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Ballard claimed by Pats

Josh in the City : 6/12/2012 4:55 pm
wow...
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@MikeGarafolo: Per Jake Ballard's agent @the_ifa, he's been claimed by the Patriots. As I tweet that, I notice he's left the building. #nyg
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He'll be an RFA after this season  
jcn56 : 6/12/2012 5:05 pm : link
Which means they could give him a high tender (which is still a reasonable price) and keep him around for a season, unless someone is willing to part with a pick.

Not that I think it does anything to help NE (they have two solid receiving TEs) or to hurt us (he couldn't play this season anyway), but there may be some long term strategy at play here.

Or, it could just be a petty loser move. If that's the case, I'd rather have the Lombardi (sorry Jake!).
If he's  
Josh in the City : 6/12/2012 5:05 pm : link
really a restricted free agent next season (as Ralph said in an earlier tweet) then there is little doubt that the Pats are doing it for his rights and yes, to stick it to the Giants. I just don't see any other logical reason they would make this move.
If you can't beat 'em  
Headhunter : 6/12/2012 5:05 pm : link
take their players
I guess this answers the question  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2012 5:05 pm : link
about why not just put Ballard on IR yesterday instead of waiving/injured him.

If Reese and the Giants were that concerned he would have probably gone straight to IR.

I believe he was an RFA this year (or maybe ERFA), so is he a UFA next year? If so, this is even more perplexing.

why would he sign with the pats long-term  
Peter from CT : 6/12/2012 5:05 pm : link
they have two TEs ahead of him on the depth chart....
I don't understand the requirement  
Bill in Springfield : 6/12/2012 5:06 pm : link
you have to waive a player to IR him.
There's a rule...  
eagles nut : 6/12/2012 5:06 pm : link
that if a player spends the entire season on PUP/reserve that they don't accrue a year of service towards restricted or unrestricted free agency. It happened with the Eagles and Victor Abiamiri. So, Ballard may not be a RFA after this season. I'll look up the details.
Belichick and TC as well as the Giants organization  
Big Blue '56 : 6/12/2012 5:07 pm : link
are close and always will be. They'd be the last team BB would want to stick it to..That's plain silly, imo
$540,000  
Joey in VA : 6/12/2012 5:07 pm : link
Is a paltry sum to pay for the keys to the Giants offense that has stymied the Hoodie to the tune of two super bowl losses. Belichick is an information junkie, there is not one subatomic particle of me that doesn't think he's doing this for one reason only....to figure out why he can't devise a defense to stop Eli Manning.

Jake is being paid a half a mill to spill his guts now. If he sits around a few months, all of that knowledge slowly drains away...Bill can tap it out now while it's still fresh and we will be left with one big coconut of a TE.
RFA in '13  
JonC : 6/12/2012 5:07 pm : link
Which means NE could potentially keep him away from us during this window where NYG could play NE in the SB yet again.

Strategic personnel move, it doesn't have to be "a shot" at NYG.
Have to admit, I'm surprised  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/12/2012 5:08 pm : link
Reese wasn't all that concerned with losing Ballard.
He'll be sitting at a metal table with a hanging lightbulb overhead  
Stu : 6/12/2012 5:08 pm : link
being grilled by guys with cigarettes getting him to spill his guys about the Giants offense by 7 tonight.
Why on Earth would the Patriots willingly choose to replace  
Riggies : 6/12/2012 5:08 pm : link
Hernandez with Ballard, especially with Ballard coming off the injuries he will be?

Unless they're going to change their offense again, trading Hernandez will make no sense for them.
Bill  
Joey in VA : 6/12/2012 5:09 pm : link
Is an Art of War guy, he's not out to weaken the enemy, only to strengthen his own position and he can do that by learning the ins and outs of this offense from one its key players who learned it very very quickly.
...  
Josh in the City : 6/12/2012 5:09 pm : link
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for the keys to the Giants offense that has stymied the Hoodie to the tune of two super bowl losses.

In which we scored 17 points and 21 points respectively. Not like out offense lit them up in either game.
Continuing  
eagles nut : 6/12/2012 5:10 pm : link
Under the previous CBA if a player was in the last year of their contract and spent the entire season on PUP without being activated then the last year of his contract would toll over to the next season. I don't know if that has changed under the new CBA.
Reese is probably as concerned about losing potentially damaged  
Big Blue '56 : 6/12/2012 5:10 pm : link
Ballard as he was in losing Smith
It really sort of non-news...  
dee-fense : 6/12/2012 5:10 pm : link
just weird.

Pope finds or makes a Ballard or two every damn year. Next.
Can't record opponents practicing anymore  
BigBluePrestige : 6/12/2012 5:10 pm : link
and the Giants have beaten his team twice in the Super Bowl. Next best option for Bill.
I would say Fuck the Pats,  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 6/12/2012 5:10 pm : link
but the Giants have been fucking them sideways for almost 5 years now.
Question  
Josh in the City : 6/12/2012 5:11 pm : link
about how this affects our cap this year. Being that he was claimed, does that mean Ballard doesn't count against the Giants 2012 salary cap?
Wonder how much that is then  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/12/2012 5:11 pm : link
considering the Giants never got a shot to match that contract.
I am tired  
AnishPatel : 6/12/2012 5:11 pm : link
of that turnover at the position. For fuck sake, draft someone and develop them. If that means paying then do it. It's like a revolving door there.
I don't know Joey  
jcn56 : 6/12/2012 5:11 pm : link
I don't know the Pats' cap status, but 540k to throw into the hole doesn't seem like it's worth much just for a chance at a brain drain. It's not as if Billy Boy was as much stymied by the offense as his defense was physically incapable of stopping it.

Just look at all those segments where he's wired for sound - the play was to force Manningham to beat them. They had guys in position to make the play. It took an outstanding play by Eli and Manningham to get it done.

This seems more like BB wanting Ballard around longer term to me the more I think about it. Maybe one of those TEs isn't long for NE (not Gronk obviously).
I will never forget Ballard on the sideline of the Super Bowl  
Headhunter : 6/12/2012 5:12 pm : link
that was the definition to me of "All In". The reality is, Jake wasn't particularly fast before tearing up his knee, he may never be what he was for us. I'm sad to see him go, but this opens the door for someone to step up
Good observation by Eaglesnut,  
dee-fense : 6/12/2012 5:12 pm : link
then just insurance and depth move in addition to Giants info bonus.
Josh  
Joey in VA : 6/12/2012 5:12 pm : link
Did we win those games with game winning long drives engineered by our QB or did the Defensive Genius stop us?

Your eagerness in posting is only outdone by your football stupidity.
oh yeah.. Mets fans suck  
Stu : 6/12/2012 5:12 pm : link
- Dave in Hoboken
Josh  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/12/2012 5:12 pm : link
the salary goes with the player

As to the theory that they did this to stick it to the Giants. You aren't going to take on salary cap dollars to mess with a team that isn't even in your conference. They did it because they want to control the rights to a player that opened eyes with his play last year.
Belichick is one of the greatest defensive masterminds  
Big Blue '56 : 6/12/2012 5:13 pm : link
in NFL history. There wasn't anything he was unprepared for with us. We just simply executed better at key moments. Ballard isn't gonna tell him anything he doesn't already know
Stu, huh?  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/12/2012 5:13 pm : link
.
And BB had two weeks to study every square inch of us  
Big Blue '56 : 6/12/2012 5:14 pm : link
on two occasions
I would hardly call Ballard's brain "the keys to the Giants offense."  
Exit 172 : 6/12/2012 5:14 pm : link
And even if you understand the philosophy and plays (which good film study should help you with already), it doesn't account for Coughlin/Gilbride's game-planning the week before a game, Gilbride's play-calling based on in-game dynamics, and Eli's execution.

They could have told Bill that the sideline pass to Manningham was coming, and Eli and his swingin' set o' brass balls still would have completed it.
This has nothing to do with the Giants  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/12/2012 5:14 pm : link
it isn't so they can spy on us, or know all of our super secrets, or mess with our heads. They wanted the rights to the player.
Joey  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2012 5:15 pm : link
if that's really what Belichick wanted he could have just signed Plaxico and got someone who can help their team on the field.

NE has lengthy history of rehabbing malcontents - this assumes Plaxico knew the playbook.



By all accounts, as much of a fucknut as Plax was  
jcn56 : 6/12/2012 5:16 pm : link
he was supposedly very studious when it came to the playbook.

I think BB did it to fuck with BBI. 'Those numbnuts are never going to understand why I did this. Especially BB'56, this is going to confuse the chai out of him'
And unless the Giants and Pats meet in the Super Bowl again,  
Exit 172 : 6/12/2012 5:17 pm : link
Bill ain't facing Coughlin and Manning again for four years.

I just can't imagine this is a playbook steal.
Dave...  
Stu : 6/12/2012 5:18 pm : link
j/k.. Didn't you get into it with Mets fans?
this is about  
Josh in the City : 6/12/2012 5:19 pm : link
as poor a post as I've ever seen on this site...
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Josh
Joey in VA : 5:12 pm
Did we win those games with game winning long drives engineered by our QB or did the Defensive Genius stop us?

Your eagerness in posting is only outdone by your football stupidity.

Not only do you childishly attack me for no apparent reason whatsoever (aside from the fact that you're either an angry person or plain ridiculous), but you're saying that game winning drives proves an inability to stop another offense. I completely disagree. I don't think Belichick has an issue stopping our offense...in fact I think Belichick's defense was fantastic on both game winning drives.

In 42, we caught a few breaks (Samuels dropping an easy Int), Tyree helmet catch etc. In both, our players were just ridiculously clutch. Eli was out of this world and no defense would have stopped us on those drives. The Pats had the PERFECT cover 2 defense on the long pass to Manningham in 46 but Eli just put it on a dime and Mario made a hell of a catch in traffic and on the sideline.

If you think that it had anything to do with Belichick not being able to figure out our offense, then YOU'RE the one who has shown his "football stupidity."
If BB needs Jake Freekin' Ballard  
Stan from LA : 6/12/2012 5:19 pm : link
To figure out the Giants' offense, BB is in bigger trouble than I thought.
Giants will draft  
bob in tx : 6/12/2012 5:21 pm : link
Mike Williams(Ala),Joe Fauria(UCLA), Stoneburner(Ohio St.) or Pantale(BC) in 3-4th round
yeah  
Les in TO : 6/12/2012 5:21 pm : link
i would buy the competitive intell rationale if ballard was a jet, bill or dolphin but not someone from the nfc east who you would play every three years and less than a 10% chance of meeting in the super bowl.
The Pats  
Bill in Springfield : 6/12/2012 5:23 pm : link
did not sign him to stick it to the Giants, that's ridiculous.
that blows  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/12/2012 5:23 pm : link
He slowed down but the 1st half of the season he was a stud. Made a ton of big plays especially against the Pats the first time.

Boss was faster but Ballard really didnt look like too much of a downgrade. Hopefilly he can make a full recovery and be a starter somewhere.
If BB wantrs the secret to stop the Giants' offense  
Stan from LA : 6/12/2012 5:23 pm : link
I'll give it to him for free:

Rush the QB, cover somebody.

See? That was easy.
Reese must have thought  
old man : 6/12/2012 5:25 pm : link
Ballard had a severe enough injury that he'd go unclaimed; is probably surprised he was.
Question: Could Jake refuse to be CLAIMED?
Here's their logic  
Dubs : 6/12/2012 5:25 pm : link
A) They don't care about him counting toward the 90 man limit
B) They're not paying him much
C) They can tender him at a high level next year and no one will match, so they'll retain his rights
D) He's an ideal No. 2 TE
E) They'll likely trade Hernandez eventually because of their commitment to Gronk and what they can get back for him

It's not all that crazy of a move.
That's not to say this isn't an odd move  
Dubs : 6/12/2012 5:26 pm : link
This--claiming an injured player--almost NEVER happens
Dubs  
Bill in Springfield : 6/12/2012 5:29 pm : link
perhaps you can explain the requirement or benefit of waiving a player prior to IRing him. I'm missing something.
If the Giants  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2012 5:30 pm : link
cared about A - D they would have just IR'd him, not waived him, right?

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