Mike Shanahan lied when he said RG3 was cleared to return...

just like the Eagles doctors seem to be to so many players.

up. He's a guy with legitimate weight in the sports world. **** Mike Shanahan. Good luck jerkoff.

Are they still telling Steve Smith he's good to go?

what's the problem?

- Mike Shanahan

fuck Shanahan. I hope Andrews doesn't back down.

Okay, well can he go out there and act like he can see?

an entire conversation and announced that the decision was that of the Dr. Andrews himself? Wow...just wow.

chimes in; if a Giants playoff berth were at stake and a doctor said don't put Eli in because he's not healthy enough to play and it's injurious to him and TC disregarded that recommendation, I would be furious with TC. Football's a game. This a person's health.

How we react to this situation is one of life's IQ tests.

Quote:

“He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do..."

what else is there?

Terrible.

That's regarding this week, leading up to today's game, not the game vs. Baltimore.

Unfortunately, in football, for coaches, it's win now. I think RG3 is a dynamic player. I hope that Shanahan doesn't get him killed with some of his decisions.

Several coaches have made, IMO, scummy decisions this year (Schiano, Shanahan, etc.).

that quote is talking about tests they administered this week, NOT during the Ravens game. And passing the tests doesn't mean there's no structural damage that could worsen his knee and threaten his career.

Fuck Shanahan.

functional tests is post-factum reasoning. The point is even if Bob passed the required tests during the following week, in game, Shanahan blatantly disregarded team doctors.

I get Shanahan lied and that's messed up, but what is Andrews still worried about.

Read his quote, says he's a nervous wreck.

blatantly disregarded anyone. From what Andrews said, RG3 never let anyone even look at him and re-entered the game.

So saying Shanahan disregarded doctors sounds like a stretch.

But according to what Andrews says, Shanahan definitely made up a conversation that never happened.

If he thinks that despite test results, that there's serious risk in playing RG, then I trust his judgment. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong and that Shanahan is wrong in playing him. That's an expected-value calculation that differs among different people.

It's Shanahan's in-game behavior that's the cause for concern.

someone lied, mislead, what is this world coming to?

a classic!

That the knee is still an issue

to do what HE thinks is best for his players and the team. Keep on-a rockin', Skins.

the player is always going to go back in the game. It's up to the coach whether to tell the kid to step the **** down and go to the docs.

And blatantly lying about having a discussion with your team doctors in an obvious attempt at CYA is a terrible thing regardless.

people lie and misbehave. If you think that our reaction to these sorts of things is simply to say that's how the world is, carry on, then that's your prerogative. I think that's a pretty reprehensible and lazy way of living your life. But in this case when lying and misbehaving involves someone with power and responsibility over another person's livelihood, then yes, I think there's a reason to get pissed off.

read the whole quote. He is still recovering. Just because someone passed the tests doesn't mean they still shouldn't rest up to be 100% certain or at least close to 100% as possible. This guy has a reputation as being the best doctor/surgeon in sports. If a marquee player like RGIII got hurt because he came back to early that will have a negative effect on his reputation let alone knowing he let a human being get injured.

Mike Shanahan, Medicine Man.

in particular, is that it's clear that RG3 couldn't walk or run on it, he was hopping down the field on one leg and finally ultimately had to fall down and call to the sideline to be taken out, several plays after the injury.

Despite clearly being hurt and unable to walk, Shanahan left him in there until he couldn't stand anymore.

a knee is different than a concussion or some injury that impacts player judgment IMO.

Shanahan is 100% wrong and a jackass for making up a conversation, that's inexcusable, but he didn't disregard a doctors recommendation. Sounds like that is an embellishment.

And whether its the head coaches responsibility to stop a player with a knee injury from entering the game is questionable to me too. there are coordinators and position coaches that should share in that along with team doctors.

If Shanahan sought out RG3 and said get in the game that would be different.

this is bad to be sure, but some of you are making it into something worse IMO.

"Did I say he was with Dr. Andrews? I meant Erin Andrews. She said Robert was good to go. Frankly I didn't really give a crap what she thought, but I never pass up a chance to check out that rack closeup."

of someone untrustworthy

like that? Just think about why he would do that for a second.

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I'm sure a lot of teams would like to have Dr. Andrews on their sideline. Snyder must have been the highest bidder since it's not like Dr. Andrews practices in the DC area. So why pay top dollar for a physician and fly him in from Alabama every week just to not listen to his expert advice?

RG3 got hurt, came out let know one examine him, played a few snaps and then came out of the game for good.

What is Shanahan's lie accomplishing?

I don't know and who is Klemko? Sounds like this story is about a conversation being related second hand.

Quote:

“He’s on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews,” Shanahan said at the time, via Klemko. “He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in. [I said] ‘Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?’

Nothing surprises me with Shanahan..Nothing.

I know sometimes fans get impatient with TC's caution..The Giants err on the side of caution. That's a good thing. Real good

and it still boils down to being reprehensible or completely stupid.

Morally, I've outlined how if you have responsibility for a player's career, regardless of the team, you have an overarching responsibility to a player's physical well-being and that ultimately your team's doctors are the people you should defer to when it comes to that evaluation.

Practically, even if RG hasn't gotten injured since then, I would be wary of trusting a coach (however brilliantly he designs a running game) who does not have enough prudence to think that the most important asset on your team - the guy you risked several 1st rounders for and whose health and success could guarantee 10+ years of contention - needs to be handled cautiously and that the right decision is to play it safe, making the playoffs in his ROOKIE YEAR be damned.

like Hakeem Nicks returning too soon?

I wonder what Andrews would have said about Hakeem's knee.

I get the need to play devil's advocate, but the facts are Shanahan put RG3's welfare at risk and then lied about it to cover his own ass.

Those are the facts. Even if RG3 didn't let anybody examine him, Shanahan put him back in. And to go even one step further, let's say RG3 came to the sideline, didn't let anybody else examine him, and then put himself back in. Shanahan still left him in there until he couldn't walk.

There is zero way you're going to convince me, or likely anybody else, that what Shanahan did wasn't completely a scumbag move.

with shutting down or letting Nicks on the field. Until I have that information, I can't give you an informed judgment.

That said, from what I read from TC, he thought letting Nicks on the field was the wrong decision on prudential grounds, i.e. the team would've benefited from a completely healthy Nicks several weeks down the road rather than with a hobbled Nicks. Whether TC made a decision that the doctors disagreed with and thus recklessly endangered his player's health is a question we can't answer without more information.

Geez, there's always one dude, isn't there?

came off the field for 1 play, walked up and down the sideline and said he's going back in. There was no time for anyone to make these grandiose decisions everyone is talking about.

definitely making the rest of the group smarter (/sarcasm).

that TC would never lie and fabricate a discussion with a team doctor to justify putting a player back in a game when he shouldn't be. Call me crazy though....

Al Wilson amongst several Shanny maneuvers, for example..

Hakeem played how many weeks in a row on his bum knee? Seems obvious it wasn't an injury that was going to get worse or to a point that it hurts Hakeem's future. The real question about Hakeem was weather or not he was healthy enough to be effective, not if his knee would hold up.

advocate, I'm just not ready to feel your outrage over this.

I'm pretty sure on most non-Giants boards the conversation (if made up as it seems to be) is the most damaging thing here.

Never does Andrews come out and say RG3 should not be playing. At least not in what you quoted in your OP.

And if yeah there always needs to be one guy is one guy who is not simply blinded by hatred of an opponent, I'm happy to fill that role for you blatant homers.

making up the conversation, if true, really has no bearing on what actually happened. No one had any chance to examine him in that 1 play.

The fact that Shanahan said Andrews looked at him in that time doesn't change the fact that Griffin was putting himself back in before anyone could look at him. Nothing changed from Shanahan making up a conversation after the fact.

we're definitely on the same page. I think Shanahan's a scumbag and if I'm in charge of Shanahan and I make the cost-benefit decision between keeping a guy like Shanahan who might play fast and loose with the very asset that could be the difference between being a 5-7 win team each year and a 9-11 win team, I think very hard and long about how much power I give him and how much I trust him.

The entire move was irresponsible, reprehensible and imprudent. I have no tolerance for people who neglect their responsibilities and make stupid decisions.

yet nobody questioned Parcells when Taylor played that game vs the Saints with his shoulder and arm hanging off of him? Oh no, in that situation Taylor is a hero.

Hostetler getting his knee hit, then sitting out for one play and coming back in?

There are probably about 50 other recent Giants examples that we do not even know about.

is another dude who I guess just doesn't get it either. they're the redskins and don't care about players, only the Giants do because they're a classy organization.