Thanks a ton for that 3-4 look with JPP at ILB and Osi at RDE that left a hole you could have driven John Holmes through with no pain. Brilliant way to use your best edge rusher, on the fucking inside. I'm also pretty happy with how you haven't closed down the zone coverage at all and moved your safeties closer towards the hash marks and 2-3 yards further up the field like a real Cover 2 would, you don't need to study what a shitty team like the Bears do on offense, and certainly you wouldn't want to pattern anything after the Steelers and their rolled up C-2. Be your own man!!!
And Corey Webster being totally flummoxed 9 weeks into the season against the opponents best player? Bravo sir, why on Earth would he want to waste time playing defense when standing still is just as easy and the results are the same? I'm also particularly proud of how wide you allow your worst DL to play outside at RDE, why use gap discipline when Osi can fly upfield 8 yards past the QB and have a nice view of the Cincinnati 100 sections which are chock full of tubby midwestern goodness. Kudos as well for allowing teams free reign over the middle as you did in week one Vs. Dallas and continue to do in week 10. I predicted the night prior to the opener that our biggest issue would be deep and medium middle because you don't press your CBs, your LBs don't sink well enough usually (save for one play in the Super Bowl) and you love to stunt your tall athletic DEs inside or play them at DT so there is no WAY they could affect the wide open passing lanes that have existed since you got here.
Pressure? You don't need no stinking pressure, just send a 265 slow footed LB on a..delayed blitz on Osi's inside shoulder, that should work because the two guys who had to block #72 are really bored as he runs himself outside of the play by ignoring essentially 3 gaps at once. A gap blitz with a fast LB because double teams are aimed at JPP? Noooo JPP is inside or at LB or ..where is he?? that's a fun game. Using the talent you have at DE to open up the inside to LB, S, CB blitzes would be silly, you just keep looping them around like very slow flies swarming a carcass they may or may not want to eat. Most coaches would have watched tape, adjusted or gone back to the basics of the Cover 2 that you learned but not you big guy. You just won't let anyone dampen your creative spirit, now matter how badly you fingerpaint a all over our defense.
In your defense, you don't have much to work with, only 4 All Pro players, and certainly no high draft picks, I mean Corey Webster was a 2nd round pick...what a LOSER, Phillips, Rolle and Amukamara are all #1s so trust me pal, I feel your pain. Your DL?? Big money on Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard, premium picks in Kiwi, Tuck, Osi, JPP, Linval Joseph but your hands are tied by that confounded Jerry Reese who just keeps stockpiling OL players but won't even look to the DL or secondary. He sure never got you any LBs, he didn't sign a high priced one, draft 3, trade for another and dust one off and buff him to a big white shine so he could rescue you in the Super Bowl. What are you supposed to do when you have no talent, and the front office does nothing to help your side of the ball at all. Stay strong Perry, you'll show those bastards.
signed,
bigblue56, goterps, gidiefor
Fewell is a head scratcher. I don't get this defense at times. The whole "Bend don't break but cause turnovers" mentality will end up burning you in the end.
But hey, "we won a super bowl last year".
But, I will say, when I saw JPP drop back into a standing position into a 3-4, I would shocked.
the wideopen touchdowns and easy third down coversions allowed are sickening, much is seeing JPP and Kiwi covering running backs and tight ends on a regular basis.
Yup. The defense a problem and one that needs to be addressed.
:::wipes chin::::
-kickerpa16
Last night the Bears moved Peppers inside on occasion to abuse the G. It worked for them.
Fewell has taken what should be the most dominant DL in all of football and reduced them to nothing. They are not even performing like a top 10 or top 15 DL. They are getting no consistent pressure and routinely get blown off the ball against the run. Worst of all, they display no discipline. You can't count how many times a game their DEs (all of them, not just Osi) crash hard inside, giving up the edge.
They have gotten some very good individual performances in games by the likes of JPP, Canty, Joseph, Bernard, and Tuck. But, they were all isolated performances and never in the same game. As a unit, they have been dreadful
I think the ability of Brown to find the ball has only enhanced Fewell's desire to "bend but don't break". It is a mistake. First of all, they have not drafted CBs who are adept at the type of zone he runs. They are, however, all good at press coverage and can be physical. Yet, we still play them off the ball and continue to have them backpedaling while WRs run right past them. We also continue to play a cover 2 where the middle of the field is wide open.
Fewell has made no adjustments. Joey is spot on by complaining about Fewell's love for stunts. That seems to be his only creative measure to get a rush. It has worked in isolated plays. But, it is also becoming predictable and ineffective overall. Likewise, his poor and infrequent use of the blitz means it is all on the front 4 anyway. G-d forbid he change anything up, force them to remain in lanes, etc.
we win despite of his defensive schemes, and only went to the super bowl because he changed his defense to what the players wanted to do - attack
and now its back to the same old crap
God forbid you outline all the talent we have on offense and say we win in spite of Gilbride. Your BBI IQ will suddenly drop. Weird people will be lurking around your house.
I really hoped and counted on Gilbride getting this offense running at full speed vs. Cincy after listening to all his interviews. I realize the players f'ed up 4 times but in the end, the offense is not doing well the last 4 games.
It's hard not to be rusty when you can't do any real practicing while on the PUP. Hopefully Canty benefits from a few days off (along with about 37 other guys).
As for Fewell, with KP coming back perhaps he'll get into some 3 safety sets like everyone has been saying, and do some DB blitzing with Rolle, Hill, or even Hosley in a nickel situation.
What we are seeing now is the same thing we've seen repeatedly from the Giants defense in Coughlin's tenure here - outside of our brief glorious run with Steve Spagnuolo. Tim Lewis, Bill Sheridan, and now Perry Fewell. Same underachieving results with the same characteristics even as new players arrive.
Why?
the defense will also look better once the offense snaps out of its funk and starts moving chains and getting first downs again, improving rest time and/or field position for the defense.
he's so much better than osi at defensive end, it's almost like diehl vs. locklear at this point.
Joseph is good but it has yet to be shown he can be a pass rush threat.
Kuhn - 6th rounder and we were willing to let Bernard go and Austin.
The LBs - well if Rivers could stay healthy - they may get too see what he can do. They cut Blackburn last year and apparently don't have faith in anyone else enough to sit him and bring in another defensive QB.
Fewell didn't blow the coverage and the youngsters covered fairly well yesterday - you cannot give them a short field for most of the game and expect miracles.
This game was on the O, for the most part.
i would like to see kiwi and jpp at defensive end for a game, shake things up
but as bbi poster joey in va pointed out above this is only 1 small aspect of the problem here
You guys are all bent out of shape because of the opening drive. Luckily for the Bengals, that's all they got on offense. The rest was repeated gifts from special teams and our offense. The defense, obviously, wasn't responsible for the punt return, and shouldn't be faulted for the 2 time SB MVP deciding to heave up two ducks in his own end of the field like a 6th round draft pick making his first start.
You guys are also expecting the defensive line to play like the 60's era Fearsome Foursome. Different era. The rules are set up to minimize sacks. Dalton has been sacked 22 times this year. Half of those came in two games. Our defense will have some games with 4 or 5 and others with zero or one. There is going to be more of the latter than the former. Get over it; that's the way the game is.
You also aren't going to get any sacks if the qb is unwilling to do anything other than throw short passes. The long throw to Green on the first drive aside, Dalton was averaging 7 yards a completion.
LOL.
But they've helped us win two superbowls I think, so now I'm confused.
Anyway, I dont blame the defense for yesterday's massacre. I primarily blame the coaches for not putting our best, healthiest players on the field on Sundays, which I think has sent a disturbing message to the team as a whole.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a defense that could keep us in a game that the offense wasnt playing well in?
les - as ive explained over and over, fewell changed the defense after the second washington loss to a more aggressive scheme the players wanted
homer - cincy had three possessions starting around the giants 10-15yd line, and scored TDs all three times...how bout holding them to a FG at least once? and how about the 15 play drive for a FG?
the giants are giving up almost 50% on 3rd down conversions in the last four games
is that acceptable, too?