Do you consider Peyton Manning a playoff choker?

i think this is a dumb thread.

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not sure how many more excuses I can make for Peyton...he had a top defense backing him up this year, so....

It's a dumb question then.

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Did Peyton let Jacoby Jones get behind him?

I'm not neccessarily one of them, but I'm curious to other people's thoughts or reasoning on the subject.

Sorry if I'm wasting your precious time.

No need to get so defensive. Just giving my opinion.

To dry. Wtf kind of coverage was that with 30 fucking seconds to go?!

was dumb. Point taken.

Okay, see ya, then.

I think he was overly aggressive early in his career which hurt him when he was playing with poor defenses and trying to do too much.

He is 3-4 in the Wild Card round but his overall numbers are great.

He is 1-2 in the Conference Championship with two bad performances against the Patriots and a very effective one against the Jets. I think the two Pats losses were just as much Bellichick at his very best.

Denver may have had a great defense this season, but they were atrocious yesterday. One sack, 3 QB hits, and Champ Bailey was abused by Torrey Smith.Yesterday, he had the game won. He led a game-winning, 88-yard drive with about 5 minutes left. And then Fox got very conservative, and Rahim Morris made one of the worse defensive plays I've ever seen.

His interception was bad, but he was on the run, in frigid weather trying to make something happen. It was the first really bad throw of the game for him (out of 43 attempts).

I also think that Peyton's postseason numbers take a hit because he carried very bad teams to the playoffs that had no business being there or having byes, and the team as a whole got exposed by other playoff teams who were likely hot at the time.

I'm just saying...
you cant ask that question if you watched the game last night. cory webster even thought that was bad coverage with 30 seconds to go. peyton put them in a position to win

did nothing in the 2nd half that OT INT was an awful pass. Yes I do not trust Peyton in the playoffs his track record is awful.

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is that there are several ongoing threads with a decent contingent of posters that think Peyton is just that, a choker in the playoffs.

What you're also missing by not reading said threads, is that I personally thought Peyton did enough to win last night.

and his arm looked suspect...

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if a professional kicker doesn't kick the ground 1st that alone would have been the difference.
also Peyton's 1st pick was pass interference, not called.
that was a horribly ref'd game to boot

He's held to such a high standard because of his other numbers, that unless he has 3 Super Bowl victories by now his "failures" stand out more.

Don't forget his INT against the Saints late in the Super Bowl...


Peyton Playoff Gamelog - ( New Window )

in bad situations in the post season at a greater rate than the regular season over the course of his career..

having the top ranked defense this year have to do with anything? That top ranked defense embarrassed itself yesterday.

...his best, but he also played with a lot of defenses that weren't geared for the do-or-die physicality of late season football, and he did have a lot of underachievers around him.

You want to see unimpressive playoff football? Look at Marvin Harrison. 16 post season games and a total of 2 TD's - both in the same game which was also his only with >100 yards.

between both his win percentage in the regular season and win percentage in the playoffs.

There is also a decent dispartity between his regular season numbers and his playoff numbers.

So I do understand why people would think that. Again, I'm not saying that's my point of view, but I understand why you could make the argument that he does.

He was in the league a long time before winning his championship, 8 years, and that was the knock on him during that time, that he couldn't win the big one.

If you have a big elimination game to win and you can pick any quarterback from history to start...I would rank Peyton way behind where he will ultimately be ranked as an all time great.

But I don't know if I'd call him a playoff choker, per se. I think it's fair to say his playoff performances do not typically measure up to his regular season performances, but maybe saying he is an 'average playoff QB' is what I'd call him. I don't have the exact matchups in front of me, but how many of his playoff losses have been to NE, which was essentially the closest thing we will see to an NFL dynasty these days.

To me, calling him a choker is a bit harsh, but he definitely leaves something to be desired with the majority of his playoff performances.

That would be part of my definition of a choker. A guy who can't deliver under pressure because the pressure gets to him and turns him into chicken shit. No way is that Peyton in my opinion.

3 TDs on the Ravens defense. He was a minute away from a win. His defense made plays that were so embarrassingly bad I would not be surprised if their DBs were implicated in a gambling scheme. It was a joke. And people want to blame Peyton? Ludicrous.

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What Chris said

9 degrees with a windchill of 0. I don't even know how either quarterback could throw the ball.

TD to INT Ratio

Peyton
Reg Sea 2.08
Playoffs 1.52 (20 games)

Eli
Reg 1.46
Playoffs 2.12 (11 games)

Brady
reg 2.71 (!)
playoffs 1.90 (22 games)

Brees
reg 1.96
playoffs 5.50 (!!!) (9 games)

Rodgers
reg 3.71 (!!)
play 3.60 (9 games)


Conclusions?

Maybe it was the cold, but he didn't have the arm yesterday. Yet he still had his team in a position where they absolutely should have won. He overcame his inability to throw deep and still led his team to what should have been the winning score. He was betrayed by his defense.

Quality of opponent may have something to do with it.

I don't care how bad the Denver defense was yesterday...that pick was straight out of Favre's highlight reel. Indefensible.

I don't subscribe to that theory. Likewise his 2006 SB win wasn't just strictly because of him. The Colts defense went on an amazing run that playoff run while Peyton was so so in games (Ravens game quickly come to mind). Go back to last season while you will find thread after thread of how great Eli was you forget what the Giants did to some explosive and efficient offenses in that playoff run. I wasn't that impress with Rodgers in 2010 in Chicago either.

QBs get too much blame for losses and often too much credit for wins. I guess it becomes too tedious to have to praise various members of a winning team.

Admitting its a TEAM game but...

Peyton - 9 wins 11 losses (1-1 in Super Bowl)

Eli - 8 wins 3 losses (2-0 Super Bowl)

Brady - 16 wins 6 losses (3-2 Super Bowl)
*Also started off 10-0 in first 10 playoff games

Brees - 5 wins 4 losses (1-0 Super Bowl)

Rodgers - 5 wins 3 losses (1-0 Super Bowl)
*miscounted previous post cause he must have taken one snap or something in 2007


Fun Fact - Eli and Brady have the same winning % in the playoffs as of right now.

and it goes without saying that we're talking about a comparison of Peyton with other all time great QBs, not any schlub that's ever had a bad game in the playoffs. He's obviously not a bad quarterback in any situation, but I stand by how I'd rank him as a playoff QB.

The case could be made that Peyton cannot be counted on to "step it up" during the playoffs. Being he has had some success including the Superbowl, "playoff choker" would not be accurate.

but that doesn't take away from the fact that at the end of the day Peyton still had a chance to go out there and finish it but couldn't.

backing him up, thus the bad playoff record and only one ring...this year, he has one and now it doesn't matter? damned if you do, damned if you don't.

shouldn't WC games be removed why should the regular season achievements and rewards be dismissed?

The Colts often earned playoff byes while the Giants with Eli only earned one in his career.

It's not exactly apples and oranges but it is certainly a factor.

By the way this goes for all sports. Can't stand comparing homerun stats in a playoffs. Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle and Reggie Jackson didn't even know what the hell a divisional series was when they played.

so perhaps a playoff bye should be counted as a win, or at least half a win? Interesting concept.

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it was also PaulBlakeTSU : 2:22 pm 9 degrees with a windchill of 0. I don't even know how either quarterback could throw the ball.

Eli was unimpressed with both.

in proportion to his regular season career. The guy is an immortal QB, and will probably win his 5th MVP. Turn the page to the playoffs and he has a below .500 record.

The committed 3 turnovers yesterday and had a chance to bring his team even in the SB and got picked 6 to seal the game.

That's shit I expect from Tony Romo, not an immortal QB like Peyton Manning. He was my favorite player before Eli came into the league, and I'd take him always in the regular season, but come playoff time, no thanks.

either remove WC wins or credit byes as automatic wins in comparisons.

for byes, then his main rival "Brady" looks that much more dominant in comparison.

The only ones comparing Peyton to Eli are Giants fans and maybe Eli at Thanksgiving dinner

I don't like that word.

But I will echo what I have seen here - I'd rather have Eli as my QB now than Peyton after watching yesterday, career accomplishments aside.

I was disappointed in Denver's pass rush also. There is no way to be great at D unless you are the Niners. And they gave up some points too.

I've always felt they should count for something. Peyton could've easily padded his numbers and win total in the Wild Card round. That said, he's wasted too many opportunities. If he played in NY he'd get killed for his inconsistency in January.

Does anyone think that a lot of the blame there should be on Stokely? I do. I've always thought that when a play breaks down, receivers are instructed to come back to the ball. Instead, Stokely broke away from the LOS and allowed the defender to get in between him and Peyton.

just to get byes and it also seem to be in the negative. The year the Colts have to play a WC game, they win it all.

appearances...

Granted I know they lost some of the other byes, but the above statement is still valid.