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Payton suspended one year

mort christenson : 3/21/2012 12:45 pm
Boom
but what did Manning do wrong  
Nitro : 3/21/2012 12:46 pm : link
-idiots.
LOL  
Giantology : 3/21/2012 12:46 pm : link
WOW
wow  
TheMcThrill : 3/21/2012 12:46 pm : link
...
Whoa...  
T-Bone : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
...that's...umm...big.
Wow  
johnnyb : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
Worse than expected. Defensive coordinator should get more, you would think.
WOW!  
Britt in VA : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
Wonder what Williams gets!
Enjoy the time off  
chrispisano66 : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
d*ckhead!
wow  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
.
.  
mort christenson : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
Mickey Loomis 8 game and $500,000 fine. Saints fined $500,000 and 2nd rd pick in 2012.
I'm one for one so far on Saints punishments  
Greg from LI : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
Mark it, Dude

sauce  
Giantology : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
?
That's it? A second round pick?  
Britt in VA : 3/21/2012 12:47 pm : link
?
bah  
Greg from LI : 3/21/2012 12:48 pm : link
OK, that was the only one I nailed. I thought Loomis would get a year, too, and the Saints would lose their 2013 first rounder.
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Ace718 : 3/21/2012 12:48 pm : link
Via Adam Schefter ‏
Sean Payton suspended one year. Mickey Loomis 8 game and $500,000 fine. Saints fined $500,000 and a second round pick in 2012 and 2013.
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mort christenson : 3/21/2012 12:48 pm : link
Saints lost two second-round picks, one in 12 one in 13.

Williams suspended indefinitely.
Wow  
Kyle in NY : 3/21/2012 12:49 pm : link
Gotta figure that knocks off an NFC contender for 2012.
Greg William's suspended indefinitely.  
Ace718 : 3/21/2012 12:49 pm : link
.
2nd round pick is weak.  
GiantFilthy : 3/21/2012 12:49 pm : link
Year suspension for the head coach is enormous.
.  
BigBluePrestige : 3/21/2012 12:49 pm : link
Love the fact that I won't have to see that dick on tv this year
Does Spags become interim HC?  
MOOPS : 3/21/2012 12:49 pm : link
.
Haha  
SB46GIANTS : 3/21/2012 12:50 pm : link
good
Are we still getting  
BigBlueinSoFl : 3/21/2012 12:50 pm : link
their first round pick?
Gregg Williams is done in the NFL  
Greg from LI : 3/21/2012 12:50 pm : link
I'll bet he goes to college and never comes back.
Hammer  
Adam XLII : 3/21/2012 12:51 pm : link
DROPPED


Williams is done  
Wuphat : 3/21/2012 12:52 pm : link
I can't see anyone taking him on even if he is ever re-instated.
Aw, c'mon...give them a break  
Number17 : 3/21/2012 12:52 pm : link
it rained there.

HOLLY SHIT!!!  
ZogZerg : 3/21/2012 12:53 pm : link
I was thinking 6 games. A whole year.

So which Network picks him up - ESPN or NFL Network?

Williams is SCREWED.
Giants are awarded  
GIANTRGR : 3/21/2012 12:54 pm : link
the Saints 2nd rd pick.
looks like the  
sshin05 : 3/21/2012 12:54 pm : link
rams need a new DC.
Oh, can't wait to see the Saints chip-on-the-shoulder rallying cry  
pganut : 3/21/2012 12:55 pm : link
Probably will say "this motivates us even more"...after all an act of G-d couldn't keep them down, so taking away "our coach"...we'll show you"!
Awesome!  
GeneInOC : 3/21/2012 12:55 pm : link
well deserved.
they should have lost 1st round picks  
mfsd : 3/21/2012 12:55 pm : link
but 1 year for Payton is the right move

Williams should never coach again
They also lost  
bigblue1914 : 3/21/2012 12:56 pm : link
A 2nd round pick for 2013 guys!
they went light  
Eggs55 : 3/21/2012 12:56 pm : link
on the draft picks. What about Vilma??
Yeah Spags does take over duties  
Mason : 3/21/2012 12:56 pm : link
wow, that's amazing.
So what does this suspension actually mean?  
yesplease : 3/21/2012 12:56 pm : link
I mean if they were told not to hold a bounty program does anyone think that these people wont be pulling strings behind the scenes?? I dont see this as being huge outside of the drat picks
I, too, would never have expected a year for Payton...  
BMac : 3/21/2012 12:57 pm : link
...I think the draft choices lost are also pretty hefty because second-round picks can, frankly, be as valuable as high first-round picks. Lots of great value and talent gets picked up in the second round.
shouldn't they just fire him at this point  
lalalalala : 3/21/2012 12:58 pm : link

I get that it's not the time of the year where you'd want to do that, but this whole situation is counterproductive.
Williams is done  
RobCarpenter : 3/21/2012 12:59 pm : link
I don't think he'll be coaching in the NFL ever again.

Are the Redskins going to be penalized too?
Wow  
Matt in SGS : 3/21/2012 1:00 pm : link
that is crazy. You knew the hammer was coming, but I thought it was going to be for maybe 4 games.
surprised that the franchise was not penalized more with picks  
AnnapolisMike : 3/21/2012 1:01 pm : link
That Payton suspension is harsh.
.  
mort christenson : 3/21/2012 1:01 pm : link
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
3/21/12
http://twitter.com/NFLFootballInfo
NFL ANNOUNCES MANAGEMENT DISCIPLINE
IN NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ‘BOUNTY’ MATTER
Commissioner Roger Goodell notified the New Orleans Saints today of the discipline that will be imposed on
team management for violations of the NFL’s long-standing “bounty” rule that endangered player safety over a
three-year period.
Discipline for individual players involved in the Saints’ prohibited program continues to be under review with the
NFL Players Association and will be addressed by Commissioner Goodell at a later date. The program
included “bounty” payments for “knock-outs” and “cart-offs,” plays on which an opposing player was forced to
leave the game. At times, the bounties even targeted specific players by name.
The NFL’s extensive investigation established the existence of an active bounty program on the Saints during
the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons in violation of league rules, a deliberate effort to conceal the program’s
existence from league investigators, and a clear determination to maintain the program despite express
direction from Saints ownership that it stop as well as ongoing inquiries from the league office.
“We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,”
Commissioner Goodell said. “We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities. No one
is above the game or the rules that govern it. Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not
be compromised.”
“A combination of elements made this matter particularly unusual and egregious,” Commissioner Goodell
continued. “When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the
involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and
lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game.”
Following the March 2 announcement of the NFL’s initial findings, the league office conducted further
investigation, including Commissioner Goodell meeting with many of the key individuals involved, sometimes
on multiple occasions. The commissioner also discussed the matter with the leadership of the NFL Players
Association and individual players.
Based on the record, Commissioner Goodell has imposed the following discipline on Saints management:
The New Orleans Saints are fined $500,000. In addition, because the violation involves a competitive
rule, the Saints will forfeit their selections in the second round of the 2012 and 2013 NFL drafts.
Saints Head Coach Sean Payton is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective April 1.
Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis is suspended without pay for the first eight regular-season
games of the 2012 season.
Former Saints (and current St. Louis Rams) defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is suspended
indefinitely from the NFL, effective immediately. Commissioner Goodell will review Coach Williams’
status at the conclusion of the 2012 season and consider whether to reinstate him, and, if so, on what
terms. Commissioner Goodell said he will give close attention to the extent to which Coach Williams cooperates with the NFL in any further proceedings.
Saints assistant Head Coach Joe Vitt is suspended without pay for the first six regular-season games of the 2012 season.
The Saints and the individuals disciplined today are expected to participate in efforts led by the league office to develop programs that will instruct players and coaches at all levels of the game on the need for respect for the game and those who participate in it, on principles of fair play, safety and sportsmanship, and to ensure that bounties will not be part of football at any level.
Commissioner Goodell stated that the actions of the individuals disciplined today violated league rules and constituted conduct detrimental to the league and players. He said the existence of a pay-for-performance/bounty program undermined the integrity of the game. The violations were compounded by the failure of Coach Payton to supervise the players and coaches and his affirmative decision starting in 2010 (a) not to inquire into the facts concerning the pay-for-performance/bounty program even though he was aware of the league’s inquiries both in 2010 and 2012; (b) to falsely deny that the program existed; (c) to encourage the false denials by instructing assistants to “make sure our ducks are in a row;” and (d) to ignore instructions from the league office and club ownership to ensure that no such program existed.
“Beyond the clear and continuing violations of league rules, and lying to investigators, the bounty program is squarely contrary to the league’s most important initiatives – enhancing player health and safety and protecting the integrity of the game,” Commissioner Goodell said. “Let me be clear. There is no place in the NFL for deliberately seeking to injure another player, let alone offering a reward for doing so. Any form of bounty is incompatible with our commitment to create a culture of sportsmanship, fairness, and safety. Programs of this kind have no place in our game and we are determined that bounties will no longer be a part of the NFL.”
A 2007 amendment to the NFL Constitution and By-Laws obligated coaches and supervisory employees “to communicate openly and candidly with the principal owner and/or his designated representative; to ensure that club ownership is informed on a complete and timely basis of all matters affecting the club’s operations; and to avoid actions that undermine or damage the club’s reputation or operating success.” The obligation to supervise the coaching staff and players is also expressly set forth in the employment agreement signed by Coach Payton.
Commissioner Goodell said he will separately address potential sanctions for players and others with documented involvement in the bounty program.
“While I will not address player conduct at this time, I am profoundly troubled by the fact that players – including leaders among the defensive players – embraced this program so enthusiastically and participated with what appears to have been a deliberate lack of concern for the well-being of their fellow players,” Commissioner Goodell said. “While all club personnel are expected to play to win, they must not let the quest for victory so cloud their judgment that they willingly and willfully target their opponents and engage in unsafe and prohibited conduct intended to injure players.”
While NFL staff has interviewed people in connection with public allegations of bounty programs at other clubs, no evidence was established showing that the programs at other clubs involved targeting opposing players or rewarding players for injuring an opponent. Commissioner Goodell emphasized that if additional information is brought to his attention that discloses bounties offered for injuring specific opposing players, he will revisit the matter to consider additional discipline.
The findings in the league’s investigation, corroborated by multiple independent sources, conclusively established the following:
1. The Saints defensive team operated a pay-for-performance/bounty program, primarily funded by players, during the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. Under that program, players regularly made cash “donations” to a pool, and were “fined” for mental errors, loafing, penalties, and the like. At least one assistant coach (defensive coordinator Gregg Williams) also occasionally contributed to the pool. There is no evidence that any club money was contributed to the program.
2. Payments were made for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. All such payments are against league rules. Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted. The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams – Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner. Multiple sources have confirmed that several players pledged funds toward bounties on specific opposing players, with defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offering $10,000 to any player who knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game in 2010.
3. Coach Williams acknowledged that he designed and implemented the program with the assistance of certain defensive players. He said that he did so after being told by Saints Head Coach Sean Payton that his assignment was to make the defense “nasty.” Coach Williams described his role as overseeing record keeping, defining payout amounts, deciding on who received payouts, and distributing envelopes with cash to players who “earned” rewards.
4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.
5. Coach Williams now acknowledges that when he was first questioned about this matter in early 2010 he intentionally misled NFL investigators and made no effort to stop the program after he became aware of the league’s investigation.
6. Coach Williams further confirmed that the program continued during the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and that he occasionally contributed funds to the pool in each of those seasons.
7. Assistant Head Coach/Defense Joe Vitt acknowledged that he was aware of the program in 2009-2011. He admitted that, when interviewed in 2010, he “fabricated the truth” to NFL investigators and denied that any pay-for-performance or bounty program existed at the Saints.
8. Coach Vitt said one of his primary roles was to monitor the activity of Coach Williams. This was based on the direction of Coach Payton, who apparently had less than full confidence in Coach Williams. Despite Coach Vitt’s knowledge of the bounty program, his understanding of the terms “knock-out” and “cart-off,” his witnessing Coach Williams handing out envelopes that he believed to contain cash, and his acknowledgement that the defensive meeting preceding the 2010 NFC Championship Game may have “got out of hand” with respect to Brett Favre, Coach Vitt claimed he never advised either Coach Payton or General Manager Mickey Loomis of the “pay-for-performance/bounty” program.
9. A summary prepared following a Saints preseason game included the statement, “1 Cart-off – Crank up the John Deer (sic) Tractor” in reference to a hit on an opposing player. Similar statements are reflected in prepared documents or slides in connection with other games in multiple seasons. A review of the game films confirms that opposing players were injured on the plays identified in the documents.
10. When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints’ opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic).” When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a “bounty” on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
11. In early 2010, Mr. Loomis advised Coach Payton that the league office was investigating allegations concerning a bounty program. Coach Payton said that he met with his top two defensive assistants, Coach Williams and Coach Vitt, in advance of the interview with league investigators and told them, “Let’s make sure our ducks are in a row.” Remarkably, Coach Payton claimed that he never inquired of Coach Williams and Coach Vitt as to what happened in the interviews, never asked them if a “pay-for-performance” or bounty program was in fact in place, and never gave any instructions to discontinue such a program.
12. In January 2012, prior to the Saints’ first playoff game of the 2011 season, Coach Payton was advised by Mr. Loomis that the league office had reopened the investigation. Coach Payton made a cursory inquiry but took no action to ensure that any bounty program was discontinued.
13. General Manager Mickey Loomis was not present at meetings of the Saints defense at which bounties were discussed and was not aware of bounties being placed on specific players. Mr. Loomis became aware of the allegations regarding a bounty program no later than February 2010 when he was notified of the investigation into the allegations during a meeting with NFL Executive Vice President-Football Operations Ray Anderson. He was directed to ensure that any such program ceased immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis did not do enough to determine if a pay-for-performance/bounty program existed or to end any such program that did exist.
14. Saints owner Tom Benson notified Mr. Loomis in January 2012 prior to the team’s participation in the playoffs that the league’s investigation had been reopened. Mr. Benson reiterated his position that a bounty program was unacceptable and instructed Mr. Loomis to ensure that if a bounty program existed at the Saints it would stop immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis responded to this direction by making only cursory inquiries of Coaches Payton and Williams. He never issued instructions to end the bounty program to either the coaching staff or the players.
15. There is no evidence that Saints ownership had any knowledge of the pay-for-performance or bounty program. There is no evidence that any club funds were used for the program. Ownership made clear that it disapproved of the program, gave prompt and clear direction that it stop, and gave full and immediate cooperation to league investigators.
# # #
mort  
Matt in SGS : 3/21/2012 1:04 pm : link
Quote:
Discipline for individual players involved in the Saints’ prohibited program continues to be under review with the NFL Players Association and will be addressed by Commissioner Goodell at a later date.


Goodell's not done yet, some Saints players are going to get hit next.
Awesome news!  
Exit 172 : 3/21/2012 1:06 pm : link
Enjoy your suspension, Payton!

Maybe ESPN can have a camera crew documenting you while you try to game-plan your way out of this!
The  
AcidTest : 3/21/2012 1:07 pm : link
right punishment for the coaches, but I agree that at least one first round pick should have been forfeited.

I also agree that Williams is done in the NFL. I'm not even sure a college team would want him now. His coaching career may well be over, which it should be IMO.
btw  
Adam XLII : 3/21/2012 1:08 pm : link
Bill Polian and Eric Mangini are the best NFL analysts on espn. lol just thought I'd throw that in
Jay Glazer just said this will cost Payton around  
Larry in Pencilvania : 3/21/2012 1:10 pm : link
$8 million
Being demoted by Fassel  
Big Al : 3/21/2012 1:11 pm : link
now goes to Number 2 embarrassment on his resume. At the time, we thought that destroyed his rising star.
Being demoted by Fassel  
Big Al : 3/21/2012 1:11 pm : link
now goes to Number 2 embarrassment on his resume. At the time, we thought that destroyed his rising star.
Saints also lose 2 Second Round Draft picks  
ZogZerg : 3/21/2012 1:12 pm : link
This year and next and fined 500K.

Also, Payton's suspension starts on April 1st, so he won't be helping on draft day.
that's what gets lost in the suspension  
lalalalala : 3/21/2012 1:12 pm : link

it's also in essence a gigantic fine
Payton  
Headhunter : 3/21/2012 1:12 pm : link
back to popping Vicodan
I said it before and I'll say it again  
glowrider : 3/21/2012 1:13 pm : link
This Bountygate may really turn into a Dolphins bounty with Drew Brees.

The contract was taking too long and then this popped up...then the Peyton Manning talks...No way would I want to negotiate with a team with those things out there.

New Orleans may end up losing the franchise over this.
Those dirty mother effers....  
Britt in VA : 3/21/2012 1:14 pm : link
Quote:
...Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted. The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams – Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner. Multiple sources have confirmed that several players pledged funds toward bounties on specific opposing players, with defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offering $10,000 to any player who knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game in 2010.

3. Coach Williams acknowledged that he designed and implemented the program with the assistance of certain defensive players. He said that he did so after being told by Saints Head Coach Sean Payton that his assignment was to make the defense “nasty.” Coach Williams described his role as overseeing record keeping, defining payout amounts, deciding on who received payouts, and distributing envelopes with cash to players who “earned” rewards.

4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.
Haha  
BigBlueBuff : 3/21/2012 1:15 pm : link
Awesome. I wonder if he's still sporting that shit-eating grin this morning?
nice to know you Vilma  
lalalalala : 3/21/2012 1:16 pm : link

he's next. being named directly in that means he's doomed
This has honsetly  
bELIeve92 : 3/21/2012 1:16 pm : link
been the best football season/offseason I can ever remember. This shit seems like its scripted
They  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2012 1:17 pm : link
arent done! lol

Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva

ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirms more punishment coming for #Saints roster: "We haven't even gotten to the players' penalties yet."
i just tried to read two saints forums: both had server overload  
whenwaxattacks : 3/21/2012 1:17 pm : link
awesome.
Brees can't go anywhere  
lalalalala : 3/21/2012 1:17 pm : link

unless he just refuses to show up to work
Does Pete Carmichael get the HC gig  
jeff57 : 3/21/2012 1:20 pm : link
?
Someone needs to ask Daniels  
RobCarpenter : 3/21/2012 1:22 pm : link
How much $$ he got for holding onto Manning's head after a play. As in, the injury that started the neck problems.

This is great...  
bradshaw44 : 3/21/2012 1:23 pm : link
The league just crushed the NYGs cryptonite ha ha. Couldn't have asked for anything more.
Why isnt Payton simply fired?  
Number17 : 3/21/2012 1:25 pm : link
serious question.

If he was an employee anywhere else, he would be fired for lying to his employer, hiding illegal payments over the course of several years.

A suspension seems pretty lame to me.

Shocked, amazed, and pleased  
Phil in Joisey : 3/21/2012 1:26 pm : link
that the league got this one right.
its up to the owner to fire him  
Peter from CT : 3/21/2012 1:28 pm : link
the league can't
Brees played under the tag once, and just said about a week  
glowrider : 3/21/2012 1:28 pm : link
ago what he really thinks about playing under the tag (he's in NO bc SD tagged him, more or less). I'm sure he's not a happy camper and NO may be in a dealing mood at the moment.
Number 17  
Wuphat : 3/21/2012 1:28 pm : link
The suspension is handed down by the league.

Firing him would have to come from the Saints, and the suspension does not preclude them from doing so.

They stood by him before sanctions were imposed, but there's nothing to stop them from cutting bait on him now. They may still do that.
These two coaches or scumbags  
dune69 : 3/21/2012 1:28 pm : link
should get a lifetime ban. They should not be permitted to make one more dollar from the NFL.
bigblueinsofl  
Dave M : 3/21/2012 1:32 pm : link
lol....that one went under the radar
glow  
lalalalala : 3/21/2012 1:33 pm : link

but there's no limit to how many times a player can be tagged, no? other than the % increase becoming a detriment at some point.

they can hold him for at least the near/mid term future if they so desire.
Well, then the NFL should make him ineligible  
Number17 : 3/21/2012 1:34 pm : link
1 year suspension for a string of illegal activities (essentially cash for assault) borders on silly.

Next up: The IRS looks into unreported income

so what's not clear from all of this  
nyynyg : 3/21/2012 1:36 pm : link
is Spags allowed to reinstitute the bounty program with the Saints this year?
Saints were dirty players..my other thoughts  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 3/21/2012 1:37 pm : link
punishment is just..but the players involved need serious penalties assigned.
-Drew Brees ...I wonder if he signs a contract or demands a trade to dolphins. I don't think he wants to be associated with this fallout

--The players involved need serious punishment. If the coach gets a year ban..what do individual players get?

--i really would like the giants to face saints in 1st game now.

They can certainly tag him again and again  
glowrider : 3/21/2012 1:37 pm : link
but it's rare for a team to do that. They either extend the player or may agree that they'll let him look elsewhere. Not saying he's leaving, but there's a lot of really good reasons to consider a move.

Either way, shitty move to have to franchise Drew Brees. They should have given him the bank along with a contract for life.
If ownership really wanted them to stop...  
Hades07 : 3/21/2012 1:38 pm : link
...Loomis and Payton should both be fired. Disregarding a direct instruction from the owner that costs the club money, bad press and draft picks; how does that not get you fired?
i'm excited for vilma's penalty  
whenwaxattacks : 3/21/2012 1:39 pm : link
if payton got a year, vilma could be banned for as long if not longer.
I thought there'd be a cap reduction  
glowrider : 3/21/2012 1:40 pm : link
.
No Redskins penalties?  
RinR : 3/21/2012 1:41 pm : link
Fine or loss of pick(s)?
They should have to give back their Lombardi trophy  
mfsd : 3/21/2012 1:41 pm : link
and the records books should show no champion that year
Does  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/21/2012 1:44 pm : link
anybody think that the bounty system was okay? I have a friend, an Eagle fan, who is outraged by the punishment and thinks there is nothing wrong with it and that every team does it.
nj - that's because he's an eagles fan.  
whenwaxattacks : 3/21/2012 1:45 pm : link
duh.
So... do we move up one slot in selecting a player...  
M.S. : 3/21/2012 1:47 pm : link
...in 2nd round this April?
No,  
Hades07 : 3/21/2012 1:53 pm : link
the nfl awarded that pick to the eagles
MS  
Wuphat : 3/21/2012 1:54 pm : link
Sort of.

Every pick after the Saints 2nd rounder will now be one pick sooner than it was yesterday.

So, for the 2nd round there will be 31 rather than 32 picks.
Hate or love Goodell,  
M1KEM1KEM1KE : 3/21/2012 1:55 pm : link
the man is cleaning up the game and I would NOT mess with him. This punishment is light as far as I'm concerned
This taints their SB in my view  
Some Fan : 3/21/2012 1:57 pm : link
Vikings beat them but for the late and dirty hits on Favre that year.
Wow - deliberately lied to the NFL?  
section125 : 3/21/2012 1:58 pm : link
Mr. Benson should fire them all, period. The GM lied to Mr. Benson also - he should be fired.
If this was anywhere else, it would be dismissals and jail time.
Spags may have just gotten lucky. Wonder if he'll hire a DC?
After reading that detailled press release,  
cosmicj : 3/21/2012 1:59 pm : link
I'm actually surprised Payton wasn't handed an even more severe punishment. Note that Loomis, who doesn't look to have been fully aware of what was happening, received half of Payton's suspension.

The press release is compelling.
so does Spags  
Matt in SGS : 3/21/2012 2:01 pm : link
become the interim coach this year?
Giants' prospects for a repeat  
Mark C : 3/21/2012 2:02 pm : link
just got better. I like this.
Can not  
PaulN : 3/21/2012 2:02 pm : link
Help but to be thrilled. I know its a lot about how mad I was to see Peyton run up the score on us, but I can not stand the guy now, and I have grown to really dislike the Saints now, so today I am thrilled. I just would love to see us kick thier asses next season and start to turn the tables on them. I have also always disliked Williams, just the fact that he was a Buddy Ryan deciple, is a huge factor in disliking him. I really can not stand the entire Ryan family, and I am thrilled to see that they are starting to get exposed, at least thier ways are getting exposed, and if you don't think the same crap is not going on with the Jets and Cowboys, your nuts, they are, that is the way these clowns are.
Wow...  
prdave73 : 3/21/2012 2:05 pm : link
Thats pretty steep.. Didnt expect that severe. Oh well..
Good  
Model4001 : 3/21/2012 2:07 pm : link
F this dirty-ass team.
Favre was hit late and dirty so many times in that NFCC game  
Some Fan : 3/21/2012 2:08 pm : link
that it baffled me then and baffles me even more now regarding why the officials did not call roughing. That should be the next investigation, i.e., the significant officiating incompetence.

If Favre won that game, I think he would have then won the SB and ended his career on a much higher note. I think Favre and the Vikings got screwed and the Saints should be stripped of their SB win like in the Black Sox scandal.
PaulN...that is a valid point on the Ryans except that as to the  
Some Fan : 3/21/2012 2:11 pm : link
Cowboys, they do not come off as a dirty team to me the past couple of years. I think their offensive line has been dirty on occasion but not the defense.
Lupica just talking about Brees and a potential divorce  
glowrider : 3/21/2012 2:12 pm : link
Smart man - it has to be a consideration, despite his love affair with the city.
Brees should tell them to trade him. The fisting has just started  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 3/21/2012 2:24 pm : link
wait until player suspensions. This Saints team is going to get devastated.

i saw on the NOLA boards fans are in disbelief.
Payton was really stupid in the way  
ColHowPepper : 3/21/2012 2:28 pm : link
he handled the NFL on this:

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8. Coach Vitt said one of his primary roles was to monitor the activity of Coach Williams. This was based on the direction of Coach Payton, who apparently had less than full confidence in Coach Williams. Despite Coach Vitt’s knowledge of the bounty program, his understanding of the terms “knock-out” and “cart-off,” his witnessing Coach Williams handing out envelopes that he believed to contain cash, and his acknowledgement that the defensive meeting preceding the 2010 NFC Championship Game may have “got out of hand” with respect to Brett Favre, Coach Vitt claimed he never advised either Coach Payton or General Manager Mickey Loomis of the “pay-for-performance/bounty” program.
10. When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints’ opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic).” When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a “bounty” on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

11. In early 2010, Mr. Loomis advised Coach Payton that the league office was investigating allegations concerning a bounty program. Coach Payton said that he met with his top two defensive assistants, Coach Williams and Coach Vitt, in advance of the interview with league investigators and told them, “Let’s make sure our ducks are in a row.” Remarkably, Coach Payton claimed that he never inquired of Coach Williams and Coach Vitt as to what happened in the interviews, never asked them if a “pay-for-performance” or bounty program was in fact in place, and never gave any instructions to discontinue such a program.


It would appear that some of the e-mails the NFL got hold of had Loomis or the owner communicating with him on the bounty program, yet Payton claimed a "dunno" in 2012, when there was hard evidence to show he was lying?

Hence the harshness of his suspension.

Vitt evidently had a big role in this.
Goodell  
Canton : 3/21/2012 2:32 pm : link
Vacchiano

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Goodell has asked union head DeMaurice Smith recommendation for player discipline.
They should have done more to the Saints  
KWALL : 3/21/2012 2:38 pm : link
That Minnesota game was full of dirty cheap shots. The coaches were in on it and so was the front office. They should have grabbed a few first round picks.
Cam Newton & Arron Rodgers  
Headhunter : 3/21/2012 2:45 pm : link
were targeted
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Aaron Rodgers  
Headhunter : 3/21/2012 2:46 pm : link
.
Brees is "speechless' and wants an "explanation"  
Canton : 3/21/2012 2:48 pm : link
.
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I'm sure that if NO had its first rounder this year, that would have  
yatqb : 3/21/2012 2:56 pm : link
been the penalty, rather than the two #2s. But I'd have preferred a 2 this year and a 1 next year. Otherwise, good job by Goodell.
Brees and his goiter can go screw.  
B in ALB : 3/21/2012 2:57 pm : link
Scum franchise.
Brees twits  
cosmicj : 3/21/2012 2:59 pm : link
"“I am speechless,” Brees wrote. “Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this punishment.”

More evidence why athletes shouldn't have access to Twitter. I seriously hope the Giants institute a club policy banning twitter accounts for all employees.
Brees wants an explanation?  
j_rud : 3/21/2012 3:02 pm : link
Was his head inserted directly into his ass for the last 2 months?
Not surprising  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/21/2012 3:09 pm : link
Brees is a POS. The fact that his act fools alot of people is alarming.
Brees really looks like a douche  
SLIM : 3/21/2012 3:15 pm : link
with the explanation garbage. That's two scandals for Payton in addition to be known to run up the score also.
Explanation???  
BillKo : 3/21/2012 3:18 pm : link
Brees better quit, before he says something he regrets.

Nice job, Goodell. Perfect punishment.

Mort, nice job too with those two posts back to back!!! Boom/boom!!!
The one thing I will never understand  
Adam XLII : 3/21/2012 3:21 pm : link
is the "no snitching" mentality in culture. I mean, WTF? Such a strange phenomenon.
Brees did a Nyquil commercial shoot yesterday.  
j_rud : 3/21/2012 3:21 pm : link
462 takes, and no one told him to not actually drink it.
Either that,  
j_rud : 3/21/2012 3:22 pm : link
or Gregg Williams put a bounty on his common sense last season.
....  
yankees78 : 3/21/2012 3:27 pm : link
Quote:
@QBKILLA BINGO! RT @elnicastro: Shockey..? RT @QBKILLA: Just Heard Who The Snitch Was
I just love this commissioner  
Bake54 : 3/21/2012 3:39 pm : link
He has got it exactly right. Goodell needs to change the culture in the league and it's going to happen. Good for him. Flush the old breed out of the league.
Couldn't  
bluesince56 : 3/21/2012 4:25 pm : link
Have happened to a better team or HC. I'm just glad Eli wasn't injured when they played the Saints.
Fuck the consensus on Brees  
BigBlueinSoFl : 3/21/2012 4:27 pm : link
he is a class A douchebag of the highest level.
Do I remember correctly that since this involves Jeremy Shockey,  
mfjmfj : 3/21/2012 4:46 pm : link
Vilma, and the Saints second round pick that now we get their first round pick?
Goodell has spoken  
grhein8008 : 3/21/2012 4:50 pm : link
mfj  
BigBlueinSoFl : 3/21/2012 4:51 pm : link
I already did that joke.
Players from that Defense on other teams feeling the repercussions..  
Canton : 3/21/2012 5:04 pm : link
from PFT

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On same day bounty punishment comes down, Vikings cut DT Remi Ayodele, member of 2009 Saints defense
bigblue  
mfjmfj : 3/21/2012 5:32 pm : link
sorry didnt see it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Saints lose second round pick  
jeff57 : 3/21/2012 5:55 pm : link
They don't have a first or a second. Means Giants will be picking at 63 instead of 64.
Fuck em  
Geomon : 3/21/2012 7:19 pm : link
They deserve worse.
This is about what I expected  
Life Long Giants Fan : 3/21/2012 7:59 pm : link
Good news.
mfj  
Giantfan in skinland : 3/21/2012 8:05 pm : link
don't feel too bad...

People have been making that joke (again) for weeks and it didn't stop Bigblue either.
Looking at this thread  
mrvax : 3/21/2012 8:38 pm : link
and the Shockey/rat thread, I agree that all former and present NFL players must have every "tweet" cleared by a high school graduate before it posts.
All this stuff is fine and dandy  
ghost718 : 3/21/2012 8:41 pm : link
but what I really want to do is play these guys again.

We can sign Jacobs the week prior to have him do his dance on the Saints emblem.
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