Giants Cap number (From John Clayton on ESPN)

nice handle btw.

Question to BBI: what happened to that guy on here who was a salary cap maven?

And were back to even

Diehl

ttb? He's probably Gordon Gecko by now...

Don't know if his numbers are correct, but I don't think they would be very far off.

The Giants numbers are better than I thought they would be.

After a couple cuts and restructures we can have enough room to sign a RT and maybe a LB. plus Bennett, and co. Beatty Boothe. Maybe.

yeah, ttb - that's the guy.

That's not going to be cheap.

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Cap space never seem to go anywhere, regardless of who they sign.

With 20 plus free agents?

Right off the bat here are guys that are candidates for restructures or being released.

David Diehl $4.1m
Chris Snee $6.45m
Justin Tuck $4.5m
Chris Canty $6.25m
Ahmad Bradshaw $3.75m
David Baas $4.1m
Michael Boley $4.25m
Corey Webster $7.00m
Antrel Rolle $7.00m

That's nearly $48m of cap space tied up to 9 guys who for the most part had a poor 2012 due to a myriad of different reasons. There will be restructures, but I can also see us letting go of a handful of these players listed.

How the Eagles are always under the cap.

Guys like Webster and Boley will probably be asked to take a pay cut. If they don't they may be goners. Diehl may be yesterday's news. It would appear they shouldn't have too much trouble getting under the cap. Then again I'm not capologist so what the hell do I know.

Isn't this the year the Cap Floor goes into effect?

if I remember correctly, he'd cost as much to cut cap wise as he costs to keep.

NY Jets -$19.4M
Dallas -$18.2M
New Orleans -$14.7M
Carolina -$11.8M
Pittsburgh -$10.8M

Cincinnati $55.1M
Cleveland $48.9M
Indianapolis $46M
Miami $35.8M
Tampa Bay $31.3M
Jacksonville $22.1M
Buffalo $20.6M

Has been in effect since the salary cap was instituted.

I don't think so. The cap floor means teams have to spend 90% of the cap. The teams listed above cannot be that much under the cap and still be in compliance with the cap floor.

I think the cap floor takes affect either this year or next. Either way, the teams with a lot of space means they will overspend for free agents this year.

but it is based off of cash spent.
2013 - ( New Window )

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Under the new CBA, The cap for 2012 is $120.6M per team. Each team must average $119.2 M. That is a league-wide average not an individual team minimum. League-wide, teams must spend 99% of the cap in 2011 and 2012. In 2013 and beyond, they must spend 95% of the cap. In the event that player costs are less than this overall league minimum, then, on or before April 15 of the next League Year, the NFL shall pay an amount equal to such deficiency directly to the players. In terms of minimum salary for each team, the salary floor is 89% of the cap. However, that does not start until 2013. Hence, there is in essence no salary floor in 2011 or 2012. (Note this point, as there is plenty of misinformation about this running rampant in the press!)

Salary Cap Info - ( New Window )

i believe this is the number that they played at by the end of the year
with the team. there is no way they are they are over with 1/3 of the team FA

The biggest reason that the Giants are over for 2013 is probably Eli. The cap hit for his contract shoots way up for 2013. He took a bonus-for-salary restructure last year that pushed a lot of the impact forward to 2013 and 2014.

You can't be over the cap of the current year at any point so your explanation doesn't make sense.

I don't trust Clayton's numbers though.

expects the cap to really move up in 2014. I'd guess that would be eaten up simply by fatter contracts.

I still want my 80% Drafted Player Rule put in place.

It's always a closely guarded state secret with the Giants.

was league-wide, which meant overall as a league they needed to spend a certain percentage of the cap, 2013 is the first year it becomes team-based, meaning every team will be scrutinized against the floor. Not necessarily a good thing for the Giants who have always been there (both years LOL) since there are teams with a lot of space who HAVE to spend it.

has been a warrior for the Giants, a starting "left" tackle on two Super Bowl wining teams, and willing to play, without complaining, every position on the line with the exception of center.

He would be a valuable player to keep on the roster, but I agree he has to reduce his salary cap hit.

are so good with the cap now that it's nearly impossible to follow from the outside. Any static number like that doesn't provide an accurate picture of a teams situation. There are moves that teams know they can make or have planned to make that will substantially alter their cap status. And there are plenty of moves they can make going forward to acquire current or future cap space in order to accommodate offseason moves.

I'm not criticizing the thread - we might as well talk about something other than Robert Griffin - but there's not much point in paying attention to cap unless you really, really, want to immerse yourself in the minutiae.

and sign a bunch of guys to long-term contracts with large bonuses and small salaries, and the problem is solved.

i thought that with injured players going to IR that gave you relief to fill out the roster. You sign a veteran guy, there are minimums he has to make.

I dont know - the number seems off and it is Clayton

A lot of guys who were key to two Super Bowl wins are going to get let go.

never fails to amaze. The numbers cited above by David in LA are only this year's salary. The actual cap hit for those players including bonuses for this year is $18.833 Million higher bringing the total to $66M. Add in Eli's $21M and you have 10 players eating up 71% of your cap. on the other hand saying Canty, Rolle and Bass are likely to be cut or restructure is wishful thinking. They have multiple years left on their deals and therefore future signing bonuses that would be accelerated into this year if they are cut. This decreases the cap benefit and increases their leverage in restructure negotiations. (And I am using the term restructure to mean something that saves the team money rather than putting additional pressure on next year's cap.)

he probably represents a pretty big cap number that he will never see

it helps explain why JR hasn't handled Cruz by the BB mantra: "Pay the man!"

Has that already been added into the figures above?

I think it makes more sense to extend Eli then to keep bonusing him out or he will be a 30 million cap hit in two years or close to it. Last years restructure gets added into the remaining years of his contract. If you extend any new money over more years its a smaller cap hit each year.

Restructure Rolle and several others and we'll have some room to sign a top free agent or a couple middle tier guys.

down to 1.75M in Sept'12, thats why the 13.75M;cant do it again til Sept'13. Same timeframe w/Snee.
At best Diehl gets a 1M, slightly over vet min due to loyalty; Canty, Webster, Rolle(to a lesser degree) MAJOR restructures or gone.
I think the Giants are going to bite the bullet hard and 'move' guys with an injury history, even if it means losing some veteran's 'team presence' as a trade-off.
They have to start making room for potentially big Cruz, Nicks, JPP contracts over the next 2 season, AND, get younger and faster as well.
I've said it for a while, and inspite of what JR implied about some but little change(don't need to blow-up the team, I think was the statement)we will say goodbye to a lot of guys we like.
As far as the rest of the league, using Claytons numbers, Cincy will pay Andre Smith more than we can afford, just to hit cap, and Clev., Tampa, and Philly as well(just to hit the cap). I can see some of our guys getting way-overpaid and going to one of those places.Just hope its not Beatty or Boothe(unless we get an actual (and productive)day1 starter in the draft or a 'serviceable' replacement--but will still miss them.

please tell me is this a projected number based on the salaries in place for current (likely departing) free agents? Or is this the number with all of those guys off the books?

Only Webster can be cut - we have to get a CB anyway, and he will be better/cheaper than Webster @ 7m.

The others are over paid but still have value. Skillful negotiations may be required.

Philly is above that. Most of the others won't have to go too crazy.

of the good players are going to get overbid on by the teams with tons of cap room if the salary cap floor comes into place.

that's what I have been speculating about the Boothe/Beatty situation.....that is the side of the line we didn't have to worry about performance wise.....but they are looking for that big contract for their future....and if they go elsewhere, with the problems we have on the right side of the line, this could be OL Armageddon....

they figured it out.

maybe not a lot of teams, but the Colts have 46M, Jax 22M, Ten 19M, Hou 13M as examples (just from the AFC South) and that's before any cuts.

And my point wasn't to get to the floor, it was if they wanted to compete for FA's.

Bennett is the #1 UFA TE for example. The Giants may want to re-sign him, they probably do, but it's made more difficult now by so many teams both having to get to the floor and having all that room to the ceiling.

Someone is getting overpaid this year, and my sense is more than usual, potentially a lot more than usual.

I'm not sure how the Giants can be over the cap right now considering they don't have 51 guys signed to contracts yet and Osi is expected to void the final year of his contract.

I worked up a preliminary number (which I should add is fluid as some of the LTBEs that weren't earned should be getting credited back to this year's cap) and I had them at just a hair under the projected cap of $120.9M. But maybe I'm wrong, who knows?

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Just saying.

I bet they are including Osi salary for next year.

I don't know what they're including or not including. I broke down every contract -- did hours of research to dig up the numbers. I'm not saying my numbers are spot on, but I do feel good about them

Pat.