some of us were calling this as soon as he signed there
Question..  
Aaron Thomas : 3/12/2012 5:51 pm : link
Could the Giants end up with Boss back and a comp pick for him leaving?
Jerry Reese  
MAustin96 : 3/12/2012 5:51 pm : link
looks more like a genius everyday. lol. Everyone is devastated by the loss of Smith and Boss last year and we may be able to get both back this year for MUCH less than they originally wanted. In Reese We Trust!!!!
No.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2012 5:51 pm : link
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startin to luv us some of our TE coaching  
alligatorpie : 3/12/2012 5:52 pm : link
....they do get play from the players.
Aaron  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 5:52 pm : link
yes. What would happen this offseason would not effect last years compensatory formulations
Laverneus Coles signed with the Skins and then came back to the Jets  
Optimus-NY : 3/12/2012 5:52 pm : link
Quote:
I doubt
spike : 5:47 pm
the Giants go back to the same players that left them..

I dont remember the last time that happened.
Speedy  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 5:52 pm : link
not just a cap hit. I think the cap hit to cut him is greater than the cap hit to keep him.

2011 4 year 16M contract. 3M signing bonus, 8M guaranteed (so 750k signing bonus per year for 4 years).

2011 3M +750k = 3.75M of the 8 guaranteed, so no matter what he's owed 4.25 on the cap.

2012 2M +750k = to keep him 2.75M in 2012.
2013 3.5M +750K
2014 4.5M +750k

to cut him, it costs 4.25M = 8M guaranteed, so I believe the Raiders owe on the cap 4.25M for Kevin Boss this year, but to keep him would have only been 2.75M
Pooyyyfect!  
Adam XLII : 3/12/2012 5:53 pm : link
!
I'd like to see him retire  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 3/12/2012 5:53 pm : link
don't need him to endure a life of slurred speech so we can have an outlet guy that can be found elsewhere.
Re: comp picks  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 5:53 pm : link
Its about net gains vs net losses. Im not sure what we figure to wind up with, but in any case nothing Kevin Boss does (ie coming back here) would effect our compensatory pick status for the 2012 draft. Transactions from this offseason will effect the 2013 compensatory process
I feel confident he'll come back.  
Geeman : 3/12/2012 5:54 pm : link
He wanted to stay but got an offer he couldn't refuse and I don't blame him one bit for taking it. This is setting up as a win/win. We lose him for a year and we win a SB without him only to be in position to get him back after he collected a nice bonus from the Raiders. It can't get much better then that, cause he didn't burn any bridges here and is well liked and will fit right back into the offense seamlessly. Reese couldn't played this any better.
That would be the perfect Resse move  
lono801 : 3/12/2012 5:54 pm : link
Get Boss back cheap and the comp pick...

Classic
Thanks marshall  
Aaron Thomas : 3/12/2012 5:55 pm : link
That is what I thought and how great would that be. Boss, a pick and a year where Ballard was able to develop into a nice TE!
Did he have a concussion this past season?  
JohnB : 3/12/2012 5:56 pm : link
Sorry I didn't follow the Raiders that closely.
I laugh when guys think we will draft  
SBlue46 : 3/12/2012 5:56 pm : link
a TE in 1st rnd...Eli is a TE killer..
we need blue collar guys that block and have good hands.
there are quite a few....Ballard is proof, and Bear made
some clutch catches in playoffs. Purvis and Hopkins
look pretty good....takr a late round dropper or UFA
Put the big money on D
I laugh when people say shit like "Eli is a TE killer"  
Giantology : 3/12/2012 5:57 pm : link
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JohnB  
lono801 : 3/12/2012 5:58 pm : link
IIRC...he had one...missed a game.
pjcas18  
BigBluDawg : 3/12/2012 5:58 pm : link
Seems like they saved 2 million:

Quote:
:ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the Raiders plan to release Kevin Boss, the tight end who just eight months ago signed a four-year, $16 million deal contract with $6 million guaranteed. Boss was due $4 million this year, and the Raiders still owe him a guaranteed $2 million this year, on top of whatever he can make on whatever team signs him.
BigBlueDawg  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 6:01 pm : link
Must be, otherwise cutting him doesn't make sense.

here is rotoworld:
Quote:
8/5/2011: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal contains $8 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. 2012: $2 million, 2013: $3.5 million, 2014: $4.5 million, 2015: Free Agent


If that is $8M and not $6M this is a mistake.

Although ESPN also says 8M guaranteed.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6836272/oakland-raiders-kevin-boss-agree-four-year-contract
Boss Contract - ( New Window )
Ive never been the biggest Boss fan  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 6:01 pm : link
and was very nonchalant about losing him last offseason, but id love to have him back given how dire our situation at TE currently is and the low cost that will likely be associated with him. It would be a seamless transition. What a good day. Great weather, feels like spring time, log on to bbi and see Dallas and Washington getting fucked, Boss becoming available. Nice start to this offseason
you guys are leaving out a huge detail  
robbieballs2003 : 3/12/2012 6:09 pm : link
We can get Boss back, a comp pick AND A MOTHERFUCKIN' SUPER BOWL in the process.
To be honest, unless the Giants are going  
BigBlueBuff : 3/12/2012 6:09 pm : link
to spend a premium draft pick on a tight end who can win one one one matchups and thus take the burden off of the third receiver, then I don't see them sinking many resources into the position. If that turns out to be the case, then a discounted KB might actually be an option.
I love Boss...  
Dunedin81 : 3/12/2012 6:12 pm : link
but he has had four concussions. Not quite Westbrook territory, but how many more hits does the guy have in him?
Its not like last year  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 6:13 pm : link
Boss was attracting heavy interest, it was one team who under al davis generally was an outlier in the league. We had a very modest offer on the table and it would have been enough to retain him if not for crazy al davis. Now fast forward one year later, another concussion, a stint that just didn't work out, i can't imagine his value increased. We will be able to get him cheaper than the offer we put on the table last year
Who is our TE right now?  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 6:19 pm : link
Beckum? Ballard? Pascoe (ERFA)? All IR/PUP or FA.

I know everyone likes to think they're smarter than everybody else and say it as fact, Giants aren't signing X or Y, but if he's healthy (big if) he'd fit in very well.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Giants strongly considered him if he could pass a physical.

The Giants tried (even if it was half-heartedly) to address TE last year I suspect they will again this year. Boss might be an easy solution, who cares if he played here before, if anything it makes it an easier decision.
People here undervalue Boss  
AlbanyGiantFan : 3/12/2012 6:20 pm : link
While not the greatest receiver, and has concussion problems, a big reason our run game sucked this year was due to losing him. He is a very good blocker, which is the most important trait for a TE in this offense. I would be surprised if we didn't at least make an offer, i would guess something like 3 years, 5 mill, 2 mill gtd. A little less than what was offered last year.
Boss was truly bad last year  
oipolloi : 3/12/2012 6:20 pm : link
he is not the same player that we remember pre-concussion

Did he have a concussion last year?  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 6:22 pm : link
I know he hurt his ankle to keep him out a few games.

either way, I watched him week 17 when then the raiders needed to win to get in and he looked exactly like he did on the Giants.

don't remember his line, but he caught a few balls and had a TD
pj  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 6:32 pm : link
he suffered at least one, i saw it happen live. I don't recall the week or opponent though, but i remember the play
Last years play from Boss  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 6:33 pm : link
had more to do with a bunch of factors, i wouldn't rank his concussion history in the top 3 though even though its worrisome long term

1. Adjustment to a new team, offense
2. Major downgrade in QB play
3. He's really not that good anyway, what were you expecting? I would love him back though
Boss suffered another concussion  
BigBluDawg : 3/12/2012 6:42 pm : link
last season against the Chiefs.
The Jints will not bring back Boss or Smith, damaged goods and  
jintsfan : 3/12/2012 6:43 pm : link
adding them to the roster does not make the team better. The Jints can find better value in FA and through the draft. Move on!
Well I remember he hurt his ankle  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 6:46 pm : link
too in pre-season and missed at least a couple games.

the injury concern is real, but if your choices are:

1. Are injury riddled Boss at a reasonable cost
2. Unproven rookie mid-round draft pick (assuming not Fleener in the first)
3. Bear Pascoe - would require a tender offer I believe - may even cost more than Boss? (seems like a good dude so don't want to say anything bad about him, but certainly upgradable and leaves ZERO depth)
4. other FA who will require $$

I think you strongly consider Boss.
Its not a good TE draft class  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 6:51 pm : link
We don't have the money to spend much on a TE

Boss for cheap is very appealing. It would be a seamless transition.
the run and shoot doesn't use a tight end, ok i know gilbride doesn't  
slefrak : 3/12/2012 6:52 pm : link
run that, although judging by the playoffs without a te, it sure liked it
Guys... Boss wants to be on the west coast...  
M.S. : 3/12/2012 6:54 pm : link
...near his family.

That's the only reason he left the Giants in the first place.
He wants a job  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2012 6:55 pm : link
though probably, right?
MS  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/12/2012 6:57 pm : link
Thats not the only reason he left the Giants. Thats a nice post script afterward is all. The Raiders literally doubled our offer. He would have been here otherwise. Hes not anti East coast. And Oakland is still like 1,000 miles from his home anyway, its not like hed drive there from the Raider facility
MS...  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2012 6:58 pm : link
He left the Giants for one reason and one reason only.

Money.
I'd probably rather take a shot on a guy like Kellen Davis..  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2012 7:00 pm : link
...than bring Boss back.

Boss was rock solid when he was here.. I just think the concussions make it too much of a risky proposition. One good shot and that's it. He's not a guy you can rely on 16 games from at this point. Sure, if he comes real cheap.. go for it. Just probably wouldn't be my preferred move.
I've never begrudged Boss  
mfsd : 3/12/2012 7:01 pm : link
for taking the money - no doubt his last, best chance to max his earnings as a football player

I'd love to have him back, but the concussion history is scary

...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 3/12/2012 7:02 pm : link
I'd bring him back.

But this dude is one hit away from retirement so I don't we can sign him & just declare that our TE problem has been solved.
Why not look at the data for 2011?  
bt : 3/12/2012 7:05 pm : link

Boss, Kevin - 28 Rec; 365 yds; Average 13.1; 3 TDs;


I hope Reese doesn't make decisions based on nostalgia  
Matt M. : 3/12/2012 7:07 pm : link
the way guys here are doing. Last year it made sense to offer Boss a decent contract, which they did. However, he suffered another concussion and had a leg injury. He is simply not the same player any longer.

As for Smith, he very well may have ruined his career out of greed and narcissism. The Eagles didn't offer him a lot more money; it was just all guaranteed. But, the real difference maker seemed to be that they just went along with his desire to play opening day. He was not ready and his knee got progressively worse as the season went on. His game was dominated by his ability to run precise routes. He lost that skill. He is a shell of his former self right now and it is questionable if he can even come close to that player again.
Greed and narcissism?  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2012 7:12 pm : link
Give me a break. The guy did the same thing that basically every pro athlete does which is take the best offer. These guys don't play football out of loyalty. They do it because this is their career and how they make a living.

Smith did what any other guy in his shoes would have done. Let's not act like he owed it to the Giants organization to play for cheap. He didn't. And the idea that he's some sort of narcissist is fucking absurd.
"Greed and narcissim"  
Dunedin81 : 3/12/2012 7:12 pm : link
Or he didn't know if he'd ever be at full strength and took the most guarantee money he could. Doesn't make him greedy, he could be a year or two away from the end of his career.
Played in 14 games  
bt : 3/12/2012 7:13 pm : link
Started - 11 games
Eli is a TE killer  
giantranger : 3/12/2012 7:15 pm : link
He always looks to the TE just before he is about to get flattened no matter how tight the coverage. He saves a sack but gets his TE lit up. Tell Giantology to watch a game or two. He does it a lot. Sometimes he just has to get rid of it and has no other options.
Dunedin  
Matt M. : 3/12/2012 7:18 pm : link
I say that not because of the money, but the insistence that he play opening day. It just wasn't a wise decision and seemed to come from ego and out of spite to the Giants, who were inclined to PUP him. Turns out they weren't trying to screw him out of money, but help his long-term career.
He gambled and lost...  
Dunedin81 : 3/12/2012 7:22 pm : link
who is to say he would have ever recovered, that surgery is far from a certainty. I don't wish him any ill will, he didn't sound bitter, and the reaction of a lot of Giants fans to a business decision by a fan-friendly player was really depressing to witness.
Dunedin  
Matt M. : 3/12/2012 7:24 pm : link
I don't wish him any ill-will also. But, I also wouldn't sign him at this point, especially not for the critical role of #3 WR, as some here suggest based on nothing but sentimentality. That would be a terrible football decision.
I agree with that, but if they want to give him...  
Dunedin81 : 3/12/2012 7:37 pm : link
an incentive-laden contract and a chance to compete I'd be happy to see that.
dunedin  
Matt M. : 3/12/2012 7:39 pm : link
That is not what people here are clamoring for. And quite frankly, I'm not even sure I can get behind that after watching him last year.
Unless it's for vet min  
Sammo284 : 3/12/2012 7:48 pm : link
I would pass. Boss didn't show much as a Raider last year and now has a plethora of concussions.

Boss should be a tertiary/insurance option, not a primary target in FA.
Yeah,  
Jerry in DC : 3/12/2012 7:58 pm : link
I'd be interested in Boss. He'll be cheap, he knows the system, he's an adequate player at a position where we don't really have any players at all. Makes a ton of sense to me.

From the outside, we're not in much of a position to assess the health risk, but from a football perspective it makes a ton of sense.
It's kind of a no-brainer if he checks out medically...  
Rich in L.A. : 3/12/2012 8:07 pm : link
I don't think he's going to cost much given the circumstances.
Let the doctors decide the health issues.  
Reese's Pieces : 3/12/2012 9:10 pm : link
If he passes, well sure we could do better in free agency or the draft, but we happen to be broke this year. Save every buck for a more important position.
Eh . . . it would be nice to see him  
eclipz928 : 3/12/2012 9:52 pm : link
back in a Giants uniform, but in all honesty I'm ready to move on. I think Jake Ballard pretty much showed this past season that Boss wasn't all that special and that his production can be easily duplicated. At this point I'm ready for the Giants to make a move and get a legitimate game-changing threat at the TE position - it's been too long since the Giants had one.
Get him to lure Patrick back  
Reale01 : 3/12/2012 10:14 pm : link
Patrick said he retired because he couldn't play with Boss IIRC. If we get back will Patrick come also?
I wanted the Giants to sign  
Rflairr : 3/12/2012 10:24 pm : link
Dressan. But it wouldn't surprise me if they brought Boss back now
the concussion factor  
micky : 3/12/2012 10:26 pm : link
would be a big red flag to me.
Kevin Boss should put his health first  
Ira : 3/12/2012 10:29 pm : link
and think about his next career.
Ben Patrick  
BigBluDawg : 3/12/2012 10:34 pm : link
said he wants to play for the panthers.
Boss is an example of how Eli makes his receivers better  
PatersonPlank : 3/13/2012 1:46 am : link
Boss looked really good here but overall is an average TE. I think this, plus having a lousy QB, had more to do with his performance than anything else. That being said I would bring him back if its cheap. We have a need, he knows the system, and he's likely as good as anything else out there.
I agree with armsteadeats that I believe Boss  
cosmicj : 3/13/2012 11:03 am : link
should retire, but if he wants to play and passes the Giants medical test (which I don't think is a sure thing) it is a very natural signing.

By the way, Boss is not a good blocker. That's been a weakness of his from the get-go and he only improved from awful to really mediocre over his Giants career.
Why don't we let the doctors...  
Jan in DC : 3/13/2012 11:09 am : link
decide if he can play or not?

I'd love him back here on a small contract if we can work it out, and obviously, if he checks out medically. I know he wanted to be here last year from the interviews he gave approaching free agency. I believe he and Eli are friends as well.
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