Don't get me wrong Wilson would have been at the top of my short list after Glenn, I really like him but the fact of the matter is you can always get RBs later and the position of starter is filled already by Bradshaw.
Our run blocking was bad last year, plain and simple. We lost our 2nd best run blocker to boot and it's not as if Glenn wasn't a good value at our spot, he was. A 4 year starter in the SEC and a guy that steps in and really helps us with a weakness. Not to mention Beatty is charged with protecting by far our most valuable asset and he has proven to be inconsistent in various ways. Having a guy that could start or move to RT letting DD move to LT if needed would be prudent. I know the staff is high on Brewer but Glenn is an elite OL talent and the last one available in this draft.
The bottom line is this is all about Eli, Eli thrives off the play action and nobody was respecting our play action game last year. Sure, we can get a guard in later rounds, but not one that you can say, hey, this guy is going to come in start from day 1 and really help our run game.
IMO the Wilson pick is even mitigated by the fact that we have not addressed the problems with our run blocking. We've been letting our OL age and it's the lifeblood of any offense, I hope it doesn't catch up with us.
Well... then lets make sure we can protect him. We need way more depth and TALENT in the O-Line so we can at least make a hole for the RB.
I admit Wilson looks good after watching the video on him and I'm fine with the pick but really wished we would have addressed the O-Line first.
I agree that it's all about protecting Eli and I hope we draft a guard one of these next couple rounds, but I think getting a RB who actually has plus speed will help a lot. How many times did we see Jacobs get tripped up after 7 yards when he could've easily gone 30 yards? It happened so often seemingly atleast once a game. Jacobs turned a lot of 3 yard runs into 7 yard runs during his time with us, but he also turned a lot of 20 yard runs into 7 yard runs. Wilson won't be getting tripped up from behind as easily and that changes the teams offensive chemistry a lot.
BB56. Guards just fall, but only to a certain point. I mean you read the scouting reports on Snee (34th) pick and they sound similar to Glenn. Even a guy like Mankins @ 32 didn't have the scouting report that Glenn did. Guard is definitely more of a luxury especially because you can get starters in the mid rounds, teams with needs at "sexier" positions always try to fill those first.
Or a potential dominant left guard?
People will have their opinions on both
but I'd have to go with taking a future guard who you can win with inside for the next 15 years. I'm happy with Wilson though, either would've been fine with me
We'll get line help tonight.
And if you did keep him at OT, he is a RT only. Would a 1st round pick on a RT only prospect be smart when RT prospects usually go lower in the draft?
I like Wilson and I like Glenn but I'm going to trust Reese here. And this is coming from a guy who thinks that maybe they should have went with Stephen Hill.
But to use that for a basis for not questioning any moves ever is ridiculous. Should we just rule out all dissenting opinions and make everyone pledge allegiance to the Reese?
Trust the process. Beatty is fine at LT. Someone capable will emerge at RT. The interior is fine. Boothe, Snee and Baas are as solid as we can hope for. Petrus pushing them and maybe we grab someone today that helps out.
Speed kills. - ( New Window )
so to me if you invest a 1st round pick in an RB you believe him to be a special talent. I hope wilson is just that. but if he's not than this was a bad pick.
i like our GM i like our team i'm not bashing the pick or the player. i personally don't agree with talking RB's in round 1 unless they are a special talent.
There are 6-7 draft picks remaining. Positions you desired last night will be drafted tonight and tomorrow. The Giants have nailed many draft picks in rds 2 and beyond. Trust the process.
I like that Reese prefers to draft play makers in the 1-2 rounds. He goes after the mudders later on. It's a process that works.
That alone could be enough to pass on a guy at 32.
dont understand the need to completely diminish his value and downplay his talents. we all knew if we picked him you guys would be gushing over him
Oh, no. YOU shouldn't consider that you're dead wrong and ignorant of most of the data that the team has access to.
Please proceed in educating us and the Giants organization?
We will take a guy in the mid rounds and add a body or 2 as an UDFA. We won't reach on an OL.
Besides, this would be moot if our run blocking hadn't already proved to be underwhelming. It's been falling off the cliff the last couple of years and KM was our 2nd best run blocker, even on the decline.
We obviously thought Wilson was a cut above any other RB that might be available later...and we wanted a RB
If we don't take an O-Lineman in Rd 1, it could be b/c we see others of reasonably comparable value available later on
Just my opinion
Reese and the Giants organization are smarter, more well informed, and know tons more about football than I do.
All that being said, am I allowed to present a logical thought out point even if my capacity to make cogent points pales in comparison to that of Reese and the other gods of our lands?
Simply put, its fine and dandy that we got a stud at RB. I know that we needed help there.
But without an O-line that will open up holes for them, I don't see what the point is.
Glenn was better at being a wall keeping people out than he was a guy who opened up holes. His main weakness is that he doesn't use his strength to push forward with power and he lacks lower body strength.
That isn't a roadgrader or a mauler. It is a large guy who can stop people from getting to the QB, but who will have to learn the more significant skills needed at the pro level.
Two, he is 350 pounds. The giants like OL that can pull, get out in space and block. He has trouble pulling.
So, you think he is a good prospect and we should have drafted him and that is fine because it is your opinion but you have to ask yourself how he fits into the Giants system and I don't think it is a match.
I would never advocate a desperate win now approach but Glenn isn't that. He makes us better now and on an ongoing basis.
Wilson 90 yard KOR - ( New Window )
He'd be fine as a pass blocker, perhaps, but the biggest knocks on him are based on his lack of push and ability to open space. Wouldn't that be a key for a run-blocker?
I said you aren't getting a road grader at the end of round 2, i'm not saying Cordy Glenn definitely is one. He very well could be at 6-6 345 and as I said we aren't getting someone with that potential at the end of round 2.
McCoy
Jones Drew
Foster
Gore
Steven Jackson
Lynch
Turner
DeAngelo Williams
Forte
Peterson
Fred Jackson
Ben Tate
Rice
Mendenhall
Chris Johnson
McFadden
Charles
Ryan Matthews
I may have missed a couple but out of that list, ONE GUY, Arian Foster went undrafted. ONE. The rest? All drafted in rds 1-3. Most in Rds 1-2.
Please. Stop with this horse crap myth perpetuated the last few years around here that RBs are a dime a dozen and can be found in any round. It's nothing but 100% bullshit.
Oh, here is a list of TEs that were NOT drafted in rd 1.
Gronkowski
Bavaro
Hernandez
Graham
Daniels
Witten
Fred Davis
Gates
Finley
And many many more...
Here is a list of OLINEMEN that were NOT drafted in RD-1:
Chris Snee
Brad Benson
Jumbo Elliot
Doug Riesenberg
David Diehl
David Baas
Kareem McKenzie
Bart Oates
Billy Ard
Chris Godfrey
Shawn Ohara
Might as well wait to draft the TE and OL. After all, we can always find those guys later in the draft.