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I like Wilson but we should have gone with Glenn

NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 10:46 am
Don't get me wrong Wilson would have been at the top of my short list after Glenn, I really like him but the fact of the matter is you can always get RBs later and the position of starter is filled already by Bradshaw.

Our run blocking was bad last year, plain and simple. We lost our 2nd best run blocker to boot and it's not as if Glenn wasn't a good value at our spot, he was. A 4 year starter in the SEC and a guy that steps in and really helps us with a weakness. Not to mention Beatty is charged with protecting by far our most valuable asset and he has proven to be inconsistent in various ways. Having a guy that could start or move to RT letting DD move to LT if needed would be prudent. I know the staff is high on Brewer but Glenn is an elite OL talent and the last one available in this draft.

The bottom line is this is all about Eli, Eli thrives off the play action and nobody was respecting our play action game last year. Sure, we can get a guard in later rounds, but not one that you can say, hey, this guy is going to come in start from day 1 and really help our run game.

IMO the Wilson pick is even mitigated by the fact that we have not addressed the problems with our run blocking. We've been letting our OL age and it's the lifeblood of any offense, I hope it doesn't catch up with us.
My question is,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/27/2012 10:47 am : link
why did every team pass on him in Rd 1 Iirc, many had him going rather early
I agree with you  
Jay on the Island : 4/27/2012 10:48 am : link
I am not questioning Reese but when Glenn and Konz fell to us I was thrilled and shocked when they took Wilson. I know very little about Wilson and I was watching highlights last night after he was selected and I really like the pick.
Agree  
jeff57 : 4/27/2012 10:48 am : link
The problem with the run game was mostly due to the line not opening up holes. Another running back is not going to change that. I would have picked Glenn and the gotten a RB later on.
our o line is so old  
jintz4life : 4/27/2012 10:48 am : link
with our projected starters average age of 29
you are assuming  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2012 10:49 am : link
we won't go OL later in the draft when we almost certainly will. Beatty and Snee were 2nd round picks, everyone else is round 4 or 5 or UDFA. We've done well not overpicking on o-line and I see no reason to change our approach. We will find a guy we like + we have Brewer who they are high on.
With how things shook, I'd have probably preferred OL too, but  
Riggies : 4/27/2012 10:49 am : link
Wilson has the potential to be one of those playmaking backs that make a QB's life easier -- he's the first homerun hitter as a pass catcher they'll have back there in a long time -- and he's one of those RBs that has a chance to still produce behind a less than stellar OL.
Who is the last 350 lb ol  
chris r : 4/27/2012 10:50 am : link
Who has been successful?
We could go OL later on  
jeff57 : 4/27/2012 10:51 am : link
But doesn't mean they'll be as good as Glenn.
I agree  
nicky43 : 4/27/2012 10:51 am : link
Many here keep saying we need to really make this draft count because Eli is starting his PRIME and only has so many years.

Well... then lets make sure we can protect him. We need way more depth and TALENT in the O-Line so we can at least make a hole for the RB.

I admit Wilson looks good after watching the video on him and I'm fine with the pick but really wished we would have addressed the O-Line first.



Glenn has been overrated from the get-go...  
Milton : 4/27/2012 10:51 am : link
There is so much more to being a top OL than having long arms and a good size/speed ratio for your position. Physically, Glenn is the Giants prototype, but mentally he isn't. I would rather Schwartz, J. Martin, or even Silatolu (who may not be the sharpest dude, but has the mental stamina, attitude, and toughness you like in an OL.
I'm sure the Giants agree  
frets : 4/27/2012 10:51 am : link
They must be kicking themselves and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Reese fired before he screws up the rest of this draft
100% agree  
Stu : 4/27/2012 10:52 am : link
That said, in Reese I trust.
chicke or egg with regards to the running game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/27/2012 10:52 am : link
Our OL wasntb blocking well but our RBs were also very poor last season. Jacobs was so inconsistent with his burst, some days he looked like the Jacobs of '06 other times he looked ready to retire. And Bradshaw is a warrior, but I have no idea how he was playing with messed up feet like that.

I agree that it's all about protecting Eli and I hope we draft a guard one of these next couple rounds, but I think getting a RB who actually has plus speed will help a lot. How many times did we see Jacobs get tripped up after 7 yards when he could've easily gone 30 yards? It happened so often seemingly atleast once a game. Jacobs turned a lot of 3 yard runs into 7 yard runs during his time with us, but he also turned a lot of 20 yard runs into 7 yard runs. Wilson won't be getting tripped up from behind as easily and that changes the teams offensive chemistry a lot.
I'm psyched to have Wilson  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 10:52 am : link
the work ethic, the athleticism. (clocked at 4.29 at one point at VT) He seems to have great hands too and the production is there. No complaints about him.

BB56. Guards just fall, but only to a certain point. I mean you read the scouting reports on Snee (34th) pick and they sound similar to Glenn. Even a guy like Mankins @ 32 didn't have the scouting report that Glenn did. Guard is definitely more of a luxury especially because you can get starters in the mid rounds, teams with needs at "sexier" positions always try to fill those first.
nicky43  
Milton : 4/27/2012 10:53 am : link
I'm an OL-first guy, too, but you can't reach for one. There are some interesting OL still available in round two and later.
So... what helps the running game more?  
Neverend : 4/27/2012 10:53 am : link
A very good complementary back?

Or a potential dominant left guard?


People will have their opinions on both

but I'd have to go with taking a future guard who you can win with inside for the next 15 years. I'm happy with Wilson though, either would've been fine with me
Carl Nicks is 345  
jeff57 : 4/27/2012 10:54 am : link
He's not too shabby.
Disagree  
FatHeadTommy : 4/27/2012 10:54 am : link
Problem with the run in part was that BJ got slow. He couldnt get to a hole fast enough. Bradshaw plays hurt and that also has to reduce his speed to the hole even though he runs incredibly hard. This kid is a stud and he is going to light it up in NY. A much classier version of TIKI. He is only 20. At 24 or 25 he will be even stronger and tougher than he already is. Watch him guys and enjoy.

We'll get line help tonight.
I don't mind Glenn but there are plenty of questions about him.  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/27/2012 10:55 am : link
He was a OT at Georgia but some seem to think that he is an OG in the NFL. If that is the case, there would be a transition, and even so, he doesn't really fit what the Giants usually look for at OG.

And if you did keep him at OT, he is a RT only. Would a 1st round pick on a RT only prospect be smart when RT prospects usually go lower in the draft?

I like Wilson and I like Glenn but I'm going to trust Reese here. And this is coming from a guy who thinks that maybe they should have went with Stephen Hill.
frets, yeah we won a superbowl  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 10:55 am : link
but it doesn't mean EVERY decision we make is right. Sure will I admit that if it's me up against the Giants staff they will be right more often than me, uh, duh...

But to use that for a basis for not questioning any moves ever is ridiculous. Should we just rule out all dissenting opinions and make everyone pledge allegiance to the Reese?
THe OL  
djm : 4/27/2012 10:56 am : link
played much better in december and beyond. It could use an infusion of talent but the RB position was desperate for talent. Wilson brings the talent in spades. We needed some shiny.

Trust the process. Beatty is fine at LT. Someone capable will emerge at RT. The interior is fine. Boothe, Snee and Baas are as solid as we can hope for. Petrus pushing them and maybe we grab someone today that helps out.

I don't care if this has been posted before  
BBI4LIFE : 4/27/2012 10:56 am : link
because I love it.
Speed kills. - ( New Window )
In Reese I trust  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2012 10:57 am : link
Giants have earned my support. This year's draft is stocked with Offensive Linemen. They'll get one.
"make everyone pledge allegiance to the Reese?"  
jeff57 : 4/27/2012 10:57 am : link
That's apparently what some people on her want. Why don't we just shut down the board for the duration?
don't be surpirsed if they draft a Guard and tackle both this year  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2012 10:57 am : link
.
I think Glenn is gonna have back problems  
Phil in LA : 4/27/2012 10:58 am : link
I've seen a lot of pictures where he looks top heavy. Though, if he keeps falling, I'm still interested.
i'm an accountant and not a scout  
GiantsFan84 : 4/27/2012 10:59 am : link
but to me wilson needs to be damn good to justify this pick. it seems like every year running backs come out of nowhere and do well. heck detroit signed kevin smith off the street last year and he played great.

so to me if you invest a 1st round pick in an RB you believe him to be a special talent. I hope wilson is just that. but if he's not than this was a bad pick.

i like our GM i like our team i'm not bashing the pick or the player. i personally don't agree with talking RB's in round 1 unless they are a special talent.
it's funny  
djm : 4/27/2012 11:00 am : link
but every year we go through this process where fans get all worked up over a position being passed over in the 1st round. We needed this or we needed that....should have taken this OL or should have taken the TE...

There are 6-7 draft picks remaining. Positions you desired last night will be drafted tonight and tomorrow. The Giants have nailed many draft picks in rds 2 and beyond. Trust the process.

I like that Reese prefers to draft play makers in the 1-2 rounds. He goes after the mudders later on. It's a process that works.
Both Glenn...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/27/2012 11:00 am : link
and Martin were going to be question marks on whether or not they'd play best at Guard or Tackle.

That alone could be enough to pass on a guy at 32.
Vin  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:00 am : link
Glenn started 28 games at LG in college and 4 at RG. He could step in just fine at LG. Nicks is 6-5 343 and Glenn is 6-6 345. A lot of guards are in the 6-3 area, Glenn has a bigger frame that can support more weight. He was great in pass protection both at G and T...
overrated? mike garafolo  
Neverend : 4/27/2012 11:00 am : link
said the giants had glenn rated higher than wilson

dont understand the need to completely diminish his value and downplay his talents. we all knew if we picked him you guys would be gushing over him
You're right.  
Randy in CT : 4/27/2012 11:01 am : link
We should definitely listen to a guy who's watching TV over a team of scouts, coaches and GMs who put millions of dollars into the scouting process.

Oh, no. YOU shouldn't consider that you're dead wrong and ignorant of most of the data that the team has access to.

Please proceed in educating us and the Giants organization?
Randy  
cosmicj : 4/27/2012 11:03 am : link
you're right. Every post on BBI should just confirm every move the Giants make. It would make BBI a lot shorter and easier to get through.
I would have liked Glenn  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2012 11:06 am : link
but I am happy we have a playmaker at RB. I personally think RB is a bigger need than OL as well. Beatty had a freak injury and Baas was dinged from the get go but played well in the playoffs. We also have Brewer in the mix with Petrus getting solid PT last year.

We will take a guy in the mid rounds and add a body or 2 as an UDFA. We won't reach on an OL.
djm  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:06 am : link
my point was that we aren't going to get a road grader at the end of round 2. You get the mauler type guards 15-45, that's almost always where they go. Snee is our only potential pro bowl lineman at this point and to me, when you have a QB like Eli behind center, especially one that thrives off the play action like he does, you get that man as many pro bowlers in front of him as you can.

Besides, this would be moot if our run blocking hadn't already proved to be underwhelming. It's been falling off the cliff the last couple of years and KM was our 2nd best run blocker, even on the decline.

Part of the decision making revolves around  
mfsd : 4/27/2012 11:09 am : link
the difference between the talent of a guy available in the 1st round, vs. the value of other guys at that position in later rds

We obviously thought Wilson was a cut above any other RB that might be available later...and we wanted a RB

If we don't take an O-Lineman in Rd 1, it could be b/c we see others of reasonably comparable value available later on

Just my opinion
Let me just pre-empt all further who are you to question Reese  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:09 am : link
or the Giants organization comments...

Reese and the Giants organization are smarter, more well informed, and know tons more about football than I do.

All that being said, am I allowed to present a logical thought out point even if my capacity to make cogent points pales in comparison to that of Reese and the other gods of our lands?
Couldn't agree more with this thread  
NYG2302 : 4/27/2012 11:10 am : link
And my echoes last night were falling on deaf ears. And I was getting crap for it.

Simply put, its fine and dandy that we got a stud at RB. I know that we needed help there.

But without an O-line that will open up holes for them, I don't see what the point is.
I believe the Wilson pick was also because of our return game.  
Blue21 : 4/27/2012 11:10 am : link
He's explosive, elusive, and a threat to go the distance whenever he touches the ball.He could shorten the field for our offense.
Calling Glenn...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/27/2012 11:11 am : link
a mauler or a road-grader means people haven't watched much tape of him. The Giants would have picked him based on potential, but he wasn't dominant at the college level.

Glenn was better at being a wall keeping people out than he was a guy who opened up holes. His main weakness is that he doesn't use his strength to push forward with power and he lacks lower body strength.

That isn't a roadgrader or a mauler. It is a large guy who can stop people from getting to the QB, but who will have to learn the more significant skills needed at the pro level.
i dont know if any of this has been mentioned yet but i have 2 points  
robbieballs2003 : 4/27/2012 11:12 am : link
One, from his scouting reports he is a very poor run blocker. A guy that is around 350 cannot be a poor run blocker if he expects to be a top pick.

Two, he is 350 pounds. The giants like OL that can pull, get out in space and block. He has trouble pulling.

So, you think he is a good prospect and we should have drafted him and that is fine because it is your opinion but you have to ask yourself how he fits into the Giants system and I don't think it is a match.
More than anything we are trying to win a superbowl here  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:13 am : link
and I've really got no problems with Boothe or our other starters so much so that I do not think we can find someone to jump in front of them in the 2nd round. The point is, why not take someone that can jump in front of them who is good value at that point in the draft and fills a need ahead of someone who we know will be a back up and has to be coached up on pass protection.

I would never advocate a desperate win now approach but Glenn isn't that. He makes us better now and on an ongoing basis.
In Reese we trust.  
SuperRonJohnson : 4/27/2012 11:14 am : link
It's a great pick. We have a lot more to do today and Reese and company will do the same exceptional job again.
yeah, speed kills  
Dylan fan : 4/27/2012 11:17 am : link
Wilson is gonna be a holy terror on KORs. He blew by about 6 players & put a lot of distance between them & him rather quickly.
Wilson 90 yard KOR - ( New Window )
Reese was pretty clear  
JonC : 4/27/2012 11:17 am : link
that after the top 15, the grades were pretty even through 32 (and probably a bit beyond to around 40), nothing mystifying here.
NoGainDayne...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/27/2012 11:18 am : link
but your reasoning for wanting Glenn is one of his weaknesses:

Quote:
Our run blocking was bad last year, plain and simple. We lost our 2nd best run blocker to boot and it's not as if Glenn wasn't a good value at our spot, he was. A 4 year starter in the SEC and a guy that steps in and really helps us with a weakness.


He'd be fine as a pass blocker, perhaps, but the biggest knocks on him are based on his lack of push and ability to open space. Wouldn't that be a key for a run-blocker?
FMIC  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:18 am : link
he got moved all over the line, hard to settle in, more likely was trying to mitigate mistakes as opposed to getting comfortable and excelling.

I said you aren't getting a road grader at the end of round 2, i'm not saying Cordy Glenn definitely is one. He very well could be at 6-6 345 and as I said we aren't getting someone with that potential at the end of round 2.
Garafolo  
Phil in LA : 4/27/2012 11:18 am : link
also said we were taking Adrian Branch, he's not getting the best intel this week.
NoGain  
Fred in Atlanta : 4/27/2012 11:20 am : link
We are probably not getting a home run hitting RB at the end of Round 2 either.
Here are the best RBs the NFL has to offer....  
djm : 4/27/2012 11:21 am : link
in no particular order:

McCoy
Jones Drew
Foster
Gore
Steven Jackson
Lynch
Turner
DeAngelo Williams
Forte
Peterson
Fred Jackson
Ben Tate
Rice
Mendenhall
Chris Johnson
McFadden
Charles
Ryan Matthews

I may have missed a couple but out of that list, ONE GUY, Arian Foster went undrafted. ONE. The rest? All drafted in rds 1-3. Most in Rds 1-2.

Please. Stop with this horse crap myth perpetuated the last few years around here that RBs are a dime a dozen and can be found in any round. It's nothing but 100% bullshit.

Oh, here is a list of TEs that were NOT drafted in rd 1.

Gronkowski
Bavaro
Hernandez
Graham
Daniels
Witten
Fred Davis
Gates
Finley

And many many more...

Here is a list of OLINEMEN that were NOT drafted in RD-1:

Chris Snee
Brad Benson
Jumbo Elliot
Doug Riesenberg
David Diehl
David Baas
Kareem McKenzie
Bart Oates
Billy Ard
Chris Godfrey
Shawn Ohara

Might as well wait to draft the TE and OL. After all, we can always find those guys later in the draft.


djm...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/27/2012 11:23 am : link
thanks for posting that. I've been wondering why people keep saying you can get RB's at anytime.
Glenn  
Blue Blood : 4/27/2012 11:24 am : link
would not start.. if he was so great then 31 other teams would not have passed on him. Guards generally do not go in the early rounds...
NoGainDayne  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/27/2012 11:24 am : link
That is exactly my point....

When is the last time the Giants had an interior linemen at 340-350 pounds?

They like lean, long, strong, athletic OG's capable of pulling and trapping.

Even their massive RT's of last year (McKenzie, Brewer) were only around 325-330.

Again, I don't hate Glenn, I just seriously wonder how he would fit into the scheme.
cosmic, you can disagree  
Randy in CT : 4/27/2012 11:24 am : link
all day long for all I care but if you don't qualify your disagreements with the Giants' brass and understand how ill-informed you are in comparison then that's your problem.
nothing wrong with offering a dissenting opinion  
mfsd : 4/27/2012 11:24 am : link
but don't get pissy when many of us trust Reese and the Giants evaluations of these players more than yours
Petrus is a great run blocker and did 40 or so lifts at the Combine.  
yatqb : 4/27/2012 11:25 am : link
If he can learn to pass block, we don't need another OG. Big if, but no bigger than whether Glenn can transition to a drive-blocking RT, OR to a pulling OG.

Fred hit the nail on the head  
frets : 4/27/2012 11:26 am : link
We weren't getting a game breaking back at the end of the second...

Also, you are devaluing
the threat of the run  
frets : 4/27/2012 11:27 am : link
Offensive linemen don't scare a defense
Randy  
cosmicj : 4/27/2012 11:27 am : link
your insults & non-contributions are getting tired. NoGain posted a thoughtful, reasonable opinion that in no way was a slam of the Giants FO. If you have something substantive to post, write it. If you're just going to post again about the Giants FO knows better than us, just save the bandwidth.
cosmic,  
Randy in CT : 4/27/2012 11:29 am : link
you are blathering like a fool.

What is your inside info on Glenn's physical condition?

I'll wait.
FMIC, seems like you are watching different tape than everyone else...  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:29 am : link
NFL Draft Countdown

"Mauler who gets a fantastic push in the run game"

"Mobile with the range to pull and reach second level"

"Excellent brute strength and is naturally powerful"

"Delivers violent initial punch and stuns defenders"

CBS Sportsline

"Glenn obliterates defenders on the run"

KFFL

"Powerful - has a few highlight pancake blocks to his resume but does a great job of sealing the defender"

"Quick to the second level"

And btw, cocksucker, that  
Randy in CT : 4/27/2012 11:30 am : link
was my first insult. Try paying attention?
Randy  
cosmicj : 4/27/2012 11:30 am : link
thanks for proving my point. Bye.
The draft isn't over yet for crying out loud  
moespree : 4/27/2012 11:30 am : link
It was 1 freaking round.

If they don't draft any OL at all today or tomorrow, then okay outrage is fine. But there is no way to tell what they will do or how good the people they pick will be.

How do any of us know that say the Giants pick an OL today that he won't wind up the best OL in the whole draft? I mean let's let the draft play out and see what kind of players the draftees are before we all go crazy.
Randy  
frets : 4/27/2012 11:31 am : link
that's two.....
going crazy  
Dylan fan : 4/27/2012 11:34 am : link
But going crazy sooner is so much more fun than going crazy later, or so I'm told.
cosmic, see ya!  
Randy in CT : 4/27/2012 11:34 am : link
frets, fine--two!
NGD...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/27/2012 11:40 am : link
Obviously Glenn isn't dogshit, but his strength isn't in the run. Since we are putting up write-ups:

PFW:
Quote:
Negatives:
Struggles to unlock his hips (even more glaring in Combine drills) and adjust to quicker blockers who can get underneath his pads (see Boise State). Tends to play tall and does not use the power and explosion in his body. Lacks lower-body strength. Will coast on his natural talent and play down to the level of competition. Has a soft temperament and does not play with a lot of urgency or breathe fire. Is a naïve follower and lacks great work habits — not a self-starter. Weight has tended to fluctuate and balloon (though he was asked to bulk up as a senior).


TSN:
Quote:

Weaknesses:
• Not particularly aggressive and lacks a nasty demeanor
• Tendency for pads to get high and will lose leverage
• Does not often get a significant push in the run game
• Could struggle to protect edge against speed in pros
• Not a polished technician, relying too much on talent
• Questionable work ethic with some conditioning issues


DrafTek (a more balanced assessment):
Quote:
Glenn utilizes his size and strength as a drive blocker in the running game, as long as he stays with his fundamentals and not play too high or being late off the snap. Although he can miss with his initial punch and fail to push back his target, he sometimes shows good hand placement and the leg drive to clear a hole. Glenn gets to the second level with good quickness, demonstrating ability to adjust his path to locate and attack his target. Exhibits quickness and fluidity when pulling from left guard to lead on the toss and counter.

Compares to (Current NFL Player): Mike Iupati

Weaknesses
- Struggles with speed rushers, may be relegated to ROT or OG at next level - Can get lazy with technique, as he overpowers college competition - Needs to improve hand placement after initial punch - Inconsistent on initial drive off the ball (quickness)

The Wilson pick  
81_Great_Dane : 4/27/2012 11:49 am : link
suggests the Giants felt their backs were a significant part of the problem in the run game. Wilson doesn't need a huge hole to run through. I'm sure they'll address the line, too, but it looks like they felt they needed an upgrade in the backfield.

They also haven't had a home run hitter in the backfield for a long time. Bradshaw hasn't been that breakaway threat since his feet started to give him trouble. At his best Jacobs was good for 30-45 yard runs a couple of times a game, which is fantastic, but he was never a threat to go the distance from everywhere on the field.

Said this last night, but one more thing about Wilson: He's very young; not turning 21 until June. He's should have a very high ceiling, and he shouldn't be close to it yet. He's probably still not fully mature physically, and if it takes a year for him to learn to be a reliable pass blocker, then next year he'll still be younger than most of the guys in the draft.

Plus his flaws -- ball security, blocking -- are exactly the thing the Giants under Coughlin have excelled at fixing.

He wasn't on my radar, but I like the pick.

This was also a pick with an eye on  
mfsd : 4/27/2012 11:54 am : link
who becomes the #1 back when Bradshaw has to hang em up. Love me some AB, but with his feet, how many prime years does he have left?
All fair points great dane  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 11:59 am : link
And truthfully I was just trying to spark a debate, thinking about it last night and this morning. I was legitimately torn between who I would have preferred but arrived on Glenn for no other reason than Eli should be the #1 priority and IMO Glenn is a better pick for Eli with Wilson and Glenn being of comparable value.

It's hard you hear the Giants "talk up" players all the time, they talked up Scott and have been talking up Ware for years so I wanted to see them get a chance. Ware has shown promise in bursts. We are lucky to have Reese and Co. but ironically I think they were going for the sexier move here, i'm obviously not pulling for Glenn over Wilson at this point just thought it was an interesting debate that I leaned slightly towards Glenn on.
Eric, was Wilson one of Reese's top 15?  
Bama Bish : 4/27/2012 12:02 pm : link
just wondering how high they had him on their board.
Read the tweet from Greg Cosell...  
PEEJ : 4/27/2012 12:02 pm : link
"Every coach I've talked to says the RB makes the OL, not the OL making the back"

Interesting thought.
LOL!  
mdthedream : 4/27/2012 12:03 pm : link
Ever thing he does change the game because we are a pass first team? He is great for draws and screens plus he is very fast if you put him out wide. Tell me a guy like sproles would not help this offense. We have more picks and will address other issues. If Bradshaw gets hurt we do not have a starting RB.
Agree with frets and others  
CT Charlie : 4/27/2012 12:05 pm : link
Clearly we need to replace Reese, Coughlin, and Ross because they picked Wilson ahead of Glenn.
The only offensive lineman to me worth selecting in the first  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2012 12:08 pm : link
was DeCastro. Once he went top 15 there was no chance they were going OL.

DeCastro fits the Giants like a glove.
Another reason  
Phil from WNY : 4/27/2012 12:13 pm : link
Wilson makes sense is that the Giants are going to have a lot of players to re-sign in a year or two and AB could become a cap casualty if Wilson proves to be worth it.
TTH  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 12:13 pm : link
no need to speak in absolutes like that. The 32nd pick is practically a 2nd rounder. I doubt Glenn makes it far into the 2nd round.

That's like saying "the only first round RBs were Richardson and Martin" if we went Glenn. Both Glenn and Wilson were good value where we picked.
Sometimes  
PaulN : 4/27/2012 12:16 pm : link
Its a combination of things, I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEM LAST SEASON WITH THE olINE WAS CONTINUITY, i THINK SOME OF IT WAS ERODING TALENT (LIKE mAC) I believe some of it was injuries, and some of it was no offseason training, but most of it was poor running backs. Jacobs was pretty bad, and Bradshaw just has not been healthy, Scott did not contribute, and there is no telling if he will be anything at all in the NFL. This is going to be a very exciting player, nobody will complain if he is catching passes out of the backfield and breaking a play or two. He could also be a very good kick returner. i am just looking forward to seeing him and Jernigan on the field at the same time, because I think Jernigan is going to be a big contributor next season. He was flashing toward the end, and the staff and players have a lot of confidence in him. With him and Wilson on the field, its going to be fun. We are going to be a very explosive offense.
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David in LA : 4/27/2012 12:17 pm : link
Glenn seems to be a poor "system fit" for us. I think it's great to see us add a dimension to our offense that isn't yet there with Wilson's breakaway speed.
I mean DeCastro would've been worth actually trading up for.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2012 12:18 pm : link
I'm not sold that Glenn and Wilson are similar in grade. The Giants were thrilled to get Wilson where they did. That means something.
WISON  
PaulN : 4/27/2012 12:21 pm : link
Was not one of Reese's top 15. Not at all. He addressed that, he also said that there were a few players at the time the Giants drafted that were all very closely rated, but with the need it was an wasy pick, he was on MSG last night at about 11 PM. It was a 1 hour special. Coughlin looked thrilled, he loves the kids character and work ethic. He also loves his big play ability. I think we are all going to love this guy. There is only 1 position that is more exciting to add, and that is QB. A new big time running back is going to be very exciting to see.
At  
AnishPatel : 4/27/2012 12:21 pm : link
the end of the day, we stuck to our board like always and i respect our FO just for that.
.  
LT4LIFE : 4/27/2012 12:22 pm : link
Because nobody knows the NFL draft better than BBI.
LT  
PaulN : 4/27/2012 12:27 pm : link
I never claim to know much about the draft, I have opinions, but i am no different then any smuck here. But i will say that I really trust Reese, especially with his first round picks, he just does not miss on them. The last time we had the last pick in the draft was Kenny Philips, and he would have been a big hit if not for the injuries, but he has been our worst first round pick since Reese took over. He has been great.
Anyone  
mdthedream : 4/27/2012 12:32 pm : link
ever think that part of the problem was Bradshaw was playing with maybe 3/4 of his speed and Jacobs is just a straight runner with lots of hits on him? He is clearly not the same back he was.
I've warmed up to this pick really, really fast  
islander1 : 4/27/2012 12:45 pm : link
factoring in Jacobs relative ineffectiveness and Bradshaw's constant injuries.

Plus, the guy climbed up the side of an arena. What a freak. Good characetr as well, always important to the franchise.
we have gotten by  
djm : 4/27/2012 12:48 pm : link
with hard working but not as talented backs the last few years. It was time to devote some resources to the position. Loved Jacobs. Love Bradshaw but the position needed an upgrade, desperately.
md, yep.  
Randy in CT : 4/27/2012 12:51 pm : link
Love the Jacobs but it was time to part ways. And AB is a warrior out there as he plays massively dinged a lot of the time.

If we're talking NEED pick (which we are not--at least not in a vacuum) we needed an infusion of talent at a talent position.

There's a lot of O Linemen left and we have no idea how the Giants have them ranked. Tonight will tell us a lot about how the Giants are approaching this coming year and where they feel we have some shortcomings.
Our running game got a lot better down the stretch  
mfsd : 4/27/2012 12:52 pm : link
once AB and Baas got reasonably healthy
Where we lack on the O-line  
Canton : 4/27/2012 12:58 pm : link
Wilson makes up with his speed and agility to hit that hole. The guy makes people miss and he is magical at times with his body control to stay up and keep churning up yards.

I believe he improves our run game exponentially, then a run blocking guard would, if we stayed the course with our current stable of backs.
How about this as a basic premise -- rookies don't help much  
Lawyer in NYC : 4/27/2012 12:59 pm : link
If you accept that, a ton of arguments boil away into steam. No rookie O-lineman available at our pick was likely to displace a starter, or even become a primary backup. Petrus, Brewer, and Beatty are all guys that the coaching staff actually like, so your theory that some guy that 31 teams viewed also passed on is going to displace one of them is pretty flimsy.

The same is true at any position, but historically rookie RBs can make big contributions, even in limited snaps. This guy might help next year, and he might be a long term feature back. If the Giants loved him, but had doubts about the OL prospects, it makes sense to pick the guy you love and wait until later to choose among the guys you have questions about.

The Giants drafted Osi, Tuck, and Webster in the second round. Those guys were there for a reason, in that NFL teams had doubts about them for varying reasons. This pick doesn't mean we won't add talented linemen later.
Bottom line..  
Canton : 4/27/2012 12:59 pm : link
BPA available and a need, all gift wrapped in one tidy little package..
I would have drafted Mike Adams and moved him to RT  
GeofromNJ : 4/27/2012 1:07 pm : link
Adams is huge, yet agile, and doesn't look his weight. I have no problem with his pot issues. Like Reese has said with respect to others in the past, I chalk it up to immaturity. Adams is a good kid and he's not dumb. As others have said, the running game last year was more the result of the offensive line (and the loss of Boss). McKenzie was essentially finished and Snee was hurt a good part of the year. I know Ballard did a nice job blocking, but he was not as good as Boss. Jacobs' decline over the last few years can be traced to McKenzie aging rather than Jacobs aging. I sincerely hope Reese addresses RT during day 2.
Lawyer I would say 1st and early 2nd round guards  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 1:15 pm : link
have the highest success rate / starting of any position. In fact I struggle to think of the last Guard picked in the first 45 picks that did not immediately start.
Glenn  
stretch234 : 4/27/2012 1:21 pm : link
I have seen what Boothe did in the playoffs - he played very well against Raji & Wilfork who are pro bowl players. What exactly has Glenn done in college to suddenly say we would draft him and he would immediately start. It is complete nonsense.

Yes Nicks is 345 - he was also drafted in the 5th round. Their other pro bowl G was a 4th round draft pick.
Geo  
frets : 4/27/2012 1:35 pm : link
Don't quit your day job. I'd like Adams in the 2nd or 3rd, but if you think he is a better prospect for our team than David Wilson I am glad you are not drafting for the Giants
unless glenn can play RB when bradshaw's injured  
snablats : 4/27/2012 1:51 pm : link
it was clear that wilson was the better choice

obviously the giants are worried about bradshaw's feet/ankle injuries, and no amount of new offensive lineman is going to make ware a more effective runner than wilson
When 32 came UP  
snumber6 : 4/27/2012 2:09 pm : link
I felt we would pick Glenn ... besides fulfilling a prediction that an OL rated in the early 20s would fall to us ... I felt he is a versatile stud OL where we need some help ... I'm not sold on Brewer ... but I don't exactly watch him practice every day ...
They picked an RB ... and although initially disappointed felt it was a need but not one as glaring as OL help ...
The more I look at Wilson the more I got feelings back when Spiller was drafted ... and I felt he brought some severely lacking and needed talents to our offense ... since then we've overcome that without a Spiller ... but now with Wilson ... the thought of a similar playmaker ... breaking a long run ... or catching a pass in space and in stride ... would give Eli a weapon he's not had since Tiki ... and that playmaking is dangerous ...

So although in agreement to the title of this thread for maybe 10 minutes last night ... I'll change it to
I really liked Glenn ... but I'm extremely happy we went with Wilson ...

Any amateur that thinks they know better who the NY Giants.....  
Torrag : 4/27/2012 2:26 pm : link
...should be drafting needs a reality check. You know nothing compared to a team of professioanl football evaluators. Height of hubris and conceit. Get a grip on yourself.
Torrag  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 3:11 pm : link
you are an idiot if you don't at least think its a debatable topic. Either could have durability problems in the NFL, Wilson could struggle with fumbling or pass protection to the point where he can't get on the field a ton, Glenn could struggle with quick DTs or become a perennial pro bowler as could Wilson.

Know the difference between if the Giants picked 10 guys and I picked 10 guys they would succeed at a higher clip than me and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO EVER QUESTION ANYTHING THE GIANTS DO EVER.

Get off your high horse. Hubris? What a joke. You are really going to break out hubris by definition if someone questions a pick?

I learned the word hubris for the first time in reference to Odysseus blinding the cyclops and laughing at him while sailing away. Wow, amazing how similar that sounds to trying to spark a debate about a legitimately debatable topic. Oh wait, it's not debatable, the Giants won 2 super bowls in 5 years so that means they are omnipresent.
considering bradshaw's feet/ankles  
snablats : 4/27/2012 3:16 pm : link
clearly it wasnt a debate

when bradshaw has to take his few games off, as he does every year, who was going to run the ball? ware and scott?

we are already minus manningham and jacobs - needed a weapon, and wilson is a weapon
I have more confidence in Ware  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 3:18 pm : link
than I do in Brewer and Ware isn't playing nearly as direct a role in the success/health of our most important asset.
didnt the giants pick up a free agent right tackle  
snablats : 4/27/2012 3:21 pm : link
?
No  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 3:25 pm : link
.
NGD  
Torrag : 4/27/2012 3:26 pm : link
I wasn't specifically speaking about you with my post. As has been recently noted here on BBI...anyone that calls someone else an idiot is an idiot. It's also one thing to discuss alternatives vs stating...'we should have done this or that'. Noone said the Giants are omnipotent but they clearly know more about football and their team than you, I or anyone on BBI.
Giants added Sean Locklear a very experienced RT  
Torrag : 4/27/2012 3:28 pm : link
...
yes they did  
snablats : 4/27/2012 3:29 pm : link
sean locklear, who played for 8 years in seattle, starting most games...was a 3rd rounder in 2004
I stand corrected  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 3:33 pm : link
. Still behind Brewer on the depth chart but I still have no reason to believe that he would be any better of a replacement than Ware.

Torrag, your points are taken but wasn't I right to call you an idiot then, since you called others idiots? haha.

Also, hubris is pretty aggressive, pretty aggressive indeed.
Yes,  
shepherdsam : 4/27/2012 3:54 pm : link
Sean Locklear.
A little heavy on the herb today shep  
NoGainDayne : 4/27/2012 4:04 pm : link
?
Well sure,  
shepherdsam : 4/27/2012 4:10 pm : link
but that little bit of wtf probably had more to do with my not refreshing the page after getting back to the PC and picking up where I left off.

blah blah  
Howyadoin : 4/27/2012 5:03 pm : link
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