call this wishful thinking, but I hope in 20 years when they do best QBs of the '00s, they'll say "ya, its sort of low, but looking back we had to put Eli in the 2010s"
Archie and Bert Jones behind Kilmer? For those of us who SAW all these guys in the '70's, that's a complete joke! Kilmer wasn't as good as the other QB on the Redskins (Sonny Jurgensen!). Kilmer couldn't even throw the ball right...his passes wobbled all over the place.
Staubach and Tarkington would be over rated (but still top 10 QB's) based on that ranking as well. You have to remember how bad the NFC was between 1970-1979...it was worst than the AFC is now. In particular, the Vikings division was awful, with the Bears, Bucs and the Pack just with awful teams (in Tampa Bay's case, historic awful).
In case you're wondering about Jim Hart...he was the first QB that Don Coryell used in his "Air Coryell" system that he used with the Cardinals in the mid 70's (and later to great success with Fouts and the Chargers in the 80's; Fouts would not be on this list because he started in 1979). Coryell did an amazing job with St. Louis, and that offense was as dynamic as any I've seen until Walsh's 49'ers.
i watched it,those were the rankings,1-10...however,i don't agree with what you stated about hart-one of the pickers mentioned that in the 70's,(and for his career,)he only had 3 seasons in which he threw for more td's than picks-shouldn't be on the list(imho).
Yep, you're right (misread the dates). He wasn't anything special till Coryell came over, though, in 1978 (check out his stats here. Dan was a great QB after that, but I think the 70's list is more for those who had great careers through the 70's.
they had aaron shatz (football outsiders) on the show. he said in whatever metric they normalize QBs to, bert jones had the single best QB season ever and then another top 10 or so one that same decade.
because the Bidwills were too cheap to keep Larry Metcalf (wow, what a shock! That has to be the worst ownership in sports, considering the history of the franchise). Had Don stayed, (and had the Bidwills spent money getting a real Front Office), I think Jim Hart would have had similar success to Fouts. I know for a fact I feared seeing the Hart play in that system against the Giants vs Kilmer (though Kilmer had a much better team and FO).
Unfortunately, he got hurt too much. Colts line was not great and he ran a lot. But he was so good and he had at least one very memorable playoff game.
I agree with Staubach and Tarkenton (not Tarkington) as 1 and 2.
Tarkenton had 3 Super Bowl appearances, was NFC Offensive Player 1975 and retired after the 1978 season with all these records.
1. Most touchdown passes
2. Most passing attpts
3. Most completions
4. most rushing yards
The team also made the playoffs 6 consecutive years. '73-78.
I would have liked Staubach more if he didn't play for the damn Cowboys.
...if his prime hadn't straddled the arbitrary 1980 cut-off. He had seasons in the early '80s where it seemed that the ball literally never touched the ground - before Montana and Young made a completion percentage above 70 seem normal.
Jones is hard to assess, with his three monster years in the mid-70s. His comeback seasons were in the 80s, so they don't count here. He and Anderson illustrate why this kind of list is stupid. The top guys are at the top largely because their best years happen to fit neatly into a particular decade.
Staubach and Tarkington would be over rated (but still top 10 QB's) based on that ranking as well. You have to remember how bad the NFC was between 1970-1979...it was worst than the AFC is now. In particular, the Vikings division was awful, with the Bears, Bucs and the Pack just with awful teams (in Tampa Bay's case, historic awful).
In case you're wondering about Jim Hart...he was the first QB that Don Coryell used in his "Air Coryell" system that he used with the Cardinals in the mid 70's (and later to great success with Fouts and the Chargers in the 80's; Fouts would not be on this list because he started in 1979). Coryell did an amazing job with St. Louis, and that offense was as dynamic as any I've seen until Walsh's 49'ers.
1. Most touchdown passes
2. Most passing attpts
3. Most completions
4. most rushing yards
The team also made the playoffs 6 consecutive years. '73-78.
I would have liked Staubach more if he didn't play for the damn Cowboys.
Jones is hard to assess, with his three monster years in the mid-70s. His comeback seasons were in the 80s, so they don't count here. He and Anderson illustrate why this kind of list is stupid. The top guys are at the top largely because their best years happen to fit neatly into a particular decade.
Or as Frank Zappa used to say, "Art is anything you can get away with."
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