Don't get me wrong Wilson would have been at the top of my short list after Glenn, I really like him but the fact of the matter is you can always get RBs later and the position of starter is filled already by Bradshaw.
Our run blocking was bad last year, plain and simple. We lost our 2nd best run blocker to boot and it's not as if Glenn wasn't a good value at our spot, he was. A 4 year starter in the SEC and a guy that steps in and really helps us with a weakness. Not to mention Beatty is charged with protecting by far our most valuable asset and he has proven to be inconsistent in various ways. Having a guy that could start or move to RT letting DD move to LT if needed would be prudent. I know the staff is high on Brewer but Glenn is an elite OL talent and the last one available in this draft.
The bottom line is this is all about Eli, Eli thrives off the play action and nobody was respecting our play action game last year. Sure, we can get a guard in later rounds, but not one that you can say, hey, this guy is going to come in start from day 1 and really help our run game.
IMO the Wilson pick is even mitigated by the fact that we have not addressed the problems with our run blocking. We've been letting our OL age and it's the lifeblood of any offense, I hope it doesn't catch up with us.
Well... then lets make sure we can protect him. We need way more depth and TALENT in the O-Line so we can at least make a hole for the RB.
I admit Wilson looks good after watching the video on him and I'm fine with the pick but really wished we would have addressed the O-Line first.
I agree that it's all about protecting Eli and I hope we draft a guard one of these next couple rounds, but I think getting a RB who actually has plus speed will help a lot. How many times did we see Jacobs get tripped up after 7 yards when he could've easily gone 30 yards? It happened so often seemingly atleast once a game. Jacobs turned a lot of 3 yard runs into 7 yard runs during his time with us, but he also turned a lot of 20 yard runs into 7 yard runs. Wilson won't be getting tripped up from behind as easily and that changes the teams offensive chemistry a lot.
BB56. Guards just fall, but only to a certain point. I mean you read the scouting reports on Snee (34th) pick and they sound similar to Glenn. Even a guy like Mankins @ 32 didn't have the scouting report that Glenn did. Guard is definitely more of a luxury especially because you can get starters in the mid rounds, teams with needs at "sexier" positions always try to fill those first.
Or a potential dominant left guard?
People will have their opinions on both
but I'd have to go with taking a future guard who you can win with inside for the next 15 years. I'm happy with Wilson though, either would've been fine with me
We'll get line help tonight.
And if you did keep him at OT, he is a RT only. Would a 1st round pick on a RT only prospect be smart when RT prospects usually go lower in the draft?
I like Wilson and I like Glenn but I'm going to trust Reese here. And this is coming from a guy who thinks that maybe they should have went with Stephen Hill.
But to use that for a basis for not questioning any moves ever is ridiculous. Should we just rule out all dissenting opinions and make everyone pledge allegiance to the Reese?
Trust the process. Beatty is fine at LT. Someone capable will emerge at RT. The interior is fine. Boothe, Snee and Baas are as solid as we can hope for. Petrus pushing them and maybe we grab someone today that helps out.
Speed kills. - ( New Window )
so to me if you invest a 1st round pick in an RB you believe him to be a special talent. I hope wilson is just that. but if he's not than this was a bad pick.
i like our GM i like our team i'm not bashing the pick or the player. i personally don't agree with talking RB's in round 1 unless they are a special talent.
There are 6-7 draft picks remaining. Positions you desired last night will be drafted tonight and tomorrow. The Giants have nailed many draft picks in rds 2 and beyond. Trust the process.
I like that Reese prefers to draft play makers in the 1-2 rounds. He goes after the mudders later on. It's a process that works.
That alone could be enough to pass on a guy at 32.
dont understand the need to completely diminish his value and downplay his talents. we all knew if we picked him you guys would be gushing over him
Oh, no. YOU shouldn't consider that you're dead wrong and ignorant of most of the data that the team has access to.
Please proceed in educating us and the Giants organization?
We will take a guy in the mid rounds and add a body or 2 as an UDFA. We won't reach on an OL.
Besides, this would be moot if our run blocking hadn't already proved to be underwhelming. It's been falling off the cliff the last couple of years and KM was our 2nd best run blocker, even on the decline.
We obviously thought Wilson was a cut above any other RB that might be available later...and we wanted a RB
If we don't take an O-Lineman in Rd 1, it could be b/c we see others of reasonably comparable value available later on
Just my opinion
Reese and the Giants organization are smarter, more well informed, and know tons more about football than I do.
All that being said, am I allowed to present a logical thought out point even if my capacity to make cogent points pales in comparison to that of Reese and the other gods of our lands?
Simply put, its fine and dandy that we got a stud at RB. I know that we needed help there.
But without an O-line that will open up holes for them, I don't see what the point is.
Glenn was better at being a wall keeping people out than he was a guy who opened up holes. His main weakness is that he doesn't use his strength to push forward with power and he lacks lower body strength.
That isn't a roadgrader or a mauler. It is a large guy who can stop people from getting to the QB, but who will have to learn the more significant skills needed at the pro level.
Two, he is 350 pounds. The giants like OL that can pull, get out in space and block. He has trouble pulling.
So, you think he is a good prospect and we should have drafted him and that is fine because it is your opinion but you have to ask yourself how he fits into the Giants system and I don't think it is a match.
I would never advocate a desperate win now approach but Glenn isn't that. He makes us better now and on an ongoing basis.
Wilson 90 yard KOR - ( New Window )
He'd be fine as a pass blocker, perhaps, but the biggest knocks on him are based on his lack of push and ability to open space. Wouldn't that be a key for a run-blocker?
I said you aren't getting a road grader at the end of round 2, i'm not saying Cordy Glenn definitely is one. He very well could be at 6-6 345 and as I said we aren't getting someone with that potential at the end of round 2.
McCoy
Jones Drew
Foster
Gore
Steven Jackson
Lynch
Turner
DeAngelo Williams
Forte
Peterson
Fred Jackson
Ben Tate
Rice
Mendenhall
Chris Johnson
McFadden
Charles
Ryan Matthews
I may have missed a couple but out of that list, ONE GUY, Arian Foster went undrafted. ONE. The rest? All drafted in rds 1-3. Most in Rds 1-2.
Please. Stop with this horse crap myth perpetuated the last few years around here that RBs are a dime a dozen and can be found in any round. It's nothing but 100% bullshit.
Oh, here is a list of TEs that were NOT drafted in rd 1.
Gronkowski
Bavaro
Hernandez
Graham
Daniels
Witten
Fred Davis
Gates
Finley
And many many more...
Here is a list of OLINEMEN that were NOT drafted in RD-1:
Chris Snee
Brad Benson
Jumbo Elliot
Doug Riesenberg
David Diehl
David Baas
Kareem McKenzie
Bart Oates
Billy Ard
Chris Godfrey
Shawn Ohara
Might as well wait to draft the TE and OL. After all, we can always find those guys later in the draft.
When is the last time the Giants had an interior linemen at 340-350 pounds?
They like lean, long, strong, athletic OG's capable of pulling and trapping.
Even their massive RT's of last year (McKenzie, Brewer) were only around 325-330.
Again, I don't hate Glenn, I just seriously wonder how he would fit into the scheme.
Also, you are devaluing
What is your inside info on Glenn's physical condition?
I'll wait.
"Mauler who gets a fantastic push in the run game"
"Mobile with the range to pull and reach second level"
"Excellent brute strength and is naturally powerful"
"Delivers violent initial punch and stuns defenders"
CBS Sportsline
"Glenn obliterates defenders on the run"
KFFL
"Powerful - has a few highlight pancake blocks to his resume but does a great job of sealing the defender"
"Quick to the second level"
If they don't draft any OL at all today or tomorrow, then okay outrage is fine. But there is no way to tell what they will do or how good the people they pick will be.
How do any of us know that say the Giants pick an OL today that he won't wind up the best OL in the whole draft? I mean let's let the draft play out and see what kind of players the draftees are before we all go crazy.
PFW:
Struggles to unlock his hips (even more glaring in Combine drills) and adjust to quicker blockers who can get underneath his pads (see Boise State). Tends to play tall and does not use the power and explosion in his body. Lacks lower-body strength. Will coast on his natural talent and play down to the level of competition. Has a soft temperament and does not play with a lot of urgency or breathe fire. Is a naïve follower and lacks great work habits — not a self-starter. Weight has tended to fluctuate and balloon (though he was asked to bulk up as a senior).
TSN:
Weaknesses:
• Not particularly aggressive and lacks a nasty demeanor
• Tendency for pads to get high and will lose leverage
• Does not often get a significant push in the run game
• Could struggle to protect edge against speed in pros
• Not a polished technician, relying too much on talent
• Questionable work ethic with some conditioning issues
DrafTek (a more balanced assessment):
Compares to (Current NFL Player): Mike Iupati
Weaknesses
- Struggles with speed rushers, may be relegated to ROT or OG at next level - Can get lazy with technique, as he overpowers college competition - Needs to improve hand placement after initial punch - Inconsistent on initial drive off the ball (quickness)
They also haven't had a home run hitter in the backfield for a long time. Bradshaw hasn't been that breakaway threat since his feet started to give him trouble. At his best Jacobs was good for 30-45 yard runs a couple of times a game, which is fantastic, but he was never a threat to go the distance from everywhere on the field.
Said this last night, but one more thing about Wilson: He's very young; not turning 21 until June. He's should have a very high ceiling, and he shouldn't be close to it yet. He's probably still not fully mature physically, and if it takes a year for him to learn to be a reliable pass blocker, then next year he'll still be younger than most of the guys in the draft.
Plus his flaws -- ball security, blocking -- are exactly the thing the Giants under Coughlin have excelled at fixing.
He wasn't on my radar, but I like the pick.
It's hard you hear the Giants "talk up" players all the time, they talked up Scott and have been talking up Ware for years so I wanted to see them get a chance. Ware has shown promise in bursts. We are lucky to have Reese and Co. but ironically I think they were going for the sexier move here, i'm obviously not pulling for Glenn over Wilson at this point just thought it was an interesting debate that I leaned slightly towards Glenn on.
Interesting thought.
DeCastro fits the Giants like a glove.
That's like saying "the only first round RBs were Richardson and Martin" if we went Glenn. Both Glenn and Wilson were good value where we picked.
Plus, the guy climbed up the side of an arena. What a freak. Good characetr as well, always important to the franchise.
If we're talking NEED pick (which we are not--at least not in a vacuum) we needed an infusion of talent at a talent position.
There's a lot of O Linemen left and we have no idea how the Giants have them ranked. Tonight will tell us a lot about how the Giants are approaching this coming year and where they feel we have some shortcomings.
I believe he improves our run game exponentially, then a run blocking guard would, if we stayed the course with our current stable of backs.
The same is true at any position, but historically rookie RBs can make big contributions, even in limited snaps. This guy might help next year, and he might be a long term feature back. If the Giants loved him, but had doubts about the OL prospects, it makes sense to pick the guy you love and wait until later to choose among the guys you have questions about.
The Giants drafted Osi, Tuck, and Webster in the second round. Those guys were there for a reason, in that NFL teams had doubts about them for varying reasons. This pick doesn't mean we won't add talented linemen later.
Yes Nicks is 345 - he was also drafted in the 5th round. Their other pro bowl G was a 4th round draft pick.
obviously the giants are worried about bradshaw's feet/ankle injuries, and no amount of new offensive lineman is going to make ware a more effective runner than wilson
They picked an RB ... and although initially disappointed felt it was a need but not one as glaring as OL help ...
The more I look at Wilson the more I got feelings back when Spiller was drafted ... and I felt he brought some severely lacking and needed talents to our offense ... since then we've overcome that without a Spiller ... but now with Wilson ... the thought of a similar playmaker ... breaking a long run ... or catching a pass in space and in stride ... would give Eli a weapon he's not had since Tiki ... and that playmaking is dangerous ...
So although in agreement to the title of this thread for maybe 10 minutes last night ... I'll change it to
I really liked Glenn ... but I'm extremely happy we went with Wilson ...
Know the difference between if the Giants picked 10 guys and I picked 10 guys they would succeed at a higher clip than me and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO EVER QUESTION ANYTHING THE GIANTS DO EVER.
Get off your high horse. Hubris? What a joke. You are really going to break out hubris by definition if someone questions a pick?
I learned the word hubris for the first time in reference to Odysseus blinding the cyclops and laughing at him while sailing away. Wow, amazing how similar that sounds to trying to spark a debate about a legitimately debatable topic. Oh wait, it's not debatable, the Giants won 2 super bowls in 5 years so that means they are omnipresent.
when bradshaw has to take his few games off, as he does every year, who was going to run the ball? ware and scott?
we are already minus manningham and jacobs - needed a weapon, and wilson is a weapon
Torrag, your points are taken but wasn't I right to call you an idiot then, since you called others idiots? haha.
Also, hubris is pretty aggressive, pretty aggressive indeed.