said Phil should be in the HOF.
micheal wilbon is an idiot.
Giants fans back then were so notorious for expecting the worst.
But really that was the beginning of the franchise turning it around. Picked Mark Haynes in 1979 and LT in 1981.
It was the other way around. Simms was picked in 1979 and Haynes in 1980.
certainly one of my favorites, due to his gritiness, toughness and leadership.
I do have to say, however, that he was one of those remote throwing picks. I'm so glad that I'm not a GM and that the Giants (George Young) knew what they were doing.
in order to be considered for the Hall of Fame. He was leading us to the best regular season start this franchise has ever seen, 10-2, and then he got hurtin the middle of our last lost that season to the Bills. He wasn't benched. He wasn't cut or traded, he got injured. He was having a great season, better than 86. He had as much to do with us winning it all in 90 has anybody on that team. Yes Hostetler was the winning QB, but Phil was a huge part of that team and has 2 Super Bowl rings.
He earned his 2nd ring more than Andre Brown did this past season, and Brown started to sing " I gotta ring ".
Simms is a all time Giant great and a hall of famer in my book!!!!!
If he hadn't been injured so often @ the beginning of his career...if he hadn't been injured in '90...if Handley didn't start Hostetler over him...
A lot of 'ifs' that'll probably keep Simms out of the HOF.
in that draft.......
Jack Thompson, taken at #4.....
Phil at #7
Steve Fuller at #23....
Montana at #82
Dan Manucci at #116
Rick Leach at #132
Chuck Fusina at #133
Mike Moroski at #154
Jeff Komlo at #231
I think you kind of get the drift......as far as QB's go, this was not a a strong draft for qb's....
So we have Phil and Joe....every team in the NFL had three chances at getting Joe....
Were the Giants right in taking Phil over Joe? Who knows.....but I know this....Phil took a beating his first 5 seasons, compared to Joe's first 5 seasons....how would Joe have held up with those Giant OL's in front of him?
We'll never know......and I remember the booing when he was picked.....never saw him play(how many Morehead State games were on tv?), but we saw Joe and all those comebacks with Notre Dame.....
But, I think we picked the right guy.....I don't believe Joe would have lasted behind those OL's we had.....
We had Charlie, Y.A., Fran, Phil, and now we have Eli....I bet you can't find one guy who will admit they booed him during that draft pick.....
He was desperately hoping that the Giants would draft Montana (he and Montana were from the same hometown and my dad watched him while he was at Notre Dame). When the Giants' pick was announced, my dad stood up and yelled, "Who the hell is Phil Simms and where the [bleep] is Morehead State!?!?!"
Sadly, my dad died in 1982 and never saw any of the Giants SB victories. He did see Montana win one, though.
Had the 49 ers drafted Simms with that revolutionary offense and the superior offense coaching and the better weather and Jerry Rice, etc Simms would be in the HOF.
Hell, if Simms was young enough to be drafted in 2004 by the Giants he would be on the way to the HOF.
I think if Giants drafted Montana in windy Giants stadium with weak WRs and a ball control offense he would have a career much like Chad Pennington.
after the 49er's game (NFC champioship in 2011) Eli gets my vote now as the toughest.
Phill Simms was a true warrior though ... loved his teams. A great era in Giants football.
have they had any other players since then to go to the NFL? Not exactly a football factory. Are they still in existence?
Yeah. The Giants had Bavaro, an excellent O-line, and a great running game for a period of Simms's prime years, but they always lacked really great WRs. I wonder how Simms's career would have looked if the Giants had a perennial all-pro WR back then. How would he have played with guys like Nicks and Cruz?
Don't forget how windy the old stadium was in december and January. It was hard to pass well at the end of the year.
