Homeland: Spoliers

why not call Dexter?

Nazir specifically credits Brody with saving his life in Beirut. Why would he think that if someone else sent the e-mail that got him to take cover?

But I have a feeling Saul is involved in some way.

tried to eliminate someone who may know (but be unaware of) of some skeliton that he has in his closet. Just a thought. Estes did put halt to it when Nazir wasn't in the SUV.

There could be other reason's for betraying a trust. It could go all sorts of ways.

As I've only recently watched all the episodes of this show, but I'm convinced Saul is working with the bad guys. He failed the initial polygraph, and if you go back to the second episode, he talks about about (when referencing a painting) the beauty of it being a Jew among enemies, or something to that effect.

see Saul working on the other side. He's been the one that has backed Carrie 100%, and is the one who has a hard on right now for finding out about Quinn's background.

I'm very interested to see exactly what Quinn's role is in all of this, especially after hearing that the guy on the bus was some Black Ops commander on a never talked about mission in Nairobi. This operation could be coming from higher up.

Any information protects Nazir. Mike great recall on that with Saul. I'm with you. It's going to be a shocker in this seasons finale.

Think about the instances that Saul has helped Carrie. He helped her get close to (who she thought was) Walker who blew her up, he's investigating Quinn now, who turned out to be someone who was about to kill one of Nazir's top men (Brody).

I think he cares about Carrie and I don't think his agenda is fundamentalist Islam.. I have no idea what his agenda is actually, but there's just something off.

The judge walks in and sees Saul staring at the painting.

Judge: Whatta you think?

Saul: Definitely an original. One of the preeminent Dutch painters of his time.

Judge: Relatively recent acquisition if I'm not mistaken.

Saul: By an artist, who as it turns out, was not only Dutch, but Jewish.

Judge: In a club with no Jewish members. And that was your point, wasn't it.

from and it's definitely intriguing. I guess I just don't want to see Saul turned, since he's been my favorite character.

I think Quinn was going to take Brody out if they had Nazir, which would completely terminate the cell here in the States. With the capture of Roya, they would have eliminated everyone involved.

For some reason Estes is a character I could see operating on another end. I don't know why.

or mole in some capacity is just a symptom of having watched 24. This show don't work that way. We won't see Saul revealed as a mole and then suddenly begin to act appropriately sinister in all of his scenes in which he's by himself.

If he were, the entire Beirut episode would have been totally different. We saw Saul looking shocked when he sees the video of Brody, we see him having to sneak it past the Lebanese authorities, and why? Wouldn't he just destroy the flash drive if he were working for Nazir?

I think it's become pretty clear that there is no mole in CIA. If there were, how would Brody still be alive in his double agent role? Wouldn't the mole have exposed him to Nazir?

What's interesting to me is the machinations behind Estes and Quinn.

to agree with the above 2 posters. I really don't see the mole being in the CIA.

If anything, the person/people that can find out about Brody's double role are Mike and the alcoholic old army buddy that has had suspicisions about Brody in every episode he's been in. Hell, he blew the lid off of Mike and Brody's wife being together.

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1. Someone tipped off Aileen and her hubby - the professor was being followed home by Carrie and Galvez, and Aileen receives a call letting her know something was up, at which point she hangs a flag out of the window and the professor knows to keep driving to not let them know where he lives.

2. Someone warned Tom Walker that the CIA had turned the Saudi Ambassador - that's why Walker gave the briefcase bomb to a homeless man to hand to the ambassador instead of showing up himself. Saul talks to Carrie about that.

a few other things, like how did Roya get the code to Estes' safe?

too much happened not to have someone on the inside.

arguments to be made from both sides.

Well now, what does Nazir have in regards to the movements/whereabouts of the government members?

He lost Roya in this raid, and he now knows that Brody is not working for him.

I guess this only leaves the possibility of a mole if Nazir is to go after Brody since he lost most of his points of communication.

that BBB goes into I believe there has to be someone or something that is behaving like a mole from the original Brody Task Force. I think Saul is not a candidate because of what happened in Beirut and subsequent exposure of Brody. Galvez was seriously wounded in Gettysburg and was able to kill one of the assailants. I believe Estes is left but other than possibly using Quinn to off Brody who may or may not hold some information on Estes or the Vice President (or just an embarrassment) I have a hard time believing that there is a reason that he would have for turning (full contact office politics?; protect policies that he never could get cleared?).

Estes is a bit looser about security than he should be. The show already established that he has a rather, um, familiar relationship with Roya. I'm guessing that was the source of leaks. It would explain something that always bugged me - if Nazir could get the codes to Estes' safe, why the hell does he need Brody to sneak in there and rifle through it?

Are you saying Nazir should have walked into the CIA and rifled through Estes' safe?

Brody was the only realistic person to be able to, since Roya would be able to pull Estes out of the office for an extended period of time with that interview.

If there was a mole within CIA who somehow could get ahold of the combination to the safe, then why do they need Brody to rummage through the safe to determine intel?

On the other hand, if they have more passive means of gathering intel (such as Roya banging Estes) and do not have a spy within Langley, then the codes are useless to them without someone to go in and find out what's in the safe.

mole in the CIA, should also be able to provide Nazir with Brody's family now for collateral.

I really don't know where this goes now.

Nazir has lost his munitions guy, his contact in the CIA in Roya, and Brody.

I guess this next episode will really get into Quinn's background, and whoever this Davidol character that Quinn met up with. It sounded like he did some dirty shit in the past in Black Ops.

I really also want to find out what that rifle cleaning kit was for in Quinn's apartment (sniper rifle), and how it seemed as if he was ready to up and leave at any second.

And he's to do it as quietly as possible, as Estes knows that Carrie will not take assassinating Brody quietly. I imagine he's to make it appear that Nazir got Brody.

Now, as to why Estes is going to have Brody killed, your guess is as good as mine.

The "E" has been turned. Estes...

that his betrayal cannot go unpunished.

Brody's response ought to be something like:

Well, Mr.Nadal, you kept me in a hell-hole and tortured me for 4 years, and then brought me out and brainwashed me for three more years. Am I supposed to be grateful? This isn't about betrayal. You made a gamble that the brainwashing was permanent. You lost.

That's a whole new twist! :)

Homeland is the most intense show on TV....and I consider Mandy Patinkin one of the best TV actors of the last 20 years or so ....feom Chicago Hope to Criminal Minds to Homeland....always an intense, believable portrayal of his character......that said I really hope Saul isn't on the wrong side.

I agree, Mandy is a great actor and I wish I could follow his behavior. Very cool and calm, quiet, that's how I'd like to act.

So glad I started homeland, easily better than Dexter.

Those terrorists all look alike. Especially the successful suicide bombers.

as a test of Brody's loyalty. It was his first "assignment" this season so I think they needed to test him to make sure he was loyal.

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...is probably the best thing Brody can hope for after this whole mess is done with. Frankly, it's probably better than he deserves.

Nobody at the CIA or in the VP's office is going to risk letting him go free.

an extremely limited number of people who know he's actually a terrorist. I believe it's only Estes/Carrie/Saul/Quinn and the others in that ops team the CIA has.

If Nazir was caught in the raid yesterday, Brody was done.

On a side note. I love that dude that works with Virgil. Just massive balls following Quinn and snapping that picture right alongside the bus. I don't think he's said more then 10 words the entire series so far.

Although I question whether people suspiciously looking out of a bus window truly wouldn't notice the driver of an alongside van turning around to snap some pictures.


I guess I'd kind of hoped that Brody had somehow redeemed himself and could end up as a park ranger in Alaska or something, quietly living out his days. Talk about a character whose show does nothing but torture him in every way possible.

-- Agree w/ Santa's comment that moles are for 24. I loved Jack but that show was a comic book come to life.

--I cant see Saul as a traitor BUT they spent a lot of time on that sub plot about his wife last yr and I just wonder if that will re- surface somewhere.

really thinking that the alcoholic army buddy isn't going to go away either.

He was the first "outsider" to really suspect Brody as being changed, and possibly a terrorist.

in the ointment as concerns Estes as the traitor and/or blabber mouth is why didn't Roya get her head accidentally blown off during the take down. Does she have a bar of soap with her name on it in her near future? Once Estes knew Roya was involved with the Terrorists, unless he was complicit, he would have had a cow

-- Agree w/ Santa's comment that moles are for 24. I loved Jack but that show was a comic book come to life.

--I cant see Saul as a traitor BUT they spent a lot of time on that sub plot about his wife last yr and I just wonder if that will re- surface somewhere.

and maybe I missed something- but didn't they have Roya and Estes agreeing to go to dinner together at one point? Did we ever revisit that? Why toss that throwaway line out there?

when was the first time within the show that Estes was informed that Roya was a spy and how did he react? I believe that was before the Gettysburg incident when several agents were attacked, wasn't it?

I don't buy that his play dead act was what saved his ass back in Gettysburg. He didn't die for a reason. I highly doubt that the shooters would have missed killing everyone. Cmon....

SAD boy navigating between explicit and implicit orders trying to get his job done and find his mission.

or did they not mention anything about Galvez?

As far as we know, he's still hanging on in the hospital

Is the only unassailable character thus far

Also, BBB, that backwards "E" thing blew my mind