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According to TMZ Junior Seau involved in shooting

TheMcThrill : 5/2/2012 2:08 pm
rumor has it he is deceased

my fiance told me about the story on TMZ
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Seau played way too long. He should have retired with chargers  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/2/2012 3:36 pm : link
he left behind 3 children. This is sad.
halfback20 : 5/2/2012 3:37 pm : link
wonder why anyone still wears the old ones? This is the NFL, they can afford the new helmets for everyone. My only guess is they prefer the old ones.
Banks : 5/2/2012 3:37 pm : link
just hearing this now. I loved Seau. RIP :(
Read a tweet saying  
BigBlue2112 : 5/2/2012 3:38 pm : link
Seau asked in his suicide letter that his brain be researched to prevent tragic incidents from happening to NFL retirees #champion
A lot of players don't wear Riddell helmets anymore.  
Geomon : 5/2/2012 3:38 pm : link
I know few on our team do.
This is incredibly sad  
Adam XLII : 5/2/2012 3:39 pm : link
and should be a watershed moment for the league and players alike
We make fun of Eli's new goofy ass helmet  
Adam XLII : 5/2/2012 3:39 pm : link
but that thing is protecting his noggin much better than his old helmet
Watching ESPN  
Adam XLII : 5/2/2012 3:44 pm : link
just heartbreaking. Suicide is devastating
From what I know about concussions, which isn't a lot  
bois : 5/2/2012 3:45 pm : link
I feel like helmets aren't the solution. These guys aren't getting skull fractures or anything, the helmets work, but they can't stop the sudden change of direction that moves the brain around inside the skull. You could wear the greatest helmet on earth, but as long as you're changing direction forcefully/suddenly, your brain has the potential to move and impact the inside of the skull, causing a concussion.

I've said this before, and maybe it won't help, and it's certainly a pipedream/will never happen, but they should think about putting weight limits in the game. Make these players smaller. Mandate it. Smaller, slower, less muscle, less forceful impact.

I also think the changes in the passing game - restrictions on checking receivers at the line, or clutching/grabbing receivers, is a problem too. These guys are FLYING down the field or across the field, and when they make a catch and get smoked by a defensive player, the impact is that much more violent.

Smaller players, slower players, maybe even reduced padding to make these guys less inclined to go for the kill.

You only need 300 pound lineman because the other team has 300 pound lineman. 250-275 pound players could do all the same things if their counterparts were the same size.

I don't know, I think the sport has major changes coming. Just thinking of changes that wouldn't turn it into flag football, but could also help long term problems. Smaller players would reduce stress on the heart, reduce impact, reduce PED use, etc.
Most of us are not aware that playing in the NFL  
FatHeadTommy : 5/2/2012 3:46 pm : link
actually results in a lower life expectancy. I think I read five years lower than average.
The Traditional Helmet is still worn  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/2/2012 3:46 pm : link
By a tom of players in the league. That article came out last summer and I thought for sure that TE league was going to switch all helmets over especially now that there I statistical evidence that the traditional helmets are baby doing what they should.
I agree the helmets aren't going to do anything  
lalalalala : 5/2/2012 3:48 pm : link

if you play organized football for 20 years at a high level, lessening the totality of the abuse by x% isn't going to do anything other than slightly reduce the problem.

bottom line is these guys need to go away. I don't know if they should be baselining every single player in the league, but when people start showing the signs of this, they need to go away. if you start losing people quickly, that would probably be the best motivation to make changes, and from the player perspective to MAKE them make changes.

basically, if you're 35 years old  
lalalalala : 5/2/2012 3:49 pm : link

and not a punter, QB or kicker, you're doing something wrong.
Did they really  
Big Al : 5/2/2012 3:51 pm : link
just need to put on his hysterical crying mother? The news networks have no shame.
Beez : 5/2/2012 3:52 pm : link
This is so tragic  
MadPlaid : 5/2/2012 3:53 pm : link
I remember how excellent a player he was. RIP
Harry Carson has spoken about his own experiences  
SwirlingEddie : 5/2/2012 3:58 pm : link
with concussions, depression and thoughts of suicide:

NFL Hall of Famer and former NY Giants Linebacker Harry Carson was the special guest speaker at Thursday’s annual Head Injury Association forum on Long Island and for good reason. Carson shared more personal revelations about his struggles with post concussion syndrome, revealing that at one time he was so depressed that he considered suicide. “The depression got so bad that when I would drive over the Tappan Zee Bridge, I would think ‘let me just drive off the bridge!”

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That's now 8 players dead  
ChathamMark : 5/2/2012 3:59 pm : link
from the Chargers 1994 Super Bowl team. Weird.
I hope this doesn't turn into a lyle alzado thing.  
madgiantscow009 : 5/2/2012 4:06 pm : link
Where he blamed steroids for his brain cancer when steroids didn't cause his brain cancer (lyle, not seau). There are tons of people who commit suicide every day, much more than many people realize. With Junior's letter he needs an explanation to why he did what he did.

I am not saying football didn't contribute or cause anything, I just hope we don't jump to conclusions on the matter without scientific proof. I am glad he requested his brain be researched, since many suicides won't get a full autopsy.
if you want a good explanation for why guys do this  
lalalalala : 5/2/2012 4:14 pm : link

go read about Mike Richter's story about PCS. and keep in mind that being a hockey goalie, his experiences are probably exponentially better than what happens to a seriously tenured football player.
Man Marcellus Wiley falling apart  
Adam XLII : 5/2/2012 4:15 pm : link
on the air :-(
Please no one acknowledge the post  
Adam XLII : 5/2/2012 4:16 pm : link
above mine.

Ignorance and backwards views about suicide are too disheartening to argue with.
whoever was above Adam  
lalalalala : 5/2/2012 4:17 pm : link

is a fucking moron.
Giantology : 5/2/2012 4:17 pm : link
Saying what Michael Vick did was a "mistake" implies that he messed up. He killed/tortured dogs, multiple times. The only "mistake" he made was getting caught
That guy is a fucking moron  
kelsto811 : 5/2/2012 4:18 pm : link
and doesn't even warrant a response from anyone here. The only thing I will say is that I hope this guy suffers multiple concussions at one point in his life
These boards need better moderation to delete some garbage being  
Ace718 : 5/2/2012 4:18 pm : link
holy shit  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2012 4:18 pm : link
With as many horrible, poorly reasoned, stupid and insane posts as I've read here, that might actually be the worst. Congratulations!
Please everyone jsut heed my advice  
Adam XLII : 5/2/2012 4:19 pm : link
and ignore that.

It's not worth our time, he doesn't deserve our thoughts.
Mr. Saturday Worthless Useless Idiot.  
manh george : 5/2/2012 4:24 pm : link
You do understand that CTE is a severe brain disease, two of the symptoms of which are severe depression and a very sharp increase in suicidal tendencies, right?

Are you really stupid enough to think of this as a lifestyle choice?

I bet you think of "The Gay" as a lifestyle choice, too, huh?

BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2012 4:25 pm : link
Given his registration date, I believe that's a dupe trying to rile people up.
Sparing the rest of us Mr. Saturday Night's moronic post  
BoldRuler : 5/2/2012 4:26 pm : link
Sorry gang.
MrSaturdayNightSpecial : 5/2/2012 4:26 pm : link
He had 3 kids and a family to raise and support but he killed himself!

That is called being SELFISH!!!!

I dont care what kind of problems you have in life. Everyone has issues point blank. So dont tell me I need to feel sorry for Seau because he committed suicide.

Self inflicted DEATH doesnt give you a pass.
Bold, can you spare us him, period  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2012 4:27 pm : link
Swing that banhammer of the gods!
Saturday Night Special  
kelsto811 : 5/2/2012 4:27 pm : link
I recommend you read Manh's post and then go fuck yourself.
How is Vick still treated like a criminal?  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/2/2012 4:27 pm : link
He's a starting QB in the NFL making millions of dollars. Boo fucking hoo. And you know what, he IS a fucking criminal and he has no one to blame but himself.
kelsto811 : 5/2/2012 4:28 pm : link
Always enjoy your posts because they have truth to them. This guy clearly has the comprehension level of a child and probably can't even understand what you are saying
I normally don't feel bad  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2012 4:28 pm : link
for a person who commits suicide, but its pretty much indisputable to suggest that concussions played no part.

Let the man rest in peace, bashing him is disgusting.
Ban hammer enforced  
BoldRuler : 5/2/2012 4:30 pm : link
Troll spray deployed.
Terribly sad...  
Torrag : 5/2/2012 4:30 pm : link
...Seau was a good guy. Awful set of circumstance that he felt this was his only option. Condolences to his family and friends. RIP Jr.
Rick in Annapolis : 5/2/2012 4:31 pm : link
We all realize suicide is a selfish act. It doesnt mean that one can't feel sadness that an individual was so depressed they felt suicide was the only way. It also doesn't make the loss of the individual any less significant.

Go troll elsewhere.
Account suspended.  
manh george : 5/2/2012 4:33 pm : link
Buh Buh.
the thing people miss  
lalalalala : 5/2/2012 4:35 pm : link

it's not a suicide in the truest sense. what you're dealing with is a disease. 30-40 year old people with damaged, withered brains of elderly people. it's an unnatural form of dementia.

and the way these are being carried out is creepy.
My thoughts on football related head injuries  
steve in ky : 5/2/2012 4:41 pm : link
I have watched football weekly for well over forty years. IMO the evolution of better helmets and face guards has seem to have the opposite effect and only worsen the problem. Defenders now appear to feel so "protected" they use their helmet as a weapon and launch themselves into the opposition. years ago players were taught tackling technique and you would wrap up and use your shoulder (think old fashion tackling dummy). Players now mostly just lead with their helmets (heads).

I don't know if it would work, but it seems like if they would reduced the face mask to a minimum, it might make a player think twice about leading with his head as often as he now does and go back to using the padded shoulder. I guarantee it they all would be given an old leather helmet you would see a different approach to tackling on the field (not suggesting this literally)
during the 2007 superbowl  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/2/2012 4:42 pm : link
i remember a group of NE lb's were laughing it up piror to Eli's 4th qtr drive. Junior played so long in the NFL, it was bittersweet he did not win the SB. He was one great LB and deserves to be in the HOF.
It was bittersweet when the Giants beat the Pats..  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/2/2012 4:45 pm : link
Lets not get too crazy here.
This disease had the power to make him forget about his  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/2/2012 4:47 pm : link
family and take his own life. That is a horrifying illness i wish on nobody. really sad for his family. The saturday night poster is a complete idiot for those comments.
Very sad.  
58Burst : 5/2/2012 4:56 pm : link
Condolences to his family and friends.
Seau did not leave a note, according to NY Times  
bois : 5/2/2012 4:58 pm : link
Based on what local police told them. It was reported earlier that he left a note similar to Duerson's.
AnnapolisMike : 5/2/2012 5:01 pm : link
He was fun to watch. Truly a sad day for the NFL. It may also be a watershed day for safety in football.
That is just awful.  
NyquistX3 : 5/2/2012 5:18 pm : link
I admire him for wanting his brain to be researched to potentially save this from happening to others.
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